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i'll be back here tomorrow. "the cross connection" with my good friend tiffany cross begins right now. ♪♪ good morning. welcome to "the cross connection." i'm tiffany cross. we begin with the latest breaking nice of the russian invasion of ukraine stretching into its fourth week. four u.s. marines crashed while participating in a nato military exercise in norway. norway says the exercise is not related to the russian invasion and has been planned for months. on friday, russian missiles struck the city of lviv, which is only 40 miles from the polish border. the russian defense ministry
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said hypersonic missiles were launched for the first time in ukraine to destroy an underground depot. the desperate push of evacuees from the country continues. there's about 6.5 million internally displaced. the president volodymyr zelenskyy called for meaningful peace talks. otherwise, russia's losses will be
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>> reporter: city that we have been reporting from for the last several weeks. it is in the west of the country. it is the designation for anyone fleeing violence in the east. it's also a departure point for residents, for anyone evacuating to go onto poland, to hungary, to the rest of europe. we are in the middle of an air raid siren right now. we are not gotten the all clear. just so you understand, i want to have my photographer show you how many people are out. people are not in bomb shelters or bunkers. people are enjoying the winter sun, out taking a walk. even though last night we were woken up with booms, early this morning we had additional sirens, this comes after an attack yesterday on an airport
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depo several days ago. even still, this city is not hunkered down. we spoke with a woman named yulia. she fled from mariupol. a couple of days ago the first 35,000 people have now managed to get out. they are telling their stories and we met a couple of them. this is yulia. take a listen. >> it was awful. we were scared. we tried to escape and we were panicked. we were in panic, because they were bombing.
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their bombs were falling and they were fuelling from the airplane. one of these bombs fell on the houses connected with our house. it was 4:00 a.m. we were sleeping in one small room and we were woken up with the crash because our windows fell on to us. >> reporter: that is yulia describing the russian air force targeting civilian houses. the house next to theirs was targeted at 4:00 a.m. the front of their apartment was blown off on march 4th, completely destroyed on march 12th. they have spent the last few weeks in mariupol without food, water or electricity. up until now, we have been relying on vital a.p.
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journalists who have been in mariupol reporting. now we have firsthand accounts. we have people who have survived mariupol, who are making their way to the safety of lviv. for the moment it still feels relatively safe. >> it's quite a stark contrast what we're seeing in lviv. i want to bring in congressman rubin gallego. thank you for your service. happy to have you here. i want to get right into it because president biden spoke with president xi yesterday. president xi said both nations have a responsibility for ensuring peace. this didn't make anyone at the white house breathe a sigh of relief. this pivotal moment that could determine the trajectory of this
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bloody conflict, what is the consequence should china aid russia? >> first, let me give my condolences to the family of the marines who died in norway. i want to say god bless them. china has to make a decision. do they want to continue going forward in this modern economic world, or do they want to join russia? you can't have it either way. the history of russia and china extensive. they worked together during the korean war to reenforce north koreans. they worked together during the vietnam war. we shouldn't be surprised if there's some level of interaction. the question is, what are they going to do? i think there is a red line that gets crossed at some point if they start reenforcing russia with weapons, then we're going to have to look at economic sanctions. economic sanctions we would give
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to any other nation should also be going to china. china has to make a decision. do they want it to effect their economy for a very weak country that's not going to be of any aid to them or do they want to have a growing continue considering the needs of that country? >> thank you for that. i'm curious about chemical weapons as well. it feels like we're on the precipice of a lot of things that could move this whole conflict in a different direction. i want you to take a listen to ambassador linda thomas greenfield and her thoughts. >> we continue to believe it's possible that russia may be planning to use chemical or biological agents against the ukrainian people. we aren't going to dignify russia's disinformation or conspiracy theories but we will
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continue to sound the alarm. >> now, you know that white house national security advisor jake sullivan spoke to his counterpart in russia and warned against using his chemical weapons. you've been in combat and you're also a member of congress. what should the u.s. response be if russia engages chemical weapons? >> i think we have to look at what level of escalation. does that mean we can give ukraine more deadly weapons? does that mean we can now get involved and have a community of nations to do a no-fly zone if they use chemical weapons? these are conversations we need to have. i'm not saying we have to say that right now. i think ambiguity is an important tool when it comes to deterrence. it certainly means all bets are off the table and that russia is not going to be able to engage in that type of behavior.
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secondly, you know they're using the battle if they're using chemical weapons and biological weapons. the only reason you do that is because you're trying to make a statement. not because you're strong, because you're week. >> speaking of being weak, something i've personally been struck by, looking at russia's army, they have really struggled to take ukraine and it's no longer a foregone conclusion they will be successful in their attempt to take ukraine. you, having been in combat yourself, i'm curious your thoughts what this says about russia. it kind of shows russia is not a super power. do you agree with that assessment? and just your thoughts on how they've played this whole situation and how they look now. >> well, russia is a super power because it has an amazing amount of chemical and biological and
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nuclear weapon stocks. their infantry skills have really never been that well regarded. they've won wars because they've just thrown bodies at the problem. now, the biggest difference is in the past they could just bomb and use tanks to roll over their enemies. with what happened with ukraine in the last seven years, the americans have been training them to really fight russians, using javelins and all types of different anti-tank weapons has really levelled the playing field, as well as the addition of drones. russia in some regards will still be a super power, but when it comes to an equal force that's well trained, they're going to be able to hold them back. the thing i've seen, the fact
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that when i see videos of russians being attacked and they scatter, they don't know how to organize, there's no leadership. that's what tells me they're in trouble. when they get into the real urban combat fighting, there are going to be heavy losses. >> that's one of the reasons i imagine they're bringing in a lot of mercenaries to aid in this fighting. i want to play this emotionally compelling speech that president zelenskyy gave before congress this week. we'll play a clip and talk about it after. >> translator: remember, pearl harbor, terrible morning of december when your sky was black from the planes attacking you. remember september 11th, a terrible day in 2001.
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i have a dream. these words are known to each of you today. i can say i have a need. i need to protect our sky. >> he needs to protect their sky. it was so compelling watching this speech, congressman. i'm just curious after hearing that speech and seeing what's happening today, how do you predict this all ends? >> i think this all ends very quietly about two to three months from now with russia saying they won. providing kyiv is not conquered by the russians. there's not enough man power in all of russia to conquer all of ukraine. also in the meantime, what we need to be doing is arming the ukraine to its teeth. if we're not going to provide a
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no-fly zone, we should give them the capability for them to create their own no-fly zone through surface to air missiles and other types of weaponry as well as anti-ship weaponry to keep the russians from invading the black sea into odesa. >> congressman, we're out of time. unless you would like to make an announcement about your potential senate run. >> good morning and nice try. >> i love having you on the show. thank you so much. coming up, could russia be planning to unleash more horror with the chemical attack on ukraine. with the chemical attack on ukraine. er. (man 2) yeah, but we need to go higher. (man 1) higher. (man 2) definitely higher. (man 1) we're like yodeling high. [yodeling] yo-de-le-he... (man 2) hey, no. uh-uh, don't do that.
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as we talked about last segment, u.s. officials say russia may be plotting a false flag operation in which they would deploy chemical or biological weapons and blame ukraine for doing so. russia claims to have complied with international treaties calling for the elimination of these weapons, but the specter of chemical weapons has been hovering over this conflict to a start and would bring this whole thing to a new level. andy weber is a senior fellow for the council on strategic
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risk. thank you, sir. this is quite a heavy topic. i'm curious your thoughts initially. how could russia use chemical weapons in a false flag operation? we've seen spikes in folks buying iodine pills, just nervous something like this could eventually reach domestic soil. your thoughts? >> it's pretty grim. i think russia is more likely to use chemical or biological weapons than nuclear weapons. clearly we have good intelligence that they're planning to use chemical or biological weapons. that has been revealed publicly to put them on notice and try to deter them and also privately to our national security advisor to the russian national security advisor. they could use them in many ways. they could use them for assassinations against military and political leadership. they could use it to clear
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buildings. they could use it on military battlefields. they could use it to go after bomb shelters because chemical agents can penetrate into builds. it is a hideous form of warfare. it's banned by international conventions. should russia cross that line, it would be absolutely barbaric and horrific. >> i think a lot of people don't really understand how devastating biological and chemical warfare are. this is from one of putin's former opponents, navalny, who but putin targeted. he was also a victim of some of this biological warfare. take a listen. >> there's no agent inside my blood and body -- [indiscernible] that's how now we know i was
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poisoned. again, it's just pure speculation, because no one knows what happened exactly. but i think when i was maybe put some clothes with this poison on me and i touch it with my hands and i sip from the bottle. so this nerve agent was not inside of the bottle, but on the bottle. putin has a developing new program of these chemical weapons, which is forbidden. >> the russians said they destroyed all these chemical weapons. >> that's why they deny everything, because it means they still have this novichok. they continue to improve it. >> i think it's really striking. i remember watching that interview and hearing alexei
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navalny and how it impacted his body. where do these chemical weapons come from and how are countries able to get their hands on them when they have been outlawed? >> the ones used against navalny and in england were developed in secret russian laboratories. their use in peacetime in those two attempts is the smoking gun that they are violating and stockpiling chemical weapons. >> this is interesting because the united states is very much against chemical weapons. yet, police use tear gas right here in america, which is considered a chemical weapon. is this a bit hypocritical?
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really nobody should use these perhaps. i'm curious your thoughts. >> there is a loophole in the chemical weapons convention that allows the use of so-called riot control agents. it's not illegal. however, if it's used in warfare, for example, if russia were to use any kind of question including common chlorine gas against ukraine, it would be a flagrant violation of the chemical weapons convention. >> you're the expert. i thought the chemical weapons convention outlawed the use of riot control agents. not in law enforcement, perhaps. got it. >> correct. >> we'll have to continue this conversation another time. thank you so much for being here on the show. i'm very nervous about all the chemical weapons that could potentially come. we'll definitely have to have you back. >> thank you. back from capitol hill
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on monday history will be made when confirmation hearings begin for ketanji brown jackson, the first black woman ever nominated to the supreme court. it's going to be hard for the committee's republicans, all but one of whom are white men to come after a woman with not one, but two harvard degrees with
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honors who clerked for justice stephen breyer and who already served on the federal bench for years. even tucker carlson recently said there was no question she was qualified for the job. however, this was right before he was being blatantly stupid, sexist and racist. >> so it might be time for joe biden to let us know what ketanji brown jackson's lsat score was. why wouldn't you tell us that? that would settle the question conclusively as to whether she's a once in a generation legal talent. it would seem like americans in a democracy have a right to know that and much more before giving her a lifetime appointment, but he didn't hear that. >> joining me now is justice correspondent for the nation and author of the "new york times" best seller "allow me to retort," a black guy's guide to
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the constitution. one of the best books out there. you are number two on the "new york times," my friend. you know bill barr is number one so i have a personal interest in seeing you knock that guy off the top. i'm curious, what do you anticipate to come out of these hearings? you know they're going to be vying for a viral moment on the republican side. what would you say is the biggest challenge to judge jackson's confirmation? >> the biggest challenge is her not getting up out of her chair and punching one of these fools in the mouth. all they have for her right now is racism and disgusting innuendo. they don't have anything on her record. she's been on the federal bench for nine years. she's issued hundreds of cases and you do not hear substantive legal arguments about her decision making process. all they have is the racism
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about the lsat scores. some are going to call her an affirmative action nominee. some are going to ask her why she's not sad that white people weren't considered. then you have the josh hawley ridiculousness. the challenge is just if she keeps her cool, which i'm sure she will do. we're talking about a high school debate champion. she should do fine because she's so eminently qualified and impeccably credentialed that they don't really have anything on her. >> you know, you brought up josh hawley, who according to the senate judiciary committee, he's going to focus on her pattern of letting child porn offenders off the hook for their crimes. i mean, this is a guy who serves in the same party as jim jordon and matt gaetz.
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should we start this list of things? it's ridiculous. politico is reporting that basically these guys have nothing. the republicans on the senate judiciary committee have nothing, so their tactic is going to be erasure. >> the thing would be to have a normal, above board hearing, let her be confirmed. she doesn't change the balance of power of the court anyway. and go back to crying about gas prices or talking about hunter biden's laptop or whatever thing counts as a republican platform these days. them going to the mattresses against her is kind of a waste of their time. i don't want to let the josh hawley thing lie. here's where i need the
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democrats to step up. because when they try to smear her, i need the democrats to get up there and defend her just as vociferously as lindsey graham defended alleged attempted rapist brett kavanaugh. i need that level of energy from the democrats, especially when they come at her with these trumped up alleged issues on her sentencing for sex offenders. what josh hawley is doing when he tries to do this is he's trying to get her killed. he is trying to get violence done against a supreme court nominee. we know this because when these people go off making their ridiculous claims about child pornography, we know some of their people show up violently to do stuff, as happened to the new hampshire pizza parlor. you know how i know that josh hawley knows what pizza gate is all about? guess who's the judge who
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sentenced the pizza gate guy? that was ketanji brown jackson. she sentenced the pizza gate guy to four years in prison. his lawyer asked for 18 months. the prosecutors asked for 4 1/2 years, so she was lenient to the pizza gate guy. but they're mad at her for that. that's where this stuff is coming from. you need to know where it's coming from and democrats need to know how to defend her from this stuff. >> first of all, yes, you're right. it's an important point you make too because the types of cases that will be coming before this court, she does not change the idealogical balance. donald trump appointed two lifetime appointments. there are plenty of cases that can come before this court that
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she'll be weighing in on and we don't know how the balance will help. what are some of the cases she could potentially hear while serving on this court? >> because the balance is not changing, republicans are going full on from their idealogical theocracy. that's the goal. this term we're going to see the effective end of roe v wade on a woman's right to choose. we're going to see republicans allow guns to be on subways so we can get back to the times of bernard gets. we have an environmental deregulation of the highest. we're going to have an end of affirmative action next term. these are the kinds of cases she's hearing. she's going to write some awesome dissents. she and sotomayor and kagan are
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going to write some awesome dissents. in the short-term it doesn't mean a lot. you have to remember the point of a good dissent. it is to set up a law of the future. she's going to be on the court for not two or three years, hopefully 30 years. >> black women are underrepresented on the supreme court. in courts everywhere when biden first took office only five of the nearly 300 sitting appellate judges were black women. please go buy elie's book. it's available now. thank you so much for being here. coming up, we got to talk about this. britney griner, her arrest in russia has been extended until may. u.s. officials are demanding access to her. what happens next? we're going to discuss that on the other side of the break. to n
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this is just a call for mercy, a call for justice. certainly this must also be said. this can't be about democrats. this can't be about republicans. it has to be about bringing americans home. that's why it's important the biden administration and the state department exhaust every avenue possible to bring britney griner home and all the americans who are being held in russia. >> americans across the country are rallying for the release of one of the world's best basketball players. that's wnba star britney griner. she's been in custody in russia since mid february on drug charges. now a russian court has extended her until may and her request to be released into house arrest was denied this week.
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activists are pointing out that griner would never have been in russia if the wnba just paid their players fairly. joining me now is the author of the forthcoming book "court queens" about the wnba. and tj quinn, an investigative reporter. the petition you started has over 65,000 signatures. so what's your reaction when you hear some people suggesting that the government and those close to britney want to keep this case under wraps. is this position helping or hurting? >> i think the petition absolutely is helping, because it was after the petition was launched that hillary clinton retweeted an article that discussed it. we've seen a little bit of motion because of that. i've spoken to some retired wnba players, all who have played overseas during their careers
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who basically said the silence is about not wanting to cause harm. we respect that, but multiple things can exist. people can express concern and issue calls to our elected officials to prioritize her case to get her home while also not wading into geopolitical matters that most of us are not qualified to speak on at any depth. that's why the petition is specifically geared towards pressuring elected officials to get her home rather than wading into other things. >> tj, i want to bring you into the conversation. my colleague andrea mitchell had ned price on who weighed in on this conflict. then i want your thoughts on the other side. >> we're deeply concerned about this case, in part because we have not yet been granted consular access. that is to say that embassy
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officials in moscow have not yet been able to visit britney griner. russia has an obligation under the vienna convention to allow consular access, to allow our officials to see her. we are going to continue to press for that and see that russia lives up to its international obligations. we're going to do everything we can to see that her rights are respected. >> there's this russian backed prison monitoring group who said they've spoken with griner with the help of a translator with the help of her cell mate who speaks russian and english. should we believe she's okay? what's the latest you've uncovered? >> i believe she's okay simply because that's what i've heard from her representatives, who say they're getting that information from her russian attorneys who get to see her several times a week. i wouldn't put a ton of stock in
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that russian state media reporting. people like britney griner, when they're in custody in russia, are used for propaganda purposes. they are not happy about the lack of access. what was interesting about the statement from the state department was the fact that they made one. they've been very deliberate about trying to keep this below the radar. they feel now the best strategy is to just try to keep this as something that is not a political matter, they can try to keep it in the criminal justice system. but the fact that they spoke at all means that to signal that they're ready to be a little more vocal, that they may be moving toward a strategy where they do want some full court public press on this. >> we're doing that just now.
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to your point about why she was even over there in the first place, the wnba commissioner came out march 5th, i believe, and disputed this belief that she's over there playing and wnba players cannot make any money and that top players can earn between $500,000 and $650,000. just your take on that, that the commissioner is pushing back against this, but the players themselves are saying yes, this is how we make money and how we survive. your thoughts? >> it's a couple of things. first of all, i do want to give the commissioner credit because she under the 2020 collective bargaining agreement made drastic changes that have improved the lives of these players. that's number one. some of the things she's rolled out just have not taken effect yet. the players are getting more money each year that the cba is in effect. but at the same time they're not there yet and players are still
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playing abroad because they want the money. i spoke with someone who plays in russia for a different team. i asked her what are the upsides to playing abroad? she said there is no upside. it's just for the money. there was a crisis with the wnba in which a star or starter on every team was out for the season or missed most of the season with injury because they are not resting their bodies. they're playing year round basketball. the three former players i spoke with on thursday all said we were there because we needed to make a living. we love basketball, of course. the passion is there but the reason for shipping out has been to get exponentially higher wages than they can command here. even though we're talking about the britney griner case, i think
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fans have been questioning the silence. in part it could be if we look too closely, we can see this is not a first time a u.s. basketball player has been potentially in a catastrophic situation while playing abroad. a team owner was killed in 2010. 2014 we had players with a narrow miss of a bombing of a subway station in russia. >> we're running out of time. tj, before we go, everything we know about the case itself is coming from russia. so has it even been confirmed that she was definitely trying to sneak these vape cartridges? could this have been some sort of ulterior motives here? have you uncovered anything like that in your reporting? it looks like we lost tj.
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all right, everybody, welcome back to "the cross connection." we begin this hour with of course the latest from ukraine. president biden will travel to brussels to attend a nato summit as russian forces ramp up their attack on ukraine. the national police of ukraine say that seven civilians have been killed and five wounded from shelling close to the capital city of kyiv. hyper sonic missiles were launched for the first time in ukraine to destroy an underground ammunitions depot. we have to say nbc news has not independently verified the claim. meanwhile, the humanitarian crisis is growing, 3 million have fled. 1.5 million of those refugees are children, babies. joining me from budapest, hungary, ali velshi, thank you so much for sticking around. i know you have been on air all morning. i'm curious, what have you heard
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from the refugees there on the ground? >> reporter: well, in fact, just about 20 minutes ago, and by the way, it's always my pleasure to stay and talk to you my friend. i spoke to somebody from unicef, and as you said, 1 1/2 million of the 3 million, roughly half. that's what we've seen. remember, the men of fighting age stayed behind in ukraine. often mothers come with their little children, and you know, think about this, they're unsettled. they don't know where they're going, and then there's the issue of child care, food, medication, supplies, and education. so we have been talking to a lot of people around here who are coming in with children. i would say, you know, most people are coming in with children. and how they're getting settled and what they're doing. here's some comments from a woman who we spoke to here in budapest. >> i have a small kid, i didn't want to make so much stress for him, and it's very stressful because you have no idea you will survive tonight or you will wake up in the morning or not. so we spend some time at night
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in the hall. we are prepared for everything, but my kid he was sleeping in his bed, and we didn't want to disturb him, but i understand that it's not safe, so we decided to move. yeah, and we choose hungary for now, and i have no idea what to do next. >> reporter: the other thing, i was talking, tiffany to red letter, we have been talking to him a couple of years about the pandemic. he's a specialist in crises. he was saying one thing, the smallest of children, as long as they're nurtured and have their toys, and with their mother, they can generally get through this. as you get a little bit older, as you get kids who are 7, 8 and 9, and into their early double digits, this can be very very difficult for them. it can be scarring for life and one of the greatest priorities is getting them into routine and
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schooling, and that doesn't happen in some places. these kids come here, they arrive at a train station like this. they get off a train like this, given food, put into a hostile, and they're just trying to survive. and for these mothers is my kid going back. a number of parents tell me, i want to get to warsaw, berlin, and get my kid into school. one of the problems, by the way, with hungary is that the language, hungarian language has no resemblance or overlap for ukrainians. for parents coming into the country with little children generally speaking only ukrainian, maybe some russian, virtually no english, it's impossible in a country like this to get the kids in school and get them some routine. even the people coming into budapest who think they're going to be out of the country for a while are going to other places where it's more likely they can get a language, their children can get instruction in language in a way they can learn. it's a very complicated matter
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when you think about refugees as children. >> you know, i didn't think about that with the people showing up there. it's not only the children's health and well being but education and language, that's such a huge issue. you know, ali, because you say you don't mind sticking around, i'm going to take a moment of personal privilege and talk with you a little bit more about this. as we see these refugees fleeing ukraine, i'm curious your thoughts on the psychology behind putin, and how you might think this all ends. you know, we've seen the russian army not as well equipped or prepared, and i think that some people may have suspected they would be a little better prepared for this. we're seeing the violence and destruction, much like a wounded animal in the corner, and that's not the safest place to be. will he escalate this in a show of force, just to save face or will he quietly go back to his corner, you know, perhaps cover with a bit of hubris, it's hard to tell. you're an expert here, so tell
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me your thoughts. >> yeah, i'm certainly not because everything i thought about this has not been the way it's turned out. i will say one thing that i didn't know and even u.s. intelligence, which was otherwise really really good about this didn't get right is the concept that the russians believed and the americans believed that they would be able to overrun ukraine in short order, and they haven't partially because of the moral and leadership of volodymyr zelenskyy but this point you bring up about being a wounded animal backed into a corner, remember, the russian army is massive. they are very powerful. they may not have been performing the way they should have been right now, but as their army stalls and we are continually getting reports that they are stalling and they're having difficulty in urban street-to-street combat against ukrainians who know the terrain, and are able to defend themselves, they are resorting more to air strikes, which of course the stinger missiles which we are providing the ukrainians with, they are not effective against high flying fast aircraft. number two which you reported
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and we cannot confirm, the idea of hyper sonic missiles. we can't confirm that. hyper sonic missiles are fast and hard to intercept. ukraine does not have the technology to be able to do that. if there are more missile attacks, remember, cruise missiles and hyper sonic missiles come to russia, to the other side of ukraine, much further into nato countries. when we saw the attack on the air base last weekend that's just a few miles from the polish border that was actually missiles that were launched from russian territory. he does have more tools in his tool box, and i don't think his nature is such that he's likely going to go back into a corner, and feel some hubris. the danger is as they stall on the ground, they're going to take to the air. >> something else that we have been talking about all week, ali, is this video by arnold schwarzenegger, which has such credo with the people of russia.
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i want to play it for our viewers in case they missed it, and we'll talk about it on the other side. >> reporter: yep. it on the other side. >> reporter: yep >> all right. do we have the sound, let me know. >> the russian government has lied not only to the citizens but the soldiers. i urge the russian people and the russian soldiers in ukraine to understand the propaganda and the disinformation that you are being told. i ask you to help me spread the truth. let your fellow russians know the human catastrophe that is happening in ukraine. and to president putin, i say you started this war. you are leading this war. you can stop this war. >> ali, i thought that was such compelling sound from arnold schwarzenegger. i'm curious your thoughts because as you know, russia controls a lot of the content that its people can see.
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do you think that this video will be able to penetrate the oppressive nature of russia and that the people will see it, and if they do, will there be some sort of uprising, will they stand against their leader, and are they equipped to do that? >> reporter: it was a very compelling video, almost ten minutes long, and one of the interesting things about arnold schwarzenegger is he's popular in russia. he was involved in the first film that was allowed to be filmed, the first western film allowed to be shot in red square. one of the compelling parts about that ten-minute video is where he spoke about his father who went into leningrad, his father was a nazi, and they fought in leningrad, and he said it broke his father, it broke him physically, it hurt his back. he had shrapnel wounds and arnold schwarzenegger was making the point to russian soldiers, who might be arnold schwarzenegger fans. you saw it sub titled in russia.
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this is not your war, this is not your father's war. this was not your grandfather's war for the liberation of russia, this is an unprovoked invasion of ukraine. it was very compelling. i don't know how many people it will reach. there's some sense that celebrities popular in russia might find a way in, either through the use of a vpn or some other method try and get the material and it might spread around. not clear that it will work but it was very compelling. >> very compelling indeed, and we're going to talk later about journalists, some of our colleagues we have seen cover this conflict. but you, ali, you have been in the midst of conflicts. you were tear gassed before. and you have certainly had your share of covering global conflict. i'm very happy to see you safe. just curious, your thoughts if you could just share your thoughts with our viewers, what you go through, as some of the people that show up, put yourselves on the front lines of the crisis to bear witness to
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history and tell these very important stories. this is our last question for you because i know you want to run. i want to get your thoughts on that because i think it's an important story for our viewers to hear what you go through, and we thank you for it? >> reporter: look i appreciate that. i'll point further east to those of our reporters and journalists who are in country. i have been interviewing photographs from the "new york times," lynsey addario, or marcus lamb from the l.a. times about injuries or our great team in lviv. that's the real danger. we're in eastern europe where there's threat but i'm in a nato country so the idea that if anything were to happen here or in poland, that would draw nato into it and look like an end game for russia: your question is important. if there are not people to bear witness, we cannot hold power to account. if you don't actually see what's happening, you can't hold that up to people that are spreading
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propaganda, like vladimir putin, and that is really important work that has in the last week cost three western journalists their lives but other ukrainian journalists as well. so the importance in this thing, when people say why are some reporters putting themselves in the way of danger, it is to bear witness, so that when these things happen, there's no viewer anywhere in the world, no voter who can say, i didn't know this was happening, and there are people that can say what can i do, when i see the refugees, to whom can i donate, help in some way, and that human impulse is so amazing. we have seen so much of it. i'm in a country speaking hostile to immigrants but the hungarian people have been amazing. whatever the government says, the government says but we're going to help people. i feel that's a global spirit but only comes from our ability to cover this and make it real for people so they can decide i would like to have a role whether i pressure my government or senator or member of congress
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or make a donation to the international rescue committee or the red cross, it is important. the bottom line is by showing it, we can't deny it. >> and your humanity comes through, my friend. every single time we see you the in field. i thank you for that, and we're going to be talking to lynsey addario later in our program, so thank you for sticking around with us, ali, we'll check back with you if there's anything before the show is out. we look forward to seeing you tomorrow morning, more of your amazing reporting. thank you, ali velshi. and my one on one interview with stacey abrams, an exclusive interview, so stay tuned. gas prices are starting to ease but are still at record levels due to russia's invasion of ukraine. how long is this going to last. a lot of you want to know, we're going to ask the question. stay with us. t to kw,no we're going to ask the question. stay with us d time for a flare-up? enough, crohn's! for adults with moderate to severe crohn's or ulcerative colitis, stelara® can provide relief, and is the first approved medication to reduce inflammation
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all right. not that long ago, georgia gubernatorial candidate stacey
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abrams sat down with me for an exclusive interview to discuss the situation with ukraine and her bid to become the first black female governor in the united states. >> honored to welcome to "the cross connection," georgia gubernatorial candidate and founder of organization fair fight. stacey abrams, thank you very much for being here. i know you're very busy on the campaign trail. we're honored to have you here today this it's an honor to be with me. thanks for inviting me. >> i want to get right into it, stacey, because nearly 4,000 soldiers and national guardsmen from georgia are deploying to europe amid the russian invasion of ukraine, their purpose is to rea sure allies. they're dealing with the impact of the war right there in georgia, and this is impactsing some of your would be constituents, so what impact has this had on the people of georgia? >> i think first and foremost, it has reminded georgians that
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we have 13 military installations. i was recently in the lowe location of an air force base, and i'm in midway, a heavily military community. when you're being deployed or a veteran, our lives, the lives of georgians are on the line, but the reason they are being deployed, the reason they are willing to stand and guard the baltic states, and poland and lithuania, the reason they're there to support nato is democracy matters. the attack putin is waging against ukraine matters, and it matters to all of us. but it doesn't diminish the responsibility we have here in georgia to ensure that those very families have the supports and the resources they need when they get home or while their loved ones are deployed. that's why i'm fighting so hard to make certain that the governor is doing her job. should i be lucky enough to become that person, that we are paying to attention to the needs of not only our military deployed, but their families, housing, access to jobs, making
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sure that the educational system they're part of works, but that we're also thinking about the homeless military veterans that unfortunately are on our streets. i met with a young woman who's doing her best to end veteran homelessness, and that is a pledge i intend to make as the next governor of georgia. >> i appreciate what you're saying because i do think there are parallels to what's happening really around the globe with democracy being so fragile. it's challenging for those of us in the media because we're so focused on ukraine, yet there are many domestic issues right here at home, for example, georgia republicans recently advanced a sweeping piece of legislation that would among other things empower this state bureau investigation to investigate election issues. this is all based on the ridiculous lie from donald trump and the long-term voter suppression that incumbent governor brian kemp has practiced for years, you know better than anyone, trying to restrict outside funding to election officers and open paper ballots for public inspection.
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these are all big challenges. i'm curious, what's the plan to overcome a lot of rampant voter suppression we're seeing so heavily in georgia? >> our first responsibility is to acknowledge that what is happening in ukraine is absolutely a vast difference of degree. this is the malicious murder of people, but the pursuit that we are watching putin undertake is autocracy tended to topple democracy, and that should be chilling to everyone. and we can never diminish the human cost, but we also can't lose sight of the fact that it is the most grotesque experience that we're seeing on a spectrum of attacks against democracy. and there are national, international organizations that will tell you that democracy in the united states is being judged fragile, because of the attacks. they are more, certainly less bloody and in some ways, they can seem more benign but the malice embedded in denying the person the right to vote is an
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attack on democracy. that said, i don't want anyone to believe that we equate the malice and the grotesquery of putin with what's happening in the united states, but that to your point doesn't diminish the legitimate concerns about what's happening to democracy domestically. georgia is considering yet another bill that would further restrict access to the right to vote, that would shift the responsibility and the ability to launch investigations for nonexistent voter fraud. would limit access to resources to make certain that african americans and latinos and asian americans aren't standing in long lines. that rural communities have the resources they need. anytime there is an attack on the infrastructure of democracy, it should concern every person, regardless of ideology or partisanship. our solution has to be one, voter education, and two, voter activation. there's a false narrative if people vote, if you have high voter turnout, that disproves the existence of suppression,
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that's not true. suppression exists. it exists in primaries and in the general election but what high voter turnout does, it diminishes the effectiveness of voter suppression, our most potent weapon is to overwhelm system with our presence and elect people who actually support our participation, and that is one of the reasons i'm running for governor, to not only galvanize folks to know that they have this right, but to make certain that as the next governor of georgia, we fortify that right, and roll back these voter suppression activities that we have seen undertaken in the last few years. >> and i do take your point. there is a vast difference between what's happening in ukraine and what's happening here domestically. however, i want to remind our viewers that the battle here in america was absolutely bloody over the years, and certainly lives were lost in that battle, you of all people definitely know that. i want to shift gears. you made an appearance on star trek, a show you have referenced
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as shaping your presence as president of united earth. you are running for governor of georgia. what's the latest on your campaign, how would you describe the biggest challenge fatsing -- facing your campaign? >> i encourage people to go to our web site, and read the policies and ideas people have for georgia, and the most important challenge we face is making certain people believe that vision and promise really exist for them. for too many georgians, the last four years under this governor has been a march towards ineptitude and inaction, and that's inexcusable. too many georgians have fallen behind and while he may tout high level numbers that make sense for those who are already doing well, too many georgians are fulling behind. when i was in cuthberth, georgia, a woman told me her aunt died because the hospital that could have saved her life
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shut down in 2020 because this governor refuses to expand medicaid. this is not a partisan issue. mike pence expanded medicaid. kentucky expanded medicaid, ohio has expanded medicaid. the refusal to accept billions of dollars to save georgia lives is one of the reasons this campaign is essential and one of the reasons my victory is going to be important because it's an opportunity for georgians of every stripe in every part of our state to finally feel like we're part of one georgia and the governor sees all of us, andments wants all of us to be successful, not just his cronies, his powerful friends and the places and people he likes. >> you are very much a national figure. you're credited with helping to shift the power of the federal government, and so it's curious how you will strike the balance of being this national figure but also a georgian first. i don't know, georgia is a state that's frequently keeps growing more racially and ethically
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diverse. those folks certainly helped shift the power of the federal government as well. how will you strike that balance of these two competing, you know, national versus local? >> you know that we all often live with multiple identities. i am a writer a public advocate for voting rights and civil rights, i'm a small business owner, an attorney, and i manage to be all of those things at once. i am a georgian first and i'm running to be the governor of the state but i can never forget where the state sits in the national, it is because of georgia that the american rescue plan lifted children out of poverty for the first time in generations. its because of georgia that we have a president of the united states who's able to sign into law infrastructure bills that are going to pour money into the state, and while the current governor likes to take credit
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for spending the money, i want to give credit where credit is do for where the money came from and it came from democrats, and those democrats came from georgia, and so my responsibility is to celebrate georgia, to see georgia, and as governor, to serve all of georgia. not just metro atlanta but the entirety of the state, and that's why i'm going to be in augusta, and midway told. that's why i have been across the state and will continue to crisscross the state, sharing this message of one georgia with every single person because i'm a georgian first, and i want one georgia that gets to rise together. >> and it's a good reminder that georgia is not just atlanta. there are a lot of communities all throughout georgia. i have to ask you before i let you go, it's women's history month, were you to be elected governor of georgia, you would be the first black woman to do so in america, and you would be in good company, shalanda young, to run the budget office, and madame vice president kamala
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harris. i'm curious your thoughts, what message would your election send to future barrier breakers and history makers. >> that it's possible. that ambition is not a dirty word, that we should want more for ourselves, want more for our communities, want more for our people, and we can cast people in multiple ways. as a woman of color, i think about what it means to see someone who looks like me standing for these offices as a block woman. i understand how remarkable this can be. as a young person from the south, i know what it means to see change happen here first, and so across the spectrum, i'm just honored to be an avatar for what is possible for others, and more than anything, i want to be able to do the work of making that possibility real. because for too many, it is purely idealistic. they do not see a path, and that's because we have not had a governor willing to chart that path with georgians and to make certain we remove the barriers that block too many georgians
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author of "turning green," why exactly are gas prices so hirks and the cost of oil going down, and russia accounting for 3% of the oil we use in this country. >> this is actually a long-term problem. viewers don't remember because they don't want to remember. we had a long, long, period of very very low prices in this country, and low prices due to oil companies what high prices do to consumers. you know, it makes them do less and go out of business. so we had, in fact, 600 bankruptcies over the course of the last five years from oil companies, and when the entire global market kind of came out of this pandemic, looking for a lot more fossil fuels and wanting to get out of their houses and drive again, there were a lot of oil companies that weren't around anymore to respond. so prices had already been going
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up quite a bit. and had already been, you know, in terms of a barrel price at around $90, even before ukraine started, and once ukraine started, obviously, and then with the ban on oil here in the united states, that only added fuel to the fire, so we now have an oil price and a gas price that's gone a little bit parabolic. >> i remember when i was living in college, living in atlanta, georgia, and the lowest gas price i remember seeing was $0.75 in the '90s. i don't know that we'll ever go back to those prices, but you know, something interesting, and i learned this from you, oil companies do not set gas prices, which baffled me. explain that. who is setting these high gas prices. >> yeah, and it's very hard for people to understand this because they think that, you know, gas is like, you know, corn flakes that kelloggs sets the price for corn flakes in their store, but gas is not like corn flakes. if it was, you know, if oil
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companies were able to set gas prices, gas prices would never be less than $5 a gallon. so i tell people, try and think about it like this, say you're in a turkish bazaar, and you're looking for a rug, and you're with hundreds of other people looking for the same rug, and you've got dozens of rug makers who are standing there. now, nobody in the bazaar really knows what the rug is going to sell for, the sellers want to sell it for the highest price they can, and the buyers obviously want to buy it for the lowest price they can, and everybody goes in and starts bargaining back and forth, and depending on how many buyers you have that day and how many sellers you have that day, you come up pretty quickly with a price the rugs are going to sell for. if you have a lot of buyers and very few sellers, the price is going to be very high, and that's where we are right now. if you have a lot of sellers and very few buyers like we had during the pandemic, the price is going to be very very low. and that's really what happens in the oil market on a very simplistic basis.
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>> i'm curious because they don't set the oil prices, so are oil companies suffering losses? are they enjoying huge profits? what happens to them as these gas prices fluctuate? >> when oil prices are very low, there's a lot of losses in the market space, so over the past six years, 600 companies went broke. now the prices are very high. obviously oil companies are making out sized profits, now, you know, then you get the ideas from senator warren who wants to curb those profits when prices are high. from an oil company's standpoint, no one was there protecting me when i was losing money five years ago, why should i have to give back money when i'm making money now. i'm not an apologist to oil companies, i'll leave the politics to senator warren. >> i want to ask too, you know, unfortunately, climate change is not a very sexy story,
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particularly not in cable news, but gas prices are, and every time this happens, it starts the conversation, when are we going to stop being so dependent on oil. this, folks, is climate change. this is a part of the conversation. i'm curious from you, how does this debate centered around oil prices play into claimant change, and what can we say to the american people that this should be a sexy topic because it impacts our wallets. >> this has been, you know, what i have been trying to do with my life for the past 15 years, and my last book is all about this, how we can move more quickly to renewables from what we still are, we're very dependent upon fossil fuels, and i've advocated for all sorts of things that nobody has interest in listening to. mostly involving control both a regulatory influence on oil canes about where, when and how they get oil out of the ground because these natural resources belong to us as, you know, americans the oil and gas here
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in the united states, much more than oil companies that haphazardly pull this stuff out of the ground whenever they wants and do with it whatever they want. that's one way. on the other side, i would advocate for a generally very high price of oil and gas, and that won't make consumers very happy, but the truth is, when oil and gas is high, you make renewables a lot more competitive in the market, you know, they become relatively cheaper compared to oil and gas, and you start to get some of the capital investments towards these products that you don't normally get otherwise. so there's a lot of things we can do, but of course there's political things that stop us from doing that. >> all right. well, we have to keep trying, and i appreciate your 15 years dedicating your life of trying to get this conversation in the main streak because, you know, as long as we are dependent on this oil, we'll keep going through these economic problems or challenges, a lot of people who have nothing to do with the war in ukraine, lyft drivers, and uber drivers, and gig economy workers getting
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who works from home, and then works from home. but she can handle pickup, even when her bladder makes a little drop-off. because candice has poise, poise under pressure and poise in her pants. it takes poise. this week, we were reminded of the dangers journalists face while covering the war in ukraine. two journalists working for fox news were killed on monday. and a russian journalist who held up a protest sign on live tv was detained for 14 hours but it's the front line journalists who captured the human costs of war. we're about to show a graphic photo from "new york times" lynsey addario, if you need to turn around, now would be the time. the first was to show russian forces killing innocent ukrainians. it as painful but important reminder of the real horror of
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this war and others like it. joining me now is the incredibly brave woman behind that image, pulitzer prize winning photographer, lynsey addario it's an honor to have you on the show. thank you for being with us. i want to discuss the photograph. you witnessed a russian mortar attack on evacuating civilianings. i'm curious, how do you manage to stay composed enough to even take a photo like that? >> i mean, it's hard. it's not to say i'm not crying or short of breaking inside. i think for me, i have been doing this a very long time, and i've come a long way from the first time i started seeing sights like this where i forgot to take photographs because i was so emotional or so scared. it still happens that i sort of put my safety first, of course, but, you know, i have to tell myself, it's very important to take these photographs because the international community and world leaders need to see what's happening on the ground.
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>> it's really important to me for my viewers to know who you are, and the personal sacrifices you've made and the enduring battles that you yourself have been put in just to bear witness to history, so that our viewers and your readers can see the imagery. i want to tell our viewers that you were first kidnapped in fallujah in iraq in 2004. you were one of four "new york times" journalists kidnapped in libya in 2011, endured horrific treatment there, somehow managed to reason with terrorists who were mistreating you. there was sexual assault in pakistan. you were involved in an automobile accident while returning to islamabad. you have truly embodied what it means to be a journalist and prioritize the story. you're a wife and a mother. how is it you balance your dedication, which we appreciate as consumers, your dedication to our craft, and manage in that moment that you have a family who's expecting you to come home
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safely? >> yeah, it's hard. i guess i have to compartmentalize a lot while i'm in the field. i have to really try and stay focused on the moment. i try not to think so much about my children and my husband while i'm in that moment, though it's impossible because of course the first thing i think of when come upon four bodies and see the body of a child is my own family, and how it would kill me to see that. so it's a combination. i try really hard to stay focused and compartmentalizing things, off and crying when i'm photographing. when i get home, it's important for me to process what i've seen. i talk a lot with my husband and my family. not so much my children, but my sisters, my parents, my husband. so it is important for me to process. i do not want to forget what i see because i think i need to pay tribute to the people i photograph.
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it's really important that i carry them with me where i go because this is why i do this work so that people can see it and remember it. >> you know, i think sadly the deaths that we've seen in the latest round fixers that a lot of our viewers don't understand the role of a fixer and what they do. alexandra casanova was a fixer for fox news, one of the victims who passed away in the last horrific attack. can you explain to our viewers how you get on the ground and get in the middle of that story and find that image and take it. and i think there is something special about being a woman doing that in the middle of combat. often times in hostile territories that are not respectful of women. >> so i think there are a lot of different questions in that. i think first of all a fixer is usually a local journalist and generally a local, very respected journalist and we hire them to help us do our work, to help us find our footing, help guide us on the stories,
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translate, they're almost like a producer. but they themselves are often very celebrated journalists, and so none of us could do our work without them. that's very important to realize and to pay tribute to them. i think, let's see, what was the second question, i'm sorry. >> how do you go on the ground, and find yourself in the middle of it, and snap that image? >> well, it's generally a lot of their guidance helping us. i can say i have this idea, and then they say, well, these are the options, so it's really a collaborative process. but again, we can't really do anything without their help, and so, you know, sasha paid with her life for doing this job, just like pierre. >> well, i thank you so much, lynsey addario, for all of your work, and for being here with this us saturday. we definitely have to have you back. glad to see you safe. thank you for being here. >> and former fbi counter
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