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tv   Katy Tur Reports  MSNBC  April 15, 2022 11:00am-12:00pm PDT

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good to be with you. i am katy tur. it's day 51 of russia's war on ukraine. here's what we know right now. the tension beyond ukraine's borders is building. for the first time u.s. officials are talking about nuclear weapons. the head of the cia openly stating that vladimir putin might be desperate enough to use a battlefield nuke. and the biden administration is now deciding to send military equipment that only a month ago some officials said would be too escalatory. at the same time europe is making moves that were once considered too risky, drafting an embargo on russian oil and it's lending to increase concerns that the conflict could spill out of ukraine and into the west. a white house official confirms to nbc news that russia did send
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a diplomatic letter to the u.s. warning against sending more arms to ukraine. nbc news has not seen the letter but "the washington post" was the first to report the letter threatened unpredictable consequences, that's a quote, if the u.s. and nato did not stop sending weapons. yet the pentagon is preparing 18 of the u.s. army's howitzers. it's an $800 million package. the pentagon says reflects the changing scope of the battle as russia refocuses on the donbas region in the east. we will speak with ned price
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from the state department in just a moment about all that. russia has faced setbacks, the sinking of the moskva. the battleship is now at the bottom of the black sea. and russia promises to renew attacks on kyiv as forces retreated from the capital city, and kyiv is on high alert. officials confirming three explosions today including at a missile factory on the outskirts of the city. joining me is foreign correspondent, ali arouzi.
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>> it's a place where they made land to air missiles and land to sea missiles, and we can't confirm that. according to the ukrainian media it's a place where they made the neptune missiles that hit the moskva ship. that's not the only place they have been hitting. they hit kharkiv as well this morning, and they hit a lot of residential areas in kharkiv, killing about seven people there this morning, including a 7-month-old baby. they injured another 34 people there. they also have focused their attacks on the east of the country in the donetsk area, and they want to make an attack on that area, and they hit 11 settlements in that area, and
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it's been fairly early since they hit it so we don't know what the death toll or wounded is there, so we will let you know when we get that. we spoke to the mayor of a pivotal town on the border between where the russians are trying to attack and where ukraine is, and he was speaking to us from his office and they are bracing themselves from an all-out attack from russia, and he was speaking to us on a zoom call, and he had a gun on the desk and he waved it about. let's listen to what he had to tell us. how important is it to hold off on any acts? if russia takes your town, is that it for the donbas region? >> translator: the authorities and the army know about it too and are preparing for it, and
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will further prepare for it, and if there's going to be a reverse offensive for them, and if ukraine will smash their troops, then i think they also understand that it's going to be already probably an actual defeat in war. >> reporter: so that's really going to be the focus for the tension of the russians, the hold on that area, and if they take that they can circle entire ukrainian troops in that area. they will probably throw all they can at that area. for the last few days they have been hampered by bad weather and a resistance by the ukrainians, and as we have seen it before, there's a massive column of russian hardware coming to that area, and they are putting tens of thousands of troops there so it's going to be a pretty tough battle in the coming days and weeks in that area. and to update you on something else we heard this morning, the
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kyiv police are saying in the entire kyiv region they found 900 bodies of civilians in that area that were killed by the russians when they were occupying bucha and there are still people unaccounted in that area so they are expecting that number to tick up. >> wow. 900 bodies. ali, thank you very much. and now joining me from lviv, he has been on the ground in ukraine documenting the impact of the conflict on civilians there. he previously served as spokesman for the organization for security and cooperation in europe. michael, 900 bodies in bucha. i know there's a documentation process going on right now to gather all the evidence of war crimes and to try and link it to troops that were in that vicinity when this stuff happened, and talk to me about
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that process and how you preserve that information. >> sure. good to be with you, katy. ukraine right now is the most open crime scene in the world, and not only do you have those figures but it's on a wide geographical scale and it's hard to document these cases, because let's face it, there's a conflict going on as we speak. your correspondent is correct, i am in kyiv and the city is very, very much on edge. more bombing expected tonight. the ukrainians have an excellent record when it comes to really documenting war crimes, things like mh 17 and other atrocities committed here in ukraine, and they don't go to the international court without very solid evidence. they have experts here that have been trained over the years, so i think they will be in a very good position to present rock
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solid evidence to the icc. >> we have news out of the white house. this is from our nbc reporting team at the white house and in washington. ukrainian president zelenskyy asked president biden to designate russia as a state sponsor of terrorism, and if the white house were to do that it would trigger tough sanctions, and the only ones considered that is iran, north korea, syria and cuba. what do you think of the idea? there has been so many ways in which the west is trying to close in on russia. would this make a difference? >> i am not so sure. i mean, why didn't they declare russia a state sponsor of terrorism in july 17th, 2014, 298 victims there.
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many other cases of state sponsored terrorism from the russian side, and i argued for a long time the sanctions should have been leveled a long time ago, even before the fighting began. i don't think that even, you know, threatening mr. putin with ending up in the international court himself would deter him. it's a sad thing and scary thing from where i sit, it looks like they are out for out right destruction of what was and what is a thriving democracy. i think what little leverage remains on the western side is putting more pressure on countries that have influence on the actions of the kremlin. >> tell me what you have seen with your own eyes? >> we are closure to the russian border, and this is a town that
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has been under siege for many, many days. massive widespread destruction there. i have to say, i have been to gaza and other conflict scenes around the world, and this really topped a lot of what i have seen in the past. i mean, i was looking -- you know, my eyes were watering up and they are watering up right now, a big hole where a russian missile landed and there were crushed teddy bears in it, and a house next to it was flattened, and teddy bears and toys. to me this indicates great violations of international humanitarian law. also, just unfathomable sense, and today we saw a stadium, and a densely populated apartment buildings, and i asked what do you need, and the number one
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thing, we need peace and housing. we need a roof over our head. a sad and difficult day today. >> i don't know what kind of person can target a place where there are children, knowingly do so. we have seen so many instances of this across ukraine now. it's just horrific. michael, thank you so much for joining us today. we appreciate your time and everything you have seen. joining us now is state department spokesperson, ned price. great to have you. i want you to comment on the news that president zelenskyy is asking president biden to designate russia a state sponsor of terrorism? >> katy, we have already levied against the russian federation together with 30 of our allies around the world and across 40 continents, and the most economic sanctions that have ever been levied against any single country, and we are
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looking at all options, and if the tool will be effective we won't hesitate to use it. >> are you saying you have enough sanctions there that it would be in all but name that russia is a state sponsor of terrorism. >> our response will continue to escalate, and we will continue to do a few different things. we will continue to provide massive amounts of assistance to our ukrainian partners to see they can defend themselves on the battlefield, and we will continue to escalate the economic pressure to make sure the cost of the war and the repercussions of it are bourne borne by the decision makers, and --
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>> like so many other outlets we have news about the letter that was sent to washington from vladimir putin warning washington to stop sending weapons. we are, at the same time, sending 800 million worth of aid and munitions, and some of the stuff was off the list before. it seems like the united states is calling vladimir putin's bluff. why? >> because big countries don't bluff. before this aggression began we were clear if russia's invasion of ukraine we would move forward and do those three things, provide a massive amount of security assistance to ukraine, and we provided more than $3 billion during the course of the administration, and number two, we would levy the sanctions against russia, and we would
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reinforce nato including the eastern flank. president biden has said repeatedly that we don't bluff. vladimir putin should not have thought we were bluffing when we said we were going to do those things. i can't comment on any diplomatic correspondent, but i will say, precisely the types of weapons and supplies the ukrainians have requested, and the ukrainians are using the security assistance to extraordinary affect, to push back the russian aggressors, but, yes, guilty as charge. >> you don't have to comment on the letter, but we reported on the letter, and it says unpredictable consequences, and we are still ending all the aid. what could the unpredictable consequences be? and are you calling his bluff --
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>> i will not comment on the kremlin's bluster. we have been clear with the strategy and with the russians in public and in private, and we will support ukraine and consequences. no amount of bluster from the kremlin will change that. >> i wonder where the line is at, and where is the line between sending helicopters, anti-tank -- et cetera, et cetera, for who knows how long. where is the line between that and getting involved in the physical fighting? what do you see vladimir putin doing if the united states or nato gets involved to actually protect the civilians of ukraine? >> well, we are providing our ukrainian partners with security assistance precisely --
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>> i know we are with aid, but i am talking about getting involved with boots on the ground or missiles of our own? >> everything we are doing here is to provide our ukrainian partners with what they need to defend themselves. we certainly cannot equate what the russians are doing to the people or country of ukraine, and with what the ukrainians are doing. ukrainians are engaged in self defense, and we are providing them with security assistance and humanitarian support so they can engage in self defense, and the russian federation is engaging in war, and the ukrainian people with great and determination are fighting back. that's not something that we can equate. >> you had said to cnn that if vladimir putin were to use a nuclear weapon or other type of wmd that it would have a cascade of consequences not only from the united states but from
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allies and partners from around the world. is that more sanctions or would that trigger boots on the ground? >> look, i will not go into the specifics of this. you heard the president say there would be profound consequences. there's a degree of ambiguity here because it would be the height of irresponsible for putin to use any type of weapon of mass destruction. you heard from the president that there would be consequences not only from the united states but we would ensure the consequences would be tough. >> it seems like you are sending a lot of munitions and russia sees that as aggressive and they have said so. are you just worried about russia if nato or the u.s. or west gets involved, or are you also worried about china,
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crossing a line with them? explain to me what vladimir putin might do or others might do if we get involved? >> katy, we are not contemplating getting involved in this effort militarily. what we are doing is providing our ukrainian partners with what they need on the ground to take on this aggression. >> i know that. i don't mean to talk in circles with you, ned, and when i am asking why we are not getting involved, and what do we expect the response to be if we were to get involved? why are we not getting involved? because we say it would trigger world war iii? what does that look like according to the u.s. government? >> katy, we have an obligation to do everything with our ukrainian partners and bring this conflict to a close as quickly as we can, and we don't want to do anything to see this conflict expanded and potentially become a conflict between nato and russia or between the united states and russia, and president biden has
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an obligation to this country, to the american people to see to it that americans are not on the ground fighting and dying. what we are doing is providing effective security assistance to our ukrainian partners and you can see the effectiveness that these weapons and supplies are having by the toll they are taking on russian forces on the ground inside of ukraine. vladimir putin, when he first started this war against ukraine, he thought he would be in a position to overtake kyiv and the country within a matter of days, within 48 to 72 hours, potentially only slightly longer. we are now seven weeks into this, and that's a result of a couple different things. one, the bravery, grit and determination of the people of ukraine, and they have been able to exhibit those traits precisely because the united states and 30 countries around the world have been providing security assistance, the likes of which and the pace of which we have not seen in a full generation. >> ned, can you tell me how long the u.s. assesses russia will be
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able to continue this war? >> we don't have an assessment to offer, but what i can say is we are doing everything and primarily using those two strategies, supporting our ukrainian partners and holding the kremlin to account to see to it that this conflict is brought to a close as quickly and swiftly as possible, and ultimately to see to it that there's a sovereign whole ukraine and that this is a strategic and lasting defeat for the russian federation. secretary blinken said on a number of occasions, thrill westbound a sovereign and independent free ukraine for much longer than vladimir putin is on the scene. >> ned price, it's always good to have you on. thank you for taking my questions. >> thanks, katy. republicans are pushing ahead of the 2022 midterms. and the new quick covid test given the green light by the fda and what it means for you and
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explain what is going on. >> reporter: this is a significant step in florida, republican governor ron desantis made it clear this was the direction he wanted to go with the abortion law. he held a signing ceremony yesterday. the law will take effect in july. he says this is a step in the right direction. >> we're here today to defend those who can't defend themselves. this will represent the most significant protections for life that have been enacted in this state in a generation. >> reporter: florida has modeled its law basically on the way the mississippi law was written. there are those who believe abortion should remain a decision between a woman and her doctor and not a decision made by politicians, and some point out that often those politicians
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seem to be men and this is what we had to say. >> roe v. wade says abortion should be legal, so it's sad this law has passed. >> there shouldn't be legislation surrounding our bodies and abortion care, and abortion is health care. >> reporter: this law, again, as i said, is modeled after the mississippi law and that's a law right now that is going to be reviewed by the u.s. supreme court. the conservative justices indicated back in december they might uphold the mississippi law which would, in turn uphold the florida law, and we are waiting to see if perhaps the supreme court actually rules and that could come in the next couple of weeks. if it were to rule it would be a significant shift in the landmark decision of roe v. wade, katy.
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>> thank you very much. joining me now is university of michigan law professor, barbara mcquaid. this will find itself in a lawsuit against it. what will happen at that lawsuit and will that lawsuit matter if the supreme court decides to rule against roe v. wade? >> i think there will be a lawsuit inevitably, and it will work its way through the courts. all eyes are on the supreme court in the dobbs case. there was no reason for the court to take up the dobbs case where the law was rejected by the lower courts unless the court wants to change the law, so i think that's the reason people are reading the tea leaves and thinking perhaps the court would use dobbs the vehicle for overturning roe v. wade. and even if they don't overturn roe v. wade, they eat away at it in such a way they can erode its
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power without overturning it in a way that is less sensational but has the same effect. >> will red states across the country trigger laws that will make abortion illegal, and in blue states that will be a place where you will be able to do what you could do before? how does that work? how do you have that split world? >> i think it's likely that we will end up with a patchwork of states where abortion is legal and other states where it's not. there are 15 states that have inshrined the right to abortion in their law, and in those 15 states regardless of what happens in the dobbs case abortion will remain legal, and new york is one of those states, for example. there are 21 states where they already have laws in the books where abortion is illegal, and the instant roe v. wade is
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overturned, those will be in effect, so we would have ultimately have of the states where it's lawful and half where us not lawful. you are a woman of means you can travel out of state and have an abortion, and if you are not a woman of means, we will see unwanted pregnancies and we will see abortions going back in back allies and involving organized criminal behavior and endangering women under going these procedures. what they seem to be saying is they will leave this to the states, that the dobbs -- if the dobbs case, if the rule in mississippi is upheld, i think what is likely to be held here is the states get to make the
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decision themselves. i don't think court has the power, only congress can make a law banning abortion across the united states. >> thank you for being with us. coming up, enforced lockdown for three weeks now. what is happening in shanghai and what it could mean for china's iron grid. and just breathe. the new covid test that will give your nose a break.
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families were told they were being evicted and moved. these videos verified by news agency associated press showing out right clashes, police in white medical suits appearing to wrestle with residents who were ordered to surrender their homes so they could be turned into covid isolation sites. one woman shouting, i beg you please, and others being dragged away. with the lockdown in its third week, most of shanghai's 25 million people remain confined, struggling to find food. >> we need it to act quickly. >> a lady here and her neighbors built-up a supply chain. >> hopefully it's not going to be too long. for people in lockdown, we all know this should not be a new
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norm. >> thousands of asymptomatic cases are stuck at mass quarentine buildings, and some of the buildings leaking under the heavy rain. and xi jinping said families forced to move were compensated. but the videos along with others appearing to show protests are a rare window into growing anxiety here. with the omicron variant spreading fast and no end to the lockdown in sight. the authorities said earlier this week the lockdown would be eased in areas of the city with no new cases, but the numbers keep climbing up 13 of the past 14 days and now full or partial lockdowns being extended in at least 45 other chinese cities. >> thank you so much. do it with me, everyone.
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just breathe. the food and drug administration has granted emergency use authorization for the first covid breathalyzer. the fda says the results that come in three minutes are 91% effective in identifying a positive test and 99% effective in identifying a negative test. the best part, no q tips up your nose. joining us, dr. natalie azar. this is good news. >> well, it's definitely good news, katy. as you said in the lead, the advantages of the test is they are highly accurate, 91% sensitivity, and 99% specifically. if you do test positive on this they are recommending a
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confirmation with a molecular test, not if you test negative but if you test positive, and it needs to be performed by somebody trained to do this, and the apparatus is carry on luggage size, and you will see it in doctor offices and hospitals and mobile testing units, and it's not something you could have if you travel by yourself, and we will see where it fits into the arsenal. the company said they could manufacture 100 instruments per week and each one could do 160 samples per day. i see this in bigger environments as opposed to the rapids we are accustomed to doing ourselves. >> i am laughing because i have seen a picture of this, and it's like a black pelican case with a red tube that comes out of it
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and you blow in the tube, and it doesn't look legit. >> yeah, what is funny about it, and honestly katy, we have become so accustomed to the swabs and everything takes time to get used to, and this is not something you will see in small offices or smaller doctor offices, and this is something we will see hospitals purchasing first and the mobile testing sites. again, where it's going to fit in, not 100% sure yet. i am all for everything that is new and innovative, and, again, the stats look fantastic. i just think for a test to really be incredibly useful it needs to be accurate and accessible and affordable. you know, i don't know how much one of these goes for, but a small doctor's office may not afford to purchase one of these. >> you are my buzzkill today. i have had to swab my 3-year-old, and it's not
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enjoyable to try and get a 3-year-old to sit still while i stick a q-tip up his nose. >> that's true. thankfully the rapids are -- >> yeah, not as high, which is nice. the rise in cases -- >> exactly. >> there seems to be concern in some folks about it, and the hospitalization numbers, are you worried about the rise in cases? >> not at the moment. you know, what we are seeing, you know, certainly is the lowest hospitalization rates that we have seen in a long, long time. but case rates are going up. as you know, katy, we are not just going on case rates. we're going on hospitalizations and deaths. that metric is going to be the most important thing the hospital capacity that has the cdc's updated guidance, masking
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or not masking, and in the uk they are seeing deaths rising from ba.2, and israel is not seeing that and we have a fair of immunity in this country with a combination with vaccination and prior infection, and is that enough of a buffer? hopefully, and only time will tell. >> i appreciate it. thank you very much. up next, twitter takeover with the man that wrote the book on it. what musk wants with twitter.
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twitter to elon musk? not so fast. it gives twitter shareholders other than musk the chance to buy more shares deleting musk's stake. what does a billionaire want with a social media company anyway? joining us to explain is the man that wrote the book on elon musk, author of the book "power play." he has flirted with the idea of starting his own social media company before. didn't he want to call it -- was it sputnik? >> provda.
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>> what does he want to do with a company like twitter? >> power, influence. the same reason why billionaires and millionaires over the ages have been gravitating towards buying media companies. it's a trophy on the mantle, and he has been building his brand and fan base and customer base and creating a vision for the future that he has been able to capitalize on, and being able to control that and make sure he can have his speech out there reaching people is purely -- you know, clearly one of those things are motivating him. >> his speech can get out there and reach people. he can get on twitter and tweet like everybody else, and only a handful of people have been banned, and so what is the
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difference between being on there and owning it? >> yeah, there are some voicing concerns over the content moderation policies that twitter and other social media giants have been taking around misinformation or covid or a political speech and these sorts of things. elon has looked at that, and if somebody like donald trump could be kicked off, why not him? he has a history of crossing the line in his speech at times and coming back and this is an important tool for him. that kind of gets how he is framing this, defending the marketplace of ideas and free speech. at least that's how he's selling it, you know, at this point. >> yesterday at the ted conference he was asked if there was a plan b, if the hostile takeover didn't work, and
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any idea what that plan b might be? >> it's dangerous to try and get into the mind of elon musk, and ahead of this he had -- not a veiled threat, but this was a final offer and he could just dump his shares, and that could affect the stock and put the company in a new way, and he has lots of options here at this point. i think one of the issues we have to keep in mind here is, elon musk is not a man with a lot of patience. twitter taking this step to insert the poison pill is trying to buy them time and get him to the table to negotiate, and musk is not going to want to spend months and months dragging this out, and he moves quickly on
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