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good morning. 10:00 a.m. eastern, 7:00 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart and we begin this busy tuesday morning with breaking news. any moment, ukrainian president zelenskyy will address the united nations' security council, a day after visiting the devastated town of bucha, accusing russia of genocide. we'll bring you his speech live. russian forces, meanwhile, are accused of killing innocent civilians in that kyiv suburb, before retreating. we should warn you that some of the images we're about to see are graphic and disturbing. every day, more bodies of civilians are found, lining the streets or in basements. many of the bodies show signs of
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torture. some with bound hands or close-range gunshot wounds. others were reportedly thrown into mass graves. moscow calls the reports of bucha fake and accuses ukraine of staging the scenes. but these satellite pictures from u.s. intelligence contractor maxar and an analysis by "the new york times" appear to corroborate the reports and videos of bodies lying in the streets out in the open for weeks, refuting russia's claim that bodies were put in the streets after russian forces withdrew from the area. the violent images from bucha now sending shock waves throughout the world and in washington, president biden is now calling for vladimir putin to face a war crimes trial. but he fell short of defining it as a genocide. the u.s. is pushing to suspend russia from the u.n. human rights council, a general assembly vote on whether to do so come -- could come as soon as thursday. joining us now, nbc news national correspondent, gabe
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gutierrez in lviv. amna nawarez and jeff twitty, the former deputy commander of the united states european command. thank you for being with us this morning. gabe, what do we expect to hear from zelenskyy this morning? >> reporter: hi, there, jose. good morning. we actually just moved from lviv in western ukraine. we're now in central ukraine, where ukrainians are expressing mounting outrage over those images out of bucha. and yes, as you said, president zelenskyy now set to address the u.n. security council. we're expecting to hear more from president zelenskyy about those alleged war crimes in that area. he has been saying and he said in an address overnight how he expects the death toll actually in several of the surrounding communities, around the capital of kyiv, to have a higher death toll. he says, it's possible, than in bucha. and jose, this is something that
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we have been hearing from many ukrainians. that they expect to hear what happened in bucha to be the tip of the iceberg. especially with russian forces continuing to push to the east and to the south, and continuing to encircle the besieged city of mariupol, which is roughly ten times the size of bucha. and from where we are having such a difficult time getting images from that area. so, expect today and the u.n. security council meeting to shortly, as president zelenskyy addresses the body, to hear him stress that the west needs to do more, as he has been saying, pushing for more sanctions. and also more weapons, jose. >> you know, gabe, as we see these pictures out of bucha, it seems as though in parts of the main avenues and streets, there were some very intense battles. i mean, tanks that are blown up, armored personnel carriers that are blown up. and of course, houses and tanks, you know, gasoline tankers are
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just blown up. but what's particularly strike about this is that the death that we're seeing are civilians. >> reporter: yes, of course, jose. this was, you know, an area that was taken over by russian troops. and we see the evidence of, you know, the russian troops essentially hit a brick wall. we've been hearing that ukrainian forces fought back and ma managed to repel those russian forces and according to a military analyst, the russians decided to fall pack. and we're hearing from u.s. officials that those russian forces, some of them pushed back into belarus as they resupplied, reequipped themselves, and they're expected to head to the eastern part of the country. but, yes, jose, what has really struck the world so deeply and has outraged so many as world leaders are speaking out about the atrocities in bucha is those civilians, those images of civilians on the streets, some
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with their hands tied behind their backs. and it is just so disturbing, because it, you know, it appears, and, you know, the international criminal court is investigating the issue of war crimes. and world leaders, including president biden have spoken out forcefully against this. and it should be interesting to see what happens in this u.n. security council meeting, because the u.s., britain and france, are expected to present evidence of war crimes. but what, if anything, will happen? will any concrete measures be taken because of the veto power of russia and china on the u.n. security council. as we await to hear president zelenskyy's comments, those images of bucha are resonating around the world and we're expecting to see more images over next coming days of some of those surrounding areas in and around kyiv. hearing reports of a mayor in a town near kyiv, it's another suburb, that was left in a shallow grave, along with part of his family.
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just awful, horrific stories coming out of that area, in a place where we are starting, now that russian forces have pulled out, we are starting to see that some of that firsthand, jose. >> it's just horrible. and general, i'm just wondering, when you see these images of bucha, in what clearly was parts of it, were, you know, a battle field. but, when you see these images, general, what do you see? >> i see a couple of things. first, as you take a look at the images, you can see there's a fierce battle between the ukrainians and the russian forces. where the russians were clearly defeated and it looked like they were ambushed significantly. when that happens, the russian soldiers get very angry and they probably took their anger out on the civilians, because they could not defeat the ukrainian people, so they went after
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innocent civilians. and as you know, throughout this war, it's been about going after the civilians to break the will of the people. that's what i see here. i want to remind all of us that this behavior is common, by the russians. go back to 1994 in grozny. same thing occurred where they took behavior out on the civilian populous. more recently in syria, in aleppo, the same thing. they have a total disregard for human my, total disregard for the rule of law. and a total disregard for the laws of armed conflict. >> yeah, and how the russians have treated ukrainians, you know, for decades is almost like a pattern. general, what do you -- and thank you for explaining that, because it does seem very clear that they were ambushed in those avenues. so militarily, they just didn't
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know how to carry out this mission. but then, it seems clear that they took it out, then, on the civilians. what do you want, general, to hear from zelenskyy today? >> let me just hit on a couple of points. >> this is an unprofessionalized military that we're dealing here. i want you to think about the accountability. in most professional militaries, there would be accountability. you would have a non-commissioned officer core, first. an officer core and generals out there with a command and control structure that would be clamoring right now for an investigation. their own internal investigation. we hear none of that from the russians. they're calling it fake news. what they should be asking for is an international investigation and their own internal investigation. and so to get to your point, what i hope to hear is that we're going to put full strength
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behind getting an international investigation here, so we can document all of these claims and make sure that there is an international investigation associated, not only with bucha, but for all of these atrocities that have occurred. the second thing i'm looking -- >> go ahead. go ahead. i'm sorry. >> the second thing i'm looking to hear, and i think this section was spot-on, that we're going to continue to support, apply sanctions, and continue to support the ukrainians with all of the resources that they need, not only to defend themselves, but to win this fight. >> so, amna, what kind of sanctions, new sanctions could the u.s. and the eu be considering now that we have seen the bucha massacre?
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>> reporter: jose, there's always room to keep growing and increasing the pressure on the russian economy and on the russian leaders, and those elites in power who continue to enable putin. senior officials and european officials tell me, there's always more to be done. key to that, central to that, of course, is trying to cut their dependency on russian oil and natural gas. that's a bigger piece of the equation that will take a longer time to solve, but it is under discussion, and was see germany in particular, in europe's largest economy that is highly dependent on russia for those energy splice, doing what it can to both mitigate what they anticipate could be damage if russia does turn off the taps, but trying to lay the groundwork to move away from russia as the source of that energy. but i want to point out, to build on what the general and gabe were reporting from the field, we should say in the united nations human rights offices have reviewed those same images we're all seeing from across the world, says they're extremely disturbing, and a
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spokeswoman says it points towards civilians being directly targeted in those towns. and a spokeswoman says it appears to be the direct killing and targeting of civilians in bucha. that would be against international human tlarn. we've all seen these images. people who appear to have been shot while riding on a bicycle. people whose hands are bound and appeared to then have been killed. there many more images that we have all seen, journalists who are following this, that we're not able to show here. and from those images, it's really hard to argue though those deaths were a result of any type of military target. that deliberate killing, that intent, that would constitute a war crime. we should note that the u.s. officials and others have been very hesitant to call it a genocide, as president zelenskyy has, because that's a legal determination that requires a very lengthy process, a lot of data and evidence that they need to build up over time. the u.s. just recently declared it was a genocide against
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rohingya muslims in burma, but that was a very long process that it took to get there. they want to be careful about making that type of designation. but they do think these images change the equation. they're taking them into account when they decide what type of steps, including harsher sanctions, to take moving forward. >> and amna, thank you for mentioning that. we're not able to show some of the, just some of the images that are just -- we can't air them. i mean, men, women, children appear to be tortured, raped, they even killed all the dogs. there are many of the dogs in bucha. we've witnessed evidence of war crimes in other places at other times, i'm thinking syria, right? very limited international consequences. could this time be different? >> well, if you ask president biden and members of his administration, he says, there has to be accountability. certainly, i think you can look more broadly at the way that the world, the u.s., western forces in particular have responded to this war. and it is different from wars in
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other places. war on the european continent, for the time in 70 years, has woken up the transatlantic alliance, because it is directly threatening their flank. and so, maybe, yes, maybe something will be different. the question is, how they move forward. when president biden has been asked about it specifically, of course, the icc is one venue, one forum, those kind of charges could move forward. but administration officials also say that they are exploring other options. the united nations' security council, of course, is a complicated matter, because russia sits as a permanent member and would obviously be using its veto power if anyone tried to move forward with those kinds of options there. but they are exploring options. i think one of the key things i also want to stress to your viewers right now is u.s. officials have really changed their language to talk about a much-longer timeline. they know those sanctions will take time to hit, as one senior european official told me yesterday. they also know that russia is not going to be changing its tactics.
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so, unfortunately, as president zelenskyy has also pointed out, as we're now getting more visibility into parts of this war that we have not seen. the reporting has been very fragmented, i think we should prepare for similar images and similar atrocities and horrors to reveal themselves in the days and weeks ahead. >> amna nawaz, thank you all for being with us this morning. i want to talk more about this with maryland senator chris von haaland, a member of the foreign relations committee is with us this morning. senator, it's always a pleasure to see you. i'm just wondering, when you see what's going out in these images from bucha, and gabe gutierrez is heading over to parts that until now have not had cameras in, what do you see? what do you feel? what do you think? >> well, jose, it's good to be with you. and what we're seeing are just grotesque images of putin's
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depravity, and the russian force's depravity. no respect for civilian human life. and it does call for accountability. i'm glad the u.n. security council will be taking this up. today in the united states senate, i'm teaming up with senator joni ernst. we're introducing legislation to strip russia of its participation on the united nations' human rights council, to kick them out of the t-20, and interpol. and the biden administration has also been pushing on the u.n. human rights council. so we've got to isolate putin. we have to make clear that these -- that this conduct is unacceptable. and that they will become a pariah state. >> when you look at places like the united nations human rights council, where russia sits, china sits, venezuela sits, cuba sits, these aren't exactly poster children for human rights activists.
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what, senator, do you think could or should be done outside of these united nations organizations, to really make putin responsible for some of the things that we're seeing in ukraine? >> well, i think the international criminal court, as you've been discussing, is the primary forum here. and that's why it's essential to collect evidence, which we're seeing before our eyes, clearly implicates him in war crimes. but the other thing, jose, we've got to keep the pressure on. what putin ultimately will have to deal with is the fact that the ukrainians have pushed back harder than he ever expected. we've got to continue to supply them with weapons. we've got to s-300s, the additional 1-300s in there. we have providing things like switchblades, these drones that
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can hover, find artillery positions and then attack. and we need to increase the sanctions. the biden administration has been working with our european and other partners to bear down more on sanctions. i think we need more block sanctions on russian banks. i saw today that the european union is talking about banning importations of russian coal. so we need to continue to press on all fronts. >> senator, you're a student of history. how do you see this ending? >> well, that's a very good question. i think it only ends at the point that putin concludes that he's unable to, you know, secure his goals. and he's already been unable to secure his goal of taking over kyiv. it now looks like he's going to, you know, try to secure some of the territories in eastern ukraine, you know, possibly down along the coast of the black sea. that's why we've got to make
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sure that we're providing weapons to ukraine, to prevent him from achieving that. putin will have to look for some kind of face-saving out, ultimately, but i think we're still a very long ways from there. we keep hearing indications that there may be talks going on. turkey is trying to broker talks. but this is one of those points where you just keep pushing hard on putin. that's the only way to get there, in the end. >> and senator, on another subject, you met with supreme court nominee judge ketanji brown jackson yesterday afternoon. how did it go and how do you see this process going? >> well, i had a great meeting. she's an extraordinary nominee for the supreme court of the united states. i'm confident that she will have the votes. by thursday or friday, we expect to vote. you know, her brother is, you know, from my state of baltimore, from my state of
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maryland. he was a police officer in baltimore, so we talked about that connection. and we also talked about the fact that the very first african-american supreme court justice, thurgood marshall, hailed from baltimore. and i was just recently at the elementary school where he learned to read and write, and it's a run down building, and we're working now to get federal funds to turn that into a community center. so i invited her, when she gets settled, to come join me there. this is a great nomination. and she's going to make us all proud. >> senator chris van hollen, it's always a pleasure to see you. thank you very much for your time. >> great to be with you. thanks. coming up, as we await zelenskyy's remarks, we'll talk to a former war crimes prosecutor about bringing these people who did this to justice. next. plus, another trump family member expected to go before the january 6th committee today. we'll tell you who, next. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports." , next you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports.
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23 past the hour. breaking news and it's first to nbc news. ivanka trump expected to appear before the house january 6th committee today, according to three sources. senior capitol hill correspondent, garrett haake, who broke the story, joins us this morning. garrett, how critical is this testimony? >> reporter: well, jose, it has the potential to be extremely critical. the committee believes that ivanka trump, who's not just the
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president's daughter. she was also a senior adviser, has critical information about the president's state of mind, leading up to the attack on the 6th, during that day itself, and even in the aftermath between the 6th and inauguration day, when he became former president trump, ivanka trump has mentioned several times in either the depositions or the open source reporting of others who the committee has talked to or been interested in as being the person who was sent in to try to calm her father during the attack, or to try to get him to intervene and stop the attack. he's someone who might have that critical information that is missing. that gap hour or gap several hours during the day on the 6th, where we know that president trump was making phone calls. we know he was reaching out to some people, but we don't have the diaries, we don't have the logs. the committee has this black hole that they need to fill in and ivanka trump may be the only person that could help them fill in some of those gaps. and her husband, jared kushner,
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and other family members,/senior adviser, testified last week for more than six hours. i think that probably raises the likelihood in committee members and staff members' mind. that they might actually get something useful out of ivanka trump today. >> garrett haake on capitol hill. thank you so much. returning now to our coverage of the war in ukraine, just moments ago, secretary of state tony blinken called for everyone responsible for the alleged russian brutality in the town of bucha to be held accountable. >> what we've seen in bucha is not the random act of a rogue unit. it's a deliberate campaign to kill, to torture, to rape, to commit atrocities. the reports are more than credible. the evidence is there for the world to sea. one way or another, one day or another, there is accountability, for those who committed these attacks, for those who ordered them. >> and joining us now to talk
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about this is ambassador pierre browchard prosper. paint a picture for us of what and how are war crimes, genocide, massacres, how are they defined and different? >> good morning. and thank you for having me. well, all of these are defined by way of international conventions that go back to really around the 1800s, 1907. and we're all familiar with the geneva convention and the genocide convention. genocide is basically a crime where you have the intent to destroy a group in who or in part. crimes against humanity is widespread, systemic attack against a civilian population. and in war crimes are basically violations of the laws of war. war is legal, but you have to fight it in a disciplined and
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appropriate way and you can't kill civilians. you can't kill soldiers who have surrendered. >> so, ambassador, when we see bucha. and again, this is weeks after it happened. there are still bodies on the ground. they killed dogs, men, women, and children are still being found, either in mass graves or in basements. mutilated, raped. the list is horrendously long. when you see this, ambassador, from a distance, what do you see? >> when i look at the images that are emerging, it is very apparent to me that war crimes are being committed. it is obvious with the targeting of civilian facilities, the targeting of the civilian population, the summary execution of men, whether they're fighting men or not, is irrelevant. what we're finding is that there is an undisciplined approach here. and this undisciplined approach by the russians is clearly
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coming from the top and coming from putin. so it is something that needs to be investigated. and there needs to be accountability to not only to send a message to the russian forces and the russian leaders, but a message to the world, that this type of behavior will not be tolerated. >> there has been accountability in the past. very limited in nature, right? i'm thinking of some serbs, et cetera. but when zelenskyy says, and he calls what happened in bucha genocide, president biden has said that it's a war crime, that putin is a war criminal. what, ambassador, would be a clear-cut case of genocide? how would that be defined? >> well, genocide is a -- will be a process for a definition, but genocide is basically, you have to show that the individual
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had the intent to destroy a group, a national ethnic, racial, religious group. to basically eliminate that group, destroy that group, in whole or in part. and what that means is that the type of attacks have to be such where you're killing the population. you're destroying its cultural infrastructure, you're transferring children from one group to another. basically, you're trying to make that group immaterial to you and to the rest of the world. it is something where evidence may be pointing in that direction, but you do have to show that that was the intent of the perpetrator. now, what we have here, there are calls for genocide. i think right now, we should not be focused on the labels. we should be focused on the actions of what is happening. and then, once we are able to collect the evidence, we can see if what is happening here actually amounts to genocide or is crimes against humanity or war crimes. either way, the punishment
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should be the same. the punishment should be a severe punishment, so that we make sure that we set a precedent that this does not happen again. >> ambassador, what kind of a punishment could come out of this? >> well, for this -- in the case of russia, what we need are two essentially things. we need political courage and political will. and those are two different things. you need the courage of the leaders, the international community, to actually step up and move towards some sort of accountability mechanism. and then you need the political will to enforce that accountability mechanism. so hopefully, and i heard the national security adviser speak yesterday. and i heard others. hopefully, that there are discussions regarding finding a mechanism that will work. they all have their strengths and they all have their weaknesses. whether it's the international criminal court or an ad hoc mechanism that could be created. but for anything to happen,
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everyone needs to step up, and i think we will start seeing where the world stands as we begin to move to discussions in the united nations, regarding removing russia from the human rights council. >> yep. ambassador pierre ruchard prosper, thank you so much. we're waiting for president zelenskyy to hear his remarks before the u.n. security council. you're seeing these pictures from the u.n. city council. these are different people speaking before president zelenskyy is to speak. we'll bring you those images to you up next live. but first, judge ketanji brown jackson, republicans breaking rank to support her. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports." er you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports. bipolar depression. it made me feel trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real stories of bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dark place. latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms.
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contributor. jake, it's great seeing you. what happens next in this confirmation process? >> reporter: so, there's going to be a cloture vote. that is a procedural vote that cuts off debate, that's expected to happen today. tomorrow, there's no action. just a day kind of layover, according to the senate rules. and on thursday or friday, we'll have to see what kind of deal chuck schumer can cut with mitch mcconnell over just the time constraints for this nomination. there will be a final vote and chuck schumer just moments ago said from the senate floor that by the end of this week, it will be justice ketanji brown jackson. so really, just a lot of optimism. and rightly placed that they'll be able to get this done this week. >> reporter: so there is a possibility that there could be some obstructionary processes in place to hold this back? >> yeah, so there are 30 hours after cloture is invoked. after this vote happens on thursday, but both sides have the opportunity to take up. republicans could force the 30
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hours to be eaten up, which would push the vot until friday morning. but, listen, this is about to be a congressional recess, and these people want to get home. nothing congress loves more than getting away from washington for their time off. >> and jake, do you think any republicans may be announcing support for judge jackson? >> i think this is all she wrote. i think this is it. i think there are these three. it's going to be 53-47, presuming that everybody shows up for the vote that day, which, by the way, is a pretty good outcome for joe biden. joe biden has said that he wanted this to be a bipartisan vote. he's going to get that bipartisan vote, with kind of very little drama around it. >> and jake, right now, defense secretary austin and joint chiefs chairman milly are talking about the white house's 2023 budget requests. republicans have already attacked the $773 billion defense budget as insufficient. what's the importance of this testimony today? >> well, they have to sway the committees on spending that much money. but quite frankly, they're under
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pressure from the left, which believes it's too much money. the right, which believes it's too little money. which probably means it's just the right amount of money, to be honest with you. but let's be clear. these budgets don't mean much. they are often altered when it comes to the spending process, getting those spending bills through congress. and this is not last word on the defense budget. >> and then another thing up on the weekend, the $10,000 covid prep bill. >> reporter: so they'll have to pass this at some point. i just caught up one-on-one with speaker nancy pelosi who told me that this was not the last word when it came to covid relief. she is going to push for another funding bill later this spring or this summer, but i expect -- i'm not sure that this is going to get through this week. i expect that this will get through at some point, but there are a lot of people on capitol hill who suggest that this is -- there's a lot of momentum at this point behind this bill, so they want to get it through this week, but, again, there's just so many things going on on capitol hill between ketanji
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brown jackson's nomination and other legislatei items that they want to get done on friday that it could slip for a couple of weeks. >> jake sherman, thank you so much for being with us. coming up, russian forces on the move in ukraine, this as president zelenskyy is about to speak at the u.n. council. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. g diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. (cto) ♪ i want the world. ♪ ♪ i want the whole world. ♪ (ceo) ♪ i want today. ♪ ♪ i want tomorrow. ♪ (dispatch) ♪ i want it noooooow! ♪ (vo) get 5g that's ready right now. this is vuity™, the first and only fda approved eye-drop that improves age-related blurry near vision. wait, what? it sounded like you just said an eye drop that may help you see up close. i did. it's an innovative way to... so, wait. i don't always have to wear reading glasses? yeah! vuity™ helps you see up close. so, i can see up close with just my eyes? uh-huh. with one drop in each eye, once daily.
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[ speaking foreign language ] >> translator: -- houses blowing up grenades. the civilians were crushed by tanks while sitting in their cars in the middle of the road. just for their pleasure. they cut off limbs, cut their throats, slashed their throats. women were raped and killed in front of their children. their tongues were pulled out, only because the aggressor did not hear what they wanted to hear from them. so this is no different from other terrorists, such as daesh,
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who occupied some territories. and here it is done by a member of the united nations security council, destroying internal borders, countries, and taking the right of more than a dozen countries who are self-determined. they pursue consistent policy of destroying ethnic and religious diversity, and then enflame wars and deliberately lead them in such a way that to kill as many regular civilians and cities, to leave the country where they deployed their troops in ruins and filled with mass graves. you all see that. and they support hatred at the level of the state and seek to export it to other countries through their system of propaganda and political corruption. they provoke a global food crisis that could lead to famine
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in africa, asia, and other countries and will surely and in large case political in many countries, and destroying their domestic security. so where is the security that the security council needs to guarantee? it's not there. although there is a security council, so where is the peace? what -- where are those guarantees that the united nations need to guarantee? it is obvious that the key institution of the world, which must ensure the coercion of any aggressor to peace, simply cannot work effectively. now, the world can see that the russian -- what russian military did in bucha, while keeping the city under their occupation, but the world has yet to see what they have done in other occupied cities and regions of our country.
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geography might be different, but cruelty is the same. crimes are the same, and accountability must be inevitable. ladies and gentlemen, i would like to remind you of article i, chapter i, of the u.n. charter. what is the purpose of our organization? its purpose is to maintain peace and make sure that peace is adhered to. and now the u.n. charter is violated literally, starting with article i. and if so, what is the pint of all other articles? today, as a result of russia's actions in our country, in ukraine, the most terrible war crimes of all times are -- we see since the end of world war ii, and they are being committed. russian troops are deliberately destroying ukrainian cities to ashes by with artillery and air
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strikes. they are deliberately blocking city, creating mass starvation. they delivered to shoot columns of civilians on the road, trying to escape from the territory of hostilities. they even deliberately blow up shelters, where civilians hide from air strikes. they are deliberately creating conditions in the temporarily occupied territories, so that as many civilians as possible are killed there. the massacre in our city of bucha is only one, unfortunately, only one of many examples of what the occupiers have been doing on our land for the past 41 days. and there are many more cities, similar places, where the world has yet to learn the full truth. mariupol, car kyiv, dozens other ukrainian communities, each of them is similar to bucha. i know, and you know perfectly well, what the representatives of russian will say in response
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to the accusations of these crimes. they have said that many times. the most significant was, after they were shooting down of the malaysian boeing over donbas, by russian forces, with russian weapons, or during the war in syria. they will blame everyone, just to justify their own actions. they will say that there are various versions, different versions, and it is impossible to establish which one of those versions is truth. they will even say that the bodies of those killed were allegedly thrown away and all of these details are staged. but it is 2022 now. we have conclusive evidence, so there are satellite images. we can conduct full and transparent investigation that this is what we are interested in. maximum access for journalists. maximum cooperation with international institutions.
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involvement of the international criminal court. complete truth and full accountability. i'm sure that every member state of the u.n. should be interested in this. for what? in order to punish, once and for all, those who consider themselves privileged and believe that they can get away with anything. so, show all the other potential criminals in the world how they will be punished, if the biggest one is punished, then everyone is punished. and why did ukraine come to ukraine? i will tell you. because russia -- russia's leadership feels like colonizers in ancient time. they need our wealth, our people. russia has already deported hundreds of thousands of our citizens to their country. they adopted more than 200,000 children, just simply adopted
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that. those children continue to do so. russia wants to turn ukraine into silent slaves. the russian military looting openly the cities and villages that they have captured. this is why it's called looting. they are stealing everything, starting with food and ending with earrings, gold earrings that are pulled out and covered with blood. we are dealing with a state that is turning the veto into the u.n. security council into the right to die. this undermines the whole architecture of global security. it allows them to go unpunished, so they are destroying everything that they can. so if this continues, the countries will be, rely only on the power of their own arms to ensure their security, and not on international law, not rely
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on international institutions. the united nations can be simply closed, ladies and gentlemen, are you ready to close the u.n.? do you think that the time of international law is gone. if your answer is no, then you need to act immediately. the u.n. charter must be restored immediately. the u.n. system must be reformed immediately, so that the it is not the right to die. that there is rare representation of all region in the world. they must be brought to peace immediately. the massacre from syria to somalia, from afghanistan to yemen and libya, that should have been stopped a long time ago, to tell the truth. if tyranny had had received a response to the war, we had
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reached, it would have ceased to exist and peace would be guaranteed after it and the world would have changed for sure. and perhaps there would not be war in my country against our people. against ukrainian people, against our citizens. but the world watched and did not want to see it, either the occupation of crimea or the war against georgia or taking the entire transgression from moldova, and how russia was preparing the basis for other conflicts and wars near their borders. how to stop it? right away, the russian military and goes who gave them orders must be brought to justice immediately for war crimes in ukraine. anyone who has given criminal orders and carried out them by killing our people will be
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brought before the tribunal, which should be similar to the nuremberg ttribunals. there's been punishment for war crimes in world war ii. those men did not go unpunished. nobody of them escaped the punishment. but the main thing is today, it's time to transform this system of the united nations. so, therefore, i propose to convene a global conference and we can do it in peaceful cave, in order to determine how we're going to reform the world security system, how we will rely -- how do we establish guarantee of recognition of borders and integrity of states and countries. how we will assert the rule of
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international law. it is now clear that the set in san francisco in 1945, for the creation of a global security international has not been achieved. it is impossible to achieve them without reforms. therefore, we must do everything in our power to pass on to the next generation an effective u.n., with the ability to respond preventively to security challenges and thus guarantee peace, prevent aggression and force aggressors to peace. have the determination and the ability to punish if the principles of peace are violated. there can be no more exceptions of privileges. everybody must be equal. all participants of international relations, regardless of economic strength, geographical area and individual ambitions.
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the power of peace must be dominant. the power of justice and the security power, as humanity has always dreamed of it. ukraine is ready to provide a platform for the newly updated system, similar to the geneva office, that deals with human rights or the nairobi office that deals with environmental protection. and we can have a new office that can specialize in preventive measures to retain peace. i want to remind you of our peaceful mission in afghanistan, when we, ukrainians, evacuated that country, more than 1,000 people, at our own expense. it was a difficult phase. and ukraine came to their help. we took in people of different nationalities, ethnic groups, afghan citizens of european
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countries, u.s., canada. we did not care if it was one of our own or somebody else, we helped everyone. we saved everyone. if there was a need, everyone in the world would be confident that help would come. the world would be safer. therefore, ukraine has the moral right of propose a reform of the world security system. we have proven that we help others, not only half the time, but in dark times, too. now, we need decisions for security council for peace in ukraine. if you do not know how to make this decision, you can do two things. either remove russia as an aggressor and a source of war, so we cannot block decisions about its own aggression, its own war. then, do everything that we can
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do to establish peace. or, the other option is please show how we can reform or change and work for peace. or if there is no alternative or no option, the next option would be dissolve yourself altogether. and i know that you can admit that if there is nothing that you can do, besides conversation. we need peace. ukraine needs peace. europe needs peace. and the world needs peace. and finally, i would kindly ask you very much to watch this short video. please give us one more minute of your time. the video that we want to show, that one, one country can
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violate rights. and that's the result of being unpunished. if possible, please watch this video because it is impossible to get everyone to come to our country and see it with your own eyes. therefore, i would ask you to watch this video. thank you very much. >> i'm not sure about the video. is it just coming?
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>> -- applauded to the technician of the security council. they have it in their possession. >> i will sort that one out, technically. we don't have the video. so, i propose that while we sort that out, i thank his excellency, mr. zelenskyy. we will come back to the video when we have sorted out the technical issues around it. and may i say, speaking in my national capacity, may i express appreciation to the president for his leadership in wartime and for the extraordinary fortitude and bravery of the ukrainian people under this unprovoked and illegal invasion.
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i resume my function as the president of the security council. and while we sort out the technical video, i propose to give the floor to those council members who wish to make statements. and i now give the floor to the representative of the united states. >> thank you, madame president. let me also start by thanking uae and the ambassador for her successful presidency during the month of march. madame president, as you begin your security council presidency, i want to thank the united kingdom for your leadership and for organizing this vital discussion on ukraine today. i also want to thank the secretary-general for his remarks and the other briefers. and i'd like to extend a warm welcome to president zelenskyy. i was so moved by the address he
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made recently to our congress. and we're truly honored by his presence here under the circumstances that he and ukraine face today. madame president, last night, i returned from a trip to moldova and romania. i saw with my own eyes the refugee crisis caused by russia's unconscionable war. i spoke to refugees who indicated to me their desires to return to their home. and we've all seen the images on tv, of the bombed-out buildings. but what we have not seen is that behind those destroyed buildings are destroyed lives and destroyed families. i met with women and children who had fled ukraine, who stuffed their lives into


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