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good day from msnbc world headquarters in new york. welcome to alex witt reports, i'm cori coffin. ukraine prepares for a fierce battle coming up in the donbas region. satellite images captured friday show a military convoy east of kharkiv eight miles long and moving south. they say the convoy is made up of hundreds of armored vehicles, trucks and tow artillery. president volodymyr zelenskyy is holding out for a peace agreement. there are new signs today that ukraine may finally be getting
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some of the weapons it's been asking for. >> along with chairman milley, i spent two hours on the phone with the chief of the armed forces and president zelenskyy's top aid. we went through every weapons system they're seerking in priority order and we've developed plans to deliver them as rapidly as possible. some have been delivered. others are in the process of being delivered. >> british officials say president boris johnson was very specific about the kinds of weapons he's willing to deliver. >> they talked about more antitank missiles and also supplying some heavy armor, and the prime minister has announced another $150 million worth of heavy equipment, all defensive, but all to help ukraine fight the russians. >> we have several nbc news
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crews in place. nbc's ali arouzi in lviv, cnbc's charlotte reid is in paris covering the french election and the impact it could have on ukraine. and richard lui has more on the shipping crisis and the impact on wheat prices. we want to bring with ali arouzi in lviv. these russian tanks are sig snalg a new stage in this war. what's the latest? >> reporter: that's right, cori. images show an eight-mile-long con void filled with armored vehicles, a whole host of heavy goods heading south. they're right now east of kharkiv and the intelligence is saying they're probably heading to izzium, a town the russians captured about a week ago. it's very strategic because they'll probably use it as a launching ground, a staging
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ground to attack the town of slof yank. that's going to be key in this battle. it's in the donbas region. if they can capture that, that's going to give them a pretty straight shot into the donbas area. people are expecting a very bloody battle once the russians get into position, get those armored vehicles and tanks into there. the ukrainians are bracing for this. they've been waiting for weeks. they know the russians have refocused all their efforts on the donbas area. they're digging in. they know it's going to be a hard fight. let's take a listen to what the ukrainian foreign minister had to say about this. >> ukraine won the battle for kyiv. now another battle is coming, the battle for donbas. of course we're preparing working with our partners to get all necessary weapons, and the united kingdom has been taking the lead in working with us on the issues which we need the
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most, such as har mored vehicles or short vessel weapons to contain the black sea fleet of the russian federation. >> reporter: with all this hardware, cori, they're changing their top brass. they've appointed a new general to oversee the region, general dvornikov. he has a wealth of experience fighting in syria, considered a hero in russia. other people would say he has launched a brutal campaign in syria. they're expecting that same sort of brutality to be launched in the donbas area by him. he was accused of bombing hospitals and civilian areas in syria. we've seen them do that here in ukraine. they're expecting a much wider campaign of brutality by him. but it's going to be much more coordinated. before he was appointed none of the jns and commanders were really working in cohesion with each other.
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they all splintered off into different university. they think he's going to bring all the units, the ground troops, air troops together and focus sthar attacks very heavily on the donbas area. the ukrainians are bracing for a brutal campaign in the coming days. as you mentioned in your lead, they are getting more military held from other countries including the u.k. so hopefully that will help them in their fight against the russians. >> these next few days are going to be incredibly important. ali arouzi, thank you. the invasion of ukraine is looming large over french's presidential election. cnbc's charlotte reid is in paris. a tight finish is expected between emmanuel macron and marine le pen. you're at le pen's headquarters. what's the mod like there? >> reporter: huge interest from media across the world.
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up until very recently, we expected quite an easy win for emmanuel macron. earlier he benefited from a rally around the flag effect, when the war started. over the past couple weeks we've seen the trend in the polls change very much. we've seen far ride candidate marine le pen catch up in the polls. there's been no campaigning and no polls on saturday and sunday today. we're waiting to hear the results. from what we've seen, the contender whom he faced already in 2017 in the last election. we have to wait about 15 minutes to see if we have a rerun the same as we saw in the last presidential election. >> is that how quickly we could know about round two of voting? would it be announced right away if one candidate has not received at least 50% of the vote and there will be that
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runoff? >> reporter: yes, at 8:00 p.m. paris time we will find out what the result is. remember, this is a two-round election. we will find out around 8:00 p.m., which one of the two candidates have the top result. these two candidates will face off in two weeks for the second round. these two weeks in between is extremely important. debates between the two candidates. there will be a lot at stake in the next two weeks to find out who will be the next president. one thing you need to know is in 20 years, no incumbent has managed to get re-elected in france. it will be interesting to see if emmanuel macron can do it. >> i'm curious how is the war in ukraine impacting what voters are thinking about there? >> reporter: again, there was a rally around the flag effect for emmanuel macron a few weeks ago, above 30% of voting attention in the first round.
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in the last count it was closer to 24%. one of the top concerns for french voters has been the cost of living and the loss of purchasing power. that's really impacted some of the opinion here. the far right candidate marine le pen has been campaigning on this topic and she's been benefiting from this. with the start of the war in ukraine, people have been worried about the impact of sanctions as well and rising energy crisis. really, the cost of living and purchasing power has come at the heart of the campaign and has taken all the attention. marine le pen has benefited slightly in the last two weeks on this topic. >> charlotte reed in paris, thank you. we'll keep an eye on the exit polls which come at the top of the hour. first, more on the growing threat from russia. i'd like to bring in someone whose country had first-hand experience with a russian invasion.
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we're talking about the president of georgia. madam president, welcome in. we're honored to have you on our program today. before i get to your country's experience with russia and this on going war, i want to ask you about what we just heard from charlotte reporting there, president macron facing a potential loss to far right challenger despite the strength against ukraine. is this alarming to you at all? >> it is very alarming if that were to be true. for us it's very important that the european leader, the most pro european leader which is emmanuel macron, and that's together with germany with
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shultz. they make a strong europe, a europe that defended ukraine and opening to the three seceded countries, georgia, moldova and, of course ukraine first. in fact, we are tomorrow going to receive the questionnaire for candidates and these are very important steps. these are the real answers to the russian invasion. so it would be a very major concern to see -- closer to putting candidate winning over the race in france. that's something that would concern, i guess, all the countries that are dependent on a strong europe, a europe that has a vision for its own future, a vision for its partners. >> madam president, you're supporting ukraine in this war. some factions in your country are criticizing you for that. how difficult is this to stand up against that criticism, and who are these critics who might
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be siding with russia in your country? >> well, i don't think that there are too many that are siding with russia. there are different views on how to express support, but i think one thing has shown clearly and that's the support of the georgian population. as the president of the whole of georgia, i'm representing the georgian population's position towards ukraine and that is total solidarity. i was very glad, for instance, to have today in the presidential palace ukrainian orchestra of women because, of course, the men cannot leave, that was rehearsing for tomorrow's concert of solidarity. there have been many expressions of this solidarity. that is what georgia can do. of course, we are not a country that, given our situation, the occupation of our territories and our resources, we cannot provide arms, we cannot be doing
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what countries that are a part of the european union or nato can do, but moral support is very important, and i stand for that. >> let me ask you, madam president, are you personally in touch with president zelenskyy? if so, what is your understanding of where things are today in ukraine? >> well, i think what i've heard also through your channels is that the situation is very dire, everybody is expecting a second stage of the russian invasion and one that has not been -- and that's something we shouldn't forget, has not been successful in this first 46 days, if i'm not mistaken, and that's a huge success for ukrainians. now russia is trying to recomposite self, changing general, changing probably
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strategy, but not changing the strategy which is to be directed against civilians and not only against the military forces, and that is something that should mobilize the whole of the western world. it's not acceptable that in the 21st century, a war of that crime is led against civilian populations. bucha is not acceptable in the 21st century. that is something that should unite all the people that share democratic values in the world, and in our case, that's your case, and we are are united against this violence. >> it is something your country has painful experience with all too well. for anyone not familiar, russia invaded georgia in 2008 and declared two autonomous regions.
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how much of russia's tactics in ukraine similar similar to you in how they played out in georgia or are they completely different situations? >> it looked at the beginning that it was similar with the occupation and declaration, in the same time frame with the declaration of the territories as independent and recognition of this independence. so there was similarities. and, of course, the way russia invades its neighboring country and behaves is very similar. what is not similar is, of course, the dimension of the countries, the resources of the countries and the way -- and i have to repeat that the way ukraine has been resilient, has been able to defend itself despite the very brutal aggression of the russian forces is something that we all admire,
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of course, the size of our countries are not comparable, but the fight that the ukraines are now leading is a fight not only for themselves for their independence, but also for us, for the security and freedom of the black sea and for the security and freedom of a large part of europe. that's something we should all remember. >> for the security and freedom of democracy itself as well. ukraine and russia are said to be negotiating in search of a diplomatic solutions. what lessons can zelenskyy learn from negotiations with georgia? >> as you know, we have a cease-fire that was respected after five days of war, so it was much shorter. but elements of that cease-fire agreement are still not completely respected. for instance, there is the european union mission on the
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separation line on the abl between the occupied territories. that mission according to the cease-fire agreement should have been able to control the whole territory that is occupied by russian military forces and military bases. so it will be very important during the negotiations to make sure that the capacities, the resources are there to monitor every element that will be agreed during the negotiation. nothing should be left -- there are no details that are not important, and the guarantees should be very effective. there should be forces on the ground for the guarantees. >> that's something your country has experience with as well. putin saying one thing about his occupation is going to mean to the country. in reality a very different thing coming to light. zelenskyy has been very clear that he wants peace. he spoke today about putting
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negotiations aside to negotiate with a murderer in a wider public interest. what will he have to give up in exchange for an agreement with russia? >> that's very difficult to say from outside, because it's only the country itself that is engaged in this terrible war and ha is paying the price, that can know what it can give in exchange for peace. that is something that i certainly will not volunteer to try to foresee in advance. >> do you see an off-ramp for russia here, just with your experience with vladimir putin and given that there are occupied territories in your country, do you have a sense of what his end game could look like in ukraine? >> well, i don't think he knows himself what is the end strategy and what he's looking for because clearly the vat gee has been changing and what is very
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clear that this country and you're now showing the pictures, the country is destroyed and what is very clear is that ukrainian people will not be able to be friendly people with russia for a very, very long time to come. so what is it that russia will gain from this war? it's not very clear. so i don't think there is a strategy. there is what i would call the habit to invade neighboring countries as a tradition or something of that kind, but doesn't have a logical strategy, a logical vision of what to expect afterwards. >> a most horrific, vile tradition. how does this compare to how the u.s. responded to the invasion of georgia in 2008? >> i think in general, and that is probably something that president putin did not expect,
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was the fact that there is unity between europeans and americans, complementary even, i would say. that is something that, after the withdrawal in afghanistan, probably was not expected. probably counting on the fact that the u.s. would turn towards asia and forget more about europe. that has not happened. i think it's very important, this solidarity -- the unit among europeans is extremely important and the unity between europeans and the americans. that's again where the french election comes in. if that were to change, that would be a win for president putin that i hope nobody will want to give him. >> of course, georgia is not a member of nato. your country has just applied for membership in the european union. when you look at how they reacted to ukraine, do you
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believe there could be -- do you worry if there is any continuing threat to georgia, the european union and nato's response for your own country? >> well, the country -- after the war in georgia, georgia has not changed its path toward europe. it has continued. it has accelerated. it has been reinforced. i think what we're seeing today fwrogt the european union and in the declarations of stoltenberg, is that those organizations, if anything, are accelerating their open door policy. not the same qualification. but what we're seeing is that tomorrow we'll receive the questionnaire from the european union which is a very important
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one that we didn't expect for at least a couple years and has been accelerated since, of course, to the ukrainian fight and thanks to the fact that the european union is considering today it has to respond in a different manner, a more political manner to the expectations of those partners that are on its borders and are expecting to get closer and closer. >> president zourabichvili, thank you for joining us. we appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> no easy answers. the new report about the january 6th committee and what might lie ahead for the former president. that's next. ♪ ♪
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new developments today in the investigation into the january 6th attack on capitol
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hill. "the new york times" reports the house committee has enough evidence to make a criminal referral to the justice department but are split on whether or not to do so according to people involved in the discussions. nbc's allie raffa on capitol hill. what's holding them back? >> reporter: cori, remember the original goal of the committee is to investigate the attack on the capitol and make sure it can never happen again. after months of investigating members are telling "new york times" they actually have evidence of criminal charges for former president trump, and the times is reporting that members are disputing and conflicted over whether to send those charges and refer those charges to the justice department for possible criminal convictions. this is significant, cori. we've seen members of trump's inner circle, like steve bannon, dan scavino, mark meadows, have their criminal contempt referrals sent to the justice department. but so far the former president
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himself hasn't officially been involved. now committee vice chair was asked about this on cnn this morning. take a listen. >> we have not made a decision about referrals on the committee. i think that it is absolutely the case, absolutely clear that what president trump was doing, what a number of people around him were doing, that they knew it was unlawful, and they did it anyway. i think what we've seen is a massive and well-organized and well-planned effort that used multiple tools to try to overturn an election. >> reporter: cheney went on to dispute reports of a dispute between committee members. she said and has said for months that the evidence is out there. one specific piece of evidence she's referenced publicly is a federal judge's ruling last month that says, quote, there is a more likely than not possibility that trump attempted to illegally obstruct congress
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in his effort to overturn the election results. she also said that trump's tweets lay out perfectly his plans to overturn the election results. the times says there are several factors that committee members are considering in this. several factors could worsen or complicate things. for example, there's a possibility a criminal referral of trump could jeopardize the chances of other criminal referral that the house has sent to the doj because it may look like political pressure from a democratic majority congress on the justice department to get this done. there is a lot left to do from the committee. the clock is ticking here. they have an unofficial deadline of the midterm elections to get all this wrapped up and done, cori. >> allie raffa on capitol hill, thanks. let's bring in jacqueline alemany, a "washington post" congressional investigations reporter and msnbc contributor. welcome in, jacqueline. thanks for being here. we heard the white house may have enough evidence to make a
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criminal deferral to the doj. can you explain the doj's reluctance to open a criminal investigation? >> the department of justice has been saying all along that the investigation they're conducting on the january 6th insurrection was going to be a bottom-to-top approach. as our reporting has indicated, they're really only halfway up that tier now. they haven't gotten close to pressing charges against the former president. if you look at the progress they've made recently, we were the first to report several weeks ago that they have convened a grand jury and are already looking at those who were involved in the planning and logistics around the rally who have received subpoenas to appear before that grand jury, although it's unclear exactly what the target of that investigation is. we know they're interested in the financing, planning and
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execution of the rally, as is the purpose of a grand jury is to keep things as secret as possible, we don't know who exactly they're honing in on and whether or not they'll ultimately pursue any criminal investigation as a result of that grand jury. >> to another justice department investigation. you write in "the washington post" that the justice department plans to investigate 15 boxes of white house documents. some of those had labels of top secret that donald trump apparently took to mar-a-lago after he left office. for this move here, is the doj trying to signal that they are doing something, or do you believe this is a significant shift and this shows a ramping up of a different investigation into trump? >> i do think this is the doj trying to show they're taking action on a completely separate criminal investigation potentially into the former president, but again, we don't know actually what they are investigating. these are only preliminary
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phases that the department has taken plans to investigate the former president's removal of those 15 boxes. yes, there is a lot of political pressure and that all came to a head as oversight committee chairwoman carolyn maloney sent a letter to the department of justice, accusing them of interfering with her committee's parallel investigation because the department of justice was not allowing the committee to get a detailed inventory of what exactly was in these 15 boxes. meaning, we know already some of the documents listed in there were classified, some labeled as high as top secret, and these are things that the justice department has not wanted to give out to the oversight committee, potentially not to interfere with her own investigation. >> i was going to ask why would they not want to. it sounds like what you're saying is these documents might be sensitive enough to not allow the committee itself to bear
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witness of. >> yeah. at the end of the day, i think all of this kind of speaks to the way that these entities are supposed to function. congress and the doj are to conduct their same parallel investigations. at the end of the day, congress's investigations are purely political. i think congresswoman lofgren said that clearly to "the new york times" when she said a criminal referral to the department of justice regarding form are president trump would be superfluous and doesn't carry any legal weight. that said, political pressure, at least in the opinions of the lawmakers sitting on the panel, as you can tell by the public statements, they feel that might push the doj in the direction they want them to be moving, which to to take as aggressive a posture as possible against the
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former president. >> jacqueline alemany, thank you. trains stalled in ukraine and what's on board that's going nowhere could have an impact on millions of kitchen tables. we'll have all of that breakdown coming up next. meets power? you try crazy things... ...because you're crazy... ...and you like it. you get bigger... ...badder... ...faster. ♪ you can never have too much of a good thing... and power is a very good thing. ♪
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the masters, entering the day 16 strokes behind the leader. it's his first appearance in competitive golf since badly injuring his leg in a car crash 14 minutes ago. back to ukraine. a logistical crisis for the country as more than 24,000 rail cars transporting goods like grain, metal and coal are stuck along the country's borders. nbc's richard lui is at the big board. richie -- richard. i can call you richie. >> absolutely. this big question over the last six weeks, supply chain, supply chain, supply chain. feed the country and get military supplies to the front lines from behind the lines. yes, ukraine is facing a major logistical crisis with its railway specifically. for instance, when we just count the number of rail cars delayed, 4,190 stuck inside the country
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right now. they're carrying valuable exports. when you look at what they export, grain, vegetable oil, iron, metals, chemicals. they sell it so they can dpund their military. i want to look at grain itself. grain exports, we look at how much has been held back, that is worth right now stuck in the country $1 billion in just the month of march. the russian invasion has blocked exports. 98% of grain exports go through typically ports in the south. that's what we've been talking about, as the russian navy has been able to stop the ukrainian navy from being able to get their boats out safely. what do they do? they have to get it out through rail cars. about half of the rail cars are held right here in isof. these blue skinny lines, that's
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where the major rail lines are at. all of it is held right here on the border with poland at the moment. they can't get across. one reason pour the slowdown that seems simple but it's a big deal, how wide these tracks are placed apart. ukrainian railways were originally built to soviet standards. so what's in ukraine is the same that's in russia. what's in ukraine is not the same that's outside in the other nato kuns. the difference is this right here, roughly about three inches. that's all it takes. so they have to stop the trains to connect to polish tracks. each train, when you look at it, must slow down to about five miles an hour. they drive over a machine in the building that adjusts the width without stopping. sometimes cargo needs to be unloaded. this is very advanced. this is probably within the last ten years. this is the way they've done it
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for about 40 years in this video. it's a second way. they have to unbolt the wheel assemblies for one track width. then they bolt on another wheel add sembly. you can imagine how this can be slowed down by hours. in fact, i went through that process myself once and it does take a long time. a carryover from the world wars. one last key point when you look at it, this means it's easy for the russians to go through the borders with their trains and ram straight through. that's what they did during the old days, have different widths so they could go from east to west. this hurts ukraine because that means they have to stop, wait for that change and then move on. that makes it difficult to escape. one last point, it makes it very difficult to get the refugees out quickly. it's very slow. only 14% of the refugees have
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restrictions and lockdowns. >> it stinks, but we'll do what we have to do. >> reporter: with a steep increase in cases in philadelphia, tomorrow health officials will consider reinstituting the mask mandate for public spaces. >> i don't have a problem wearing one. i would prefer not to if i don't have to. >> reporter: cases on the rise in 27 states over the last 14 days with the omicron subvariant ba.2 now the nation's dominant strain accounting for three out of every four cases. the virus rippling through the nation's capital where cases have jumped by nearly 60%. last night agriculture secretary tom ville sec became the third biden cabinet member this week to announce he's tested positive, joining a growing list. he was one of several a-list guests to attend the glitzy gridiron dinner last week. 67 attendees have tested positive. the uptick comes as the subvariant marches through
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cities in western europe and explosion in asia. this morning shanghai completely locked down. 26 million people confined to their homes with a record 23,000 new cases recorded yesterday. the images overseas startling for americans. >> how worried should we be about a coming surge? >> we always need to keep our eye to what's happening in europe because that usually runs ahead of what happens here by about four to six weeks or so. >> despite the rising cases in the u.s., hospitalizations and deaths continue to fall. experts warn we should stay vigilant. >> i think the important thing to always remember is the virus is not done with us. >> the alarm bells still sounding in d.c. as several members of biden's inner circle were together at that dinner. the white house admitting that the president may, of course, test positive but also adding he's both vaccinated and boosted. >> steve patterson, thank you.
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i'd like to expand on that with jeff mason, white house correspondent for reuters. you weren't at the dinner. what's the reaction in d.c. circles? is it a big deal? >> certainly a big deal when a lot of people get sick. it's a sign that the ba.2 wave has hit washington, d.c. and it's hit at places where a lot of people are gathered. the gridiron dinner was one of them. >> do we know if covid protocols were followed? >> they were followed. you had to have proof of vaccination to attend. so everyone who attended had to submit a proof of vaccination. but it was a dinner where people were sitting next to each other clearly. there were no masks. there's not a mask mandate in washington, d.c. right now. so there were a lot of people in a room right at a time when, as we're now learning ba.2 was striking the city. >> something we don't know until it's already hit. just as steve patterson
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mentioned, president biden and vice president harris coming into contact with people who tested positive for covid in recent days. we also know that that event for judge ketanji brown jackson was held, people in close proximity as well. what's the temperature like in the white house right now? how big of a concern is this for the president? >> i thought it was interesting this last week there seemed to be a strategic tone shift in terms of messaging when press secretary jen psaki and kate bedingfield said look, it's possible president biden will get this. they've been saying for weeks the white house has taken precautions and they have. nonetheless, president biden did attend those two big events in the east room last week without wearing a mask. spoker pelosi ended up being one attendee who came later to test positive for covid. the messaging shift is to say, look, president biden might get it, too, sure, but they've also
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made a point of saying, and they're right about this, that it's different from two years ago in that we have vaccines, people have been boosted, the president has been vaccinated and boosted twice, and that is -- that will lead to having a less dangerous case than if those things weren't in place. >> i would like to pivot a little bit and continue on with judge jackson now. she only received throw republican votes for confirmation. senator lindsey graham defended his vote against jackson. are the days of big majority gone and all of this with the supreme court and the nominations, is this what we're looking like in the future when it comes to party line votes? is there no working together? what do you see i guess in the future? i guess that's a very negative tone to put on it. >> i think, number one, the white house is pleased they got a handful of republicans, three republicans to vote for judge jackson. so they can call it a bipartisan
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vote because it was. surely they would have liked to have had more. i thought it was interesting that president biden very specifically in his remarks that you're showing the clip of it now on friday discussed what she went through in that hearing and singled out without naming names the way some of the republicans treated her. jen psaki was asked that day if that was a foreshadowing of arguments we might hear on the campaign trail earlier this year. she said no, i don't know, we'll see. i think that's something the white house wants to be considerate about saying look, this was uncalled for. to get to your broader question, bipartisanship has been under attack in this capitol for years now and it's certainly continuing to be an issue. >> i think many generations don't remember a time when there was not that. they don't remember there was a time when there was people working together across the aisle. jeff mason, we'll leave it
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>> thank you for inviting us. i was living in irpin, close to bucha, like the same suburb, five minutes from car. my experience was horrible, a horrendous one. we stayed for a week in irpin hiding in our home in the basement. i have two kids, two small kids. honestly from the start, we judged this is a real war with air strikes, with artillery, with the shelling. we didn't have such experience with civilians. so as a family, we stayed for a long time and thought it's going to somehow stop, and then there was a moment when we understood, if we stay longer we will die or something horrible is going to happen. nastia and her mother had the same experience. the only thing is that bucha is
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the first place where this started. >> i want to ask about their experience as well. xenia, i can't imagine what you experienced in your short life so far. tell me about what you saw in bucha. >> me -- >> nastia's daughter. i'm so sorry for the confusion. nastia, we'd like to hear from you and xenia about your experience in bucha. >> it's very nice to meet you. i'm nast ka. i'm 15 years old. i'm a ukrainian from bucha. excuse me for my english. it's not perfect.
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for me it's easier -- to speak. >> i know this is difficult for you. >> it's not difficult. >> be strong. >> yes, i'll be strong. >> 21st of february, five families started to survive in the basement. there were 12 of us. there were also our pets, five dogs, two cats and a bird.
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on friday, the 4th of march we -- the morning was very quiet. we started -- we left in two cars, my dad's and my mom's car. they started shooting at us. i went down and hold my little dog. my dad had time to turn toward
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the army. when i got up, i saw terrible picture. my mom's car was on fire. >> that's not anything you should have to witness. xenia, let me ask you about -- excuse me. let me ask you, xenia, that must have taken incredible strength to get your daughter out amid all this. nastia mentioned russian soldiers were shooting at you. did they know there were women and children right in front of them that they were shooting at? >> first of all, all the civilian cars had signs that said children. a lot of people used white flags and had car windows open so the russian soldiers can see that they're a family. unfortunately, it wasn't stopping any of them.
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>> it sounds absolutely horrific. nastia's mother, the same question to you. hearing your daughter describe this to us, that people are shooting at you, that experience. talk to me about that. >> nastia, your mother can weigh in. you can let your mother speak. i know it's difficult for you. >> in car i shouted mom, mom and my mom get out of the car and i
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see -- and i see her. i was very happy because my mother is leaves the car. >> these are some of nastia's drawings that we're seeing on the air. i want to mention this quickly. >> yeah. this is my drawing. this is my picture, my artworks. >> i'm so sorry for what
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happened and what you witnessed and what your family has lost in all of this. we will leave it here for the time being, and thank you so much for all of you being in with us and telling your stories. it took incredibly bravery. please stay safe wherever you are. that will do it for me on this edition of alex witt reports. i'm cori coffin. ...badder... ...faster. ♪ you can never have too much of a good thing... and power is a very good thing. ♪
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