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from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome everyone to alex witt in new york. also 9 pm in moscow we begin with breaking news on this the 66th day of war in ukraine. nbc news has confirmed a
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dramatic moves in mariupol, after weeks of being bombarded by russian forces some civilians have been allowed to meet to leave that, the plant there, in that city. and a celebrity on a humanitarian mission. a coffee shop in the, today, we'll get the latest from nbc news correspondent, but yes that is angelina jolie. russia is intensifying attacks in the donbas region. ukrainian forces striking at russian armored military convoys. u.s. and british intelligence agencies both say russia's progress has been slowed, while the u.s. is speeding up dozens of shipments of weapons and supplies expected to arrive in europe today as we give you videos of howitzer missiles and protective gear being loaded onto military transport planes. they were flying out of dover,
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delaware. also today, president zelenskyy says there is a risk peace talks could end because of public anger over alleged war crimes. while russian minister says that nato is interfering in a settlement. he says that 1 million people have been evacuated from ukraine to russia, but a ukrainian mayor says they're being evacuated against their will. russian soldiers regularly kidnapped somebody, kidnapped activists businessman now they totally kidnapped civilian citizens. >> joining us now nbc's matt bradley in southeastern european, and nbc's ron allen in london. welcome to both to. we'll go first to ukraine and the evacuation of the steel plant. at least on a small scale, at this point. what are you hearing from
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officials, map? >> i've gotta tell you alex, we're coming to you from inside a hotel room. we are observing the blackout and curfew that's in place throughout ukraine. and here, where i am in zaporizhzhia, we're i.m. it starts at 9 pm. that's why it's such a nondescript location. i spoke with a fire who's actually holdup amongst hundreds of soldiers and civilians, dozens of children's, he estimated. he confirmed that news that there were something like 20 civilians that were allowed to leave that plant. it was done under the auspices of the international red cross, red crescent, and the united nations. we heard earlier from the russian state news agency that that were 25 people. and more than a dozen of them were people. or excuse me, six of them were children. we don't know exactly how many there were. we don't know, for sure,
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whether this was done by the united nations. it was certainly done with coordination, with a lot of different people. some of them active combatants in this extended siege of that huge plant in the center of the city, on the southeastern coast. really only a couple hours drive from where i am, right now. elsewhere in ukraine, we started to see a sighting of a major celebrity. and ali jolly. you know it's a major humanitarian crisis, when angelina jolie comes into town. she was working as a unicef goodwill ambassador. she has since, through the span of her career, especially been promoted as someone who's essentially an international diplomat. she's here, as we understand, in lviv, in the western part of the country. to help bring awareness to children and refugees of which there are now many, in this country. i want to go back to the steel plant where we've been hearing
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from fighters. we heard about that glimmer of hope, those people that were allowed today. the details, of course, are still hazy. there is a sense of determination that i got when i interviewed this young soldier. here's what he had to say, to me. >> it's unacceptable. the only way to stay alive and win, is to fight. if you're surrendering, you are covering yourself and shame. it's unacceptable for us. we have our orders. our commander gave us orders -- to surrender we're not going to do this. >> real defiance and grit from that besieged feel plant. i asked him, about surrendering, that was the answer he gave me. i also asked him, you're hearing about surrendering, and how shameful it would be to walk out of that plant and give
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yourself up to the russian officials, and russian military who was surrounding him. i said, you're talking about the shame, surrounding such a move like that. what do you thinking inside you're head? he said inside his skull, in his thoughts, he still thinks he will never surrender. my impression is that this is a group of hundreds of fighters that will go down fighting to the death. >> gosh, their bravery, their courage is remarkable. thank you very much for that matt bradley. >> joining me now the member of parliament in ukraine. madam mp, tell me what you are hearing about those developments that we were just discussing with math in mariupol. do you see it as a sign of hope there? >> alex thank you so much for happening for having me. it's very hard, we're talking about mariupol. because we had at least 20 attempts to get civilians out the besieged city. to get them out from almost
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certain death to a way of life -- we have tried different ways. president macron and boris johnson tried to talk to putin and agreed to let people out. however, there was no cease fire. general secretary of the united nations, with mr. gutierrez was in kyiv two days ago, and in moscow three days ago and also try to get the russians to cease fire. still no results. we will not stop trying. we will try to get our people out. we know that our people would be fighting, and they will not give up. but we know also that we do need to do everything possible, and impossible, to get people who are not involved in the fighting -- women and children, and elderly, and men who are not fighting. to get them out because the situation there, in mariupol,
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has been terrifying. it's been terrifying for months. can you imagine how people who used to leave a normal life right now, trying to survive in the cities that are 95% rubble? no food, no water, how they're surviving their, i cannot even imagine. nobody can imagine the way that they're trying to just save their own lives, and their loved ones. just sav >> i completely agree, it's been horrifying to witness and chronicle here in the news but these people must be going through. let me ask you though, if this report that we've gotten. first of all it was russian state c tv that said 25 civilians had left the steel plant there. that fighter with whom matt bradley spoke said it was 20. little discrepancy there. but how in the world would they be able to leave? if they're all hold up their, being bombed by the russians, you've gotta think russians are
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keeping an eye on -- them is it encouraging that there may be some level of un humanitarian corridor, or support that is getting at least those few out today? is that a good sign? >> so, let's make sure that people get to safety we will be able to confirm it. the most important point is right now, not to harm anybody with the information that we would be sharing without their knowledge. so if there is a small chance that we are able to get people out, then i would believe that god exists and he's helping. because there were questions about that. questions i do not understand why it is my country has to suffer of this. >> we're asking that question. with the top ukraine peace
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negotiator who used the word karma in reference to series of mysterious explosions in russian provinces that were near the ukrainian border. ukraine has not claimed responsibility, we have any new information on what exactly happened? >> so, from our side, we cannot confirm nor deny that we have anything to do with those explosions. but yes, i think having them -- oil storage is exploded -- seems to be karma, i unfortunately cannot confirm that it was from the ukrainian side. >> let me ask about the u.s. embassy, established here in kyiv which tweeted that russia is holding ukrainians in filtration camps. russia said it evacuated more than 1 million people from
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ukraine into russia. give me a sense of what's really happening to those people? >> if we're talking about the sieged city of mariupol, and temporary occupied territories, everyone would understand that people do not deliberately live, leave their territories for russia. if russia is known -- it's their known strategy that they're taking people and relocating them into the eastern territories for so-called exchange pool. this is why they're doing to be able to exchange our civilians for captured russian soldiers live in doing it since day one. right now they're doing it in messy ways because they're trying to establish referendums on the occupied territories. from that they need less and less people, on these territories. who will be protesting and who will be going against russia.
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it's also, we're getting close to may 9th's. it's victory day that post soviet countries used to celebrate since the second world war. it's an important date. russia is pushing towards, to be able to have referendums and claim that there is a new republic established, or to take over more and more land. more and more territories. to be able to sell something to the citizens as victory. on victory day we want to have a parade. will victory they be held with the rubles of mariupol, on previously occupied territories, we don't know, but we will be pushing back to make sure their plans don't come true. >> it's going to be a very difficult 90s ahead, then. let me ask you then, what do you think the prospects are for peace?
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so the thing that we talked about before, the example of not being able to get russia to cease-fire in mariupol, and get civilians out, gives you the answer on what are the prospects of peace. right now there's nothing that we can get an agreement with russia for. there's no way to make sure that russia will execute on this agreement. no way it all even if they're saying yes on the ground, they're saying now. even if putin promises something to macron, or the general secretary of the united nations, the generals are saying oh, we didn't receive this order. as a country that's been in war with russia for the last eight years, i can tell you, until there is a force in the world that can push russia from doing something, before that there is no talking to them. there is no peace agreement.
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they only understand one language. it's the language of power. it's the words of force. other than that, they just ignore all the international less. all the security international law. all he has hospitality lives. because they don't care, putin does not care. so now in negotiations -- they should start with this particular, one point. get our people out of the besieged city of mariupol. when this happens, then i would believe that there is some peace agreement possible. right now, they cannot agree with us on this smartest things. minor things, in terms of all the jew political game, right now going on. >> i have a lot of admiration for you and your approaching all of this, i hope to see you again, very soon, stay safe. >> a new warning from the eu threatening legal action against company that allow their companies from paying for their gas in rubles. this came as russia cut off gas
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to poland and -- for refusing to pay in rubles. let's go to ron allen joining us from london. let's talk about the penalties that these eu countries face. how does the situation impact the likelihood of it oil embargoed? >> it's kind of complicated, alex, this is all about the russians trying to overcome the sanctions that the united states and the eu have imposed on them. that's why they're acting for payment for gas in rubles, because it helps the russian economy. gives them some relief from the sanctions. the problem is there are 27 eu companies. they each have their own agendas. they've been trying to speak in one voice and stand together on issues like the sanctions. so, this russians come off gas ailes to two countries, and threatening to do more. that's basically where the lines are drawn here. in terms of penalties, we're
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talking about various state run, in some cases private energy companies. so many different countries. it gets very complicated as to what's happening. the bottom line is, the united states and the eu want to stay together on this. on sanctions. there's a graph here that will show you that the eu imports about 41% of its natural gas from russia, and they're going to -- lure threatening states that don't adhere to this rule of not paying for gas in rubles. this rule of here's what's the president of the eu commission, and the president united states said about russia using gas as a weapon, take a listen. >> it comes as no surprise that the kremlin uses fossil fuels to try to blackmail us. it comes as something that the european commission has been preparing for in close coordination and solidarity with member states and international partners.
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>> this action proves that -- energy is a weapon used to deploy against those that standards their aggression. >> on the issue of gas, those countries say that they have supplies, they have storage capacity, and in some cases the contracts for russian gas are going to expire by the end of the year. the eu has been trying to move away from a dependency on fossil fuels from russia. that pace is accelerating, now, because of this. in terms of the oil embargo, the oil industry of russia is much bigger than the gas industry. it's therefore more complicated to get these 27 eu countries to get on the same page about an embargo. but there's a discussion of embargo. it would hurt russia. but across these countries -- there's this tug of war back and forth. energy poker, as it's been called. that's where we are on this front in the war. >> that's a really good way to put it, okay ron allen, thank
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you so much for all that. >> the tale of the tax and how it's coming back to what congressman marjorie taylor greene in a very big way. greene in a very big way
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of congress are hitting the campaign trail in ohio's competitive senate primary. matt gates and marjorie taylor greene join jamie vance today, vance ahead in the polls after receiving trump's backing. let's go to nbc's reporter, joining us in ohio. i know voting is a few days away but what are you hearing about how much trump's backing means to voters there? >> alex, that is the question. if donald trump's reputation is on the line with the senate primary. we have met voters who are not sure where they are going to vote for yet. they are people who support former president. this is not a matter of people not liking trump and trying to figure out who to vote for, at least on some level.
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multiple campaigns have told, us and there are polls reflecting this, reflecting the idea that there are a lot of undecided voters out there. that these campaigns are still vied for. even after he endorsed advanced, we see mandel doubling down on the former presidents. those two campaigns seem to be leading the pack. it's a horse race down to the line. vance seems to get a huge boost after the former president endorsed him, but mondale sticking by the pro trump message. it says it in his ads, pro trump's onscreen in his advertisements that he's putting. at the same time we have jon vance campaigns, with the endorsement. today, marjorie taylor greene and matt gates, we asked them, what does this race need for the broader picture? i asked that yesterday to, and ted cruz, he said there's a lot of unity in the gop. but here is what i heard from
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representative matt gates when we asked him about this earlier today. >> if j.d. vance is not successful annexed request does that say about the cloud of donald trump? >> we don't want a circumstance where the establishment can claim they defeated trump. so trump's brand is on the line, the mug up brand is on the line, and we could not be prouder that j.d. vance is the standard for our movement. >> so that is how this is being framed by those who are standing by j.d. vance. and we have multiple candidates, still trying to pose as the trump candidate. voters are having to decide, we have people undecided at this point, at least one woman who says she's a trump supporter, who said it's not about fealty to the former president, she wants to hear about what the candidates are saying on the issues. and we've heard that from both vance and mandel. >> that's great, thank you for the report. new report about a text message that is casting doubt on marjorie taylor greene. and her claims that she did not
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recall discussing martial law with donald trump's chief of staff mark meadows. in the text obtained by cnn, green appears to be telling meadows that some gop lawmakers were saying, then president trump should use martial law to stop joe biden from becoming president. last, week she testified under oath, she did not recall the conversation. there is day, she doubled down. >> they said those are my text messages, they say that i wasn't calling for, that actually said that something i don't know know about. i don't recall ever advocating for martial law. if that is my text messages, and that's with the reporting, i don't recall if they are, but if they are those text messages do not say calling for martial law. >> yeah, it just says -- >> well, joining me now is jessica levinson, attorney, professor at loyola law school and columnist for msnbc daily. jessica, good to see, you before i get into marjorie taylor greene, i want to get
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your reaction to a major development in new york, with that manhattan grand jury wrapping its term with no indictment of the former presidents businesses. does that mean the da investigation is over? could things still percolate long? what do we know about this. >> they could percolate along, but i think they're winding down. and it's something that we've always known. they're looking into basically a very complex set of facts, that boiled down to donald trump and the trump organization lie and inflate the value of properties in order to get favorable loans. and then they lie and deflate the value of property and holdings in order to get favorable tax treatment? it's really difficult to tie president trump to those particular alleged crimes. and it's difficult to show the type of financial fraud in any case, but particularly when we have something like former president trump really doesn't use computers, text messages,
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or there's no paper trail. we also know that reporting has been -- there's a split in the da's office, some people wanted to go forward. it looks like when the administration changed, other people didn't want, to all a way of saying that we suspect we will not seek criminal charges outside the da's office. we still need to look at the ag. the ag has a parallel investigation. they are looking at whether or not the same set of facts quickly lie to civil liability. >> let me ask you, does that mean that trump's playbook, don't talk, don't cooperate, stall, stall, stall, does that mean it's worked? >> it has worked a number of times. politically and legally. in this case, i think we have to note something else that happened recently which is that the new york judge said that we are holding president trump in contempt of court, based on the tactics that you just described. that was with respect to that parallel investigation by the
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attorney general, the new york attorney general. and i know that it is kind of giving getting a monster for tax fraud, but it's a judge saying, you don't get to act like this in a court of law. and it's a judge, saying you don't get to undermine the fabric of our criminal justice system. there will be repercussions. i don't think those will be from the da's office though. >> i think it brought down all components i remember correctly, but let's move on. marjorie taylor greene facing a lawsuit of voter eligibility for reelection. she's alleging, rather, this is alleging that she helped facilitate the riot. so, this text message, could this be any kind of a smoking gun in this case? >> i don't think so, this is another case where it's difficult to tie the actions of someone, and draw a line that is tied enough to the alleged crime. in this, case marjorie taylor greene, as you reported in the introduction, said i don't remember more than 50 times
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during the day. in administrative, law judge said during this hearing, this is about trying to make sure that she can't appear on the next election ballot, then it's hard to see the actions that she, took the words that she said, it's hard to draw a strong enough line to the insurrection and in the capital, and then to saying that it falls within the civil war era provision of the 14th amendment. which says, if you support an insurrection, if you try and overthrow the government at a basic level, then you shouldn't be part of the government. so i think this is going to be a very difficult challenge, i don't think the text messages are a smoking guns, other than to say really didn't remember talking about martial law with the chief of staff? >> and let, me as i wrap, up i love the way you voted in your article, you said, her test defecation was jaw clenching lee -- amnesia -- statement in your words and
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we're following right now. dozens of buildings were damaged after a tornado ripped through the wichita kansas areas last night the mayor said more than 100 homes and businesses were hit. at least 14 tornadoes were reported in both nebraska, and kansas. former president trump will be still on the hook for a fine $10,000 a day, after a new york judge requested rejected his appeal to lift the fee. -- and you see d.c. report said covid is not related to a spike in hepatitis among children. nine children in alabama, more than a dozen other states have been diagnosed with the illness.
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at least one child has died. doctor looking into whether a prior infection could be related. >> now to covid rather, a new article that may hit home for many. are we in the middle of a invisible covid wave. joining me now is associate professor of anesthesiology and critical care medicine, welcome back to the doctor, it's good to see you. this atlantic article talks about three things. the number of ba.2 cases are on the rise. ba.2 the offshoot of omicron that's on the rise here in the u.s.. it's also saying that the -- doesn't officially get recorded in the case counts. plus, there's an awful lot of pandemic fatigue. what's your assessment of things? >> i completely agree with that article. in addition i'd like to add that we now have a four, and five that are coming out of south africa. we now have cases in the united states of america. that variant is more contagious
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than the ba.2 variant. one of the key points, being in south africa, 90% of the population has been -- we're thinking about that variant being able to evade that. we have a serious problem -- in 2020 we did not have vaccines in the first place, unfortunately we did not have the that can't, we're seeing hospitalizations increase, if you look at january in february, the vaccinated made up 42% of who died from covid, in january and february. this is a real problem. i really feel like the cdc and the white house -- we need to make definitive statements. this is not the time to take off your masks. we know those cases are in the increase. the ba for, and be a five will be the dominant variant, i have no doubt in the next two weeks. >> we hear fauci saying he believes the pandemic phase of
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the virus is over. he says, quote, the u.s. is in a transitional stage into hopefully more control phase and and embassy. do you agree with that? >> i don't, unfortunately we cannot, we've never been ahead of covid. we can't say we're out of the pandemic phase. we have to wait and see, particularly, again, the reason why we get these new variance is because one, they poor uptick of vaccines, not only in the united states of america, but globally. 15% of countries have only had one dose per person. we also have the pandemic fatigue, we are now corporations and persons alike are dictating which should be public health measure policy. that includes wearing those masks in these types, contained spaces. on airlines, restaurants, try to mitigate as much as possible the spread. and hospitalizations have
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started to increase. that means we are right behind the eight ball. we need to start preparing for this, we now have to play catch up, and unfortunately, like i said we will see deaths that follow this. unfortunately, before mother's day, we will have 1 million americans dead from covid-19. women, men, children alike. that does not have to happen. in the same rate, and were two and a half years into this. we're starting to be real with public. start telling the truth, be honest about the fact. it's about being prepared. >> this be a four and be a five, these variants, what concerns me most about them? how extensive is their presence already in the u.s.? >> i've heard of at least ten cases in the united states of america. we know that the ba.2, quickly took over be a one within a few weeks after it was found here. the thing that troubles me the most, is that south africa has
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such a high vaccination, and previous exposure to covid -- in the united states of the america were stuck at about 65% of the population being vaccinated, 30% being boosted. i think we should change the definition of fully vaccinated means. we need to get boosted to be -- there is a likelihood that people getting that fourth booster is even smaller. we're playing a very tricky game with that virus. in an area where it's showing that it's able to evade the system. until we start doing those practices, wearing those masks, truly teaching the public what's health literacy means around virology, how variants are formed, to understand that it's really a life and death game, as long as we have allow this to circulate around the globe, will be in serious trouble. having congress fund those
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vaccines, funded's research dollars and corresponding research options, because at this point we're still far behind in this pandemic. >> sobering and cautioning conversation, thank you so much for making us aware. it is a phenomenon you might not have heard about since elon musk said he was buying twitter. but it's real, and you may be able to relate to it. we'll tell you about it, next. we'll tell you about it, ♪ could lead to growing trees. ♪
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twitter as hundreds of thousands of users close their accounts in the wake of elon musk's 44 billion dollar takeover. the exodus has led to a massive drop in followers from left leaning politicians and celebrities, such as barack and michelle obama, but followers from prominent right-wing figures have seen huge uptick 's. this come as twitter users worry that free speech flows will lead to policies with more harassment and division. joining me to dissect us is eric, critic and npr. although musk has not officially announced any official changes to twitter when he gains control, he has criticized past moderation decisions. some concerns that musk doesn't appear to understand the issues that twitter will face if he drops its guardrails around speech. do you have any sense of his intentions when he takes controls? and what happens without
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guardrails. >> it's hard to know exactly what he's gonna do because his tweaks about what he thinks the problems are, particularly regarding free speech and content moderation in twitter, could be vague. he says he wants to follow the law but it's hard to know what he means when he says that. and in particular, people who are experts on social media, will say that the issues are much more complex than that. and if you allow all kinds of speech that is legally allowed, you may wind up opening the floodgates to a level of toxicity and aggressive sort of content, you know, racist and sexist content that will actually hamper twitter. >> you are 100 percent right. this is something he said this week was that twitter has to be politically neutral. how are you going to do that?
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recently right wing influencers, let's take marjorie taylor greene, ted cruz, they have seen large spikes in followers. the left-wing figures, barack obama, katy perry -- by the way number one and number three most followed twitter counts -- they lost thousands of followers. what does that suggest about where twitter is heading? >> you know, i'd be careful about seeing everything in a political lens. i think one of the problems with this debate is that it is taking issues that are about abuse and curbing negative toxic behaviors, curbing trolls, curbing hackers, and placing this political veneer over it. so it is hard to, you know, for conservatives, they are saying -- and musk is saying that conservatives have seen their speech hampered by the rules that twitter has enacted. but i think people on the other side of the equation, not
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necessarily liberals but just people who don't agree with mosque, those necessary rules are good for curbing toxic and damaging behavior regardless of who is doing it. i think when you have this discussion rooted in politics, it can lead you to avoid realities of the situation. and you must see the facts and the data, you know, as experts have been trying to present to elon musk, by answering his tweets with actual facts. >> so, eric, mosques concept of free speech seems broadly in line with a more right-wing and conservative approach, which essentially argues, social media companies shouldn't ban people for things considered inappropriate or hate speech. is that your reading on his take on free speech or do you think he is trying to say something different? >> again, it is hard to know what they mean because if you look at social media spaces that are controlled by conservatives, like getter or
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parlor, there's certain kinds of speech that is banned or on twitter. disinformation around covid, for example, or disinformation about the results of the last presidential election, that they allow, what's and there's other kinds of speech that they don't allow. so it's hard to know what he means when he says that he wants a level of free speech that is equal to the law. and i think people are suspicious of is what he is intending, is to allow that certain kinds of disinformation, that fits his political worldview, to flourish, while curbing other kinds of messaging that maybe counter to what he believes. and particularly, if it is a private company, people are wondering how much agency we'll have to stop him from doing that. >> how likely do you think it is musk reinstating accounts from people banned from twitter? let's start with trump. >> well, you know, again, i think white people and experts
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are saying is that it is not quite so easy as flipping a switch and letting donald trump back on the surface. in part because mascara's are really important mission. he's gotten funding from banks. he says he can improve twitters ability. profitability. he says he can make them a better company. if you have a situation where you see donald trump, he's tweeted a lot of information and disinformation when he was on twitter, if you allow that level of disinformation when you flood the surface advertisers, will they want to be involved? will they want their brand names to be risked in this new and perhaps toxic environment? and if they say no, does that make it harder for twitter to make a profit? i think, ultimately, elon musk may find that he has a few obstacles. number one how will the current leadership to twitter respond
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to whatever he needs to do? and number two, how will the profitability of twitter be affected about whatever he does? and the third thing that people have brought up is that he's leveraged his own stock in tesla, in order to get this funding. this is a downturn and does this affect tesla stock? how do tesla stockholders feel about this? this is a much more complex situation then musk deciding to take control and change everything. i think, more than anything, musk is enjoying a lot of the attention he's getting now. and i think we may find out the reality of his twitter is very different than, you, know all of the bravado that he is unleashing online now to get attention. >> for the record, i've enjoyed this conversation, here eric dragons, i enjoy all of our conversations. we will see you soon. my next guest made history when
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new on capitol hill. dozens of house republicans want to force a vote on legislation banning -- the protection of women in sports act and has been held up in the house since has been introduced in january from last year. joining me now is danica brown, other of the book of turning the page, it's a story of igniting change.
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dana, glad to have you in this bra because. you're a great writer, these very entertaining. especially that one story about the corona beer on the sidewalk in copenhagen. i got a good laugh. people have to read it to pirouette him talking about. let me first ask you, your reaction to this. the petition now has 62 signatures, including lawmakers from your state of virginia. and you write candidly about your experience playing sports. you describe yourself as a classic case trans kid. what kind of impact could this bill have on lgbt youth? >> the first thing is it tells the lgbt youth that the very people elected to serve them are stigmatizing them. the fact of the matter is if you're a politician who attacks your constituents, especially your most vulnerable constituents, like trans kids, then you shouldn't be a politician anymore. we need people who are gonna step up, run for office, and see those folks, like i did in
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2017. here's the funny thing, we can actually be successful. for those politicians who keep singling out and stigmatizing trans kids, you might just end up losing to one of them, one day. so i would strongly tell them to -- taking care of water infrastructure, working on helping the environment, pay races for teachers, for example, the things people actually need. >> i'm gonna get here 2017 victory for a second, here. i'm curious what inspired you didn't tell your story. what were your emotions of both writing, and senior accomplishment of getting it in print? >> part of it is the title itself, the whole point is to encourage people to burn and get rid of the stories that you don't want to be in anymore. set your own narrative, own your own story. and empower you to share your story with other folks. as we go through burn the page,
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we start each one about an attack on, me a bad headline, an editorial. we're all human at the end of the day. all of us have our worst, all of us have our flask. for me when we launched our first campaign as an out, reporter metal head, vegetarian, that wasn't the case for -- let alone when you're unemployed and driving a 324 92 dad shadow, like i was doing. at the same time, amongst all of that we put together not only a winning campaign, but we did it by telling authentic stories. listening to wet my constituents had to say, and what they were asking for. like, why on earth was my predecessor leaving 3700 can constituents uninsured when he voted against medicare expansion in 2017. and what happened on may 20th, i voted on medicaid expansion. now more than 650,000
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virginians are enrolled in quality, affordable health insurance, and not being led undeterred during a global pandemic. i was uninsured for two and a half years. i've known that life. i've talked about it on burning the page. we should do better than this. my -- the way you just described everything right there, that's exactly the way you're right. it's a great read, your personality, your humor, your intent it all comes through. when i found very interesting is that you looked at all that research that you talked about, and quickly -- but was that like to focus on that, and have an answer to that when you decided to run the campaign? >> right, for me it was all about flipping the script. knowing fully well as an l trans women, i was gonna be attacked. i was gonna be attacked for being and a heavy metal band for 12 years. it was part of my story, i decided let's get out in front
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of everything. let's own it, let's be myself. i don't know any other way to be in this point of my life. i spent the better part of three decades, closeted. i don't want people to have to run inauthentic campaigns. even outside of politics, even outside of government, i want people to be able to -- be who you are and be that well. i always add to that, you should be able to thrive because of who you are, not despite it. not for wet discriminatory politicians tell you you're supposed to. be >> there you have it, it's what you read about in the book. you said -- here it is everybody, burn the page. danica, thank you so much, it's good to see you. good for you, thank you. that's gonna do it for me on this edition of alex witt reports. oh see you tomorrow. we continue our coverage. ee you tomorrow. we continue our
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