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>> hello everyone.
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i am julian castro. in this week and for alicia menendez. this hour, we had to my home state of texas, where governor, where the governor is playing politics with his policy. it's gonna wind up costing you, the consumer. also tonight, as you know, mom no stranger to the debate stage. it's a platform to tell the american people your ideas for making their lives better, and the country as well. so why are republicans refusing to show up? plus, where the situation stands in ukraine, and what to make of ukraine's seeking a russian warship? look at that level military embarrassment mean within already unpredictable dictator like putin? and how a few seconds of video led to a conspiracy theory? all fixated on a nurse said to have died because of a covid shot. the doctor has been digging for the truth joins us.
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this is american voices. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> let's kick off tonight with what's going down in my home state of texas. it's a level of political theater that you will pay for. and as i tweeted this week, it's yet another example of why governor greg abbott is simply just bad at his job. on friday, he reversed course, repealing a costly order he put in place and the name of border security. it required commercial trucks crossing into texas from mexico. as you can imagine, it didn't go well, backing up traffic and disrupting an already strained supply chain. some truckers say they have to wait more than 30 hours because of that abbott stunt. he's already repealed it, but don't forget the facts, abbott deliberately chose to appease his pace by way of unnecessarily creating a
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headache along these trade routes that are crucial to the american economy. an economy where you, the consumer, are already facing high inflation, and supply shortages. and governor greg abbott is fully aware of the financial pain out there. >> listen, i understand the concern that this about trying to move products across the bridge. but i also know the anger, that texans face and have that's caused by joe biden not securing the border. if there was not a slowdown in illegal immigration, there will be every implementation of 100% inspection of all commercial vehicles. and a consequence of that is financial pain. >> before abbott revealed his order, texas attorney general ken paxton went on fox news, calling the border order, wait for it, genius! >> the governor has figured out, we can stop trade along the
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border, slow it down, and it will create pressure on mexico, and some of their governors to work out a deal to help us with border security. >> and let's not forget about the u.s. constitution, after all, which includes a commerce gloss, restricting states from interfering with foreign trade. but the damage is already done, folks. millions, taken from the texas economy because of abbott's stunt. the traffic nightmare at the border, also leading to rotten produce and late deliveries. joining me now to discuss, robert gunther. he's chief public policy officer for the international fresh produce association. robert, thank you so much for joining us. is there any indication yet on how much abbots stunt has cost texas businesses? >> thank you for having me. this has been quite a week for the fresh produce industry. in fact, this is one of the major areas where we bring parties across the border,
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between texas and mexico. and when you look at texas alone, last year, 2021, nine billion dollars worth of fresh produce was [inaudible] what we looked at, that's about $25 million a day, that's crossing the border, that was completely stopped, as you mentioned. 30 hours of delays, hundreds of trucks being delayed. and really, well over $100 million in sales, but also for the state of texas, about $15 million taken out of production, just for this past week. you know, many are surprised that the action by the governor -- some, you know, really took a lot of significant hits. we're looking -- obviously this weekend is a very important holiday weekend with eastern passover. so the demand for fresh produce
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was even more acute during this past week, leading up to this holiday weekend. so very, very significant losses. >> i mean, talk about what consumers might expect at their local grocery store, as a result of this. higher prices, empty shelves, what could be the fallout from it? >> yeah, so i think that's a great question. in the sphere that you're looking at right now is the fact that we cannot get produce across the border. that led to retailers and their customers, food services and restaurants, go to look elsewhere. we all know the situation with gas prices, in terms of across the board. so you know, that equates into an increase supply chain cost, and that can equate into potential increases for consumer cross as well, because of the longer distances the truckers have to travel. and i think, really, the major unfortunate part you mentioned this in your opening, you know,
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as a fact that tens of millions of dollars of fresh produce, getting across the border, now getting destroyed. it's a very sad thing that we are talking about. the importance of fresh produce for consumers that were caught up in this issue, and you know, ultimately want to bring healthy fresh produce to consumers and the u.s. and elsewhere. >> robert gunther, thank you so much for lending us your insight. with texas gop scorched earth approach politics, offering grievances instead of great ideas, it stretches well beyond attacks on immigrants. joining me to discuss it, msnbc political contributor, matthew dowd. he is founder of country over party, and served as a chief strategist for the 2004 presidential campaign. also with us, msnbc contributor, victoria defrancesco. she is dean at that glance school of public service at the university of arkansas. matthew, victoria, thank y'all both for joining us.
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matt, i want to go to go first. here is how who's running for governor of texas responded to abbott's order, and the eventual repeal. take a listen. >> this was a manufactured stunt. this was a problem that greg abbott true created to score political points. i mean, predictably he was on fox news, crawling about the security agreement that he achieved, when governor of shoah was asked about this disagreement and when it would be implemented. she said it's already been in place. we literally got nothing, literally nothing except higher inflation, economic damage to the state of texas. >> a bit himself said quote, financial pain is necessary. what happened to the wing of the republican party that was supposed to be pro business? >> that's a fascinating
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question because greg abbott, you know, he used to be, as you know, used to be conservative. i disagree with that on some issues, but it was basically a pro business, economic development conservative. and that changed, whatever it's been the last five, six years, whether it's trump, whether it's his realization of the gop party and what they want, it's definitely doesn't seem to have anything to do with the economy and everything to do with culture. but i think greg abbott is demonstrating, which is why i think he's vulnerable, we will see if that will work, and he can run the campaign and do the things necessary to beat him. i think he is beatable. on the major parts of our infrastructure, that we all count on, that our leaders are supposed to concentrate on, like electric hostilities, which he filled out, as you know, when you all lost power. everyone lost power in some way. millions of texas lost power, and transportation, two of which now he is directly tied because of it or a lack of policy or bad policy of
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incompetence. and that's what i would concentrate on greg abbott with. he's incompetent. >> i mean, great point. now, do you think that abbott hopes to gain something by interfering in these trade issues? i mean, do we think that it could backfire on him legally or otherwise, victoria? >> i do. and to use my father's favorite thing, don't cut your nose to spite your face. and we know that when it comes to mexico and texas, they're two of the biggest trading blocks in the world. from the stoppage that we saw in the last week, 500 billion dollars of trade was lost. so i mean, you look at these numbers, and they are staggering, right? so the chamber of commerce republicans. but in terms of politics and where the rubber meets the road, it's about, you know, gasoline
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prices. it's about prices at the grocery store. so the miscalculation here, i believe for abbott, is that you really hitting people, both those who are opposed to, on the other side of the aisle. and your own base. it's going to cost some a, more money, or be, you can't even get the goods. so, this is what is so maddening. and this was, you know, the cherry on top. similar, the republican at commissioner, was also very conservative republican, comes out and is opposed to this and says, hey, you cannot solve one problem prices at the border namely immigration, by creating another crisis at the border. so that you know when you have miller going up against abbott, this is a real issue. >> absolutely. matt, now, on top of the attacks on migrants and lgbtq+ youth, texas republicans are digging in to making it harder for folks to vote, and they're
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also restricting reproductive freedom. why do republicans see reversing all of this progress as a winning issue? and is it really want that base down there in texas wants? >> you know, to me, this is one of the most fundamental things that we all should be talking about every day, because of the foundation of of our democracy is dependent on it. i think republicans have realized two things. one, the policies they're putting in place are highly unpopular with a majority of americans, and specifically, texans. they're unpopular about the majority of texans, and the majority of americans. to, the country is fundamentally, and has fundamentally in the last 25 years changed in diversity, especially with the rising latino population in this country. it's fundamentally changed in diversity. so i think they made a calculation, in the short term, that in order not to be held accountable for their unpopular policies and policies that have caused actually harm, to people around the state, and people in the country, they want to
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restrict the people that can vote, so they're not held accountable for the policies that they understand are on popular. it's cynical. it's completely cynical, but i think that's their short term calculation. they try to get through this moment, because they know in the long term, their diversity of the country is gonna fundamentally change things. but in the short term, they know they can face an electorate that looks like texas. >> victoria, going beyond texas for a moment, the republican party just seems to be moving more and more to the right, ahead of the primaries. is there anything that they won't do at this point, as we get closer to election day? >> right. for better or for worse, texas is a model when it comes to politics, in terms of the gop politics. a lot of the things that we saw in terms of legislation in texas is now being copycat it across the nation. so i think this is something that we're gonna see, not just
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in policy, but also in moving forward, further to the right. and the other piece, though, again, you know, governor abbott has presidential aspirations. so i think that in addition to the larger conservative move, the points that matt just made, i think we all have to keep in mind that 2024 is very pleasant for abbott. i mean, yes he's got a governor's race, and i think is working on that. but i think he's looking beyond that gubernatorial race. and that's what folks like him and desantis, and other major players across the country on that right -- >> victoria, grassiest. thank you. and matt, i know you're gonna be back with us a little bit later. there is no shortage of republican shenanigans to lash out tonight. the next one involves the gop's dismantling a democratic norm and an american tradition. running scared from the debate stage. plus, two big defeats for russia and its war against ukraine. ukraine's destroyed a warship,
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and now, reports of a russian general killed in battle. where does this go next? that and more, come. but first, richard louis with a look at the other big stories we're tracking this hour at msnbc. >> very good saturday to you, julia. first in south carolina, police confirmed a short time ago, ten people have been shot, two others injured at a mall in the capital city of columbia. we're told, three suspects who had weapons had been detained there. police are also saying they do not believe the shooting was a quote, random act. another night of protests in the city of grand rapids, michigan. the largest to date, according to reporters on the ground. it follows this week's release of police footage, showing the april 4th shooting death of a black man during a traffic stop. police say the video shows patrick lyoya disobeying officers orders, and trying to run, and wrestling with the officer over his taser, before the officer shot and killed him. and more breaking news from north korea.
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they nation state news agency claiming it has tested a new nuclear capable tactical guided missile. according to reports leader, kim jong-un, personally guided this test, and told military officials to further strengthen north korea's nuclear force. the claims of this test and this new missile have not been independently verified by msnbc. more american voices, right after this short break. ter thisho srt break what happens when performance... meets power? you try crazy things... ...because you're crazy... ...and you like it. you get bigger... ...badder... ...faster. ♪ you can never have too much of a good thing... and power is a very good thing. ♪ ready to style in just one step? introducing new tresemme one step stylers. five professional benefits. one simple step.
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series of new attacks in western ukraine. it comes after ukrainian forces sank one of russia's main warships. the kremlin run media is also reporting a loss of one of its military generals and the battlefield. but despite of drawbacks, russia does not appear to be backing down. instead, positioning itself to ramp up attacks. nbc's ali arouzi is in lviv, ukraine, where russian forces
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repeatedly launched aerates repeatedly today. he joins me now. ali, thank you for joining us. i think it's after two in the morning over there. bring us up on the latest on the ground. >> good evening. since ukrainian sunk the moskva symbol of russian military might, the russians have certainly stepped up their attacks, not just on civilian population, but on strategic locations. right after that battleship fell to the bottom of the black sea, they hit a missile factory on the outskirts of kyiv, where they produced a neptune missile which hit the moskva. then again today, they hit another military factory. we don't know exactly what it was, but it will be safe to presume that that was manufacturing things going to the frontlines to fight the russians. there was an attack here in lviv as well, to su-35 russian fighter jets that were launched from belarus, tried to hit somewhere in lviv, with four
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cruise missiles and air defense systems here managed to intercept them. and of course, they're still targeting civilian populations very heavily. kharkiv has seen two days of very intense shelling, were at least seven or eight people have been killed, including seven month old baby. and then there is mariupol, which is the most bombed, the most destroyed city in this war. the russians say that they're close to taking that city, but it's an all out fight. there are about 1500 ukrainians they're determined to hold on to that city. and of course, that's so strategic for the russians. it would allowed them to create a land corridor from the russian mainland to the crimea area, so that's why they wanted so badly. and it would be a huge victory for vladimir putin to sell and moscow. but that place is also cascading humanitarian disaster. and the horrors that are expected to come out of their
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were made bail to what we've seen in bucha. >> how there was the, thank you so much for your reporting. >> joining us now, retired general mark kimmitt. he's a former assistant secretary for politico, and military affairs. mark, thank you for joining us. now, russia is reportedly on the verge of capturing mariupol. if they succeed, how much could that change the trajectory of this will? >> first of all, -- on the issue of mariupol, that would be a more of a strategic victory in terms of the narrative. up to this point, the russians have been losing almost in every turn. the sinking of the moskva was a strategic defeat for them. and taking mariupol, as i said, would be a significant win for them, not only because they have demonstrated that they can finally get a victory in this
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war, but also because it finally connects that land corridor between russia and crimea, so they don't have to depend on the sea for connection with crimea from this point forward. >> general, recently, president zelenskyy got everybody's attention, when he said that the world must be prepared for putin to use nuclear weapons. do you see russia going there? >> well, there wasn't tactical doctrine allows for the use of tactical nuclear weapons, no different than any other conventional weapon. however, i think putin certainly realizes that if he uses nuclear weapons, or for that matter, chemical weapons, that's an inflection point in this war. that may be the reason for nato to enter into this war, inside the borders of ukraine. and given the record that
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vladimir putin has had so far inside of ukraine, i don't think he wants to risk taking on nato, as he's been beat pretty decisively by this small country of ukraine. >> well, the u.s. has now sent $800 million worth of military aid to ukraine, as russia prepares to ramp up its attacks. is that enough? >> well, i think we gotta take a look at this package as nothing more than a combat resupply. 18 howitzers, that's not a very large number. 200 armed personnel carriers, that's not a big number. again, this battle of the narrative is probably more important. this is not just the physical, but a symbol of the fact that nato is still hanging in there. we will continue to get supplies. but there are no magic bullets in that arms package, and candidly, we're going to need more. in terms of additional
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capabilities, such as fighter aircraft, were patriot missiles, and one of those that don't believe that that's a helpful contribution at this point in the war. >> we tire general mark kimmitt, thank you so much for joining us. >> later this hour, putin's iron grip on what information inside russia, on everything, but especially has warned ukraine. we'll discuss how he's able to do it. but after this break, a great debate republicans refuse to have, telling you why you should vote for them. what is the gop so afraid of? i have an idea why, after this. idea why, after this
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as for fullness. what you make are for people to vote? you're afraid because of a lot of people vote. somehow,, the conservative moving and very cars become a place that appeals to that within us that is fearful. >> the gop running scared. that assessments from stuart stevens, who serves a senior adviser at the lincoln project. a description of the gop is growing anti-democratic movement coming after the rnc thursday voted to pull out of future presidential debates, which were put on by the nonpartisan commission on presidential debates. the rnc hopes to find, quote, newer, better debate platforms. matt dowd is bad with, us and joining the conversation, democratic strategist, sochi in a host saw. welcome to both of y'all, fellow texans. sochi, on a start with you. what is this refusal to debate the issues tell us about
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today's republican party? >> it's interesting, and as you noted, second to terry castro, the debate as a platform to reach the american people. you want to debate if you are a presidential candidate, because it is the one opportunity, or the second, they are few opportunities to really have that platform. to really talk about your ideas, exactly how you stand in contrast with other candidate, and are gonna hold the american people. and what republicans have decided over the last few years is that they can't win on the issues. and, so they do things like a lot of the presidential debate. they pass voter suppression laws in texas, because they can't win on the issues. and they'll continue to do that, because they understand that they are talking about policy issues. they're talking about issues that americans care about. if they ask questions about these issues, when you put
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democrats on a side by side, you always have democrats who stand on the side of the american people. and what is interesting about this is, actually, it's not up to the rnc at the dnc who participates in debates, and whether there are debates. they're not even involved in debates. i was at the presidential candidates, would be interesting to see, whoever the republican nominee is, whether they move forward with that. because right now, this is just a show from the rnc. i'll be interesting to see what they actually do. >> speaking of a potential nominee in 2024 for the republican party, donald trump has called the commission on presidential debates a, quote, rigged organization. because, of course he does. but there's a real threat to democracy here. how does it help further enable trump's big lie? >> i think that's the really fundamental point. we can talk about the ramifications, politically, of this. and democrats and republicans
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on this. and i grew those just said. and i've had my disagreements. i've worked for president bush. i've got my disagreements with the commission on presidential debates on many xing. one of them is i think they should lower the bar two more minor candidates to get on that stage. this is drop the bar bid so all the candidates can get on that stage. i think that mark and public would enjoy that conversation. but this is the problem. this is another step. is what autocrats do. they don't want to be confronted by facts. they don't want to be put in a situation they don't completely control. and also a presidential debater, or any debate, as you, know or oppress biden, is that is one of the things of the campaign they don't control, and that's good for voters. we control paid advertising. and we control conventions. but we don't control what unfolds i debate, and that is good for a voter. but, to me, democracy depends on two fundamental things. the ability to get to the common good, which the republicans don't seem to have
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a desire on anymore. you don't believe in the common good. and in a common set of facts. i'm getting out of debates, they're making another step, which is why you see almost all of them appear on fox news, which is a complete russian television friendly organization that never confronts them on facts. but we saw what happens when we don't have comments in effect so the pandemic. we don't have a common set of facts on climate change. we have a common set of facts on voter turnout what happened in the election. and when that happens, in oversight one of the population that only received their information in a way that is unfactual or disinformation, democracy begins to break. >> zoe kyi, are republicans on the state level joining up for doing things like passing anti-trans logistician. and this, week in missouri democrat pushed back against his republican colleague who has a gay brother.
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take a listen. >> your brother wanted to tell you that he was gay, didn't he? >> he was expressing that with the family, and he thought that we would hold that against, him and lot lot my children be around him. >> why do you think he thought that? >> i don't know. i never would've happened, i thought you got. >> can i tell you, if i were your brother, i would've been afraid to tell you too. i would've been afraid to tell you, because of the stuff like this. because this is why you're focused on. this is the religious nation want to put forward. this is what consumes your time. for 18 years i walked around with nice people like you who took me to ball games, who told me how smart i was, and we went to the ballot and voted for crap like this. >>, while. whether it's a tax on trans
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youth, or migrants, or even voting rights, how should democrats forcefully counter all of these gop scapegoating? >> well, you will continue to see from the republican party fearmongering and divisiveness. and i just want to be very clear, the use that, in the four years of donald trump, and they lost. they lost the house, they lost the senate, and they lost the white house. and the reason why democrats won is because democrats are empowered to helping the american people. and so, democrats need to continue to do that. i need to continue to speak out where they must, when their state laws across the country. they also need to nodded lover. it one thing i would say about this is, when we lost everything in 2016, democrats didn't go to fearmongering and divisiveness. democrats talked about the issues that democrats cared about. the talk about health care, the economy, every where across the
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country, they said they will reduce prescription costs. and guess, what we ended up winning. republicans should take a page from democrat's playbook after we lost everything, but unfortunately, they're going that their way, which will only benefit democrats across the elections. >> matt, sochi, thank you so much. next, putin's big embarrassments on the world stage, and why is propaganda machine may help him say face with the russian people. how is he able to maintain such deception? and later, a video of enormous fueling global conspiracy theory. nbc reporter and her new podcast several talking about after this quick break. ter thisui qck break ter thisui qck break customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need? like how i customized this scarf? check out this backpack i made for marco. only pay for what you need. ♪liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪
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putin. he may officials confirmed ukrainian officials sank the russian ship with two missiles. new video today from kharkiv showing the aftermath of the rocket strike. the authorities say, killed at least one person. we also have upwards of new attacks on the city of kyiv. the onslaught of warfare proving putin has no plans to back off the brutality. and we should note, he said this week that peace talks with ukraine have hit a, quote, dead and. with me now is ruth mejia,
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district professor of new york university. and author of the book, strong men. mussolini, to the president. ruth, thank you so much for joining us. how could this setbacks like this, let's think of this, worship or this reported death of the russian general, how can that influence putin's next move? >> so, putin is waging war the way he wants to, and there is a real fear that he will escalate to compensate for this embarrassment to the russian military in the face of the world. the longer this goes on, the more russian humiliation on the battlefield, the more his position at home becomes precarious. as a scholar of autocracy, i was look at the relation
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between what goes on when autocrats miscalculate on the battlefield. and their positions at home. so, we could see even if he spends something as a victory, elites, and of course as military, might be quiet discontented with him. they know better. >> but says that peace talks with ukraine on that and, and moscow's winning the u.s. if consequences should washington continue to weaponize ukraine. your student of history and autocratic behavior. is that every case in your mind where putin is actually open to diplomacy? >> no, not really. unless he feels that his position at home is so precarious that he's gonna prefer to start negotiating in a zone manner than lose power. as the one thing autocrats
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always fear is the loss of power. we know that putin watches very carefully what happens to other autocrats. indeed, we know that he became obsessed with how -- but autocrats in general don't negotiate. there are respect the rule of law at home. they don't respect the laws of war. there's lots of diplomacy, so they do what we've seen putin do. they use the link tactics, they negotiate in bad faith, they waste peoples time. and, so we can expect anything good or trustworthy from putin. good or trustworthy from putin and how those leaders like putin for example corrupt the political systems that they
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run. we know putin's the masters of propaganda. the russian people probably don't know how bad the war is actually going. but how long can putin get away with that? what's the risk to his regime and should russians be told the truth, or when do you think if ever, they will learn the truth? >> yeah, his hug you know, 22 years to construct this extremely, warfare, which uses censorship and silencing critics. you look at those activists in jail, so anybody who tells the truth to russians is probably you know silenced. and really it makes the russian information model, it makes the truth impossible to know an order to de politicize people. however, what we do know that what happens in wartime is that when do you have a failing effort on the battlefield,
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soldiers are paying the price of course, russian soldiers. and there's a conduit of information about the truth that trickles back to soldiers communities and soldiers families, and so, the longer wars like this, if it goes on, the harder it is to conceal the truth from russians. ruth, thank you so much for joining us. after the break, the short video that has fueled the global conspiracy about covid vaccines. the reporter uncovering the web of lies in a new nbc news podcast is here next. dcast is here xtne ♪simply irresistible♪ ♪ ♪ ♪simply irresistible♪ applebee's irresist-a-bowls are back. now starting at $8.99.
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accusations of how we killed tiffany, which is absolutely false. we had inquiries from all over the world, people posting, commenting, media outlets reaching out to fact check. probably more than a dozen international outlets reaching
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out about this. we have had people who have tried to get into the hospital to prove tiffany is alive. >> how do wonders this faint become her finale in the eyes of global conspiracy theorists? and you podcast from nbc explores the internet obsession with defended over. joining me now, nbc news senior reporter, brandy zadrozny. she's the host of broadcast series, tiffany dover is dead, premiering monday. thank you for joining me, brandi. tell us, how did you first come across tiffany's story? >> so, thanks for having me. i, my job is to live on the internet. i think of it is deeply hanging out, and i spent a lot of time in anti vax spaces, and spaces where misinformation and where
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extremists live. and on this day, i was actually in a really nice part of the internet. it was december 17th, 2020, and a lot of us were sort of glut or laptops, watching live streams of local hospitals, and people getting the vaccine. health care workers were getting it. tiffany dover was one of these health care workers. and, although i was in a nice space, we were all very excited, just a great day. there was not so great people in these places, waiting for something to go wrong. and with tiffany, even though it was just a feint, for them, this was their proof. some one called it a gift from god, and they immediately duck done it, spread it around the world within a day. and now, it's on one of the lap long-lasting conspiracy theories that i know off around the vaccine. >> for the podcast, you spoke to an anti vaxxer who insisted tiffany, used that, let's take a listen to that. >> for the record, you think she is no longer alive. >> absolutely. >> because you haven't seen her on social media. >> because of several things,
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actually. no, it was a ridiculous thing, it was hastily concocted. and this was at the beginning of this rollout. the last thing they could have is, you know, a death, a very public death, you know, while there is still trying to convince people to take the thing. so they had to cover it up. and it literally stinks of a cover-up. and it's at the entire system. the entire system is behind this. which sounds, it does sound like all conspiracy theory like, but there it is. >> brandi, how hard is it to change peoples minds about this kind of misinformation? >> well, allegedly, people like
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those true believers, and i think this is in his false belief. drinking your own urine is the key to health. with this particular person, it's very hard to convince him that this is not true. there are other people in the podcast i talk to, that were more easily, you know, persuadable, i would say. so we did really depends how much of a person's life they've given over to a conspiracy theory, and that will really tell you what kind of chance you have. >> when i only got about a minute left, let me just ask you. i mean, why are conspiracy theories like this so harmful? >> oh man! tiffany's, in particular, she really was sort of the canary and the coal mine for a lot of people. and it really does, it may not just be this conspiracy theory, but disinformation in general makes you not know, you know, what to believe.
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and so, especially when it comes to something like a vaccine. sometimes it can just feel like, oh, i will just do nothing, right? i will just do nothing. and when it comes to the vaccine, it can save your life, doing nothing not getting it, that's a danger. >> brandy zadrozny, thank you. the first episode of tiffany dover is dead drops this monday, on wherever you get your podcast. at the top of the hour on ayman, you will hear from california congresswoman jackie speier about the january six investigation. that and more, just moments away here on msnbc. ay here on msnbc (vo) for me, one of the best things about life is that we keep moving forward. we discover exciting new technologies. redefine who we are and how we want to lead our lives. basically, choose what we want our future to look like. so what's yours going to be?
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i'll be on castro this weekend for at least someone in this. a few back here tomorrow at 6 pm eastern for more american voices. a man. >> hey, how are you? >> i'm doing great. >> i was gonna say, there anything you can do? because you do it all, and now you're getting into tv. so i got, asked anything you can do? >> a lot of things, but we won't talk about that right now. >> well, listen i gotta say, i enjoyed watching you tonight, and i look forward to watching again tomorrow, and hopefully many more nights as well. good to see you my friend. >> good to see you. >>


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