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>> we're going to have full coverage of the dinner tomorrow right here on msnbc. that does it for me. you can catch me on "american voices" weekends 6:00 p.m. eastern. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. good evening, everyone. we begin "the reidout" with what sure looks like a growing civil war inside the same political party that is doing more than just a little flirting with insurrection. we are awaiting news from the january 6 committee that is investigating round one of that attempt to replace american democracy with something more authoritarian. the committee is expected to issue letters to at least three republicans asking them to testify. the committee is also moving forward with plans to hold its first public hearings in june. but the last few weeks have been -- they have been full of signs of something -- something odd happening inside what had felt like an entirely unified republican party.
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united particularly around donald trump and around fixing what went wrong in round one of the attempted coup. there are the leaks, leaks and more leaks of kevin mccarthy saying one thing and doing another, which seemed to be coming from inside the house with a lot of finger pointing over precisely who the source or sources might be. but it also seems like republicans are trying to cull at least oin sur rekzist from the herd, and that would be madison cawthorn, the freshman congressman from north carolina. you will recall that he said this on january 6th. >> the democrats with all the fraud they have done in this election, the republicans hiding and not fighting, they are trying to silence your voice. make no mistake about it, they do not wanting you to be heard. >> so that lie and the exhortation to fight are not why cawthorn seems to be a target right now. i'm not going to get into the latest revelation because it's
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just too weird, nor have any of the youngest member of congress' other antics caused the republican ire. sexual misconduct in college, calling the president of ukraine a thug, all fine and all good with the republican party. it wasn't until young madison started flinging around accusations of colleagues inviting him to orgies and offering him cocaine. sorry, i know this is a family hour, but it was only then that his fellow republicans and republican leadership said hold up, madison. kevin mccarthy gave him a talking to and said that he had lost his trust. north carolina senator richard burr called him an embarrassment at times. the other north carolina senator, thom tillis, said i want a delegation that works together. i don't want a delegation that gets together minus one and talks about the challenges that that member is causing. clearly meaning madison cawthorn. and it appears that madison is now in the proverbial finding
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out phase with leak after leak after leak of salacious allegations and repeated calls for ethics investigations. in other words, republicans can discipline their own when they want to. while circling the wagons around the other loudest insurrectionist, paul gosar, margie greene, lauren boebert and others, it is very, very weird. but republicans do seem to agree 100% that they are all in getting it right if and when they repeat the coup next time. that is the warning from retired conservative federal judge michael j.luddig. a perennial supreme court short-lister and ted cruz's former mentor. he also advised former vice president mike pence against overturning the 2020 election. and now michael luddig is sounding the alarm about the republican blueprint to steal the next election. he writes that lies about voter
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fraud are the shiny object that republicans have tauntingly and disingenuously dangled for almost a year and a half to distract attention. trump's and the republicans' far more ambitious objective is to execute successfully in 2024 the same plan they failed in executing in 2020 and to overturn the 2024 election if trump or his anointed successor loses again in the next quadrennial contest. luddig calls 2020 a dry run for the next election and lays out step-by-step their intentions. as it stands today trump and/or his anointed successor, the republicans are poised in their word to steal from democrats the presidential election in 2024 that they falsely claimed the democrats stole from them in 2020. but there is a difference between the falsely claimed stolen election of 2020 and what would be the stolen election of 2024. unlike the democrats' theft
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claimed by republicans, the republicans' theft would be an open defiance of the popular vote and, thus, the will of the american people. poetic, though tragic irony for america's democracy. joining me now is lawrence tribe, the university professor of constitutional law at harvard law school. professor tribe, it's always good to talk with you. and had this come from a liberal jurist, somebody who aligned themselves ideologically with democrats would be one thing. but michael luttig is a conservative's conservative. he's been on the short list nominations. this is a conservative. one of the things he's arguing is scary. here's point one. the cornerstone of this plan is to have -- was to have the supreme court embrace the little-known independent state legislature doctrine, which in turn would pave the way for
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exploitation of the electoral college process and electoral count act. can you explain what that means? what is the independent state legislature doctrine and how might it be exploited? >> before i get to that, let me reiterate what you just said about judge luttig. he is a conservative's conservative. he served as a federal judge on the fourth circuit for 15 years. he was seriously considered by george w. bush to be chief justice of the united states, and if not that, to take the seat that sam alito took. so he is authentically a conservative. he's not a radical. he's not an ideologue, but he's a principled conservative. now, he points out in his piece that there is this strangely named independent state legislature doctrine. it's cleverly named because it sounds innocuous. state legislatures are
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independent. but it's made up. the doctrine supposedly is that when a state legislature, regardless of the state's constitution, regardless of anything that the state's highest court might say, when the state legislature has rules laid down, even if the rules say, for example, we will disregard the popular vote or whoever won it, we are simply going to come in and name our own slate, that that's the last word. it really would give the state legislature of each state the authority basically to erase democracy, wipe out a republican form of government and do its will. now, state legislatures are defined by the state constitution going all the way back to the beginning of the republic, whether you're an originalist or any other kind of ist. you have to recognize that this doctrine, so-called doctrine is just made from whole cloth.
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but without getting into the weeds, the point is that this made-up doctrine, a brain child of john eastman, which finds some language in a concurring opinion by then chief justice rehnquist in bush versus gore but it wasn't an opinion of the court, that is being bandied about as the technique that they hope to use if they get gorsuch and kavanaugh and alito and thomas on board they hope to use to take the next election regardless of who wins. but that's only four justices. they need a fifth. i don't think they're going to have chief justice roberts in that camp to steal the election. they're counting on amy coney barrett. there's no particular reason to think that she's unprincipled enough to buy that idea.
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so you might think so why worry? but, you know, none of us can predict for sure what amy coney barrett will do and there are other ways they could steal the election. there are local officials that don't have the backbone of a guy like raffensperger. there are all sorts of ways to steal an election, more than you might imagine. there is a law going back to 1887, the electoral count act, that is probably the worst drafted law i have ever read. it's got one ambiguity after another, one loophole after another, and it can be used in all kinds of ways. they tried to use it to strong arm mike pence into either declaring trump the winner, even though he wasn't the winner, or failing that, basically punting to the house of representatives. there's a procedure by which that can happen.
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in the house of representatives, each state has one vote. and 26 of the state delegations in 2020 were controlled by republicans. now, dissecting all that happened in 2020 is an interesting exercise. we'll learn more about it when the january 6 committee holds its public hearings. but as judge luttig points out, it's not what happened in 2020 that we need to worry about. it's the way 2020 was a dry run, a dress rehearsal for 2024. and the republicans are methodically putting in place a system for winning even if they lose. that's really scary, and there are things that need to be done to reduce the risk. we need to amend the electoral count act to get rid of some of those ambiguities. we need to shoot down that crazy
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so-called independent state legislature theory. there are all sorts of things we need to do. but all of us need to get busy and take the risk seriously, as he put it, being forewarned is being forearmed. but not to lay down your arms in advance. >> just to clarify, if they -- if the supreme court, because i don't trust amy coney barrett, let's just be honest about where i stand on this. if they got a 5-4 ruling -- nobody expected bush v. gore to happen and they claimed it's presidential and every time we turn around they're pulling things from that to use against our democracy. let's say enough state legislatures are controlled by republicans because enough of them win elections or hold their seats so that they just decide we don't like the slate that was sent by our state in whatever state. we're going to instead of sending the democratic state for biden or whoever is the democrat, we're going to sending the slate for trump or whoever is the republican. is there anything that anyone
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could do about it? because congress, presumably if it's in the control of republicans, would say, great, we're going to go with that. >> the thing that can be done about it, first of all, is not throwing in the towel in advance and assuming that we're going to lose at the u.s. supreme court. the other thing that can be done about it is take advantage of the bipartisan agreement that seems to exist now about closing loopholes in the electoral count act that virtually everyone agrees is flawed. it has this bizarre provision, for example, that says if there's a failed election, then the state legislature can step in. what's a failed election? we need to clarify that. that's got to be some terrible, natural disaster but not just an election that fails to produce the result that you like. those are the things that can be done. we can also make every effort to ensure that the people who are elected to lower positions like
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secretaries of state, the people who will count the votes, that they are more honest and pay attention to those elections and not just to the midterm elections. so there are a lot of things that can be done. we cannot afford to throw in the towel. >> yeah, indeed. and that is a sign and a message to everybody. you must vote all the way down the ballot. pay attention to state legislative races, pay attention to those secretary of state races, they are key, because republicans are relentlessly trying to install and elect people who are pledging in advance to throw the election to trump should he run or whatever republican and to never let another democrat win an election for the president of the united states. this is scary stuff. professor lawrence tribe, as always, it's always a pleasure. thank you, sir. really appreciate you. up next on "the reidout" no end to the russian savagery in ukraine as bombs call on kyiv during a high-level diplomatic visit. and does russia's tv commentator seem to be encouraging nuclear conflict?
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plus, the growing threat to women in red states with oklahoma passing a texas-style abortion ban, which has already had devastating consequences. and, it is seared into our consciousness. 30 years ago when the acquittal of the officers who brutally beat rodney king led to a week of rioting in los angeles. "the reidout" continues after this. s. "the reidout" continues after this this is a hero, walking his youngest down the aisle, which to his bladder, feels like a mile. yet he stands strong, dry, keeping the leaks only to his eyes. depend. the only thing stronger than us, is you. the lows of bipolar depression can leave you down and in the dark. but what if you could begin to see the signs of hope all around you?
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russian forces struck in the heart of kyiv on thursday, as u.n. secretary general antonio guterres wrapped up a meeting with president zelenskyy, an attack the mayor of kyiv described as vladimir putin's way of giving his middle finger to the nation's leader. they called on russia to strike ukrainian railways while transporting diplomats like u.s. secretary of state tony blinken and the prime minister of bulgaria. president zelenskyy said there was a high risk peace talks will ending without a positive outcome. russian foreign minister sergey lavrov claimed russia is not threatening anyone with nuclear war but rather it is western nations talking about such things. except the brinksmanship has been coming from lavrov himself and those on tv who went so far as to say a nuclear war could be a good thing because those dying for the motherland will skyrocket to paradise.
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moments later lavrov threatened moldova saying they should be worried about their future, which the previous comment sounded a lot more like what isis leaders would say than what would normally come from the united nations security council member. all of this comes as the european union is discussing ways to wean itself off of russian oil. germany is prepared to back a gradual ban on russian crude. berlin would support a phased approach to targeting oil rather than a price cap to withhold parts of moscow's revenue. this is a significant shift for germany which has argued against taking those measures for fear of what they would do to the european economy. the u.s. is working on its sixth sanctions package with an official proposal expected next week. with me lieutenant colonel alexander vindman, senior advisor and author of "here, right matters."
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i flipped it and bungled it, but where the russian state tv talking about a nuclear war being a good thing because the motherland, people of the motherland would go to paradise, that is not something we would normally hear from state tv in a sort of normal country. it's kind of the thing that we hear terrorist groups say, right? what do you make of that kind of language being used regarding nuclear war in russia? >> it's a huge amount of loose talk, frankly. we have to remember these are state-run news stations and they're carrying the state's message. so there's an objective here. the objective is pretty straightforward. it's to warn off the west for continuing to provide aid to ukraine and warn off additional sanctions. they're doing everything they can. they're failing on the battlefield and at this point they see signaling from the west these $33 billion that the u.s. is contributing, all of the equipment is starting to pour
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in, is going to decisively put a period on russia's ability to achieve any significant military aims. so they're trying to go back to that old playbook of warning off through nuclear sabre rattling and things of that nature. the thing is that they have done this before. they did this before the war started with their nuclear exercise. they did it early on. so you have diminishing returns with this loose talk about nuclear war. it's not going to -- it's going to be diminishing returns in terms of the fact that people get bored of this conversation and they're going to be -- they're going to start -- even people that are concerned about it initially will start to come around to the fact that this is just a bunch of sabre rattling that is unsubstantiated by any concrete actions. so that's what we're seeing unfold as just a flailing about to achieve some sort of outcome. >> so you don't believe that russia would become so desperate to have what looks like a win? i mean i know we're coming up on may 9th which is a significant date within russia when one
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would think that putin would want to or feel some pressure -- maybe he doesn't feel any pressure -- to show something that looks like victory. you are not worried that they would be so desperate to have what looks like victory that they would use even tactical nuclear weapons? >> i guess i'm puzzled by the notion. it just seems illogical to me that they would look for some victory through the use of nuclear weapons that threaten mutual destruction. if anything, it takes what is a potential risk to the regime, instability due to obviously a lot of blame on putin for this poor adventure, so that's one kind of short-term risk associated with this military operation and magnifies it into an immediate existential threat due to the potential for nuclear escalation. that is not a prescription for success. there are other things that they might try to do to try to --
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it's a full-court press right now with them looking like they're taking control in the east. they might try to do savage attacks somewhere. but a nuclear escalation does not -- that threatens the regime ultimately is not a prescription for success as far as i can -- i don't see how it is. >> in your view, do you think it is time to declare russia to be a state sponsor of terror? >> you know, i think -- that comes with -- that label comes with certain amount of baggage and prohibitions. so it's not just simply calling it a state sponsor of terror, but it means that it's isolated and treated appropriately as iran or any number of other state sponsors of terror. i think we're there, frankly, but we should understand this is not like a rhetorical tool, this is a technical tool that then binds the u.s. to take certain kinds of actions.
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i think russia is a state sponsor of terror. we should go ahead and there is no potential for normal relationships with putin or with the russian regime under putin so there's no real costs as far as i'm concerned with doing it but there is a sequence of events that would unfold as a result of that. >> let me ask you lastly about there is a u.s. citizen who has now died fighting for ukraine. there are about 20,000 foreign fighters there. his name is willie joseph cancel. he's an american citizen, u.s. marine veteran who was fighting in ukraine and he was killed during the invasion this week according to his family. he was only 22 years old. he had gone to ukraine with a force from a private military contracting company. his mother said he had been there since last month. does that -- what does that do to sort of the way americans will start to view this fight, in your view? >> well, you know, it's interesting to hear -- it's interesting, frankly, to recognize that we maybe attach
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some unique attention to the fact that an american citizen has died. frankly british citizens died before that and jordan citizens have died. but it's closer to home because we're americans. but in reality i think the story is that there are in fact 20,000 volunteers in this foreign legion. so it's really a story of people, former soldiers that spent their careers or short stint in the military fighting for the defense of an idea, the defense of freedom, willing to put their lives on the line. this one individual represents countless other americans, really hundreds and thousands of americans that are there fighting for this freedom, fighting for this idea of freedom, fighting for democracy, fighting for the preservation of american values and interests in a different land. i think that's the real important story. we should of course -- you know, we should honor these individuals that are continuing to serve overseas contingencies
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like americans did in world war ii before we joined. >> including a good friend of this show, who we interviewed not too long ago. lieutenant colonel alexander vindman, thank you, sir. really appreciate your time. up next, oklahoma becomes the latest red state to pursue a texas-style abortion ban, turning citizens into bounty hunters with abortion providers in the crosshairs. stay with us. n providers in the crosshairs. stay with us this is the sound of nature breathing. and this is the sound of better breathing. fasenra is a different kind of asthma medication. it's not a steroid or inhaler.
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yesterday the oklahoma legislature advanced two bills modeled after the texas bounty hunter law. the senate bill bans abortion at six weeks before most patients even know that they are pregnant. and the house bill outlaws virtually all abortions. they both allow civilians to enforce the law by suing doctors or anyone who aids or abets in abortion, with rewards of at least $10,000. they'll go into effect immediately once they're signed by the governor. planned parenthood has already sued to block the senate bill. this all after stitt had already signed a separate law, making it illegal to perform an abortion except in medical emergencies, but that won't go into effect until this summer. oklahoma had become a refuge for patients from neighboring texas after it passed its abortion law with a 2,500% increase in texas
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patients seeking care at oklahoma planned parenthoods compared to the same time period the year before. and now patients will have to travel even further if the oklahoma bill goes into effect. this bill is just one of many copy cat bounty hunter bill. vice news talked to the architect of that texas law about how he came up with a loophole that allowed texas to circumventing roe v. wade. >> the bill specifically bans state and local officials from enforcing the law. was that a legal maneuver to protect the state from being challenged? >> we realized that by doing this, this could allow the law to go into effect more quickly than other pro-life laws in the past. so yes, you bet. >> when you designed this bill, did you ever imagine it would have such a ripple effect across the country, on both the republican and the democratic side? >> we knew that it would work on paper, but of course we didn't know until we passed the law and it took effect.
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>> were you surprised? >> we've been encouraged. it's been more effective than we expected it to be. >> i'm joined now by vice news host paula ramos. paula, it's great to be here. talk about a ripple effect. he sounds like he felt very clever for having come up with this loophole. it is now exploded anti-abortion bills. 30 in 14 states with copy cat language, 17 with similar mechanisms, the private right to action and private right to sue, and it's being used to stop critical race theory. so is the sense here that the right has found a way to end abortion regardless of whether roe v. wade disappears? >> exactly. so the real threat here goes beyond discussing the morality of these abortion laws, right? the real threat is that it is fundamentally changing the government's mechanisms and democracy in this country, right, because they are
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literally deputizing vigilantes, bounty hunters, extremists to take the law into their own hands. the reason why this is happening is because that legal mechanism, very loophole stems from sb-8. it says that the state is not responsible for enforcing the law. the fact that it completely absolves the state and that's because texas republicans understood that if it is private citizens who enforce the law, it is almost impossible to challenge these bills in federal court. you can defy constitutional rights, you can defy democratic norms and you can defy democracy as we know it and that's exactly what is happening. the gop understood that and that is the heart of what i think are all of these different culture war bills. >> and i misspoke saying they have founding a way to end abortion. they won't end it, it will just make it illegal in enough states that they will make it almost impossible for a woman to get an abortion. the distance a woman would have to travel if you can't go to the neighboring state, the distance
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i think is 666 miles for women in louisiana, florida 575 miles, texas 542 miles. we're talking about women having to travel a long way. and then they are also in some states trying to make it illegal to leave the state to get an abortion. is the anticipation here when you spoke with this gentleman that they feel confident, right, that they're going to be upheld by the supreme court, right? >> completely. in fact already the supreme court had an opportunity to sort of suspend the law and it didn't. and so the question is what message does that send to other states? it says, all right, we're going to do it as well. and that is why a lot of these culture war bills beyond just the abortion one, anti-trans, anti-lgbtq, at its core is many of them private citizens doing what typically is the state's responsibility. that's exactly what's happening in florida with the "don't say gay" bill. that's what's happening with the woke act bill. it is encouraging parents to sue
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schools. that's what happened with governor abbott's anti-transgender directive. you mandate citizens to report parents if they suspect that their transgender kids are taking these gender-affirming medical treatments. that is the gop understanding, that the only way to stop what is in my eyes inevitable, which is this country becoming majority minority. this country leaning into their rights, their constitutional rights. the only way to pause that is by using these loopholes. >> the irony is the proefs time this mechanism has been used is the two fugitive slave acts and they're making it illegal to teach that in school. i want to play a little interview that you did with a trans teenager about the texas law that has the requirement to report any families seeking this kind of care. take a look. >> what was it like for you when you heard about the governor's directive? >> i've sort of dealt with
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feeling like the world and people around me dislike me, distrust me. but to have that actualized and then to see neighbors, friends, family members support that publicly, it's definitely the worst i've felt probably ever before. like i felt like i needed to take myself out of the world. >> i felt like i needed to take myself out of the world. that's pretty stark. >> it's traumatic. that family, joy, literally had to flee from their state of texas to reach maryland because that was the place and the state where they felt safe at that point. you just heard, that's cass. their mom, carrie, was too scared to remain in texas because she thought she would be reported so she felt she only had the ability to move. the real crisis is the trauma
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that this is inflicting on young people. >> and you interviewed this man who came up with this clever way of getting around roe v. wade. did he express to you what their end game is for lgbtq people? is it recloseting? is it that they want people to go back to sort of the era when people existed in the closet? is that what will satisfy them? >> so just to be clear, i spoke to senator brian hughes and he was the legal architect so that's separate, the abortion bill. but his answer was very clear. he told me the way that we designed the bill was specifically for it to be a legal maneuver to go around the federal courts, to go around constitutional rights. so he sees this as a legal, legal maneuver, as a strategy to get away with what they want. >> yeah. it's great reporting,
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fascinating reporting, scary reporting. we do say scary is caring around here so we appreciate you bringing that to us. still ahead, marking 30 years since the acquittals of four white police officers sparked by six days of deadly riots in los angeles. we'll be right back. y otris in los angeles we'll be right back. insights illuminate better choices. allowing us to see differently and do more. with kpmg you have the people and technologies, to uncover insights and turn them into action. when we act on insight, with the right people by our side, opportunity is everywhere. let insights reveal new opportunities.
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grainy video showing four los angeles police officers brutally assaulting a black man, rodney king. images that shocked some americans while confirming for many black americans what they knew all too well about how police too often treated them, all culminating in a closely watched trial and its verdict. >> find the defendant, lawrence m. powell, not guilty of the crime of assault by force likely to produce great bodily injury and with a deadly weapon. >> and one by one the several counts against each of the four officers were read by the foreman of the jury and each time the verdict was not guilty, and the hush that had been nervous anticipation turned to silent surprise and then relief for the defendants. after the beating videotaped shocked the world, the officers were found not guilty on every count except the one where no decision was reached. among black leaders who had gathered to watch the verdict today were tears and then a plea for calm in the city. >> almost immediately after that
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moment, a wound opened, erupting into fires, protests and violence in los angeles. more than 60 people were killed and thousands were injured. property damage totaled $1 billion, as fires spread across the county. some business owners formed armed community teams in the absence of a police presence. footage shown in the fantastic documentary "l.a. '92" captured what was described back then as a war zone. >> this number is staggering. i don't know exactly how to tell you this, but 916 structure fires are burning in the los angeles area, 916. >> it looks like a war zone. >> it is a war zone. >> it was a turning point for los angeles and the country, setting off a reckoning that continues today.
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made to do anything so you can do anything. 30 years ago, dj acquitted for whoa. the killing rodney king. six years of fighting ensued, an outcry aimed at police boots already. organizers and members stepped up as they do to find healing
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and often off. >> i'm angry but i'm not mount. a meringue enough to change things. and migraine off the call for change. and months of respect. and demand self empowerment. i'm angry but i'm not mad. >> i do not see on the national coverage of what's happening in ali the truth, i saw black and white. that is not what happened in ali. just simply not agents -- asians and latinos were missing from that picture. and i don't know why this country persists. well i do know, why that's a rhetorical question, doing this. but images that they portray are just not real. >> joining me are the very two people you just saw on those close from 1992. 30 years later, still fighting the good fight. reverend angelo, present with
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the national action network. and most of politicsnation. thank you both. rev, i wanna start with you. what a revenue oh said is true. the picture that we draw this by a picture of this country being black and white. the subtlety was missing, i wanna point you first are the case of latosha heartland. because that was the seed buffoon right bpd was been, it started early which is an issue between black people and korean people. she was a grandma generals that a shock. she was gunshot, your thoughts on the seeding. >> i think that what happened with something that intentionally did not cover. and did not build up to we saw
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that built in the community. a lot of anger. a feeling of this empowerment. and that exploded herself for policeman who are quoted, but even videotaped by a white person those videotaped. because of, how much can we take? we always end up with no justice and no accountability. >> i should know that with was a 15-year-old kid. there was a lot of anger. thanks for much rubbing here, because i think he said in that quote was true. the producer produced the sigmund really pointed out our meeting this morning that green americans and lava voice. they could've gone up daniel and aaron asked people who spoke in the language of them grown part of the community.
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well we spoke korean. didn't seem to be an area. talk about, what is changed enough score in the way that we've covered issues in california? issues like police brutality? >> well, i think a few things about them push in an l.a., a lot of changed. certainly in your profession, you see more people. both in front of the camera, and behind the camera. you see people writing, you see columns published, that's a lot more complex now because we have social media coming into the picture. we have a new generation of ethnic regions that have a different kind of political sensibility. they embrace the complexity. we have internally in the community and understanding that we need to understand the history of this country with regard to race. the legacy of slavery and those who are the generations of
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slaves. and where that went to a national narrative. it is all very relevant. you're catching me on a day when not a dish disha conference here in the state of codifying speaking to the issue of the bridging the courts need to do with community is because we are here to serve the public's interest. and it's very easy to get disconnected from the reality of the suffering the people continue to face, especially now. the economy is there not where we'd like it to be. a social relations of an isolated because of the pandemic. we have a level of politicization. all you have to do is look at the hearings of ketanji brown jackson and how she was treated during the process of her appointment. it was, you know, a situation i thought to myself, years later,
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and why things change, the more things don't change. >> yeah, and revenue red sharpton, it does feel like there's all these interconnected conversation communities of color. again, it's not this binary black or conversation, because you've had all these issues around the vast against asian americans, and whether or not anti black not-so-scrubbed into this conversation instead of dealing with poverty and mental health. are we getting better at talking about race in this country of something beyond just black and white? >> we are getting better, but the question is, can we then come together and change our society is better? let's not forget, that was just a few days ago they did a eulogy in grand rapids michigan for a young man who got called by policeman because you wanted
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to question him about some tax on nascar. i think this was the event that the policeman's name released. this is in the same time that we did see policeman convicted for what they did to george floyd in minneapolis. but they did for dante wright minneapolis. so, we're beginning to see cases where we can win. but the systemic problem is still there. and how we hold felicia countable. and we're beginning to see people understand whether there are black or asian or latino. that they are dealing with white supremacy, and people that feel their superiors all of us that are not white, and how we deal with that and institutional. we must enter those same police ended up going to federal court now you can get 30 is there are a george floyd just as a police again pass. so doing but it doesn't mean arrives. and he goes malcolm x that said,
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you get a six inch knife in my back, we'll get all three inches may look like progress, be still have three inches of 19 my back. >> reverend, you mentioned covid. ironically, george holiday, the man who filmed the video, the rodney king meeting, and he died of covid. he was vaccinated, i don't bring on ventilator. four asian reckons in this country, how does the conversation change? do you think, in these past 30 years, we have as you said, smart visibility. we will solve issues that gonna say they make it that some of the newscast. we saw what happened in atlanta to young asian american women. do you think we've changed enough since 92? >> well, life is a constant unfolding. and for asian americans, we're still a very small segment of the total population in this country. and within that very small segment, which is still single digit, we have a great deal of
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diversity. so we not only have the issues around not being white but, we also have the issues of migration, immigration, anti morgan sentiment. we all saw cost difference. well saw the differences that have to do with our ancestry at odds. those are gonna work themselves through. and, like i, said the word is complexity. >> i've gotta go, i mentor chris ayes our. i wanna thank you. that is the readout tonight, chris say starts now. >> is the readout tonight on all in -- >> we're seeing this drip campaign. >> i republican congressman under fire. >> they're gonna drop in the top article every one or two days just to try to close with a death by thousand cuts. >> tonight, a new barrage of salacious charges against


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