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tv   Yasmin Vossoughian Reports  MSNBC  April 3, 2022 12:00pm-1:00pm PDT

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we begin this hour with some of the words being used today to describe horrific scenes that have now come to light outside of the capital city of kyiv. the celebration of the liberation of the area from russian troops now overshadowed by the reality of what those troops did on their way out. i want to warn you that the images we're about to show you and even the descriptions of them are graphic. disturbing, and hard to watch. they may be some of the worst images you have ever seen on your television. but they are the devastating reality of putin's war on the people of ukraine. and it's important we see that and him for what it is and what he is. these are the streets of bucha, ukraine, a once bustling suburban town about 20 miles north of kyiv. people of this town have gone without food, without electricity and gas for weeks. under russian attacks. i want to warn you again of the visuals i'm about to show you, you're looking at people in everyday clothing, not military
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uniforms, people with their bicycles, cast aside. massacred. the town's mayor saying at least 20 innocent civilians were shot in the back of the head. execution style. several dying with their hands tied behind their backs. no way to fight back. nbc news however has not verified the statement. that mayor also confirming women and children are among the dead. and that several hundred civilians are buried in the once peaceful commuter town's mass grave. you can see their limbs and their clothing from underneath this rubble. i want to remind you all that these are the scenes coming out of just one ukrainian town formerly under russian control. we are nowhere close to knowing the other atrocities yet to be uncovered as this war is raging on. but the sheer brutality and the inhumanity of president putin and his war, that is one thing
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that is unquestionably clear today. with that, i want to bring in nbc's ali arouzi on the ground in lviv. also joining me is a political editor at the kyiv independent. welcome to you both. ali, let me start with you. these images, they are incredibly difficult to look at. and that is an understatement. bring us up to speed on the reaction inside the country right now to all that is being discovered. >> well, yasmin, it's a reaction of utter horror. people cannot believe what they see. i mean, they're not entirely surprised. any ukrainian you speak to say this is what the russian war machine does. this isn't normal war fare. this is how they fight. and so the latest news out of there is that the ukrainians are saying the russians made a rapid retreat out of those areas. that they are now in control of
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most of those suburbs around kyiv. but as that fog has lifted, as journalists have been allowed to go in there, we are seeing images of unspeakable crimes against civilians. the streets there littered with burnt out tanks, people sprawled out on the streets. lying on the side of the pavement dead, some of them with their hands tied behind their backs. it is very difficult to watch. the mayor, as you said, of bucha said at least 20 people were killed execution style with a bullet to the back of the head. this is really extraordinary stuff to see. he spoke earlier, let's take a listen to what the mayor had to say. >> translator: corpses of executed people still lying in the street. their hands are tied behind their back with rags. they were shot in the back of their head. you can imagine what kind of
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lawlessness they perpetrated here. >> and every account you hear from witnesses in bucha and in other surrounding areas there paint a similar horrifying picture of the experiences they have gone through, the things they have seen, things that no human being has to see or go through. but the attacks carry on here. yasmin, in odesa, down to the south, there has been two missile attacks there. and this is what we were anticipating. this is what the russians said they were going to do. when the emphasis shifted away from kyiv, they were going to hit the donbas region, the south, and odesa, and they carry on pounding mariupol. nobody has really been into mariupol. the scenes there could be worse than the ones we have seen in bucha. we just don't know right now. as you said, there has been international condemnation about what has happened. we have heard this so many times before. we have heard it after kosovo,
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this must never happen again. this is unforgettable, but it has happened again. we have to see how hard they do come down on vladimir putin and this generals and commanders that carried out what we just saw in bucha. >> happened again, and we're all seeing the images. they're being shared around the world, not only on television but across social media platforms. everybody in the world around the globe is seeing these images and the atrocities brought out, taken out by the russian soldiers on the ukrainian people. a war that was brought on by vladimir putin. let me bring you into the conversation. what are you learning, what are you hearing from your colleagues on the ground, the people that have been able to get into bucha? >> everybody is shocked, even people who worked in different war zones. they tell me that this is the worst thing they saw in their life. people are lying down on the
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pavement, near the road, and people's backyards, there are graves. the whole city is a cemetery. we see people at least we could identify at least three people with hands tied behind their back. shot by russians. executed. if there's one word which can describe the horrors that we're seeing, this is a massacre. this is a genocide. >> is this anything that your colleagues that you anticipated happening, knowing the way vladimir putin approaches wars? >> well, one thing is talking about how russia executes their wars, how russian soldiers approach occupation. we heard reports about rapes, about murders, about looting. but now that we're seeing it, we're shocked. today, the whole day, i spent
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with colleagues on the phone, many of whom were crying. grown-up men and women crying because what they saw. >> i also bring up the fact that as the smoke is clearing, it seems, and russian troops are pulling out of certain regions and heading back towards the east, recalibrating, it seems, their strategy, ukrainians, you, journalists are beginning to see what has taken place under russian control. this is just one city, as my colleague ali arouzi just mentioned. for instance, mariupol, is you worried what else is to come, what other images were emerge from this russian occupation? >> yes, we're 100% sure this is only the beginning. this is, as you correctly pointed out, this is one city which had a population of over 20,000 people. and according to the prosecutor general, they uncovered 410
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bodies, so it's over 1% of the population shot, civilians. the striking images of a grandpa on a bicycle just executed on the road. women killed, and we expect that as long as russia maintains control of ukrainian cities and little villages, we're going to see this on and on. the human rights watch already documented at least ten war crimes. today was their publication of rape, of murder, of looting, and unfortunately, we understand that this will continue. >> okay. for now, thank you both. appreciate it. >> want to bring in now two members of the ukrainian parliament. ina and siatslav. welcome to you both. ina, let me start with you and get your reaction to the reporting that we're seeing and hearing from the ground in
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butcha, specifically, the atrocities carried out by russian soldiers. >> well, it's very difficult to process. i have been second night in a row thinking about that, trying to figure out what is happening in people's brains that leads them to doing this. so we have to realize that this is -- this has been an institutionalized violence. given the number of cases that we're seeing, those were not just random acts of violence. this was an institutional decision to commit cruelty, violence, rape, against ukrainian civilians. that is important to understand. not random acts of cruelty. but it was institutionalized decision made on the very top. that is important to understand. also, and my heart is just breaking thinking about that, but right now as we speak, as we are still in shock from what we have seen in bucha and other villages around kyiv, russia is still in control of many parts
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of ukraine, on the east and on the south, and i don't have a single reason to believe what we have seen in bucha is not happening there either. and i just want the world to remember that we need to prevent yet another bucha from happening. and the only way to do that is by helping ukrainian army regain control of those territories. so again, i'm in shock with what has happened in bucha, but what is more is i want to prevent from anything like that happening in other cities and i'm asking for any help to the ukrainian army in terms of weapons any country can provide. >> we're looking at these images as your colleague is speaking. it's just horrendous to see them over and over again. what has happened to the ukrainian people there, especially in that town. which i'm sure was at one point incredibly vibrant. you have had had so much loss throughout this war. you lost your love, your partner, during this war who was working at a journalist
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alongside fox news. now seeing these images as well. what is your reaction? >> my unit was liberating towns near bucha, and the horror you see in bucha is repeated in every part of the kyiv region that was taken by the russians. russians are clearly doing here that which so many times in history should not have been repeated again. but it's happening again now, and the question is to the west and how the west will respond to this mass genocide that's happening all over my country, and i'm sure when we will see the scenes of mariupol, the city in which more than 90% of buildings were shelled and destroyed, and you'll see much, much worse. again, the west has awesome might to put an end to this at any moment. they continue to buy the bluff by mr. putin and his response. until then, we have to fight on.
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we will have to liberate our country and showcase many more of this mad horror of inhumanity happening in our country. >> you know, what needs to happen to the russian leadership here, as myprieveiate guest just called this a genocide on the ukrainian people, especially when you consider the power of the international criminal court? >> the reality is that -- >> let me go to ina, and then i'll come to you. >> well, we do call for justice to be done for the victims of those crimes. we have no doubts that those are the war crimes. and we want justice being served. we also understand that it's very complicated and long-term process. we understand that the fact of -- that arresting putin and everyone else responsible for that on the very top would be close to impossible. but it doesn't mean we should
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stop trying. and i believe that we shall seek justice and the calls for full-scale investigation by the icc are very important sign that the world is seeing that and i very much hope justice will be done to those people, and we shall be fighting for that. we did have a statement from our foreign minister saying it's a mission of his life right now to complete this process. and i very much support him in that. and i believe that would be the mission for the whole ukraine to do justice to those who suffered. >> what else do you need on a military level, looking at these images, knowing the world is watching these atrocities play out in your country? what else do ukrainians need? >> the reality is that if we are doing this war ourselves alone, we need the instruments and the means to do it ourselves. we are in dire need of everything and anything.
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everything at the military level. this battle is not easy, and russia still has 2.5 million reserves to mobilize. as far as the justice that we all need to see, it's only a question of looking at the reality. this is the largest invasion since the second world war, and the destruction here is uncountable at the moment and will still keep coming to shock the world's audience time and time again. and you can see in the footage from the nuremberg trials what happens with criminals that allow themselves to do this to the world. i hope that is the least of what mr. putin will receive and his henchmen that are making this horror a reality. >> ukrainian parliament members ina and siataslav, thank you both, and please continue to stay safe and do the good work. >> we're continuing, everybody, to follow the latest out of ukraine throughout the hour, including the horrific images out of bucha and the continued
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breaking news out of sacramento, california, where a manhunt is under way after a mass shooting killed six people and injured 12 more. it happened in the downtown
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entertainment district early this morning. leaving a crime scene that stretches through several blocks. nbc's scott cohn is there for us. scott, as always, good to see you. talk to us because we're learning more and more about this as the hours pass. i know the mayor just spoke a short time ago. what did he have to say? >> well, yasmin, he sort of played out this script that's become all too familiar after these incidents of public officials trying to make sense of this, expressing their frustration about gun violence and we'll get to that in a moment. first the latest details from the sacramento police. they're saying 12 people injured, the injuries in varying degrees, they say, up from ten earlier, and six people dead, and at least one firearm has been recovered at the scene. that presumably will help them in their investigation. that scene just about a block away. and we're told that police were on routine patrols in the area when they heard the gunfire about 2:00 this morning around the time that the clubs were
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closing. there may have been some sort of altercation and then there was the sound of gunfire in rapid succession. six people were treated at the scene and did not survive their wounds. mayor steinberg was appearing in a news conference a short time ago with sacramento city council members and he talked about all that the city has tried to do to stem gun violence, but he says it hasn't been enough. >> thoughts and prayers, of course, are appropriate for the victims and their families. and the people who are still fighting for their lives now in the hospitals. but thoughts and prayers are not nearly enough. we must do more. as a city, as a state, and as a nation. this senseless epidemic of gun violence must be addressed.
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how many unending tragedies does it take before we begin to cure the sickness in this country? >> first california has some of the toughest gun laws in the nation, and the mayor also talked about what the city has done to try to reach out to minority communities, the disadvantaged, troubled youth, and things like that. even as he said he really didn't know a lot about or have any official information about what had happened here. and just to orient you, we're literally two blocks from the state capital. this is the heart of sacramento, the entertainment district. an area they have invested a lot into and put a lot into, and this certainly creates issues on that front. but police are still trying to figure out what happened, and in fact, appealing to the public for any cell phone videos or other videos out there that might shed light on what happened here and who was responsible. >> i know you got into this a
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little bit, but if you could pull on that thread as to more you know when it comes to any sense of motivation here when it came to the shooting. what folks are learning. >> very little. the police are saying that they know there was some sort of an altercation outside one of the clubs here, and they're still trying to determine whether that's related to the gunfire that broke out. the mayor talked about assault style weapons but then said he wasn't sure if that was the case, but did point out six people were killed in rapid fashion, and he talked about how difficult it would be to prevent a drive-by shooting, but then quickly adding that he doesn't know that's what happened either. so they are still trying to sort this out, as here we are ten hours after this tragedy unfolded. >> piecing this thing together. a terrifying scene, but sadly, not uncommon in thiscountry. scott cohn for us, thank you. coming up, everybody, putin's road to war.
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that russian forces were carrying out. there have been bodies laying on the ground, many of them appear to have been killed execution style at close range. some with their hands tied behind their backs. some bodies were dumped into quickly dug mass graves. also reports, widespread reports of looting, even rape. >> again, some unbelievable images there. my thanks to richard engle for that reporting. so you will remember that the russian military officials originally called their presence in that region a, quote/unquote liberation mission. now, it seems we know what they meant from those images. making it all the more horrific that russia now says it will bring that same mission to eastern ukraine. richard lui has been following this for us. we knew russian forces were heading from the kyiv region, especially over east, it seems as if they were recalibrating their strategy here. what are we seeing today amidst all these horrific images
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emerging from bucha? >> they retreat from the north, and as we were talking last weekend, where would they be going? they will move from this area down into the south, according to what russian officials are saying. there are five major four or five major troop groupings if you look at this map right now. and these white arrows that you can see at the moment show the direction that they're moving. likely axis of advance. the eastern grouping, the central, western, and two southern groupings that we're watching right now, according to the uk ministry of defense and nbc news. the western grouping is the one to watch here. this western grouping is now moving with momentum towards the south, towards donetsk and luhansk at the moment and the southern troop groupings are now moving north. now, why is that important when we look at it? as this happens, this would close off ukrainian forces from supplies from the west. this is the area, lots of lines
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here. this area right here is where the ukrainian troops are. they would be closed off. no supply routes coming from the west would make it through here. this, according to military planners, is called the pincer movement. just like that tool that you may have in your garage. it's cutting them off from the west. and this is similar, as i was mentioning, to what you might see. the ukrainian troops without supplies, that would be difficult. a note, though, about the ukrainian troops here that i have been talking about. in this area. this green circle that i have right here. there are some of the most intense fighting areas in this space. as we have been talking about since the very beginning. well, for some of these ukrainian troops, it's been eight years of fighting against russian troops, separaists just in this space. while the most experienced troops potentially, they're tired. it's been a long time. the pincer movement would put
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them on a figurative island where they have no support. escalating casualties for ukrainians. very damaging. but the human cost is already high even when we look just at the russian troops. and what they have lost so far. nato estimating up to 15,000 so far in this seven-week invasion now, this six or seven-week invasion. that's as high as six times the number of u.s. troops lost in afghanistan over 20 years for the united states. just in terms of context. and yasmin, as you can see here, the ukrainian numbers, 17,000, their estimates. russian estimates, not even in the same ballpark. we're talking of a difference of 30x. >> either way, the thes are staggering. you talk about the pincer movement which seems to be choking out the ukrainian forces in the east, kind of wanting to isolate them, leave them on an island. we talk about specifically the donbas region which we know
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putin wants total and absolute control of. he's asking for it in the peace treaties. what is the importance of that, richard? >> yeah, to reemphasize, this is something we have talked about several times, but we have to remember in this area, in the south, this is a map of the south here, there are a couple very important reasons. the first one is the donbas region is similar to the heartland of the united states. that's where a lot of manufacturing and commerce thrives. all in this space. and the reason why this would be a good prize for russia is down here. the black sea. if you make stuff, you have to ship it to places. we're in a global commerce and that's where that would go. that's where some ort the importance of the south would be for russia as we look at why they're concentrating on the space. >> unbelievable stuff. richard lui, as always, thank you. great to see you. we'll see you again in the next hour as well. >> so we cover russia's military tactics and the horrors left behind in towns like butchy as
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we have been seeing some of those atrocious images. frontline's documentary, putin's road to war, tells the story of what led the russian leader to launch his ukrainian invasion and how he was shaped into the dictator he is today. as they cover in the film, putin's disregard for human life, it's not new. i want to play for you a clip, picking up on just how the russian leader respond today a 2004 hostage situation at a school in the russian city of beslan. >> putin wouldn't back down. he ordered his army in. tanks and troops encircled the school. and then an explosion. and chaos. >> the army shelled the school at point blank range. they fired at it from tanks. >> putin's troops were armed with rockets, grenade launchers,
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and flame throwers. >> a lot of the children who burned alive, burned alive because a fire that raged. >> it turn under to this debacle and the end result is corpses of little children stacked like fire wood. >> over 320 people were killed. half of them children. in the tragedy in the town of beslan. >> putin seized on the tragedy to expand his power and control. >> ruthless seemingly. the director of putin's road to war, michael kirk, is joining me now. brilliant, brilliant documentary, michael. i appreciate you joining us on this to talk through some of it. as you take a look at of course what was laid out in the clip where played, you think of course also of the way putin operates, you think of what happened with aleppo, what happened with chechnya as well, and now woe look at the images in bucha, talk to me about the progression of who vladimir putin was and has become, and how to a certain extent what
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we're seeing today is not unexpected. >> well, a strong man is a strong man. that's why they call him a strong man, right? he takes it very earnestly, this opportunity to demonstrate to his population, to russians, and to the world that he's not afraid to use force to make a point. in fact, that he does it with some regularity, as you see, yasmin. starting back in the '90s in chechnya, where he has been completely willing to kill civilians to make a point, and in a way that is the point. i'm here on behalf of my people to rebuild and reinvigorate the empire. and that is what he's been doing, and he's doing it again, and it's for those of us watching him closely, it's just not surprising, but it is obviously tragic. >> you start the piece off, the film off with that infamous now security council meeting three days before the invasion in which he had members of his
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cabinet walking in one by one, 30 feet away from him at that very long table, making the case to invade ukraine. why did you feel as if this moment was so incredibly important to your film? >> because he's the only one who is really doing any business there. and it also, i think, demonstrates the fear of his subordinates, of the people who are in the government with him. this is a deal that was already done. this is a deal that pretends to be live television in the evening, but they shot it in the afternoon. it's edited, and it's edited to make a point. he presses down one of his top ministers in the meeting. and that's a message to the people of russia and to the other people in the government. he's a no-nonsense authoritarian tyrant who is pulling the puppets up there and putting them in front of the camera. and subjecting them to saying
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yes, we want to go. we want to fight this war. the deal had already been done. the decision had already been made. but they needed to do this for the world and for the russian population to see what was coming and for him to exert his power. shocking when you watch him, yasmin. he's just banal about it. he's tapping his fingers on the desk. it just struck me as amazingly revelatory about how he exercises power up close and personal at the very highest levels of his government. >> you know, i wonder, we have been getting reporting in that putin is not actually being told the whole story about his russian military and the breakdown happening inn this war, and he's not told what is happening with sanctions in his own country and to the russian people and how they're suffering underneath these sanctions. as we're looking at these atrocious images out of bucha, do you believe putin is seeing
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these images, and if in fact thee is, if he knows what has gone on in bucha, does he see this as a win? >> i don't know that he would see it as a win, but he sees it as an effective tactic. we know from even american presidents like lyndon johnson in vietnam, the leader doesn't always know the details of what's going on, especially in a tactical level. generals do not want to report the kind of death tolls that you were reporting just a little earlier, if those turn out to be true. putin is going forward, it kind of doesn't matter how many of his troops die. i don't mean to be that callous or make that kind of a judgment, but that's not going to make him stop. there's nothing about what we saw in vladimir putin's life or career that would indicate he's going to get squeamish about a few thousand russian troops, especially if a lot of them are as reported conscripts.
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this is not about that to him. this is about something much larger. the rebuilding of his empire, the czar putin that seems to be going on with him, and a few losses of lives, he's in a war of attrition. and he doesn't -- he's sending a message to western europe and to the united states that he is hell bent on carrying this out as far as it will go. >> he sees this as empire building. as you have a quote in your film, talking about versus just the country of russia. frontline's putin's road to war is available to stream on the pbs channel, youtube channel. it's brilliant. i recommend everyone watching, especially as we see all of this take place in ukraine. >> and at the top of the hour, i'm going to be joined by kyra rudek, who has been to bucha, the side of the horrific images. her first-hand account is coming
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so there's plenty of attention on supreme court justice clarence thomas after his wife ginni thomas was found to have actively pressured the trump white house to overturn the 2020 election based on false election claims. democrats in congress are now pushing for the justice to recuse himself from all cases involving january 6th. as well as enact a new code of ethics for the supreme court. >> i have heard people say from time to time, well, it's a personal decision of a judge as to whether he should recuse himself. well, if your wife is an admitted and proud contributor to a coup of our country, maybe
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you should weigh that in your ethical standards. >> but is impeachment of justice thomas a possible option? a new op-ed in politico arguing that lawmakers should investigate whether thomas' behavior merits an attempt. joining me now is the writer of that piece, kimberly wail, and author of how to think like a lawyer and why. kimberly, great to see you. thanks for joining us on this. this is a fascinating op-ed. let's talk through some of it. making the case for the possibility of do you or do you not attempt impeachment when it comes to supreme court justice thomas. what is your argument here as to why they should consider it? >> well, at a minimum, they need to investigate the circumstances relating to justice thomas' knowledge of his wife's involvement in an historic attempt to overthrough a
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legitimate presidential election. one that the former attorney general bill barr essentially certified publicly as fraud-free. so justice thomas was aware that there was no evidence of fraud and was possibly aware that his wife was involved in trying to overthrough the election. so at a minimum, congress needs to understand what he knew. and there are calls for a code of conduct, but it turns out there is actually a federal statute that mandates that judges recuse themselves if there's even an appearance of impartiality based on an interest of a spouse. arguably, justice thomas was already bound by a federal law to step down from at least three cases in which he filed votes or dissenting votes that were consistent with what his wife was arguing behind the scenes. i think most importantly, he was the only justice to vote against the national archives turning over information from the white house to the january 6th
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committee. information that could have included texts from his wife or other communications from his wife to mark meadows, whom we know she texted with or other people in the white house. >> so you bring up this federal statute. this came about because an investigation to then justice douglas back in 1970 during the nixon era. i want to read a part of this federal statute you mentioned. because i find it fascinating. quote, where he has a personal bias or prejudice concerning a party or a personal knowledge of disputed evidentiary facts concerning the proceedings or, and this is the important part, he knows that he or his spouse has an interest that could substantially be affected by the outcome of the proceeding. then subsequently, the justice should recuse themselves. this seems, again, i'm not a lawyer, didn't go to law school. don't need to kind of understand the mumbo jumbo when it comes to some of these statutes, but i can understand this one. if clarence thomas is a man of the law, at the very least, he
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should in fact be recusing himself. >> right, he's done it in scores of other cases. he knows how to recuse himself. other justices know how to recuse themselves. and the reason i mention impeachment is because we know as a matter of common sense without a speeding ticket, many of us don't slow down just to comply with the speed limit. we'll do if if there's a machine hiding in the bushes. impeachment is the only mechanism for holding justices accountable for violating the law or the appearance of impartiality. they're held to a higher standard, not a lesser standard, because the supreme court is surviv surperceived even as bias, the entire judicial system could fair. so he, i think on its face, he has some accounting to do for this, and as you mentioned, justice douglas was under threat of impeachment. justice abe fortas did resign. this is not unprecedented for
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judges even though it's never worked for presidents. >> kim, let me read this final quote for you from an op-ed written by rich lowry who clearly disagrees with your opinion on this. also for politico. saying the supreme court justice shouldn't recuse himself just because his wife sent a few eyebrow raising text messages. your reaction? >> my reaction is, just your common sense reaction, which these are not eyebrow raising text messages. these were communications with a white house chief of staff to president trump, urging that mark meadows take steps to steal an election from the legitimate winner, joe biden. i know these sounds like incendiary words, but this is an established fact. there are more than 60 judges to refused to take legal action around that time because there was no there there. these are trump appointees and democrat appointees. judges are bound by facts and law. and justice thomas should have held himself up to the highest possible standard, and i think
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he should have come forward if he knew any information about this, but at a minimum, should have stepped down and said listen, i don't want to be part of this because i might have an interest, i might want to protect my wife here, so i shouldn't have a say in this. >> kimberly wehle, thank you. >> in the next hour, will justice clarence thomas or his wife be subpoenaed? i'll ask a member of the house panel investigating thee lofgre. >> coming up, getting treatment for refugees. we're live in poland where crews say more supplies are desperately needed. we'll be right back. >> we also need drink and food to the refugees tent. it's a whole new world here. and we really need help to keep doing what we're doing. allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! flonase all good.
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officials and aid groups on the ground desperate for more supplies and aid such as pain killers for the wounded. dasha burns is joining me from eastern poland i knowyou're at the border earlier today. what did you see and what are aid groups there telling you what more do they need >> well, yasmin, i saw aid groups doing what they have been
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doing for weeks and weeks now, helping provide support for refugees coming across the their biggest concern right now, though, is that the interest and the attention of the world might be w waning because the numbers are ath little lower now than wt we were seeing earlier in march. but what they tell me is that the need continues. and they don't know week to week how many people are going to come through. if a town gets attacked, a couple days later, they're going to see an uptick in numbers at the border. and we spoke to one of the groups working there, rescuers without boards or ssf, they're an israeli french group providing medical care there both for refugees coming across and getting supplies to ukrainian soldiers. they tell me that the people they're treating across the border here in poland, they are in two camps. one, people are suffering from hypothermia, it's been cold, frost bite from dehydration, exhaustion. things that need to be treated right away. they are also seeing people who
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have come here quickly. they haven't packed medications for chronic illness. people with diabetes, people with heart disease, insulin is always in demand. and they need to make sure that those stockpiles are replenished. and all of this is a challenge. they say they need more. i want you to hear just some of that conversation. >> what medications are you lacking or do you need to make sure you have a bigger stockpile of? >> well, everything. it'sel really hard to say becau we have a few mission here. we also give medical care to people across the border. we need all of the medication and medical staff over here in the ssf clinic. and we also need all the supplies, the surgical supplies, thee hygienic supplies, the medication, all of it inside of ukraine to some of the hospitals that we are working for. so i don't think that there is any medication we don't need.
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>> that operation, yasmin, of getting those supplies into ukraine, that is the biggest challenge logistically to get them where they need to go and also to get their hands on some of the tougher medications, morphine, pain killers, tourniquets also in high demand and in low supply. as she l said, there's not a thg that they don't need at this point, yasmin. >> major news there for sure. dasha burns, as always, thank you. >> coming up in the next hour, ukrainian parliament member kira rudik who was in bucha, where russian troops left it looking like scorched earth. her first hand account of the screen on the ground. that's coming up next. e ground that's coming up next.
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welcome back, everybody. i'm yasmin vossoughian. we have got a lot coming up in the hour ahead. thanks for sticking with me. more on that horrific scene coming out of the suburbs of kyiv in the town of bucha. people forced to drive around bodies. littering the street, innocent civilians murdered and left behind by retreating russian troops. >> corpses of executed people still lying in the street in bucha. their hands are tied behind their back with white civilian rags. their were shot in the back of their heads. you can imagine what kind


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