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where the results of today's elections could have an impact on the future of nato. as well as the fate of ukraine. french president emmanuel macron is facing off against fareed or mentally le pen. we will have a live report from there just a few minutes. as we get the 9 pm hour for kyiv, still no word on a meeting in ukraine today. president zelenskyy said he will meet with lloyd austin and anthony blinken. and the announced that trip yesterday, but u.s. officials have yet to comment. on it nbc news has not confirmed the trip. however, they say that heavy weapons will be at the top of their agenda. zelenskyy is optimistic about a change that he has seen in talks with u.s. officials, saying he hopes u.s. actions will help back up their words. >> we now have seen this shift in our western partners, attitudes especially seeing a change in speed in parts of the
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united states. and if the speed keeps accelerating as they have promised. if they are stepping aside with their words, as an indecent person should do. >> today is the 16th day of the war in ukraine, all from the widely observed religious holiday orthodox easter, celebrate the cross the region in ukraine and moscow, even president putin was in moscow today taking part in president celebrations. but bombardments are unrelenting. -- or accusing the russian military of discussing russian tanks with ukrainian flags and then opening fire on civilians. they've not yet been able to independently confirm this. there are clinically struck 26 of facilities in the last several hours, destroying weapons that had been sent to ukraine by western countries. again, nbc news is not able to independently confirm that. also new this hour, a long time
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putin critic calls on -- to call off dollars to moscow. >> every day europe germany france italy austria and various other places, who are totally dependent on russian gas, send vladimir putin a billion dollars every day. and so, just within really simple terms, vladimir putin is owed a billion dollars a day. and every day he gets a billion dollars from europe. >> let's get down to the latest reporting from ukraine and washington. nbc's kelly quality a joining us from odessa. mike -- from the white house. welcome you. both kelly, starting with you. how the people of odessa reacted to the recent missile attacks. we know that an apartment building has been struck. >> they are certainly much more on edge than they were a couple of days ago. there is not been a missile strike in the city for more than three weeks now. and that strike, three weeks
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ago, picked an oil refinery in some storage units, not a residential building. this is the first time a civilian target has been hit here in odessa. people are very nervous and afraid of what may come next. that's a cruise missile hit at about 2:30 in the afternoon, on saturday. people were inside that 16 story apartment building. they were having, lunch tv, preparing for the eastern sunday celebrations. orthodox easter holiday here today. when that missile hit and went clear through the building. it killed eight people, among the dead are three month old, a little baby girl, her mother and her grandmother. we spoke today to a number of people, including a woman who lives in a neighboring building. she lives there with a 23 year old daughter. she says they were happy to stay in odessa, that it felt safe up until yesterday.
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here is what she said through a translator. >> she is afraid to stay in odessa. she did not want to leave a dozen and ukraine. but now, probably she will have to. she felt more stuck in odessa. life pretty much as usual. and now it is here. >> telling us there that her daughter very much now wants to leave, and perhaps join friends in germany. that is something that people are now considering after this missile strike on a civilian structure. the russian defense ministry says they did not target any civilian areas in the city, but they were targeting military installations which claims to have hit a place where a number of weapons provided by u.s. and
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european countries were being stored. we cannot independently verify that. the ukrainians certainly are not verifying that. they say that two missiles struck the city yesterday. one in that apartment building, the other in some unspecified military location. but alex, certainly people here in odessa are rethinking whether or not they should stay, particularly, again after the public announcement just a couple of days ago from the russian defense ministry, but they were looking at capturing all of southern ukraine, including odessa. >> okay. thank you very, much appreciated. kelly from odessa for us. the breaking news at this hour, french president emmanuel macron has won reelection in the country's hotly contested presidential election. the associated press projected his win after polls closed just minutes ago. this gives emmanuel macron a second five year term, as the leader of france. let's go to our correspondents on the ground there.
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we have cbc's kelly so who is with the macron campaign. where supporters have begun their celebrations. charlotte reed is at marie le pen's space. welcome to you both. karen, first to you. to the victor, let's get the reaction where you are. >> alex, good evening to you from paris. the party is just not stopping here. apparently i am standing in the victors camp. the exit polls have just been released. 58.2 for macron, verses -- for le pen. keep in, on these extra polls here in france are very reliable. they are taken from actual ballots, samples from how people actually voted. not just interviews of those passing votes. so, it is reliable. i can tell, you the music just started and we've a lot of support, but that sun, underneath this, it is very different from five years ago when emmanuel macron was a challenger. he was a man with a vision. . i think it was a fairly
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confident lead to tonight, but it is possible he might just get across the line. keep in mind that for the, pen he was described as a far-right candidate that was just too radical. taking into the palace five years ago. he has soften his image. but it is still the substance of that many are concerned about. a skeptic nature at a time when we have a community that has been traveling the war in ukraine with european sanctions. concerns about their approach to nato. they are both pivotal to the approach which has been taken. so just perhaps too high in hurdle to get across this point. i think a lot of people have been considering staying at home, and then did come out. we have heard early reports of the big urban areas that are [inaudible] we >> we are clearly getting
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some interference here with our signal there with karen so, but let me just reiterate what she said. we are talking about the french president emmanuel macron, having now been reelected to a second term there, five years for the president of france. notably what karen was showing where the exit poll numbers. by my calculation, he won with about a 17-point edge. which was far greater than it was anticipated going into today's final polls. charlotte, let's turn to you and talk about any reaction yet from the le pen campaign for this. do you think that this is quite a blow, given the 17 point differential. if, as karen said, the exit polls can be reliable? >> well look. on papal, for sure it is great. it has been 20 years in france with the french president, as an incumbent, has not managed to get reelected. and the result is better with
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the latest poll that we have on friday. however, the far-right has never been so close to power. the reason tonight from mary le pen's east to a certain extent, a good result for her. it is reached a second round of the election, three times in french history. the first time they scored 18%. the second time, they score 34%. this time, it is 42%. so they are gaining ground, it is no question. on immigration, on the system, anti organizations. it is here to stay in french politics. traditional party tees. they've completely collapsed in the polls. both of them have under 5% in the first round of the election. and all the votes have gathered around being too far left or far-right candidates. anti-system parties. to a certain extent, the hard drop for everybody starts now.
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we have to reunite this country which is very deeply divided. and there is also a high extension. the high extension that we see in presidential elections in france, which is about 27%. so we will have some parliamentary elections in just about eight weeks. the question is, can you get the majority in that primary to push forward to these programs? that would have mary le pen coming on stage, about to make her speech. certainly hanging around the head of this next parliamentary battle in just a few weeks. guys. >> i know we should be saying so in french so we won't take that. asylum ask you very quickly, charlotte, do you think this is the end of the aspirations for murray le pen to become president of france? it seems she is now lost quite decisively to elections in a row. will the far-right look to find another leader to leave their party? >> that is a very interesting question. she said for the first round that she would not state another election.
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she has won three times already. she said that you want to do it again. and then another fire came on the political stage. so then the question is, how our political force is going to redesign and regroup around which characters? that is really what is at stake now. the battle starts now for all of these terms. in the far-right, how does this position on the french political stage play? that is what happens with emmanuel macron back in 2017. a huge bang of french politics. her position is still playing out, what now. charlotte rita will let you listen to milley le pen as she gives her concession speech. thank you for reporting on the victory of emmanuel macron having now been reelected to a second term as the president of france. thank you ladies, let's bring it in on the hill for that. returning general -- before we get to see more military, details under the lived in france for four years.
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give me a sense of when -- what effect you think will cross victory will have on the situation in ukraine doesn't maintain a certain stability? >> no question. france is vital. the european unity, never mind nato, has a very sophisticated, well equipped army navy there for us. and it has a very aggressive foreign policy posture. macron himself has been instrumental, not just in trying to create -- but also supporting on the ground. so it is great, relief i am sure, throughout the nation of nato today. about all of this. >> all right, let's talk specifically about what you are hearing from your sources in terms of where we stand with ukraine in this hour. and what is the significance of the threats we have been reporting on odessa? >> i would not want to focus on the civilian terror attacks too much.
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putin's strategy, no question, this is to stabilize the country and force millions in refugee status, and force political habituation. it is not going to have the real center of gravity in this war now, which is in the east. the ukrainian army, they are supporting arms. and the russians are going to take part in a giant war maneuver in the coming weeks. the russians have a preponderance of support. they have modern equipment compared to the ukrainians. they fight is in the balance. the russians will try to encircle and destroy the ukrainian army. they are not just trying to seize terrain. if they can destroy the ukraine ukrainian army, the entire nation is lost. the worst situation, i'm glad to see these two spectacular public servants, lloyd austin and tony blinken, going in on the ground to talk to zelenskyy and his senior people.
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>> >> what is what is interesting interesting, about what you just sir, about what you just said is that we said is we are taking are taking with the certainty that certainty that this this meeting has meeting has even even happened happened from from ukrainian ukrainian sources. sources notably, notably president president zelenskyy, who zelenskyy. we have announced this meeting. yet to hear anything we have yet to hear from the anything from the united states, united states from the from the pentagon pentagon officially, officially or or from the from the white house white house acknowledging this acknowledging this meeting. could meeting. that be due to security concerns? might we not hear anything but that the security until they wheel up and concerns? might out of ukrainian we not hear anything until they're wheels up, out airspace? of ukrainian is that what you think when it happens here airspace? is that what you might have? >> heard here? of course. >> of course. i'm sure there is i'm sure there has been a huge amount of dismay when a huge amount of dismay zelenskyy announced they when zelenskyy announced they were coming were coming. and essentially the and, day that they would be essentially, the day they would be there. there. and indeed, the location and the meeting underground. it was a dramatic stroke on zelenskyy's part. the russians are not going to try to kill lloyd austin and tony blinken. they will try to embarrass them while they are in kyiv. so it invites a strike on the city while they are there.
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or some effort to distract attention from the meeting. but by the, way the big deal going on right now is not a momentary visit by these two super public servants. when are we going to open an embassy again, 50 u.s. marines there and 100 diplomats, and a u.s. military liaison asylum. something in that opening, that would now be a positive public mark of, endorsement of the ukrainian war. -- >> absolutely. we can remember that there are probably blueprints waiting to put those together. we know that they have offered -- some of which include nato members. what kind of consensus do you think the u.s. can have though? could something military come out of this meeting?
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>> i think it is absolutely bill brilliant how the biden administration has created global endorsement for support of ukraine. that includes nato, the european union, but other nations also. the japanese, and others, stepping forward and publicly not just condemning the russians diplomatically, but supporting tangible support. so, i think it is astonishing. i think what is happening so far with the support of ukraine with javelin missiles, stingers, and now the 105 millimeter artillery, came out of a coalition of the willing. these really weren't nato actions. they will run and organized by european command with 50 nations as our partner and supported the ukrainians. i think now what we are seeing is lloyd austin expanding this beyond european allies, trying to stand with ukraine and enforce the notion that russia
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desantis facing new criticism after signing a bill into law stripping disney's ability to self governance orlando area theme parks. the move comes after disney criticize the new state law banning classroom discussion involving gender identity and sexual orientation, in kindergarten through third grade. it is no as the don't say gay bill. joining me now on that is peter weiner, at msnbc political analyst, professor, journalist and the author of the notebook on substack. welcome, good to see you.
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let's talk about the republican party here, taking on the most beloved institution in the state of florida. not to mention the company that drives so much of the states economy. so, now some floridians are going to have to pay as much as 20% more in property taxes. here's the question, how is this politically beneficial to republicans? you've heard the old adage that per wallets, they're not going to like paying more on their taxes. >> well, i'm not sure rhonda santos is really thinking about folks in florida. i think you think about folks in iowa new hampshire and the other states where he runs for president. this is an old playbook. if you go back to ronald reagan, when he was governor of california in the late 60s and early 70s, running on these culture war issues. these issues in which white americans are in afraid of people of color or people are afraid of feminists, of women, in this case of lgbt folks. that has been something the republican party has been doing, with some degree of success, unfortunately. again, going back to reagan's
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period. it's not surprising that ron desantis would use this as his political playbook. >> all right. but, timing wise, peter, it comes a week after florida's education department rejected a number of math folks. specifically because they incorporate prohibitive topics, including critical race theory. desantis also signing a bill about that, by the way. i mean, math books? these culture wars, are they working? and if so, for whom? >> look, if one is talking about the education of children, creating a better society, this is terrible. schools should be a safe place for kids to actually talk about the issues in their lives. in the wake of the surprise victory in virginia, in which glenn youngkin was able to just panic about the idea that white kids will be taught to hate themselves or that kids would be turned into trans lgbt kids because of their teachers and whether teachers were doing.
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all of this nonsense. there's some evidence that this is been working for republicans. so, it's not surprising at all to me that ron desantis would get on this bandwagon. >> wow, when you put it that way. with what happened with glenn youngkin in virginia, it's extraordinary. it's culture wars, they're certainly not exclusive to florida. you point out what we see in virginia, we've seen them in other states across this country. long-term, what are the implications you think? the effects on society. and then, politically, is there any chance republicans are overplaying their hand? >> i think the effect on the country are terrible, particularly on the people who are most endangered by this, young kids who may be lgbtq. those are the most vulnerable people, the ones with the highest suicide rate. the ones who we should be most concerned about their well-being. what you see with ron desantis
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is exactly the opposite, he's suggesting that it straight society that are the victims i need to be protected from these kids. or from teachers who might be sympathetic to them. which, again, i think will just make kids life harder for these kids, for whom life is already really difficult. will it backfire? if the democrats have a good economic message, yes, i think it can backfire. >> okay. let's take a turn now to the new york times reporting that was adapted from the upcoming book from two of its journalist, this will not pass. trump, biden and the battle for america's future. according to alex burns and jonathan martin, in the days after the january 6th attack, republican leaders like kevin mccarthy and mitch mcconnell express their views, trump was to blame for the attack and could not be allowed to remain in power. but we know how that played out. they're anti trump stances justice all because of opposition from members in their party. in a new msnbc column, hayes brown writes that mcconnell and mccarthy had a shot at stopping
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trump, they didn't take it. the republican leaders of congress totally folded rather than show real leadership. peter, is there any evidence that they could pay the price politically for their lack of conviction? >> unfortunately not. i wish they would, but the reality is that donald trump is still by far the most popular figure among republican voters. and republican voters don't like mitch mcconnell and kevin mccarthy very much, they see them as corrupt, which they are. and so, those people don't have the political base to stand up to donald trump, tragically. they would've had to take a real political risk, the kind of risk that liz cheney has taken, for instance. and they weren't willing to do that, they put their own political careers ahead of the constitution. >> extraordinary. peter beinart, thank you for spelling it all out for us. appreciate it. one of our regular that's just got back from poland, where he met with ukrainian refugees. what he saw in the next that
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the war in ukraine president zelenskyy says he will sit down with the u.s. secretary of state, defense secretary today. let's go to mike nichols at the white house. again, mike, here we are, the third time we're meeting as i'm anchoring this broadcast. no confirmation yet as far as i know. but do you have any further information you can share? >> you know, i've been in touch with multiple white house officials within the last hour and they are still continuing to really stay away from, even discussing this trip. we saw the same from john finer national security council this morning, meet the press with their colleague kristen welker. really going to great lengths not to discuss the possibilities of such a trip. you are discussing this a short time ago, and it's worth emphasizing how unusual it was to hear president zelenskyy discussing this kind of visit given the security concerns.
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reminding you that when boris johnson traveled to kyiv within the last few weeks he did so by train. so this is not even a situation where we might be able to do so when a plane is on the ground, or has taken off. but this is a long journey, from poland within ukraine, in an active war zone. the concerns are serious. they're going forward, an interesting time for this visit to be happening. we see obviously a gap for the two months in this war in ukraine, between what the ukrainians want from the west, particularly from the u.s., with the willingness of the u.s. to get that kind of assistance, that level of assistance. that gap has been shrinking within the past week. we saw president biden announce 1.3 billion dollars in assistance, 800 million for military equipment, for significant military assistance that we continue to provide. it was interesting to hear from ben carter, about what some of the other agenda items might be in such a meeting today.
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which, with a focus particularly on holding latimer putin accountable for some of his actions. let's listen to that. >> we have not been able to confirm whether secretary of state, secretary of defense, are going to kyiv, are going to ukraine. i think that is the appropriate presence at this particular moment. we have to protect the civilian population. we need to preserve the evidence for war crimes, clearly, mr. putin has committed war crimes, and there needs to be accountability in the states. it needs to be part of the international efforts, at this moment, to preserve that. >> remember there had been questions about whether biden might be the u.s. official to trouble within ukraine. we obviously are not seeing that. he is home at delaware, golfing this afternoon with one of his top advisers, but we also know he has been working this morning in the white house read -- reading out a phone call he had with the israeli prime minister. interestingly, in that readout,
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we learned that biden has accepted an invitation from the israeli prime minister to travel to israel as the white house put it within the next month. so that is an indication of some of the international travel we might be seeing from biden. we also expect him to travel to asia next month, at the end of may, that would be his first trip to asia as president. >> okay given how you are a shout out for joe biden thank you for doing this from the white house rather than golfing greens. appreciate that, have a good one. we have a new study number to tell you about being more than 5 million people having fled ukraine, since the start of the russian ukraine -- invasion. the majority being women and children. unicef says two thirds of ukraine seven and a half million children, have been forced to leave their homes. nearly half of them remain in their homes, may not have enough food. joining me now msnbc, news doctor irwin red liner. he is the founder from the national center of disaster at
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columbia. he's currently joining us from paris after it -- assisting polish organizations caring for russian -- ukrainian children. your vantage point on all of this is important, and i ask for your impressions on the children and families that you have met thus far, after what they have been through. how they are being treated in poland. what are your observations? >> it was actually an incredibly impactful, and i'd say, emotional week. and first of all, we have to say, first of all, the war, that is devastating cities in and people in ukraine, especially obviously in the east in the south, is an overwhelming trauma. the reason there's so many people internally displaced within ukraine and the millions of people you talked about that have gone to other countries especially poland, it's taking in a large number. we spent quite a bit of time
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talking to the agencies, but the most dramatic part of our experience this past week is, the five hours that we spent in a high school, a polish high school, that has accepted 50 ukrainian students. and it's just overwhelming. dealing with the children living with that diversity for many decades right, now but seeing these high school kids who are incredibly brave, and forthcoming, but they are hungry. getting food for lunch, for example, while schools are closed or over the weekends, they're not getting even the basic meals. they have medical problems, some that we have not identified or treated, for example, and if they need glasses, or if they have ptsd -- traumatized, by what they saw, there are kids from mariupol who can barely make eye contact. it was pretty distressing.
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and the schools have been incredible. the polish organizations and government, and the ngos there, including the ones that the u.s. government have involved in. alice, the questions, will they get the scale of response that they need, for the 50 kids in the school that i saw, with the other 20,000 ukrainian kids in other polish schools, and probably another 75 or 80,000 but we don't know where exactly they are in terms of education. >> yeah you know, among the things you are talking, about these issues, i mean -- basically, needs medical attention, food, they also have the issue of language, right? these teens you talk to, they don't speak the language there. polish is a slavic lend bridge, so it doesn't really look at the slow -- look the same for them, and consequently, i believe we have some tapes of you interacting with them. let's play the. for >> coming from another country but it's everyone's
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problem right now. [speaking foreign language] >> the relationships of rationally, because it's -- it's comfortable. >> these are very good messages, and we're gonna put it on television tomorrow, and sunday, and next week. and i really want to make sure that people hear from people your age. >> so give me the message there, that you got. the message you want to send from the kids raid their age. >> it was incredible. they looked right into the camera and they said things like, children, teenagers, in
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america, and elsewhere need to appreciate what they have. it is so fragile, it is so easy to lose what you think is your comfort zone. this is what is happened to these children. and the other thing, is they talk a lot. all of the kids. about how important it is for politicians, to understand what is going on. these are children, teenagers talking about understanding that we are all in this together. that everybody has to understand what is happening in ukraine. and make sure that they do whatever can be done to support their peers. it's just, it's very emotional situation, alex. >> yes, it is, it's a wonderful thing that you have gone over there, and are focusing on this. bringing it to us and we are lucky to have what we have. those young ukrainians struggling to make their way through the day. keep up the good work, and we
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view. so, this is the charging? quayle >> yes. >> this is underneath the asphalt? >> exactly. >> these panels are the receivers getting energy. >> so, each one of them transfers 20 kilowatts. >> three men and feel as they pass through the whales, enough to power the bus and charge the batteries. this lower you go the more charge you get. ideal for heavy traffic areas like busy cities, or highways. >> this is a very safe technology. and it's scale-able and it's functioning. >> the technology now being tested in sweden, italy, germany, and soon a one mile stretch avoid in detroit. rolling out this kind of technology on a large scale would take a huge investment but once it's in, it's nearly invisible. the panel controlling this stretch of road is hidden under my feet. operated remotely through
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on elon musk's takeover attempt of twitter, the wall street journal reporting just moments ago that twitter is reexamining musk's bid and maybe more receptive to a deal. the journal says the two sides are meeting today, joining me right now is nbc news technology reporter jacob ward, jacob welcome to you. let's start with this report that the both sides are meeting, twitter could be more receptive now. give me your reaction to all of this, and when you think might've changed to bring him to this point? >> well, alex, it's been a crazy couple of weeks in the world of tack when you have one of the largest, richest people in the world decides to throw its weight around makes it interesting in purchasing twitter. turns out it puts everybody in a complicated position. so, the annual meeting for twitter begins tomorrow and that is probably why they are all together today according to this report from the wall street journal taking a new look at this bit as you know you have must put in a bit of
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$54.24 a share. and ever since then since april 14th the stock price has been trading below that number. that combined with the fact that it turns out musk seems to have lined up the financing about 27 billion dollars, more or less every investment bank in the country, plus 21 billion dollars of his own personal finance. all of that seems to have twitter totally thinking, we do need to take a look at this. and here's the thing, alex, you to think of it also in terms of the position twitter is and in the united states as a public company. you can't just say no to a bid because you think a guy is not the person you want leading your company, you have to prove to shareholders that the decisions you're making are in their best financial interests. so, elon musk is essentially daring twitter to come up with some kind of suggestion that they can drive the share prices of above what he's offering. if they can, they can face all sorts of lawsuits from shareholders. so, everyone in a really complicated position if elon
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musk has set his sights on twitter. >> -- thanks for giving us the latest, and a preview of the company meeting tomorrow we're gonna be following this very closely. let me take a look with you at the new concerns about netflix though. the company reportedly lost 240 subscribers -- first quarter rather. that scared investment and plummeted stop by over a third of its valley, 54 billion dollars lost in one single day, jacob. why do you think viewers are dropping their subscriptions, is it because the market is over saturated, this company's trading platform is potentially, was the company's value over inflated, i mean could it be downhill from here for netflix, or do you think they've plateaued at this lower level? >> well, according to netflix, alex, it had to do with all sorts of things. the warren russia caused them to drop subscribers there, the post covid recovery has people going out and spending less time doing things like watching netflix. but you also have to remember there is a limited number of
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humans on earth, you cannot grow indefinitely and that puts the model always been to just keep growing and growing and growing. and this is at a time when it didn't have a lot of competition when it came to the idea of paying huge amounts of money for the top hollywood stars, top hollywood screen writers making these incredibly hot -- and then dropping all of them at one time. which is a strategy that netflix had pioneered. this may netflix both the envy and really drew a lot of ire when it came to hollywood. it had locked up all the top people, suddenly we're seeing one investors worry could be some big structural differences this year. not only have you mentioned they lost 240,000 subscribers, the forecasts are gonna lose 2 million subscribers, nearly a third of netflix users may operate on borrowed or stolen password. they're gonna start locking down on, you have -- talking ad senate which is something they've always said would never happen. and as you mention all these
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other competitors coming into the market, we see a big structural change in the streaming world. >> always interesting talking with you, not enough time today we'll have you back jacob ward. thank you so much. that's gonna do it to me on this edition of alex alex witt reports -- continues our coverage. s our coverage s our coverage the international bank of pancakes, and start stacking pancoins toward free food, you get a smile on your plate. download the app and join the rewards program today.
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