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thank you for letting us into your homes during these truly extraordinary times. we're is agrateful. "the beat" with ari melber starts now. >> welcome, everyone. we're tracking a lot of developing news including something that democrats have been downright excited about, president obama returning to the white house for the first time since leaving office to join with president biden. the two are linked in so many ways. we'll get into that with a special guest tonight. it's going to be pretty interesting and we'll get to it as big news. we start with what might be larger news for washington, ivanka trump speaking to the january 6th committee. now let me tell you about what she's doing here. this was a big one. she is basically breaking her
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silence and addressing the committee about many of the questions about january 6th. indeed, if you recall the way this has been going, we've had white house aides held in contempt recently all because they say they have privilege, in the white house so much that they know things that they possibly could not possible reveal to the committee. and yet here we are witnessing something. the president's daughter and chief aide there in the white house for all four years going out to talk to the committee. in many ways, let me show you what is in a letter to ivanka seeking the kind of information they want. i should mention in many ways she's detonating the privilege claims of people like peter navarro. the democrats and republicans want to know about the conversations she observed between president trump and mike pence that very pivotal morning of the 6th as well as any assistance she provided in trying to make donald trump address the violence.
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they also have questions about trump's state of mind the days after the insurrection, the committee honing in on trump's closer inner circle with a mass save cache of evidence as the panel vows to keep digging. >> we're interested in talking to individuals who were in and around the former president and the white house during this important time, during january 5th and 6th, as well as the lead-up in the many events that were orchestrated by those who were close to the former president. >> individuals who were in and around the former president. take a look at a video where ivanka trump was standing next to president trump january 6th before he went to stage, before he went out on that stage to speak to the crowd of supporters who then marched on the caitol on the breach. this is my point, she was will, not peter navarro, not steve bannon but ivanka trump.
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there is another family member. she could shed light on what took place in the seven-plus hours january 6th. her voluntary testimony puts pressure on anyone else stonewalling the committee. that's the big point you don't need to be a lawyer or expert on to understand, this committee has basically secured the cooperation of the vast majority of people it has summoned, including a lot of people in and around trump world. we spoke with one just last week, you may recall if you watched "the beat" one of the rally organizers. she cooperated. jared kushner recently cooperated, ivanka trump cooperating. if anyone has any potentially valid claim to some white house executive privilege, it would be people like ivanka and jared trump. they were white house aides to the end. steve bannon wasn't. they were with donald trump those days in a way steve bannon wasn't. what are they saying and doing? they're saying well let's just cooperate.
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they're saying they don't have any special privilege to shield them from cooperating. what's steve bannon doing? testing this for some other reasons only he knows. he's invited back on "the beat" if he wants to explain them. he's trying to pick a fight with the government, the legislative and executive branch with this new attorney general to take this all away to trial, to risk himself going to jail. whatever the reason is, because i'm not here to speculate, i could tell you, according to trump's daughter what the reason isn't. it ain't executive privilege. i want to bring in our guest staff writer for the "new york times" magazine emily baslan and editor-at-large with the the bullwork, ed kristol. as a veteran of the white house, bill, what does it tell you where the kids, i don't say it pejoratively the kids and the children of donald trump, son-in-law of donald trump, the staff, family members are
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testifying, where does that tell you about these possibly more political fights that the ban none and navarros are picking? >> it tells me bannon and navarro and others involved in the whole conspiracy for two months to overturn the election are more worried about their legal exposure and political exposure than ivanka trump who will shed light presumably on what her father was doing that afternoon. she went in twice to urge him to make a statement, she's confirming some of that reporting between when he went back from the rally and 10:00 p.m. until he finally put out that video after 4:00 p.m. that's pretty damaging, from my point of view, to president trump, he's the president of the united states and doing nothing to stop a terrible riot that's going on in the capitol. but she probably figures honestly, that's kind of known and she can dot a few is and cross a few ts on that.
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she wasn't involved in the actual conspiracy. i talked to people close to the committee. this was a real plot, the president, trump plot but also a plot of trump associates in congress, trump associates in the activist world, steve bannon world, the legal world, the john eastman world, these people were all working together to overturn the election, and that raises real legal questions. if you're in the middle the way bannon and roger stone was, you really don't want to be answering all the questions. ivanka trump can testify to her father's dereliction of duty on january 6th, probably was not as much part of this, truly more serious part of it, the two-month attempt to overturn the election of the president of the united states. >> it's very interesting what you say there, bill. i made a point of saying i can't claim to know what's inside bannon's mind and his reason but you say the evidence suggests the reason is culpability, guilt in the actual activity of this, which is why he and navarro
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might reach for anything including thin claims of privilege, how privileged is it if donald trump won't dash off an email or have someone else do it for him, yeah, i claim privilege. he hasn't done that as with congressman schiff last week. you make interesting points, bill, and that really goes to what they thought they could pull off. so i'm going to do a follow-up to bill and then bring emily in. just on the goals, let's remember, the capitol police were completely outmaneuvered and overwhelmed with the federal government run by donald trump that wasn't helping secure the building. they did get ordered by that night. it is not far-fetched to imagine that a few more people show up to washington and a few more people go inside the capitol or they start torching the place or god forbid do other active physical things they could not have returned that night and let's be clear, you wake up on january 7th, all of these claims are as bankrupt and legally invalid as they were the day
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before, but the difference is, the certification didn't happen. so what navaro and bannon and others said might sound far-fetched suddenly becomes just a little more inside the overton window of the certification didn't happen yesterday so it is still technically open. maybe it does need to go back to the state legislatures. did the people you talked to see it as they had a method to secure something over those next two weeks and actually keep trump in office? >> i think they think it's much more the case that the riot was the sort of last gasp and hoping to delay it and get the fake claim and all that but their hope is with pence. think of the eastman memo, think of the pressure they were putting on him politically, think of everything with the state legislatures first to say oh, no, that's not the right vote from pennsylvania than it was with members of congress and the courts and pence all in some different combinations, once pence said he wasn't going to do it, once it was clear there were
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only nine republican senators to do it, however despicable 140 house republicans voted to overturn, it wasn't going to be enough, that's the core of the conspiracy and de-minimized the riot, that was horrible and terrible in so many ways and ref latory of the resort to violence that trump world and the alt right world is willing to engage in but i think that was the last gasp of what was a much more serious in a way, much more thought through and developed, for all of its kookiness to subvert the election of the president. >> emily? >> i think it matters that ivanka was in the room on the morning of january 6th, when former president trump is on the phone to vice president, former vice president mike pence asking him not to certify the results. that seems like an important witness. now, you know, this is for dad. i can't imagine she wants to damn him by talking about the
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idea he was derelict in his duty but there was another person, a general in the room who has already testified about what that conversation, what he remembers from it, and so i would think that that would put ivanka trump in this position where she has to give some kind of account of what she heard and she has to make sure that it doesn't put her in a position where she's lying to congress about what happened. she's going to be under oath. you get in trouble for lying to congress, and so at least in that moment, she can convey a piece of knowledge that seems to matter to the committee for obvious reasons and also she's going to have to give some kind of credible realistic account of what happened i would think. >> right, and that goes to the value of some of those individuals. as for where donald trump comes down, bill, he's never been that consistent with his lies but he lied a lot about winning the election and now for whatever
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reason has a slightly different tune. take a listen. >> when i didn't win the election, by not winning the election and then when the election was rigged and lost -- >> you see anything there, bill? >> i mean, he knows he did not win the election, it's been a lie all along and what's so amazing is we have so many tens of millions of americans pushed of course by fox news and by others and a good chunk of the republican party, seems almost increasing chunk amazingly to stay alive in the republican party, you have to sign onto the lie that trump knows is a lie and they know, leaders know is a lie. that's so damaging to the country. >> yes. so emily, how do you contrast as mentioned what you're getting from some of these individuals who as i have stressed would have executive privilege claims in a way that navaro probably doesn't, how does that isolate bannon and navarro, what is the legal outlook for the bannon
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trial if by the time it comes around, there may or may not be a committee still operating? >> right. they're running out of clock, that's a good option, tried and true. i still don't understand why they don't have to show up. i understand not answering some questions, because of executive privilege, and arguing over the specifics, not showing up at all is a different kind of move to make. i just think it puts them -- it makes their position harder to defend in court. >> yes, bill, anything on all of that? >> you guys are the lawyers, doesn't the ex-president in this case claiming he has the ability to do so have to invoke executive privilege? i worked in the white house. i can't say i decide i'm invoking executive privilege. ist just chief of staff to the vice president. president bush could have, crazy kind of aal gee but if someone asked me to testify afterwards and president bush said no, you shouldn't testify about that.
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trump hasn't invoked doesn't seem executive privilege. >> no, he hasn't. >> they could have run out the clock and win the house, the whole thing is going away. no one is ever prosecuting anybody. >> i think that's right. i'll let emily answer as well since you reversed it and hosting "the beat" for a few minutes i'll answer the question to you. i think i'm kidding but i do think it's deliberately lawless and defiant. what you see with bannon not saying we're going to play by the rules which is in essence validating the authority legitimacy of this committee which validates the fact it was a horrific and violent insurrection but playing into the idea it's made up. there meadows what everyone thinks of him, mr. meadows has not been indicted, and if that continues, if he is never indicted, that is the justice department in a way, i don't want to overstate it but in a wayside ing siding with him or
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his positions potential credible which is different than what merrick garland is determined about bannon he's as charged a criminal and the jury will have the final say. mr. meadows did engage. the second thing i'll say about bill enemily gets the last word is, bill is reminding viewers he was chief of staff to the vice president. that's an important role. the vice president picks the next president regardless of the election. >> right. >> i don't know about history. >> isn't it a classic trump move not to invoke executive privilege yourself and have your underlings assert it? in terms of public perception you're not playing defense, you pretend the whole thing isn't there and leave it to other people to take the stand. if you succeed in running out the clock and the republicans win the house and this investigation doesn't progress to any kind of real prosecution, then you win. >> right, as you say, you're
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describing a cynical or anti-legal approach but giving insight into why they're playing it this way and again why if you're joining us a couple minutes into the hour tonight why you have trump's family, daughter and son-in-law validating the legitimacy of the january 6th committee, testifying, telling stories while some of these other white house aides who bill called the real coup plotters ducking, bobbing and weaving. thanks for kicking us off tonight >> thanks for having us. we have a lot coming up, mentioned in the lead. later a dramatic address at the united nations as we follow this horrific law. ron desantis inspiring copycats around the nation but coming up next our friend shea back on the beat talking about his former boss bye barack obama back in the white house and got through it obamacare to some jokes. >> vice president biden, vice president -- [ laughter ]
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vice president biden -- [ laughter ] vice president biden -- that was a joke. [ laughter ] [ applause ] it is good to be back in the white house. [ applause ] it's been a while. >> it's been a while, a lot has happened, that's what it looks like when 44 jokes with 46, the band back together. former president obama back at its white house for the first time since leaving office. he didn't make it there during
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the last presidency for some reason and this was not just a reunion although it was that and there were some fun parts but the point was to celebrate and mark how obamacare is working for americans around the nation. biden also has plans to fortify the law which is something that obama and biden always said would be an ongoing process because they were rewiring the private health care markets in america. now they want to open it up to another 5 million people closing what emergeds as a loophole. obama also brought some levity today. >> i think it's been well documented just how difficult it was to pass the aca. [ laughter ] i intended to get health care passed even if it cost me re-election. which for a while looked like it might, and let's face it, it didn't help that when we first rolled out the aca, the website didn't work. that was not one of my happiest moments. to quote a famous american, "a pretty big deal."
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>> wait a minute, is that the line, we're the news, we will fact check a joke, we're not above that on "the beat." let's take a look back at what then vice president biden actually said. >> barack obama. [ cheers and applause ] >> this is a big [ bleep ] deal. >> it might never get old, at least not between the two of them. obama obviously decided to bring it up today. that is the reasoning, that is the health care policy and that is also some of the fun when you unite two people, and joe biden said it himself, nobody owes more to barack obama in politics and public life than joe biden. so obama also used this time to remind people how he approaches politics. you may recall the talk of hope and bipartisanship and reaching across the aisle. he did that but he also tried to make sure everyone understands that there are differences here and that political leadership means hammering those, too.
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>> republicans tried to repeal what we had done, again, and again, and again. and they filed lawsuits that went all the way to the supreme court three times. so given all the noise and the controversy and the skepticism, today the aca hasn't just survived, it's pretty darned popular, and the reason is because it's done what it was supposed to do. it's made a difference. >> it has made a difference and the obama plan was basically pitted against a lot of no's, republicans tried and failed to repeal obamacare over 70 times. most americans now back this law which was initially greets as a polarized piece of legislation. you see it growing a bit over time, 55%, something of a high point. the white house there were warm vibes, good energy, there was hugs and joe biden sooner or later was going to get in on it
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and crack some jokes of his own. >> my name is joe biden. i'm barack obama's vice president. we just had lunch together and we haven't sure who was supposed to sit where. now i'm going to sign an executive order and barack, let me remind you, it's a hot mic. [ laughter ] >> woo! >> feels like the good old days. being here with you -- [ applause ] -- brings back so many good memories. >> got to watch out for the hot mics, anyone who works near a mic knows about that, obama and biden were often an odd couple at first. we think them as synonymous politically and the internet enjoyed that, memes that showed obama and biden becoming a deejay duo, the politicians the play on the word "lit" or obama
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telling biden stop copying me and the friendship bracelets because they seemed to have a kinship. this went jairal maybe in a simpler time, biden talked about that back in 2018. >> all those memes, they're basically true. [ laughter ] [ applause ] except i want to make it clear, he made the first friendship bracelet, not me. >> biden is looking to strengthen his poll numbers right now, democrats see what could be a tough midterm election, many acknowledge they need a spark, whether it's what obama did, said or the example today. can they get some? jay comendori when we're back in one minute. enamel in its weakened state. it's innovative. my go to toothpaste
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comendori is back on the beat. your return here far less important than this return there but happy to have you, buddy. >> it's a very important return, glad to be here, though. >> you know, you look at all this, there's so many layers to it. you pointed something out we might not realize or passes us by and i want to you break it down. you pointed out that when donald trump was in office, no former presidents visited him at the white house, a total break with tradition, not just obama and that most presidents find themselves more popular when they leave the white house, that's true in obama's case compared to some of his lower points and not true with trump. how does that relate to what we saw today? >> there's several different play layers today. the first is what you brought up, the historical nature of this. what biden is doing and focus of
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his presidency is to restore the pre-trump democratic norms, and one of those is to have former presidents back in the white house, back in the oval office, that is something that donald trump never did. it was one of the many precedents, one of the many norms that he broke. one of the things that trump wanted to always do was break with tradition, break with history, and he did it day by day, norm by norm, precedent by precedent, tradition by tradition and ultimately culminated in january 6th, you keep breaking the norms one by one, one by one and finally you have a coup on your hands and that's exactly what trump did, that's what biden is seeking to undough and that's a big part of this. the second thing is, obviously midterms are coming up. barack obama is the most popular person in the country politically. he is extremely popular among democrats, extremely popular among independents and that's someone democrats and democratic candidates want to be associated
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with, his positivity, his optimism, forward-looking vision and intellect and the aca as a sign democrats are about a government that works effectively for the american people and really helps to improve their lives and there's a break away from culture wars you see republicans engaging with and finally, i'll say there's a cultural element to this which is you know, barack obama really symbolizes something more than just himself. there is a very famous line in "the dark knight" where batman says, as a man, i can be defeated. as a man, i can be ignored but as a symbol, imeverlasting. trump didn't want to just defeat obamacare the bill or obama the man, he wanted to defeat obama the symbol, the symbol of a diverse democratic country, a symbol that joe biden and democrats want the people to carry in their hearts, the symbol that trump and the gop want people to forget. >> how does that relate to dying
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a hero or living long enough to be a villain? >> well, i think for unfortunately donald trump i think in many, from the minds of many people, he is already the villain, but i do think that -- >> really. >> -- one of the things that goes to is the idea that historical legacies can change over time, you know, and barack obama when he was president, and i remember it well, you know, was a very stormy presidency. he wasn't always the most popular person in the country. you can look at -- >> which he joked about it. >> and he joked about it today and the aca is a classic example of that, where this was an incredibly unpopular piece of legislation until the american people actually experienced its benefits and actually experienced having preexisting conditions covered and not having to worry about preexisting conditions in health care coverage and that has sort of changed so i would say what happened with the aca and with barack obama is a reversal of the famous line "the dark
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knight" about being a hero and living long enough to be about the villain. it's the opposite of what occurred. >> you're dropping real science on several points. one of them on health care is also as you say a reminder to people, over time, that a government program, and this was again a pretty moderate, private public sector coordination but still a long time government program can deliver benefits for people over time. that's what health care does, and why it has higher approval ratings than biden or trump, because a lot of people are using it even if they happen to be moderate conserative republicans, et cetera, two you're not the only one who can quote "dark knight" chai, we've proven that here but the timeless themes of batman which go back decades, starts from the comic book area and how it's rebooted, and a new one i haven't seen yet, the whole thing with the joker is the
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jokers of society will test you in criminal, corrupt or political ways and they don't play by your rules, so yes, we've talked plenty about trump and this was a contrast day as you say but there are jokers afilliated with qanon or people auditions to be the next maga figure. norm busting is trying to say they can prove their power by showing their side that they can make everything up for debate, nothing matters, nothing is real, nothing is true, nothing is unassailable and there's a kind of an appeal for certain people to that but the way you deal with that is actually proving that things work and that's a big difference i want to ask you about and play a little bit of obama because he talks about the health care but that seems to be a difference between a long-term program and funding. a lot of people think the biden funding was good and a good start and popularity, we've shown on this program, republicans voted against it, claiming they're for it because
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it's popular, but in five or ten years, will the child care tax credit expires and the other money spent and won't be the same as the aca. listen to obama on the aca. >> i know how discouraged people can get with washington. progress feels way too slow sometimes. victories are often incomplete, but what the affordable care act shows is if you are driven by the core idea that together we can improve the lives of this generation and the next, willing to work throughout obstacles and the criticism and continually improve where you fall short, you can make america better. >> that was the pitch, chai, wasn't polyann-ish but positive. how does that relate to something you raised, since obama left the stage, american
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politics has been sour, divisive, angry and i'll say it, and i try to be positive, chai, depressing a lot of the time. >> yeah, it's very depressing and i would attribute that to maybe three particular figures, donald trump, rupert murdoch and mark zuckerberg and what they've done to make it sour and the reason american politics has become sour is because a lot of politicians have forgotten what barack obama just said in that clip, which is government can make the lives of people better. politics has become something, become about cultural contests, it's been about cultural sort of fights. you see that very much with the republicans today. they really want to fight this midterm on cultural issues. matt gaetz today to general austin or secretary austin was talking about wokeism in the military, ron desantis the don't say gay bill and his war against disney. it's all about these cultural
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fights and it's very important for democrats to move the message and move the national conversation back to economics, to pocketbook issues and to making the lives of people better, and how do we do that? we do that with things like the child care tax credit, we do that with things like the aca. >> yes, so trump, murdoch, zuckerberg you see as the villains driving this, also would make a heck of a dinner party. i don't know if you could get a word in, chai. >> no, it's actually very much like "legion of doom" for comic book fans, sort of an alliance of all the super villains, exactly what that trio is and the fight they fight is a cultural fight and that's right, today was very important, we need to move the conversation away from culture towards economics. >> or maybe like an andy warhol last supper of dystopian
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politics. >> yes, that would actually be and also, i mean, i think the food would probably be terrible considering what donald trump's dietary habits are known to have been. >> chai, we've been around the world and back and ended on cheeseburgers, maybe that's the light at the end of the pro verbial political tunnel. i will say you've given us food for thought, even if it's unhealthy food that trump eats. that's my best ending. thank you, chai. >> i don't want to call out a specific fast food company he likes fear for repercussions for me and you. not the healthiest diet. >> i do go to five guys when i can, just saying. good to see you. >> i love five guys, tremendous, tremendous fries. >> peace. chai mentioned this echo from ron desantis' anti-civil rights bill in florida. we'll get into that later tonight and by the end of the
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we've been covering news out of america to the, specifically we were just reporting on barack obama returning to the white house and news of the congressional investigations into january 6th. now we turn back abroad and a look at the atrocities in ukraine which continue to be documented. the west is vowing to hold putin accountable for what many repeatedly say are obviously war crimes against innocent civilians. that is distinct and worse than a war of aggression that has targeted initially military outposts and soldiers. zelenskyy addressed the u.n.
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security council calling russian soldiers terrorists and demanding some accountability. >> translator: they cut off limbs, cut their throats, slashed their throats, women were raped and killed in front of their children. they were, their tongues were pulled out, only because the aggressor did not hear what they wanted to hear from them. so this is no different from other terrorists. accountability must be inevitable. >> a strong plea there, and we've become accustomed to hearing zelenskyy make these pleas from various locations, asking the world to intervene. anything directed toward the u.n. security council is directly addressing russia which is a member. he also asked for a stronger response. >> translator: the u.n. do you think the time of international law is gone? if your answer is no, then you need to act immediately. so where is the security the
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security council needs to guarantee? it's not there, although there is a security council and so where is the peace? >> meanwhile, there's more reporting out of bucha, where the horrors have been documented. the city continues to collect evidence. sky news was on site as bodies were discovered in a basement, again a warning, these are images that vladimir putin and others do not want broadcast anywhere in the world, we are showing them as part of our war coverage but a warning, they are disturbing and graphic. >> reporter: five lives ended in this basement, their bodies lie face up, hands bound, mouthed contorted. the men all allegedly killed by russian soldiers, an official involved in the process said over the past few weeks here in bucha, he's found around 300 bodies. he said about 30% of them were
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women and children and he believes that more are going to be found. >> in response, the united states and the eu discussed additional sanctions, including against financial institutions, government officials and extended family members who excuse me, may not have been hit by sanctions up to this point. town by town, ukrainian prosecutors will collect evidence because they want to build a case for possible later war crimes trials against the russians who did this. europe is now also considering a ban on russian coal. countries are expelling other russian diplomats en masse that had been still allowed to remain even amidst the evidence that happened, including germany, italy and france, combined about 100 diplomats exiting those western european nations. i'm joined by evelyn farkas, defense official in the obama administration with the russia/ukraine portfolio. welcome back. >> thank you, ari. >> what does the world do when
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this war moves from what it had largely or predominantly been for weeks, which was a war of aggression to the kind of documentation we first saw recently of these alleged war crimes, atrocities, torture and rape of women in ukraine? >> well, ari, i think this is why many of us or i guess a handful of us russia/ukraine hands find a letter calling for the administration to consider humanitarian no-fly zones because essentially we've seen the international community starting with the u.s. and nato deterred by russia and afraid of doing something to save the lives, to protect these innocent civilians and we see what the end result is, so there needs to be more done by the international organizations. we did, we have a precedent in the past, slobodan milosevic was
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tried in the hague and died in prison. it's too late for the people he killed but nevertheless justice was found and if we find the mechanism and we publicize it, it may make the russian troops think twice and certainly the generals think twice about ordering more of this carnage. i'm afraid about the next phase. as we know, right now both sides are just regrouping for more war, and i don't see either side thinking that they're winning or losing, which again is a recipe for more war and i don't see the international community having an answer to the conundrum especially of civilians being targeted. >> understood. let me play a little bit of secretary austin today. take a listen. >> the russians thought they could very quickly move into ukraine, capture the capital city and install their leader of choice, and they weren't able to
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do that. as they enter this phase, it will probably be a lot more deliberate, they'll be able to mass fires a lot more and so the violence will probably go up a notch there. >> he's giving a military breakdown. i'm curious response to that because the grim and tragic dynamic that's referring to and we've seen it in other wars is that what they could not compel with force, which is generally defined as military on military conflict, they are erecting with violence also, known as war crimes, by targeting the civilians, by wreaking a kind of carnage, pour tour and brutality they believe will somehow fulfill their objectives. >> right, ari, this fighting that secretary austin is talking about is going to occur in urban areas, where people live, and so
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it's going to look like syria, and you know, frankly, shame on the international community, because we didn't do enough about syria, that's probably a large reason why vladimir putin is continuing. we didn't do anything about chechnya, and there are other examples in other parts of the world, rwanda and the rohingya genocides where somehow the international community has failed people and doesn't have enough i guess means or isn't willing to take risk. we need to come up with some mechanism to protect the civilians who are caught in this cross-fire. >> understood, and i appreciate, it's unspeakable, so words can fail, but you are reminding people that there are measures and measures other than boots on the ground that any nation that says they are concerned about preventing the next round of this can take that's part of the policy debate, so you studied this area longer than most. we appreciate your analysis,
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evelyn farkas, thank you. >> one other thing, if i could, the international red cross want to go and provide assistance, why don't they get armed accompaniment, why don't they take in people with arms to accompany them in with humanitarian assistance? if they really want to provide it, they should be willing to take the risk. we did it in bosnia, we didn't solve the underlying war but did a lot more on the humanitarian front. >> another point, evelyn farkas, thank you. appreciate it. we will be right back.
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