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switch today. ♪ ♪ ♪ tonight in ukraine, pressing for peace, president zelenskyy opening the doors again to broker peace with the man he clearly views as a killer as putin's military begins to gear up for more attacks just a day after killing more than 50 civilians at a trans station. zelenskyy today also welcoming abortion ounce into town. , giving the uk's prime minister a guided tour in ukraine's capital in the midst of war. ukraine's defense ministry tweeting this is what true friendship between two peoples and nations looks like. and with more attacks feared, we're gonna talk to a member of the house foreign affairs committee about the u.s.
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stepping up support for ukraine. also tonight, the gop ramps up efforts to rollback your rights, whether it's access to safe reproductive care, or lgbtq protections. how far might republicans go? but most importantly, how can they be stopped? plus, what is at for the 1-6 committee after speaking this week with ivanka. now comes the quest of getting her dad donald j trump himself in the hot seat. we're gonna begin with some news out of texas this saturday. a 26 year old woman out of jail tonight on a half million dollar bail. accused of performing a quote, self induced abortion. the county sheriff office arrested her thursday, and charged her with murder. she pointed out the associated press reports it's unclear if she terminated her own pregnancy, or help someone else get an abortion. the sheriff's office does not say which law she violated. this comes after texas passed the nation's most restrictive
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abortion law last fall. the law bans abortions after six weeks. >> it relies on private citizens to sue abortion providers. however, women receiving care are exempt from the law. for seven months now, texans seeking reproductive care had to travel out of state for a legal abortion. nearly half of these texans had to head to oklahoma for abortion access. the new bill proposed this week in oklahoma aims to ban all abortions, with exception to a medical emergencies. we are seeing setbacks for reproductive rights, we are starting to see a series of winds to keep abortion access legal as a precedent under roe. on friday, the idaho supreme court temporarily blocked estates law banning abortions after about six months of pregnancy. in kentucky, the governor vetoed the states 15-week ban. and earlier this week, michigan's governor filed a lawsuit to protect access. governor greg mitch's move is
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-- expected by summer, the court considering mississippi's 15 -week abortion ban directly challenging roe v. wade. despite being confirmed the high court this week, judge ketanji brown jackson will not rule on that case. she won't take the bench on till after the courts next term. joining us now to discuss the fight to reproductive freedom, cecilia richards is also -- michelle goodwin is the author of policing the womb, the invisible woman and the criminalization of motherhood. it's good to see you both. cecilia, i'm going to start with you, and i'm going to bring back that map for to see what's texan seeking abortions see. nearly half are traveling to oklahoma. tell me about how oklahoma's new ban is gonna put a strain on resources, not just in oklahoma, and not just in texas, but throughout the whole region. >> well, that map is pretty chilling, alicia, because it's
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not just oklahoma. if you look at that map, we're looking at mississippi, louisiana, arkansas, these are all states where their legislatures are making every attempt they can to make abortion much harder to get. and of course, what we've seen is in the states where there is access, to save legal abortion, they have been overwhelmed by the volume of patients coming from the state of texas. i would also point out, if you look at the states where essentially they are -- the legislatures and the governor s, and give some good examples of governors doing the right thing and michigan in kentucky, but in the states, the one thing that they all have in common is they are completely run by the republican party. so this is not -- these are not states where the people of the states have risen up and asked for abortion to become illegal. these are states where the republican party is using their political power against the citizens of their state and most predominantly women. it's horrifying, the state out
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of texas, i am so glad that this young woman is out of jail now. but this is what we are going to see increasingly, is women, doctors, caretakers who we, just for providing basic medical care, are gonna be criminalized. >> michelle, i would invite you to pick up where cecile left off but i also want to point out some of the hypocrisy that is of course well-known to the two of you, apparent to our audience. which is while you have republicans working to restrict most abortions, it's not like they are offering solutions to help parents. and new analysis from the associated press this week reads, quote, states with some of the nations strictest abortion laws are also the sum of hardest places to have and raise a healthy child. the burden is likely to fall heaviest on those with low incomes, who also are the least able to seek an abortion in another state where the procedure remains widely available. michelle, that is not a mistake.
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it is not a glitch. it is by design, and it is a value statement. what is the gop broadcasting with the active effort to make it hard to gain access to safe, quality reproductive care, and at the same time, not instituting family friendly support policies? >> alicia, it's good to be back with you. it's good to see you, cecile. if we're looking at that map again, let's make sure that we understand that the majority of the states that we are talking about in the south are former slave states. states that are quite familiar with what it means to deny people civil liberties and civil rights. particularly black and brown people. also to insubordinate people who are lower income and white. it's not, you it's also part of an old playbook that has been resuscitated. and in that way it's been a bit of a marathon rather than a sprint. and you're absolutely right, this flavor and taste for
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suppression and subordination was something that lasted beyond slavery, into jim crow. we're actually seeing a continuum, a kind of thread. and it's important we understand what this thread represents. you are absolutely right that in these states, they are not seeking to expand medicaid, medicare coverage, they are not seeking to expand welfare, they are not expanding ways in which people can help to support through childcare children that there would have. but through their, more in these very states, they actually leave the nation in terms of maternal mortality, and it means that the united states leads the developed world in the maternal mortality. we rank 58 to 54th in the world. it's safer to give birth to win in places like bosnia than in the united states. but if we look at poor woman,
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poor black and brown women are three and a half times more likely to die. and if we dive deeper in these cases states, they are ten times more likely to die in certain counties, 17 times more likely to die in those counties. when we see these clinics shuttering, these women don't have anywhere to go for contraceptive access, pre natal care and and the other kinds of services the state is unwilling seeking to provide. >> cecilia, i'm just so struck by the fact that we are on the heels of judge ketanji brown jackson's historic nomination, confirmation, to the supreme court and at the same time you have all of this happening in the same america. she is not going to be on the bench, she's not going to be presiding over this mississippi case. talk to me about what that means. the implications of not having her voice in these conversations. >> first, can we'll just take a moment to just, again, we can't celebrate enough this incredibly important new jurist coming on to the bench.
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what we are facing now, it's not a legal battle, it's a political battle. and exactly, the point that you were making, alicia, is so correct that, you look at the state of mississippi, that's the case that is up before the supreme court, the abortion ban is before the supreme court that will be decided the spring. mississippi is the poorest state in the country. this is a state where a third of children live in poverty, it's a state where right now, for women who are on medicaid, women with low incomes, they get two months of health care coverage after delivering the child. and in fact, the very same legislature that passed this abortion ban refused to expand coverage for new mothers under their medicaid program. so the hostility and -- it goes way back, as been said. the hostility toward women and children, and their well-being, lays at the feet of the
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republican party. this is going to be a political battle, this is why it's so critical, the midterm elections, we need to send a signal that this country is unwilling to go back to a day where healthy women across the country are dying, are being put in jail because of abortion. >> i want to be completely transparent because i know no other way this is gonna be a robust conversation it was both about care and lgbtq rights. because of the story that we are seeing out of texas, we are hopeful we're gonna have more details on that by tomorrow's show so we can really dig in. but i want to be clear, there is a broad range of rights here that is under attack. talk to me about what that posture means. the type of america we could be living in with all of these rights under threat. >> so, let's understand that we are talking about not just one reproductive right, such as thinking about abortion,
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contraception has come under attack, access to it, sex education in schools. the united states also leads all other similar countries in terms of teen pregnancies and teens contracting sexually transmittable diseases because we've gutted sex education, and it's been replaced in some of these very states with abstinence only teaching which just simply does not work. and we heard through the confirmation hearings other things that should really concern us, such as concerns about substance of due process of going too far. while substantive due process is actually part of the legacy that we have in the constitution to protect the rights of the most vulnerable. these are part of the reconstruction effort to remove black people from slavery. these are the kinds of laws that protect sex equality, lgbtq equality, disability rights, so what's under attack right now is not of just abortion. the texas legislature is coming
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after texas parents who care about their children and trying to give them affirmative health care, and, if you care about these issues, you should be caring about voting rights because voting rights are under attack by these very same legislators. the air you breathe is something that is coming under attack as well. the water you drink. all of this, we should be concerned about because these are power plays. and these are very dangerous power plays that affect almost every part of people's lives. >> cecile, michelle, no to better guest to help us connect all of these dots. thank you both so much for your time. still to come this hour, ukraine's president presses for peace and calls on the world for more help. what is the u.s. doing? we're gonna help ask a member of the house of foreign affairs committee. and coming to terms with covid 's uneven impact on americans. we will talk to william barber who says that we will never
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heal from the pains of this pandemic unless we take this steps to heal. it first to. richard >> good evening to you. huge win how skin says died. police says that he was hit by a truck by while crossing a florida highway for unknown reasons. he was 24 years old. a was plotting the kidnap michigan governor, a mistrial was declared for two other defendants. whitmer's chief of staff responded saying in part, without accountability, extremists will be emboldened. and the cost to will smith for slapping chris rock at the oscars? a decade ban from attending the annual ceremony, the motion pictures academy said he cannot be in the crowd, but can still win an oscar it appears so far. smith says he accepts and respects that decision. more american voices right after this. when they can enjoy the best? eggland's best. the only eggs with more fresh and delicious taste.
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's testimony to the january six committee, a new wave of witnesses coming forward in the capitol riot investigation. stop the steal organizer ali alexander says he's now cooperating with the justice department. alexander has ties to roger stone and at least three far-right congressmen. and leader of the proud boys has agreed to take the stand against other extremists. north carolina man is pleading guilty to a felony conspiracy, and for assaulting police officers during the capitol riot. all this as the guardian reports the proud boys and oath keepers likely plotted to attack congress. according to the guardian, the january 6th committee has growing evidence of the militia groups collaboration. and in communication with stop the steal figures, like alexander. joining me to discuss, the reporter who broke that story, hugo lowell of the guardian. and political national
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correspondent, betsy woodruff swan. she's also an msnbc contributor. hugo, talk to us about your new reporting. what has the january six committee learned about the conspiracy between extremist groups? >> yeah, so the january six committee this week has really crystallized its determination, or reaching its determination that the oath keepers and the proud boys militia groups that were connected to the willard operation, were connected to the stop the steal movement, coordinated their movements. and that included an assault on the capitol. and this was planned in advance. and i think this is very significant because you can see where the committee is going with this. they're moving from the bottom upwards to the top. and the way, i think, this fits in is that if they can show, if they can show if these militia groups coordinated in advance, while they coordinate with the rally organizers are, and the
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rally organizes coordinate with people and the trump white house. >> indeed. especially because that has always been the pressure point for accountability for those at the top. and to that point, betsy, cnn has published attacks from donald trump jr. to mark meadows, boasting of quote, multiple paths to overturn the election, before, president biden was even declared the victor. what is the january six committee gonna be able to do with that evidence? >> there is no question that's gonna be part of the broad picture they put together, the extent to which people in and close to president trump's immediate circle were preparing well in advance to try to cast doubt on the results of the election. remember, part of the reason trump and the people in his orbit were so electrically angry at fox news, for calling the arizona for biden early in the evening.
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comparatively early. it was because they want to people who are watching the election returns to go to bed with the question in their head as to who would win. they wanted it to take a while for the returns to come in. that was very studied, deliberate and cynical. the reason they wanted that doubt to exist was because trump and his allies knew that they would be able to exploit it. and now, of course, in that respect, we see the degree to which that exploitation was even more horrifying than you would have thought it might have been at the time. -- of course in the following weeks, trump just brought in folks who reiterated that. >> sorry to interrupt you, but you caught me with electrically angry. what a perfect way to describe those moments! hugo, a federal judge this week shut down bannon's contempt of congress, saying the former trump advisor can't argue, and just listening to his lawyer -- i wonder what that could mean for the other three trump officials the select committee has referred to the doj?
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>> i think it's difficult to tell because the cases are on different -- what bannon effectively is arguing is that he relied on his advice of counsel, who told him that orc opinions, or orc -- justice department told him that he did not have to go into deposition, if there was no third party agency council president because the committee denied him that privilege. i think the other case, it's a little bit different. meadows has cooperated to some degree, so it might be that the justice department is looking at bannon's case, and seeing how that gets resolved before they try a trickier prosecution with meadows. with the two new trump aides that were referred for contempt of congress recently, they totally defied that their subpoenas. and the white house actually
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weighed their executive privilege claimes. and so, it is interesting to see how that will play out. i think the justice department is moving ahead with some expediency. >> betsy, in an interview with the washington post, you have trump calling ivanka's sit down with the january six committee, a quote, shame and harassment. he also claims he has no idea what ivanka or jarred told the committee their thoughts. >> yeah, he loves to use the word harassment to refer to sort of the investigative step by any investigative body that he finds to be remotely displeasing. going all the way back to the special counsel robert mueller 's investigation, and the communication between his campaign and china, all the way up now to the new york attorney general's probe into his company's long and shall we say, extremely and extremely interesting business dealings in new york. anytime somebody is looking at anything from trump's history or current situation, and he doesn't like it, that's always the go-to word that he uses. and he doesn't very often use
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very much anything slightly more legally investigative to talk about these things. what's notable of course is the fact that ivanka cooperated. that's a huge deal for the committee. jared's cooperation is less big of a deal because he was traveling through the middle east on one of history's best time strips on january six. but ivanka was right there. the fact that she she played ball, and it's one of the biggest victories thus far for the panel. so it's not a surprise that the president is saying that is harassment and perhaps very nasty. >> hugo, to the point about harassment, i've got to admit i wanna make sure we get this. you have the january six committee chair bennie thompson backtracking after suggesting that trump will be asked to testify. and he signed the committee is and he said the committee is considering to interview the former president himself? >> so, my thoughts on the committee say that they have fought to approach the idea in private --
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discussions about eventually getting the former president to come in and then earlier this week, the chairman said himself, the committee will be prepared to, you know, consider having him come in for an interview. not least because trump said to the washington post that he might consider it. and i think it all goes back to what happened in the special counsel investigation, when he was still president, which is when he said he might be inclined to talk to mueller's team because he had done nothing wrong, and that was a terrible idea. because he says things untrue all the time he purges himself -- it may reach the determination -- >> hugo, betsy, thank you both so much for walking us through all of this. next, we're speaking with congresswoman sara jacobs, she's a member of the house foreign affairs committee. she's gonna give us her take on today's call by ukraine's president for more help from the world. later, healing from the pain of the pandemic, reverend william barber on why he he believes addressing poverty is the only way to truly move on.
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has done in places like bucha and irpin, his war crimes, they have permanently polluted his reputation. and the reputation of his government. >> uk prime minister, boris johnson, condemning russian president vladimir putin during his visit today to kyiv. johnson vowed to provide ukraine with more financial in military aid. what more can the u.s. do to help ukraine fight off russian forces? joining us now california congresswoman sara jacobs, she serves on the house foreign affairs committee. congresswoman, good to see. uber started continuing to see the diamonds -- eastern ukraine. i spoke with ambassador william taylor earlier, he said it could perhaps be a sign of desperation on the part of russia that they are continuing to attack civilians. your thoughts.
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a sign of desperation? >> i think that's exactly right. it's clear that the more desperate putin and russia gets, the more we are seeing an increase in the civilian targets. i am very concerned because we've heard that they are now bringing the general who was in charge of russia's engagement in syria, to lead this war in ukraine and we know that the kinds of tactics russia used in syria where a poor and and i'm very concerned that this targeting of civilians and these atrocities are only gonna increase under this general. i do think that it's clear that it is a sign of desperation on the part of vladimir putin. it's also clear that it means that we, the united states, and our nato partners and allies
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around the world, need to continue sending defensive weapons to ukraine so they can continue to defend their country, pushed back, and do what they can to protect their civilians. >> another question for you, what is accountability for the russian government look like for these apparent war crimes? >> we you know, just this past week, congress passed a bill that directs the united states to begin investigating and collecting evidence of these war crimes in order to assist the future international war crimes investigations and hopefully after that tribunals. that will happen i think this will be an important piece of. it we know how important the evidence collection will be. it's also why i think the united states should finally join the icc, the international criminal court, as a real partner, so that we can do everything we can to hold russia accountable and make sure that we are holding everyone around the world who commits war crimes accountable. >> congresswoman, we talked a little bit about military aides, military supplies, there's of course a humanitarian tragedy that is unfolding before our eyes. what more does the u.s. need to be doing when it comes to that piece of this? >> president biden has been
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doing a great job and rallying our partners and allies around the world. the united states has promised over billion dollars in humanitarian assistance for ukrainians fleeing for european partners who are collecting, or the ones who are receiving most of those refugees, he also said that it will take up to 100,000 in united states. that's why i think we should lift the refugee cap altogether and make sure that we are doing but we can't welcome people fleeing here in the united states from everywhere that there is conflict. >> that refugee cap as we keep circling back to when we have this conversation. congresswoman, part of the challenge here is even as we deal with these challenges abroad, there are big challenges here at home. i want to ask you about a very specific part of the president
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's domestic agenda. do you see a path forward on passing extension of the child tax credit in the senate? >> i think there has to be a path forward because it's simply unconscionable that we, in january, led to 3 million children fall back into poverty that we had just taken out of. i am very frustrated with my colleagues who say that we can't do this because of some false idea of fiscal responsibility. actually, a new study from columbia has shown that, while expanding the child tax credit to a universal level would cost about 97 billion dollars, we actually get a return of over 980 billion dollars. so if you ask any investor if they would make an investment within 1000 percent return on investment, i guarantee you they would take it. so it seems to me morally wrong and fiscally irresponsible that we are -- that it is so hard to get this passed in the united states congress. >> a policy that actually has been proven to work. congresswoman, sarah jacobs, as always, thank you for being with us. still to come, a professor who has spent her career studying autocrats like putin tells us why she believes america's republican party truly has a putin problem. but first, reverend william
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approaching grim milestone. covid has taken the lives of nearly 1 million americans. that milestone a reminder of this pandemic's toll, but as you all know, this pandemic has not affected all communities equally. essential and frontline workers unable to work from home we are high risk of infection from the start. women, in particular women of color, also faced incredible challenges as moms dropped out of the workforce to care for their children. and a new study out this week's finds new light on the pandemic's impact on america's poor. people in low income counties died of covid in nearly two times the rate of wealthier counties.
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that's according to the findings of the poor peoples campaign and the -- during the delta surge, the death rate for a lower income americans jumped to five times higher. with me now, reverend william barber co-chair of the poor peoples campaign. also with me marissa rene lee, she is the author of the forthcoming book grief's love, living with loss. it's available april 12th. i'm happy to see you both. reverend, i will start with you. in an op-ed for the washington post, you end reverend list joe harris quote, america's healing it will not be complaining until we address the poverty at the root of our covid catastrophe. looking at the study of the counties of with the highest covid death rates, talk to me about the impact poverty as had and what if anything from that study surprised you most? >> most of what it did, alicia, it hurt deeply. it was almost like the thing that i feared the most came true. you think about this, during delta, it was five times higher among poor low were people, and the government didn't keep track, didn't keep the rate of. this the study opens by saying the pandemic didn't
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discriminate, but we did. that discrimination was deadly. vaccination status does not explain these distances. counties with the highest death rates had within 45% poverty rate. and it looks like what people don't have even before covid, the lack of insurance, the lack of middle wage, the lack of paid leave off, we put poor people at risk and kept them at risk, naming them essential workers, a lot of them have been for service workers. there is another reason why we are saying we must have, on june 18th, a mask poor people low wage work assembly we -- can no longer dismiss what is happening to 140 million people in this country who are poor and the wealth. 43% of adult population and 12% of our children. >> marissa the loss has been an even, so too has the grief. >> yes, absolutely it has. i think it is in this country,
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unfortunately, we have come to normalize black grief and black pain. when most of the people die happen to be people of color, unfortunately, i think fewer people pay attention. even before covid, black children are three times more likely than white children to lose some other, and by the time black americans hit 30, they are three times as likely to have lost a close family member than white americans. so i think, as we take a step back and try to examine what we need to do on the hopeful other side of this pandemic, there is a big piece around race that has to be addressed. black people need to be given an opportunity to grieve, and to heal, and that takes resources, that was -- her reverend barber, black americans often don't have in america. >> reverend barber, to the, point would do you want our government to take away from the study?
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would you want them to do? >> first of all, i do want to make one thing -- black people in our study are disproportionately. but in numbers, more white people died. and a lot of white people are poor and low wealth. but what we want to say is we cannot be a country that continues to deny people universal health care, deny living wages, deny leave. and deny services. if we had been tracking this and looking at what it was doing to poor people and essential workers, we would be -- services different, again, because we weren't even caring about how it was impacting poor people, there was no research being done on, that there was
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no data being kept. in some places, they deliberately was denied. we end up with this gross, grotesque amount of death among the poor, the pandemic's deaths come the death of the poor. and we cannot continue to write peoples lives off. that's why poor people are saying, we will not be silent anymore, we are feeling for this mass assembly on june 18th in washington to demand an agenda in this country that begins with how do we lift poor lower wealth people? because if you do that everyone else rises. >> he's such a systems thinking and he's thinking of these challenges in terms of system, how you move things for, it how you prove -- i also want to zoom out and this is part of the reason why wanted to talk to you, marissa, we are a country living with an incredible amount of grief we are individuals who have not processed grief. i'm tugging reverence point that there has to be reparations and assistants moving forward. even at a personal and community level need to grapple with our grief and our loss. >> yeah. we cannot move forward in this
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country from this moment of immense and pervasive suffering without taking a moment to acknowledge all that has been lost. you know, as folks prepare for summer camps, vacations, etc etc, we need to remember that for millions, literally millions of individual americans and people all around the world, there is no returning to normal because one of their people is no longer here. and so, i think ensuring that we, as a country, both individually and collectively, just take a moment to pause, to more, to acknowledge all that has changed, and everyone who's no longer with us anymore. it's a critical component to heed the healing process. >> reverend barber, i've got a minute left. i gotta ask, you the rally q 18th, what's your message to members of congress? >> it is that poverty is a political choice, it is not a personal choice.
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low wealth is the same. we do not have this scarcity of resources. we don't have the scarcity of ideas. and we're gonna put a face on this then. we won't be speaking for -- like the young lady in mississippi who lost 25 family members from covid in a 30 mile radius! we cannot have ideas like this, saying go on, act like things as normal. what caused that? what are we doing that which is a country in the nation's, we have the greatest health care in the world, and yet, we have this kind of pervasive death. something is wrong. we've got to fix it. we've got a look at it across the board, and we've got a demand that happens. >> 25 family members, that is a horror! reverend barber, marisa renee lee, think you so much. notice as forthcoming book, grief is love, living with loss, is available on april 12th. next, the far-right's love affair with putin, maybe on fritz for a moment. now another eastern european
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strongman is the target of their affection. ruth ben-ghiat after the break. meantime, reports in ukraine russia atrocities were not limited to kyiv. here's sky news is jason falling in odessa. >> ukrainians here in the south have not just seen the horrors left behind, when the russian's retreat in the north. those try to push back here, say they're witnessing the same thing. daniel salam has just returned from fighting in russian held kherson. >> people are laying down the streets. thats it, civilians, women, children, grown-up people, it's the same thing in bucha. the whole ukraine is like that now. seven hundred and thirty dollars. (customer) that's something. (burke) get a whole lot of something with farmers. ♪we are farmers.bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum♪ covid-19 moves fast, and now you can too by asking your healthcare provider
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>> the scene was catastrophic. it was damage both on the platform and out front. both of these places where thousands of people were waiting, mostly mothers, their children, infants, babies in strollers, seniors, people with disabilities, these were all civilians that were there. and we saw many, many casualties. we saw burned cars with people still in them. it was a horrific site that is nothing short of murder. >> that was an aid worker recounting the nightmarish scene at the train station bombed by russia friday in ukraine. the death toll continues to rise. last check, at least 55
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civilians reported death. it's the latest russian atrocity to shock the world less than a week after ukrainian forces found evidence of civilians tortured in bucha. president putin denying responsibility for the alleged war crimes, as one autocracy expert says, the gop is looking to him for cues. joining me now, ruth ben-ghiat. she is professor of history at new york university, and author of strongmen: mussolini to the president. ruth, why is putin resorting to this increasingly brutal attacks? and what could this signal about the length of the war? >> so, you know, putin is resorting to things that he's done before in other places. and this is somebody who just as he doesn't respect the rule of law at home, he has no interest, and in fact, he has scorn for international protocols of diplomacy, rules, there's a reason that russia is
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called a mafia state. it's a lawless entity. and you know, he has to compensate for deficiencies in conventional warfares, so he's using these terror tactics. and unfortunately, we shouldn't be surprised if we see him resort also to chemical weapons, because that too he has done. he did it in syria. so russia's menu of waging war the way they wage war is full of these were crimes, terror tactics, and you know, where is we see atrocities, putin sees a record of success because as he did this over the years, including in syria, he was able to, you know, to concentrate has power at home. he didn't pay a huge international price. so in his mind, why not continue to do it, especially when conventional warfare is going badly? >> okay. so you have all of that, and then, you have the associated press reporting russia's considering even harsher
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restrictions on the media, with a bill to shut down any outlet that criticizes the war. a few things. one, is that an additional form of compensation, as you say? and how successful has the kremlin's propaganda campaign been so far? >> it is an additional way. and it's a reaction to actually, we're getting very interesting reports that some russians don't want to fight this war. most recently, there were 12 members of the regional national guard who refused to, you know, sign up, who refused to go to ukraine. there is a lawyer in moscow was taking cases of people, and they're calling to stop this now. so these are signs along with reports that some russian soldiers are surrendering on the battlefield. and so, you know, we're isn't just about military might. it's about morale and combat motivation.
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and what's happening, and this is why the kremlin is gonna crack down at home, is inevitably happening in all wars. which is communications pipeline, when truth of the battlefield trickles back to soldiers families and their communities, and so, the kremlin, it doesn't surprise me that the kremlin is trying to clamp down when there is evidence that people know what they're getting in for. and it's very devastating when you realize that when your leader doesn't care about you, and is willing to have a war of attrition, and use u.s. cannon fodder, you think twice about signing up. >> you have written, ruth, about the gop's embrace of belarus's leader, viktor orban, and an interview with the washington post, former president trump actually taking credit for orban's reelection. how dangerous is it for trump to be endorsing this autocrat? >> you know, there are so much to focus on in trump, trying to take a wrecking ball to democracy at home. and all the damage he did, which we still, i believe, haven't fully assessed, that
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it's easy to forget that he's had a goal was to really take america out of the democratic order and inserted into an autocratic order. and he made one of the many things to legitimize, was that it became okay to admire autocrats. and he turned the gop into this kind of authoritarian party, which now is very comfortable praising putin, tucker carlson, you know, media allies on fox. say, why should i hate putin? i'm for putin. and they also are, you know, i of viktor orban in hungary. and you know, there's a whole or whole tucker carlson broadcast, about hungary. mike pence tried for the demographic summit. there's a lot of ideological affinities, lgbtq, anti -- so we shouldn't be surprised
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that the gop is so pro urban, and see that as actually meeting in budapest next month. >> ruth ben-ghiat, as always, i'm so grateful for your time, and for talking us through all of this. more american voices, after the break. undermined to catch the latest addition to our weekend lineup. tomorrow morning, katie feng will speak with florida gubernatorial candidate, representative charlie chris. catch the katie feng show on weekend, 7 am eastern, right here on msnbc. wayfair's got just what you need to be outdoorsy. your way! shop the biggest selection of outdoor furniture
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for today. i'm alicia menendez, i will see you back here tomorrow, 6 pm eastern for more american voices. but for, now i headed over to my colleague, ayman. . >> hey alicia, great show, it's always good to see you my friend, enjoy the rest of your evening. good evening to you at home as well. welcome to ayman. coming up this hour, brother-in-law who escaped the atrocities in bucha share the hiring stories. plus, the text messages that could put one of trump's adult children at the center of the january six investigation. and then the disgraceful acts from senator republicans just moments before ketanji brown jackson was confirmed to the supreme court. i'm ayman. let's get started. today, new pledges of help from the international community, and new accusations


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