tv Yasmin Vossoughian Reports MSNBC April 9, 2022 1:00pm-2:00pm PDT
welcome back, everybody. if you are just joining us, thanks for joining us. if you're sticking around through, we thank you for that as well. we continue to follow the latest developments out of ukraine. a surprise visit from the british prime minister to kyiv. one of a number of world leaders rushing in after russians abandoned their attack on the capital, but the carnage continuing. >> new video of the horrific attack on a train station and the innocent civilians there. also new information, vladimir putin putting a new general in charge. we'll talk about the significance of that later on in this hour.
there's other news we're following. reaction to the explosive new reports of text messages from donald trump jr. to mark meadows right after the election, demanding action on a path to keeping his father in power. this is happening as the doj gets corporation from two gop figures. history is made as ketanji brown jackson is confirmed as the next justice of the u.s. supreme court. i'll talk to carol mosely brown and ask her about the challenges ahead. we begin with boris johnson meeting with volodymyr zelenskyy to discuss the uk's long-term support to ukraine. you are watching video, newly released, moments ago of the pair walking through kyiv's city
center. the face-to-face meeting coming as the country is reeling from the attack on the train station that left 50 people dead. joining me now from lviv a ralph sanchez and nate mook a ceo of world central kitchen. ralph, it was an astounding visit from the british prime minister and taking the walk we showed with ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy. what do we know about their visit, what they discussed and if there are plans for other world leaders to make the visit? >> reporter: that's the big question. the british prime minister showing up in kyiv today. the question now who else might be coming and when might we see senior american officials visiting the ukrainian capital,
sitting down face-to-face with president zelenskyy. boris johnson very eager to do this trip for a long time. he's made no secret of that. it's only now that british security felt it was safe for him to come given the russian withdrawal from the area around kyiv, given that it's been a while since we had air strikes on the capital. boris johnson is held in some regard in ukraine because the uk has been so forward leaning in terms of supplying weapons to the ukrainian military, a british shoulder fired anti-tank missile has been used with great event. boris johnson promising more equipment on this trip. he says there's going to be 120 armored vehicles for ukrainian troops and new anti-ship missiles which will be important as ukrainian forces try to defend the southern coast against russian amphibious forces. boris johnson hailed zelenskyy as a hero and, as you saw, they felt confident enough to walk
around central kyiv obviously with heavily armed guards. this was a trip planned with utmost secrecy. we had no idea he was coming until zelenskyy's office published those pictures. >> ralph, thank you. nate, i want to go to you. you experienced firsthand the horrific attack on the train station. the numbers unbelievable. 50 plus people dead including children, over 100 people injured. what did you see? >> yeah, so i had been there for a number of days before the attack happened. we have a world central kitchen team working to get food into the city. it's been known for a good period of time now since the russians started to pull back from kyiv and the north that the situation was going to increase in the east. we've been getting food into the
city via railway car. we have an amazing team on the ground setting up warehouses. we've been working with the city and distributing to locations within the city around the region. it's been a couple days at the railway station. we were meeting with the railway station director about setting up food distribution sites at the stations for the thousands of people who had been there to get out of city. we spoke to the mayor and he told us he was trying to get all children out of the city, trying to get all mothers out of the city, all seniors out of the city. he's seen what's happened in mariupol and he knows in order to protect the city he needs to get those most vulnerable out. the train station was filled with upwards of 4 to 8,000 people every day as they were boarding trains. we were there to see how we could support. on the day of the attack we were planning to set up a food
distribution tent on the site where the missiles hit. we were driving by that morning. i saw thousands of people on the platform. i was not more than two minutes past the train station when i heard the explosions. they hit you right there in the chest. we knew something big had happened. few minutes later i got a text from the head of the ukrainian railway who told me that the station had been hit. we headed over there to see if there was anything we could do to see how this would change our ability to support those families. the scene was catastrophic. there was damage on the platform and out front. both of these places where thousands of people were waiting, mostly mothers, their children, infants, babies in strollers, seniors, people with disabilities. these were all civilians that were there and we saw many, many casualties. we saw burned cars with people still in them.
it was a horrific sight that is nothing short of murder. >> we know now that there are agreements between ukraine and the kremlin for ten humanitarian corridors. they have not been successful to get people to safety. do you think with this attack on a train station, which people were just trying to get out to seek refuge, that ukrainians will now not want to try and get out, afraid this will happen again? >> we're already seeing this unfortunately. i mean, this was a severe escalation. these train stations generally have been sort of almost kind of, you know, safe places for families to go to. everybody knows that these train stations are used for innocent civilians to leave. even in cities hit hard like kharkiv, the train station has
not been directly targeted. so, the fact that these missiles seemed to be targeting civilians is a major change. we already saw this morning families are scared to leave. the passenger trains are no longer running. there are buses to get out of the city. the city has been organizing options for the buses. at the bus station there weren't that many people there. we spoke to people and they said our neighbors are scared now because we may be directly targeted. it's a really difficult situation for them. >> they feel like they have no way out. nate mook, thank you for talking to us today. thank you for the work you continue to do there. we appreciate it. want to bring in john
herbst. ambassador, thank you for joining us. let me get your reaction to the train station attack. >> look, it's very simple, within a week or so of his failed offensive against kyiv, putin began to result to an old russian tactic of targeting civilians. this is one more example of that, a very nasty one. >> we saw in the beginning of this war incremental targeting of civilians. there was the family that was shot as they were trying to cross an open area. we remember the four bodies lying on the ground. the father found out after seeing photo releases of his wife and children. then, of course, now we have seen these horrific images from bucha. we see the attack on the train station. we hear about what's happening in mariupol. we wonder what else is to come, right? you talk about this being a
russian tactic, an old russian tactic. do you see this as vladimir putin trying to bomb ukraine into submission? >> that's exactly what it is. it's happening the exact opposite impact. the ukrainian people are justly furious. if there's going to be a diplomatic settlement compromise is needed by both sides. the ukrainian people have not interest in compromise because these are barbaric practices. the worst is the attack on the major cities -- kharkiv, mariupol where it's siege warfare. they're not permitting food to get in. they're not allowing medicines to get in. it's a tactic of the russian army. they're unable to defeat the ukrainian army, so they're going after civilians. >> when you're looking at the
russian-controlled areas -- guys, if we have that map, that would be helpful. we know that many of those areas are the areas in which vladimir putin wants in this, quote, unquote, vladimir putin wants. volodymyr zelenskyy said that's not happening. how do you foresee the ukrainian army fighting back the russian military who have taken control of these areas and destroyed some of these cities? >> we are now seeing greater support coming from the united states and other western countries for ukraine in the forms of military equipment that should have been provided long ago. this will enable the ukrainians at a minimum to defend the territory they've got and it will enable them if we have send in the tanks and the mobile artillery and the rocket launchers to take back areas you
see in red of the map. i don't rule out the possibility that ukrainians lift that siege of mariupol. ukraine is preparing for the next round, as is russia. i think we'll probably see more ukrainian gains as long as the supplies come in from the west. i think that will be happening. >> you talk about the suspension from the human rights council, the increase sanctions as well, the sanctions against putin's two grown daughters. do you see any of this having any effect on the russian president? >> i don't think those things have an important impact. they are important to demonstrate what putin is doing is unconscionable. that's good. it makes it clear to russian elites they can't enjoy a sweet life in the west while their army is butchering ukrainians. the most important thing is to make sure putin fails a second time on the battlefield.
the fact that, again, the brits have sent anti-ship missiles to ukraine. that will protect odesa. very important. the slovaks are sending the s-300. good for the biden administration in getting that done. this is absolutely key, absolutely. >> ambassador, thank you. later in this hour, disinformation so bad that some russian parents are refusing to believe their own children in ukraine. new reporting on texts from donald trump jr. to mark meadows about overturning the election even before it was called for joe biden. we'll be right back.
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now president biden. according to "the new york times" trump junior wrote to meadow, it's very simple and we have multiple paths. we control them all. the message went on to cover a variety of options from legal challenges as he wrote, to promoting alternate electors. cnn reported the texts are among records obtained from meadows and others as part of the january 6th committee probe. the committee told nbc news they had no comment on the report. let's talk about this. if this reporting is accurate, if these text messages are true what does this mean for the investigation and donald trump
jr.'s place in it. >> it's a fascinating step forward which confirms that the people close to and around the president were involved in trying to keep him in power. no big shock there. it's the specificity in the text message that could turn it into a smoking gun as the investigators of the january 6th committee look at it. you want to know who is we. he says we have multiple paths. who is involved? we sounds like a conspiracy. then two days after the election votes are still being counted. he's not talking about counting the votes. he's talking about controlling paths and options which could very well, when some of those people who are involved in the we are spoken with or interviewed, could lead to evidence of a clear-cut conspiracy. >> the attorney for don jr., his
response, after the election don received numerous messages from supporters and others. given the date this message likely originated from someone else and was forwarded. joyce, what do you make of that? >> it doesn't make sense. forwarding a text message requires a little bit of effort. at the minimum you have to cut and paste it and send it on. i don't think this really adds anything to the discussion. it just looks convenient. it's a very lengthy text message. it's very specific. it lays out a lot of the conduct that they later took part in. if this is a defense, it's not a very good one. >> is there anything to be said from the fact that don jr. wrote these text messages to meadows a few days after the 2020 election and it was revealed on january 6th he exchanged text messages with meadows where he said tell my father to call it off. tell him to stop. tell him to pull back.
this is ruining everything we worked for. >> this is why investigating these situations is so complicated. we understand this is more than just the insurrection on january 6th. this is the big lie. it's the entirety of the conduct that starts before the election and continues through the election with trump trying more and more hair brain schemes to maintain the lead and ultimately resorting to the violence on january 6th. trump junior is part of that trajectory of conduct. when you look at it in context and put it together, which is what investigators would do, it makes it more difficult to point to any one specific text and say, look, i tried to get him to stop when you have a course of conduct leading up to that. >> weigh in on this new op-ed that katie fang wrote talking
about ginni thomas, her relationship with the former president and the fact that justice thomas should be recusing himself and the defense being put up. she says it strains credit duality if justice thomas said he had no idea what she was up to. the idea those two don't share conversations about those topics is an insult to americans. >> first off, congratulations to katie fang. we're excited about her new show. she makes a great point. she says she's not one to criticize the partner in a married couple when one has a prominent position. it's a judgment issue. she's dead on the money. ginni thomas is free to engage
in any activity she would like to. it's up to justice thomas to recuse from cases when they involve her activities. it's very clear that that did not happen. he was involved in a case involving pennsylvania electors that was part of the work she was involved in to overturn the results of the election. this will cast the absence of ethical rules that govern the supreme court. >> i want to be clear here. there really is no tool to get justice thomas to recuse himself from anything related to january 6th. there's nothing that can be done aside from him choosing to do it. >> that's correct. we rely on our members of the highest court to make sure they don't rule in cases where they have a conflict of interest, but also that they avoid cases of even an appearance of
impropriety. what he's doing here really is dangerous for our court system and for that institution. >> thank you, joyce. great to see you. speaking of our friend katie phang, her new show tomorrow, charlie crist will join her. there's a new man at the top leading russia's military. retired general barry mccafferty joins me next. ♪♪ ♪♪
welcome back. we're following breaking news out of texas where a 26-year-old woman is facing a murder charge after authorities say she caused, quote, the death of an individual by self-induced abortion. it's unclear whether she's accused of having an abortion or helped someone to get an abortion. she was arrested thursday and
remains in jail. a 2021 state law that bans abortions in texas. the law allows citizens to sue doctors or anyone that helps a woman get an abortion. i want to get back to the invasion in ukraine. grizzly scenes still emerging as russia shifts their focus to the eastern part of the country. i want to bring in richard who is at the big board. richard, this is incredibly important information. talking about those scenes at the train station. obviously it seems as if putin's army is targeting civilians. walk us through what you're seeing in some of that. >> in force certainly when you
look at kramatorsk. that just happening within the last 24 hours. that area right here. we understand that 4,000 people were in and around that train station according to a ukrainian official. that was on friday that we saw that happen. they were trying to follow the warnings that were saying get out of the east. then a missile hit that station and at least 98 people were injured, 50 killed. 4,000, could have been much worse. the ukraine president said the missile was probably a short range ballistic missile that hit that area. it has a range of about 40 miles. that's going to be about this -- if i were to draw a circle around kramatorsk, it's mean we're seeing missiles coming from the red area. the dominance in the east is why that's so important. ukraine says it was russia who launched the missile.
russia says it was actually ukraine who did that. russia's strategy right now, we've been talking about it, is to choke out the east and southern ukraine parts of the country. i'm zoom in here. the two key tactics shelling and the occupation of small villages. it's gone further. you were just discussing that. russian forces killing hundreds of civilians as it went about their day as we reported in bucha. today the governor urged civilians to flee immediately. the concern is mass face-to-face killings like in bucha. will that be happening in luhansk. that's their concern. now the "washington post" says russian troops withdraw from kyiv and they're mowing down
these towns, killing and terrorizing civilians simply because of where they live. last week just to give us that context, this was all not blue. remember the red. there were little dots of blue. that's a big change in the last week. as we were saying, the movements from this area to the north is coming to the east and south as they try to cut off this southern and eastern area. essentially making it all red in this space here. we're getting an update in the next several hours of where the troops are in terms of red and blue. if there's anything of significance, we'll get it to you. >> thank you, richard. i want to bring in retired general barry mccaffrey. thank you for joining us. i want to talk about what we're hearing in the upper echelons of the russian military.
reportedly vladimir putin has tapped a veteran to oversee the war in ukraine. we are in the midst of a war there. we're six weeks into this russian invasion into ukraine. what do you make of that? >> well, it's an interesting development that dvornikov who has been a southern military district commander is finally allegedly being appointed to joint commander. at the end of the day a superb military organization with an average general can do pretty darn good. the russian military is now a broken institution in discipline, tactical and effectiveness at the base level and the operational control of their forces was terrible. they've gone to terrorizing civilians as their primary tool. dvornikov was the first russian commander in syria awarded the hero of the russian federation
for dropping barrel bombs on defenseless civilians and using poison gas against them. it took us 15, 20 years to create a joint culture of command. the russians aren't pulling this off. the air force and navy are not going to get coordinated never mind the gru and the other agencies russian has to bring to bear. he doesn't have a headquarters. i don't expect much will come of this. they rehabbed about 100 battalion combat teams already. they have another 30 or 40 that will take weeks to put back together. they allegedly as richard points out are going to focus on the east and the south. so ball's in our court. how does nato get technological
edge into the ukrainians for the battle? >> i wonder if putin is being told his russian military is losing tactically. we had reports a week or so ago that people were keeping things from him and now maybe he's learning what's happening on the ground and the replacement of the general there. can we talk about the train station as well? i wonder if the train station was the exact target. i know the pentagon didn't have an answer for us when it comes to their intelligence assessment of the attack on the train station. when you think about the short-range missile that richard laid out for us that was used to attack the train station, do you suspect that this was the real target of this attack? >> yeah, probably. you know, i would think it's irrelevant. we have seen throughout the war the russians have strategically
targeted civilian populations and their infrastructure with bombs, cruise missiles, artillery, unguided rockets and are applying starvation, turning off the electrical grid. this is at the highest level, the center piece of their approach to defeat the ukrainians. >> we know the ukrainian forces have taken back certain regions, areas that were at one point controlled by russian forces, that map that richard was laying out. now you see that eastern region still being controlled by russian forces. what's the likelihood that ukrainian forces will be able to push back russian forces there? >> these brilliant tactical victories by the ukrainians were defense of built-up areas, urban areas, kharkiv, the outskirts of kyiv.
they now need to carry the fight to the russians. they have to do it not with eight-man detachments, with dismounted infantry. they have to put together a force of maneuver with artillery and air support and in particular rocket artillery, long range. we have to provide them these tools. they have to stand off the russian navy, 21 amphibious ships in the black sea. we have understood this requires a different approach for nato, not defensive systems, not just humanitarian aid, but we've got to get in there quick during this window of vulnerability of the russian armed forces. >> general, thank you. coming up, justice ketanji brown jackson will be the highest ranked black woman on
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legal scholars watching to see what new perspective she'll bring to the court. others are reflecting on the accomplishment. joined by someone who is no stranger to firsts, former senator carol moseley braun. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. i am so proud of those young reporters who are going to the ukraine witnessing firsthand the horrific war that's going on there. it just warms your heart to see young people going on the frontlines and they're seeing dead bodies. it's terrible. war is horrific. i'm proud of our media. >> they're doing incredible work. they're incredible people. we're so thankful for that. let's talk about ketanji brown jackson, judge ketanji brown jackson -- justice ketanji brown
jackson. you were at the ceremony yesterday. >> i was. >> what was that like for you? >> it was astonishing. let me say this, i worked with general mccaffrey who was just on on getting a world war i memorial built in washington. we didn't have a memorial there. for this ceremony, i wore my pin for the world war i veterans. my grandfather was one of 350,000 blacks who served in the first world war, came back to a country where they were being lynched. my grandmother could not have imagined having a black woman on the united states supreme court. this was such an historic and momentous day for women of color and just for the country because it's going to mean our democracy will work better. it means our supreme court will be more in tune with the life experiences of people who are not white and male and old and
wealthy, which would be a good thing in terms of making the supreme court relevant to everybody's lives. because the supreme court is such an important institution in the country, my life path would not have been possible without the warren court and the influence of thurgood marshall on that court. as she pointed out, she is the embodiment of the hopes and dreams of the slave. it just -- i mean, people started crying, me included. >> you were the first black female senator. the vice president has spoken about this, being the first black female vice president of the united states. it's not easy to be the first. we saw that during the judge's confirmation hearings. >> you know, it's kind of like drinking from a fire hose. the fact of the matter is that
even when you're as qualified as justice jackson is, even when -- she had everything going for her. in fact, down to judicial temperament. i was in awe of her restraint and calmness and ability to face off these guys acting -- asking -- not just guys, members of the committee -- asking absurd questions, many of which were attempts to resurrect ancient racist tropes. the fact is that black americans have been a part of this country from the beginning. we fought in all the wars. we are law abiding citizens. she's got military in her family and law enforcement, as do i. we played by the rules, many of us played by the rules. then to still get somebody asking you what's a woman in a
confirmation hearing is just ridiculous. she handled it magnificently. i was so proud of her. >> she handled it. senator, thank you so much. great to talk to you. >> thank you for having me. up next, why many living in russia have no idea about what's happening in ukraine. >> she tries to ask me about my health, about our weather and other stuff and i don't like it. , your first treatment could be a chemo-free combination of two immunotherapies that works differently. it could mean a chance to live longer. opdivo plus yervoy is for adults newly diagnosed with non-small cell lung cancer that has spread, tests positive for pd-l1, and does not have an abnormal egfr or alk gene. together, opdivo plus yervoy helps your immune system launch a response that fights cancer in two different ways. opdivo plus yervoy equals a chance for more time together.
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some breaking news out of pakistan. the country's lower house of parliament voted in favor of removing the prime minister from office parliament just voted in favor of removing prime minister imran khan. that means the country's lower house will now elect a new prime minister in government. nbc's ali velshi has been on the ground doing the latest reporting on the invasion by russia of ukraine. >> reporter: russia's invasion has up ended life here in ukraine even in the more peaceful parts of the country, lviv, where i am the air-raid sirens remind ukrainian citizens they do not control the skies and russian terror could rain down on them at any minute.
but this talk of war can get heated between family members on opposite sides. this week i was joined by four ukrainians all in their 20s. you live in a war and you talk to your mother who's not here and you have difficulty having this conversation with her. tell me why. >> because she lives in russia and she watch russian tv, and she says that she doesn't believe that it's russian troops are here and that they are bombing our cities and killing our people. so that's why. >> reporter: what does she believe? what does she think is bombing -- >> i think she doesn't -- she
doesn't know what is the truth. >> reporter: so how do those conversations go with you? because you're in this war. you're frightened. she doesn't really believe what's going on is happening, so what do you talk about? >> she tries to talk about something else about -- not about war. she tries to ask me about my health, about our weather and other stuff. and i don't like it. >> reporter: who have you got in your family who sees this differently? >> so the war started in 2014, and we have our relatives from here who moved to russia -- who lived in russia, but they were living and studying here. they're mixed, so the part of the family is from russia, part of them here, but now they live in russia. so in 2014 and '15 when all the
war started they were calling us asking what's happening, so we told them that we would bike to be in the eu, that we don't want to be part of russia, that we are not one nation. and then we just had a conversation in a very impolite way telling us that you are stupid, that you are idiot, what are you doing, how much u.s. paid you to vote for poroshenko. >> reporter: wow. >> in 2014. >> reporter: and has anything improved in terms of those relationships since 2014 or has it gotten worse now? >> it's gotten worse. we don't talk to them. >> reporter: where are your parents right now? and tell me how this war goes with your parent. >> yeah, so we have difficult conversations since 2014. we disagree on all things, but
at that point we held political debates because none of us was ipacted by the war so, okay, we have different opinions. we just have to accept this. we have sort of taboo on certain topics, not to raise them. it not always works. we had many fights and argued a lot. and on 24th of february this year when the full-scale invasion started we just received a text from mom like how's it going, if you are alive and we were busy fleeing from kyiv. my mom, i think she also understands that the conversation now can harm us.
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will smith is now officially banned from the oscars for a decade after he slapped comedian chris rock over a joke about his wife jada during this year's ceremony. in a brief statement the best actor winner who already resigned from the academy last week says he accepts and respects the decision. all right, jennifer lopez, ben afleck are engaged again. they made two films together. there's no word on where or when the ceremony will happen, but as we get the news and find out we'll bring it to you. that wraps up the hour. i'm yasmin vossoughian. i'll be back tomorrow. reverend al sharpton and politics nation begins right
now. good evening and welcome to politics nation. tonight's lead, a bright spot. right now i'm thinking about my daughters and how much i refuse to allow darkness to shade their joy or mine. because while i've been present for some truly profound moments yesterday on the south lawn of the white house i had the unprecedented honor as head of national action network of watching the first black woman judge elevated to our nation's highest court. introduced by the first black and south asian woman vice president. and president biden was there, too. >> no one does this