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♪♪ welcome, everybody, i'm yasmin vossoughian. we have a lot to cover this afternoon. new attacks on ukraine, the russians taking aim once again at kyiv in a show of power for vladimir putin after suffering a humiliating loss at sea. we are following reaction to newly revealed texts from two prominent republicans regarding january 6th. and the former president's big lie. new protests expected in just a
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short time in grand rapids, michigan, continuing fallout from a fatal police shooting of an unarmed black man. ron desantis, the latest republican to sign into a law a highly restrictive new abortion law. all of that. plus twitter takes accepts to fight off a takeover attempt by elon musk. we're going to have the latest on that ahead, what it could mean for you. we begin, though, with breaking news. russian state media, a short time ago, reporting that one of its generals has been killed in combat during military operations in ukraine. a surprising admission given the kremlin's tight control of the media. his death coming amid renewed attacks on the cities of kyiv and lviv with new supplemental oxygens explosions being reported there. nbc's ali arouzi is on the ground for us in lviv. this was just coming across the wires within the last couple of minutes or so. so, as we are learning more of the depth of this russian general, i know you are as well.
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what are you learning, and talk to me about how it seems to be a fairly unprecedented admission from moscow, wondering if it's for domestic consumption. >> reporter: that's right, yasmin. they don't usually like to talk about their military losses here. to this date, they still haven't admitted that the "moskva" was sunk by the ukrainians, but it's also possibly the russians trying to get ahead of the game before the ukrainians put out that news. i mean, we don't know many details about it, but they could have evidence of this general that's been killed, so they want to get ahead of the news. and as you said, for domestic consumption, and put their own spin on it, their own narrative on how he was killed and possibly to try and make ukraine look bad. but as you said, it's a rare admission of losses by the russians. they don't really like to talk about it. they've seriously downplayed the number of troops that have been lost here. the figures nato give are far
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different to the numbers that the russians give. but i think in the due course of time, when we find out more about this general and exactly how and where he was killed, it might help us paint a better picture of why the russians have admitted it so quickly. >> i'm happy that you brought up the sinking of the ship, the "moskva," right, the russians not admitting that, in fact, it was the ukrainians that did just that with two missiles that we learned from our own intelligence. that said, you got the sinking of that ship. you now have the killing of this general. moscow saying, after the sinking of that ship, they are going to escalate attacks. what more do we know about that? >> reporter: well, that's right. i mean, as soon as the ukrainians hit that ship and it sunk, the ukrainians were saying that the russians will almost certainly seek retribution, that they did. they hit a missile factory on the outskirts of kyiv. that missile factory apparently made the neptune missile that sunk the "moskva," a symbol of
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russian military might, so hugely embarrassing for them. yesterday, they hit kharkiv very badly. they killed seven people there, amongst the dead, a 7-month-old baby. again, this morning, they have been shelling kharkiv quite badly, at least two people have been killed there. and then it's been a while since lviv has been a target as well. this morning, the ukrainian authorities say that they intercepted four cruise missiles that were shot from a russian su-35 fighter plane that took off from belarus. but they say they intercepted them, which is also a sign that the ukrainians are saying, look, our air defenses, at least in the west of the country, are working well, and they can fend off these russian attacks. but it certainly does seem that there is an escalation by russia. they need to save face after losing that flagship "moskva." it was a huge embarrassment for them. yasmin, it's the biggest warship to have been sunk since world war ii. i mean, they've lost a lot of face about that, and that major
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piece of military hardware is now lying at the bottom of the black sea, out of this campaign forever. it was the pride of the russian navy, no longer able to attack ukraine. >> so, because of all this, ali, right, you've got the ukrainian president zelenskyy saying the world should, in fact, be ready for a russian nuclear attack. what are we hearing from the united states, nato allies as well when it comes to this warning? >> reporter: well, look, yasmin, this is on the minds of everybody from washington, d.c., to kyiv. will vladimir putin make good on this ominous nuclear threat that he has been saber rattling about since the beginning of this war? and it's ignited a rigorous debate amongst nuclear experts as to will he or won't he, and some people think that to gain battlefield momentum, because he's doing so badly in this war, he may use a tactical or
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low-yield nuclear weapon to, you know, get -- to bring this war to an end and on terms that he may see favorable to himself, but i think the general consensus amongst nuclear experts is that it's very unlikely he'll use a nuclear weapon in this war, and it's very hard to see how he will gain anything by using it. so, it's still quite a long way off, i think, on everybody's minds in reality. >> ali arouzi, as always, we thank you for your reporting and analysis on this. we're going to talk to you again at the top of the next hour, my friend. by the way, we are going to continue to cover ukraine in the coming hour and throughout the two hours ahead. a little later on this hour i'm going to be joined by a member of the ukrainian parliament to talk about how a battle in donbas could be a pivotal moment in this war so you don't want to miss that conversation. the january 6th committee has reportedly obtained new text messages involving two of former president trump's biggest supporters on capitol hill, senator mike lee and congressman chip roy, reported by cnn and
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authenticated by "the new york times," these text message exchanges from the two republican lawmakers were sent in the weeks leading up to the capitol attack to then chief of staff mark meadows. they talk about support for trump's efforts to overturn the election and remain in power until ultimately, backing off when they realized his claims were baseless. nbc's allie raffa reports from capitol hill on this. >> reporter: well, yasmin, over the last few weeks, we have learned of several texts between former white house chief of staff mark meadows and people inside former president trump's inner circle, people like his own son, donald trump jr., justice clarence thomas's wife, ginny thomas, talking about efforts to overturn the 2020 election, but now because of these texts, we're learning from several gop lawmakers about just how invested they were in trying to overturn the election. two of these specifically are senator mike lee and congressman chip roy, and it's important to note that both of these two
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lawmakers actually eventually ended up voting to confirm president biden's victory, but these almost 100 texts between them and meadows shed some new light about how genuinely invested they were in trying to overturn those election results. one text from senator lee to meadows on november 7th, the day the election was called for president biden, says we, quote, offer our unequivocal support for you to exhaust every legal and constitutional remedy at your disposal to restore americans' faith in our elections. another text that day from congressman roy to mark meadows says, quote, we need ammo. we need fraud examples. we need it this weekend. but yasmin, the mood and the rhetoric in these texts between the day of the election and january 6th drastically changes as these lawmakers repeated requests to mark meadows for evidence of fraud in the election. just go unanswered. senator lee says in one text on january 3rd, quote, i really think this could all backfire
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badly unless we have legislatures submitting trump slates. congressman roy says he's become more skeptical and raises the alarm, texting meadows, in early january, saying, quote, if potus allows this to occur, we're driving a stake in the heart of the federal republic. and in response to this reporting, a spokesperson for senator lee says that the senator has been, quote, fully transparent, meaning, there's really nothing new to discover out of this cnn report. congressman roy responded to this report yesterday in a tweet, saying he makes, in part, quote, no apologies for my private texts or public positions. to those on the left or the right. it's important to note also that mark meadows has not responded to this cnn report, but we did hear back from the january 6th committee, which is saying they are not commenting on the reporting, yasmin. >> and we're going to talk more, by the way, on this in our next hour as well with maya wiley.
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allie raffa, thank you on that. florida is now the latest state to ban abortions after 15 weeks and concerned officials are speaking out to nbc news. governor desantis signing that law this week with no exemptions for rape or incest. it's set to take effect in july but is widely expected to see legal challenges as well. stephanie stanton is joining us from the ground in tampa, florida. stephanie, it's good to talk to you. i know you've been speaking to some planned parenthood officials, medical professionals as well, physicians. what do they have to say about this? >> reporter: yeah, good afternoon to you, yasmin. well, as you might imagine, naturally, they are very concerned. i spoke to the ceo of the florida chapter of planned parenthood. she tells me that they are currently looking at some legal options to hopefully prevent this from taking effect. as you said, it goes into effect in july. it makes no provisions for abortions after 15 weeks in the cases of rape or incest, a woman would only be able to get an abortion after that point if her
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life is in danger or in the case of fatal fetal anomalies. right now, abortion -- the law says that women can get an abortion at 24 weeks. one of the things they talked about with regard to this new law is the fact that it violates florida's constitution. there is a provision in there for a right to privacy for a woman with regards to her healthcare, in relation to her own body. it says that this new law would violate that. it would also, they say, be disproportionately unfair to women of color. >> so, now, we have a world where the people who are least financially resourced are going to be forced to carry a pregnancy and give birth against their will. and again, in this country, that's so often hits the communities of color harder than any other community. and frankly, we know in america, black women die in pregnancy and
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childbirth at three to four times the rate of white women. >> i just feel heartbroken for my patients. i see patients, like i said, every week, who come in for abortions beyond that 15 weeks, and they all have a reason and all of those reasons are valid, and we're telling these patients that their choice is not valid. and their healthcare is not valued. >> reporter: now the new law makes florida one of 26 states that have enacted these laws that severely limit abortion. among those states, kentucky. most recently. also texas, oklahoma, and mississippi, and yasmin, as you know, the mississippi case will be going before the supreme court in june, and if they do uphold that, it could have severe implications across the board. one of the things mississippi is asking as well is that abortion be returned to the states. if that happens, which officials
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here at planned parenthood tell me that could very likely happen, that could mean that these 26 states could severely restrict, even ban abortion altogether, and they say that could have huge consequences where at least half the states in this country, you would not be able to get an abortion safely. so, a lot on the table here. >> yeah, and that mississippi law, pretty much similar to what's happening in florida there. banning abortions after 15 weeks. >> reporter: exactly. >> eyes and ears will be on the decision coming from the supreme court when it comes to that mississippi state, especially as we see what's happening across the country when it comes to restrictions on abortions in more conservative-leaning states. stephanie stanton for us, thank you. all right, florida's education department as well making the move to ban 54 of the 132 math textbooks that were submitted for next year's curriculum, all over objections the books referenced critical race theory. another, quote, prohibited topics. the announcement not including the name of any of the banned books or even an example of how
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these math books violated new policies put in place by the gop-controlled state to target which books are allowed in the classroom. most of these rejected textbooks, they were for kids. grades k-5. all right, i want to turn to michigan now. more protests over the fatal police shooting of a young black man are set to begin in just under two hours. demonstrators have been gathering for days, calling for justice after patrick lyoya, a congolese refugee and father of two was killed during a traffic stop on april 4th. we got new videos released by the grand rapids police showing the altercation that led to his death. here, you can see the unidentified officer approaching patrick who had stepped out of the car after being pulled over. certain portions of the video are blurred by police, not by nbc news, by the way. the interaction turns physical. and i want to warn you that the video is incredibly disturbing. so, after a foot chase, the two men wrestled on the ground.
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they fought over control of the taser, and then seconds later, the video shows the officer fatally shooting patrick in the head. nbc's liz mclaughlin is in grand rapids, michigan, for us. covering the story. liz, good to talk to you. i want to get an overview of the latest developments that we have been hearing from police there in this investigation and the status of this yet unnamed police officer. >> reporter: well, yasmin, police say they won't release the identity of that officer unless criminal charges are brought against him. the michigan state police are conducting that investigation. currently under way now and it's unclear how long that will take. they are conducting interviews, including with the officer and witnesses, reviewing evidence, including that disturbing video that you just saw. and three videos were released by grand rapids police this week. prosecutors actually asked to wait to release those until the
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investigation was complete, but out of a goal for transparency, they did it earlier. but the body camera video went dark 42 seconds before that shooting. the police are saying that's because of a malfunction. you have to press down the recessed button for at least three seconds in order to stop the recording. it's unclear who applied that pressure or if it was intentional. lyoya's family, outraged, heartbroken, seeing this video of their son. ben crump, civil rights attorney, is representing the family. here's what he had to say. >> based on what we see in the video, this officer should be charged and held accountable. for the unjustified killing of an unarmed citizen. it is that simple.
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>> reporter: michigan department of civil rights is calling on the department of justice to help investigate if this shooting, if police were part of a wider, systemic discrimination. yasmin? >> liz mclaughlin for us, for now, thank you for reporting on that. by the way, next hour, i'm going to have the rev on, reverend al sharpton and civil rights attorney maya wiley, joining me to talk about how the upcoming protests could put pressure on the authorities as well as possible charges for the officer involved. but first, coming up, russia launching new attacks after the sinking of its flagship in the black sea. meantime, ukrainians, they are still holding strong and taking time to share thanks to those protecting them. them. >> came up to them. i thanked them, and i started to cry. because -- and up next, the dangers of an elon musk twitter takeover. what it could mean for you, for all its users. , for all its users.
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effort to win the senate seat. donald trump noted some of his past comments but called vance the candidate most ready to win in november. the former president has faced intense pressure not to endorse vance from the rival republican campaigns of josh mandel and other candidates. let's talk about elon musk. his plan to buy twitter, it might be over before it even got started. in a unanimous vote this week, twitter's board adopted a poison pill strategy to thwart musk's bid, allowing other shareholders to purchase additional shares at a discount, proof that the company will literally do everything that it can do to prevent this, what they're seeing as a hostile takeover. meanwhile, musk has spent the better part of his week since the takeover announcement, you guessed it, he's been tweeting. using his account to troll the company and drum up support with the fans. here to help break all of this down is kara, associate professor of public relations at
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hofstra university. great to talk to you once again. i think this is the second time you and i have spoken this week about this. and this is kind of -- this has been every headline the entire week because it's been such huge news. i think what is so outstanding to me about this story is that literally elon musk is manipulating company shares, the price of company shares, the price of the value of this company by tweeting. >> that's right. and let's remember, yasmin, that this is not a profitable company. the reason that elon musk and other people are interested in potentially owning twitter is because this is a platform that is influential. not everyone in america or in the world is on twitter, but the media follows what happens on twitter, and as we know, reports it pretty breathlessly. so it really matters who is at the helm of this company, and we should be talking about this a lot. >> so, i mean, this all began
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with, of course, musk getting 9.5% or so of shares of twitter, right, the largest shareholder of all shareholders amongst twitter. and everybody wondered, okay, what is he doing? what's he planning? some people said, not really anything. he loves twitter. he loves the product. he uses it all the time, he just wants a piece of the pie but then all this came down the barrel. now we are hearing this poison pill happening from the board, from the shareholders, from the board, i should say. encouraging people to buy more shares. what do you make of it? >> so, basically, what this tells me is that the board does not want this man at the helm, and that is absolutely the right move. basically, now, if anyone, including musk, tries to buy more than 15% of the company's stock, what will happen is the company will flood the market with shares, make them cheaper, and make it much more expensive for musk to buy this company. so, it's going to be tough for him, and i have to say, i think
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this is absolutely the right move. i think this man has no place owning a company like twitter. let's remember that he himself has acted like a troll, and he himself now requires professional supervision in order to tweet a lot of things about his own company, because back in 2018, the s.e.c. sued him and can accused him of misleading the market in a tweet about his own company. so, this is a man who isn't really trusted to tweet personally. you can imagine he has no place determining what the rest of us are and are not allowed to tweet. >> do you think that elon musk would wear that name of troll as a banner? like, he would call himself a troll. i think he would own that. >> yeah. i mean, he has to because that's the classic behavior that he's exhibiting. it's astonishing to me that just days ago, he tweeted, asking people, in a poll, whether twitter should remove the "w" in
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its name in a really coarse allusion to female bodies, and i would describe it as nothing short of bald-faced misogyny. this is classic troll behavior and it's purposeful. this isn't an accident. this isn't unintentional. this is the way this man operates. >> so, you're one of the people, basically, that says twitter needs to do more, and if you get someone on board, owning this company, making it subscription type, you know, pay for play, suddenly musk is going to be making the rules, and nobody's going to be in charge and everyone's going to be able to run willy-nilly. so what else needs to be done to control sort of the hateful rhetoric sometimes that's circulated on twitter? dangerous rhetoric as well. >> i think the number one problem that twitter faces right now, and other social networks as well, is cracking down on abuse and misinformation. i mean, look at what happened in the 2016 presidential election. i would argue that donald trump used twitter partly to win the
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election, and also, of course, we now know that russia shared a whole ton of misinformation that likely swayed a ton of votes. look at how many americans still refuse to get vaccinated against covid because of all of the misinformation that is being spread on the platform. so, they need to crack down the way that they need to do it is with more human moderators, but elon musk proposes taking the company in the opposite direction. he said at a t.e.d. conference on thursday that he thinks that basically free speech should be allowed and if it isn't legal, it should be allowed on the platform. that would leave tons of misinformation and tons of trolling. and ultimately, it would be bad for twitter because one thing we know is that women and other people who are abused on these platforms flee them. >> yeah. they don't continue to speak out because they don't want to kind of face down what is happening on the platform and it's kind of healthier and safer for them to
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go elsewhere. kara, thank you so much. appreciate it. good to talk to you once again. coming up, everybody, how a battle in donbas could be a pivotal moment for the war in ukraine. a member of the country's parliament joins me on that. and why calling russia's actions a genocide is so important. also, we got a quick programming note for you. tune in this evening to "american voices" with special guest host former h.u.d. secretary and former presidential candidate julian castro. that is tonight, 6:00 p.m. eastern, right here on msnbc. that is tonight, 6:00 p.m. eastern, right here on msnbc (cto) ♪ i want the world. ♪ ♪ i want the whole world. ♪ (ceo) ♪ i want today. ♪ ♪ i want tomorrow. ♪ (dispatch) ♪ i want it noooooow! ♪ (vo) get 5g that's ready right now. only two things are forever: love and liberty mutual customizing your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. if anyone objects to this marriage... (emu squawks) kevin, no! not today. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ okay everyone,
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calm there. nbc's gabe gutierrez is on the ground for us in ukraine. >> reporter: overnight, russia says it struck a plant in kyiv that made and repaired ukrainian missiles. the blast captured on the surveillance cameras and coming just hours after russia's key warship sank. a senior defense official says the u.s. is now determined the warship, named after russia's capital, was hit by two ukrainian neptune missiles in the black sea. it's not clear why the ship's air defense system did not kick in. russia acknowledges there was a fire on board but has denied a missile strike. nearby, russia is intensifying its assault on mariupol. the battle now entering a critical stage. the ukrainians, defiant. >> translator: we expect to bury as many russians as possible. >> reporter: this soldier says. but the besieged port city could fall to russian forces within days, triggering russia's expected onslaught on ukraine's eastern donbas region. in a new interview, ukraine's president zelenskyy, a former
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actor and comedian, spoke bluntly. when some leaders ask me what weapons i need, he says, i need a moment to calm myself because i already told them the week before. it's groundhog day. i feel like bill murray. in chernihiv, northeast of kyiv, a massive effort is under way to get humanitarian aid to towns that are cut off. among those coordinating, victory victoria. she's now safe and we met her in person so she could show us how she survived for weeks in this cellar. how many people were staying in here? >> we were 20 people. >> reporter: she was furious at the russian soldiers but is now grateful the ukrainian troops held them back. >> i came up to them. i thanked them, and i started to cry. because -- i felt that these people saved us. >> all right, joining me now is ukraine member of parliament
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andrii. we appreciate you joining us this afternoon. we're glad you're well and safe where you are. so, we -- there was a promise from russians that -- and russian military, it seemed, russian forces that they were going to be coming out of kyiv and concentrating more on the eastern part of ukraine but then there were these renewed attacks on the outskirts of kyiv. so, here we are once again. what is your reaction to that? are you expecting more to come? >> good afternoon, greetings from kyiv where i am physically now. listen, first of all, let's be concrete once again about russia's next to kyiv two weeks ago. two weeks ago, they were totally defeated, and they ran away from kyiv with a huge, huge loss. so, that's the fact. and now, we're witnessing what we expected two weeks ago, that
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they will continue a missile war from one side to keep maximum tension all over the country and from another side to continue to destroy ukrainian infrastructure. that's exactly what is happening, so for the last 48 hours, we had attacks in lviv, which is far, far west of ukraine and kyiv and no need to say about chernihiv, mariupol, and other cities where the hot battle is going on. so, this is continuation of the war, so russians use their capabilities as long as they have the missiles, they will continue to do that, and i would not link this directly to the ukrainian victory of destruction of "moskva" warship, which was finally confirmed by russians. >> i want to talk about u.s. military aid and the message that we are now getting from vladimir putin about that military aid.
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$800 million renewed u.s. military aid coming to ukraine. indispensable for your fight against the russians. and that aid has continued throughout this entire conflict over the last seven to eight weeks. we know vladimir putin has now, to a sense, reached out to our president and said, stop sending military aid. that is his diplomatic note to the united states. stop sending military aid to ukraine. do you consider now that aid coming into your country as a real target, and how worried are you about that? >> so, first of all, i think you shall be enough adult not to spend time listening to what vladimir putin and his puppets are saying. first of all, they are lying all the time. secondly, they're losing this war, and definitely, they try to give some messages to outside world and to their own people, but for the last months, they
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were saying openly that they are fighting against united states, that they are fighting against nato. so it's ridiculous to make any arguments to united states that they're helping ukraine because putin is saying that he is fighting against united states. let's not talk about him. it's understood for everyone that when we finish this war, only defeating putin on ukrainian soil. after six weeks of ukrainian bravery, we reached that moment when we speak almost on the same language with washington, with london, and with other capitals in european union, meaning that we finally start to receive what we need, not just rifles or bullets or javelins, but we start to receive tanks. we start to receive air defense systems. so, everything which is needed, not just to resist but also to attack. don't forget that for the moment, we kill almost 20,000 russians in ukraine, so we burn 700 tanks, 2,500 trucks,
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armored, so on. so meaning that we already stand so much resources, military resources, that definitely we need more and more. and my feeling that for this very moment, the help of ukraine is on a good track. >> so, andrii, there is the fight, which the ukrainians are continuing, and then there is the declaration of the acts that the russian military and vladimir putin have carried out, and that is of genocide as the american president has put it, and i know the ukrainian military -- parliament, i should say, adopted a declaration of russian genocide on its own people and we're looking at it now on our screen, including mass atrocities in temporarily occupied territories, systemic instances of willful killing of civilians and so on. why is it so important, andrii, for this to be adopted now and to be declared now a genocide? >> it is dramatically important for one simple reason.
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the victory in this war, it is not just defeating of russian military on ukrainian soil. the victory in this war is bringing to accountability and to responsibility all criminals, all people who made war crimes in ukraine, and from international law point of view, it's very critical to have correct definitions, and we insist that everything that had been happened in ukraine, it's genocide. because if it's not genocide, tell me what genocide is. that's why three days ago ukrainian parliament again gathered together in the center of kyiv, in the house of parliament and among many, many other olion asking the world to join us with the recognition of the acts of russian federation as genocide against ukraine, because our target to bring all war criminals to responsibility. we need to organize the
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international criminal court to repeat nuremberg process to bring everyone to responsibility. so that's why it's so important for us but it's important for the world because the target not to let it happen again. >> for the world to recognize as well. andrii, thank you. great to talk to you this afternoon. we appreciate it. please stay safe where you are. and we're going to cover a lot more on the war in ukraine ahead in our next hour, everybody, when i'm joined by former u.s. ambassador to ukraine, bill taylor. we are also following breaking news at south carolina, just coming in now, reports of a shooting at a mall there. details on that ahead. at a male details on that ahea d. wayfair's got just what you need to be outdoorsy. your way! shop the biggest selection of outdoor furniture and furnish your habitat from you habitat. get a new grill and cook over an open flame. now that's outdoorsy! go wild on garden decor. find shelter from the elements and from predators. or just be one with nature. this year spend less
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we have some live pictures in to us right now. that's what you're seeing on your screens. the extent of the injuries, it's unknown at this moment. officers have evacuated the mall, set up a reunification site for loved ones nearby as well. we're going to continue to monitor the situation as we get some more details throughout the hour and as it develops, we will bring it to you. as we learn, you will learn as well. some other stories that we're following as well, some 5,000 people in new mexico are under evacuation orders as wildfires continue to burn. the fires there have destroyed more than 200 homes and have killed at least two people. state officials also warning about current air quality safety, urging residents to take precautions to remain safe. and authorities in georgia arresting and charging a 21-year-old man in a triple homicide at a shooting range in grantville. the suspect, jacob christian mews, now charged with three counts of malice murder with authorities accusing him of killing both owners of that shooting range, in addition to their 18-year-old grandson.
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all right, as millions of americans continue to quit their jobs during the pandemic, legislators in california are currently debating a bill to shorten the workweek to address the exodus. the proposed legislation would mandate businesses with over 500 employees to pay overtime for any additional work, get this, beyond 32 hours. while also barring those employers from cutting pay rates due to the shortened workweek. countries like iceland and japan are finding success with similar policies. private companies like microsoft say they've seen a 40% increase in productivity with shortened workweeks. joining me now to talk about this, a coauthor of the bill, assembly member christina garcia. thank you so much for joining
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us. i tell you, i think i got people in the studio paying extra attention to this segment. we all want to know, wouldn't we want to know? let's talk about this, of course, because you talk about the mass resignation, right, the great resignation that we've been experiencing over the past few years when it comes to this pandemic and this is a way, to a certain extent, as you say, to retain workers. >> definitely. not only have people resigned in mass numbers, over 47 million americans have voluntarily left their jobs to look for better opportunities, but people are not rushing back. the reality is that after two years of pandemic, we're not asking how do we return to normal but how do we return to better? how do we have a better quality of life and more of a work-life balance, and this is one of the solutions and you have countries and businesses who are showing us that it's possible, but it's also good for their bottom line. >> okay, let me play devil's advocate here. and that is this.
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hoover institute saying 265 head quarter relocations out of the state of california since 2018. the chamber of commerce, state's chamber of commerce, calling this a job killer. what do you make of that? >> well, i think there's companies that have left but it's an incomplete picture. we don't talk about the companies that are here or the innovation and new businesses that are opening regularly here in california. or companies who are coming back. so that's an imperfect -- i would say the job killer is ignoring what employees are telling you today and continuing to try return to what was when we have an opportunity to come back to something better. 60% of companies are saying they're experiencing a labor shortage, and that is hurting their bottom line. you have countries like japan, iceland, spain, and companies like microsoft who are telling us that you see an increased productivity and this is good for the bottom line. so, companies need to adapt with or without a bill if they want to move forward and move forward
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in a way that helps their bottom line. >> here's the thing. this could be adapted, for instance, workers would then graduate to a 40-hour workweek, 32 hours for the same pay. that doesn't mean the workload is going to decrease. that is on the people that are assigning that workload so you could be in a situation where you're only supposed to be working four days a work and studily come friday, you have a heck of a lot of work to do. so then what? you don't necessarily adopt the three-day weekend. >> actually, i don't know if that's necessarily true, but if you decide to work an extra day, you get paid time and a half so there's extra money in your pockets but employers would have to figure out if they need to hire additional people and redistribute responsibilities differently. this bill is limited to companies over 500 employees who are paying an hourly rate. >> got it. california assemblywoman christina garcia, i'm sure there's a lot of people out there taking a listen to this and shaking their heads, yes.
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they would like to work less and have a three-day weekend. always feels a lot better when you come off of a three-day weekend. two days seems way too short. thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate it. enjoy the rest of you day. we're continuing to follow breaking news, everybody, of a shooting at a mall in south carolina where police are reporting multiple injuries. you are looking at live pictures from the scene in columbia, south carolina. more on this at the top of the hour. plus protesters, they're about to gather against the deadly police shooting of a black man in grand rapids, michigan, but what are the chances this leads to charges for the officer? reverend al sharpton, civil rights attorney may a wiley joining me next. rights attorney joining me next. allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! flonase all good. your heart is at the heart of everything you do. and if you have heart failure, entrust your heart to entresto.
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♪♪ hi, everybody, i'm yasmin vossoughian. if you are just joining us, welcome. if you are still with us, thanks for sticking around. we are following key attacks on key ukrainian cities today, ahead of what's expected to be a major new offensive by russians as early as this weekend. this is the scene today in the city of kharkiv, hit by missiles, as were kyiv, lviv, and other areas as well. it may be retaliation for what may seem like vladimir putin's biggest humiliation yet, the sinking of his main warship by ukraine. and this is the scene in mariupol as the relentless russian siege of that city continues.
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>> 95% of all the buildings, 95%, destroyed in mariupol. one of the biggest cities, not only in ukraine, in europe. 500,000 people. 500,000 people. how much people were killed there? nobody knows. what they say, that is lying. they lie. nobody knows. how much people are still there? nobody knows. nobody knows. >> president zelenskyy says it is hard to make peace given the scenes we're seeing in mariupol as well as atrocities committed in bucha and elsewhere. and he's also issuing an alarming warning about what may be next for putin. nuclear weapons. this as the russian dictator issues a warning of his own to the united states. we're going to have much more on the very latest out of ukraine and a live report in just a couple of minutes, including some new information being
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reported by russian state media as well. i first want to get to some breaking news we have been following out of south carolina, a chaotic scene unfolding at a mall in columbia, south carolina, after a shooting there a short time ago. we don't have a lot of details, though police are saying several people were injured, but the extent of those injuries is unknown at this time. officers have, in fact, evacuated the mall. they set up a reunification site as well. it's unclear what led to the shooting, the motive of the shooting, the whereabouts of the shooter as well. we are supposed to be getting an update pretty soon from columbia police shortly, and if we get it, when we get it, we'll try to bring it to you. want to get to another city on edge right about now, tonight especially. desperate calls for justice in grand rapids, michigan, where less than an hour from now, demonstrators, they are expected to continue their days-long protest after the deadly police shooting of 26-year-old patrick lyoya. lyoya is a congolese refugee and a fatf


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