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menendez, this hour, the plot thickens. new evidence revealing even more bad actors in the lead up to the january six riot. as this committee cares to take their work public. also ahead, breaking news from ukraine, evacuations from civilians in mariupol as russia ramps up its attacks on donbas. where is the fight go next? actress angelina jolie hits the ground on ukraine would have the united nations new reporting on what the hollywood icon is there for. vigilante nation, oklahoma becoming texas two point oh, passing its own abortion ban. plus, the gop weaponizing
immigration, the new memo from republicans laying out how the party plans these lies about immigrants to defeat democrats. this is american voices. we begin tonight with the investigation into last year's authentic coup. there are new signs that the effort to subvert democracy infiltrated nearly every avenue of american politics. today, representatives matt gates and marjorie taylor greene, were out in ohio, backings trump senate candidate, j.d. vance. today's tour, titled the no bs for, interesting considering all we know about congressman greene in recent days. she texted trump's chief us that about invoking martial law. it doubles down on interview requests to republican lawmakers. committee chair, benny thompson, is inviting sitting senators to testify for the first time.
they sent the second round of letters to the gop members of the house, including minority leader, kevin mccarthy. new reporting for the guardian shows that the 16 committee is getting more aggressive, considering harsher methods to get answers. once reluctant to pursue pc subpoenas of members of congress, that mood is changing. >> we are talking about members of congress getting reached out to. the list will get longer. the constituents of those people will want to know, if they were amongst people who essentially tried to orchestrate a coup. marjorie taylor greene reaches out and says, hey mark meadows, just letting you know that there are a few members of congress, we were sitting around thinking about implementing martial law. who are those other members of congress. don't you think the constituents want to know that they were involved in. >> the committee also speaking to our and see staffers who use claims of a stolen election to fund-raise. the goal, according to politico,
is whether it contributed to the tactical -- then there is fox news. newly-uncovered text messages showing network coast scheming with trump's cheapest f. the messages obtained by cnn, sean hannity asked meadows on election day, how could he be of help? meadows responded, every vote matters, get it out on radio. handed these response, yes sir. hannity later telling that biden's win was mathematically impossible. the messages show hannity urge of no more stolen election talk. there responded to these text by saying i am not a journalist. that is certainly true. all of this, however, reinforcing the reality of what it takes to be a trump republican. remember, house minority leader, kevin mccarthy, was caught on tape, telling liz cheney, that
he would suggest to trump that he should resign. of course, that never happened. his plans the one day become speaker is up in the air. on one hand, we have a push elias, prevaricating and somewhat feeblemindedly it or who caused trump, but if these tapes ultimately take mccarthy out of the running for the house gop leader, we may be left with something entirely worse. so much to think through. joining us to help us do it is nbc digital justice reporter, ryan j. reilley and former watergate prosecutor, jill wine banks, a host of the sisters in law podcasts. joe, as i understand it, no establishment precedent from congressional powers to subpoena members of congress. your sense on how this will play out. >> it seems to me that any citizen of the united states, which would include members of congress, has an obligation to respond to legitimate, legal
subpoenas. the subpoenas from congress are perfectly enforceable. they should be enforced. i hope we do not need to issue subpoenas, that they would come in to cooperate based on letter request. if the, i hope that they will be enforced and that the department of justice will take that seriously. they will enforce any type of contempt for their failure to respond at all. >> brian, we talked a lot about house members that may come before the committee. people's ears perked up this week that they may also be sitting senators in that mix. of course, the 16 committee -- do you have any sense of who it is that they want to hear from? >> there are some usual suspects there, but there is talk of so many people within the course of this investigation. this is where the 16 committee is really important, the doj and fbi cannot go hunting
around members of congress. that will throw up a whole bunch of constitutional issues. that is a part of the investigation that i think is really dependent on the general six committee, as opposed to people that actually stormed the building and assaulted police officers, who will be held accountable to the justice department. that prosperous will take a very long time. the january six committee could open a lot of doors for the fbi and doj as their process continues opening up, opening up new information of things that they could not necessarily follow from a criminal threat unnaturally. it could be useful for these ongoing doj and fbi investigations. >> jill, we spoke to adam consider about public hearings in june, take a listen. >> there is a lot of information that we are gathering. when we put that through to the american people, when we put that in a narrative form, a,
this is why it's a danger, be, this is why it happened. it goes to show why there are a lot of americans that want to know about it. what is most concerning to me is about what happened that day, it was bad. but what were the conditions that led to this, and how do we fix this? because i don't think we have. >> joe, which gaps do you hope these hearings will begin to fill in for people, whether they've been paying close attention or not, need to understand it in broader context? >> actually, alicia, that is a great question. there are two different kinds of gaps. one of them is gaps of american people knowledge. even if you follow things closely, it has dribbled out overtime. seeing it packaged in a chronological sequence that makes a compelling case, that is very important. it can make a big difference in our understanding of how close we came to losing democracy. the other gap is, congress can
then point to the laws that have allowed something to happen where there has not been accountability. it is not quite a legal. it is awful, but he's not prosecutable. i think that is important. i think the electoral college act is clearly a threat to our democracy and needs to be fixed. that is one of the first things that congress needs to attend to. there are other laws as well, even things like the insurrection act an emergency powers act. all those things need to have guardrails put on because when you have evidence that there was at least some consideration at the white house, among the president and maybe involving all of his top aides, that is a danger that we cannot afford to have. i want to see those things, those gaps, fixed. >> ryan, i want to make sure we get to your reporting. marjorie taylor greene's attorneys claiming that she was a victim of january six. can you talk us through the
reporting of how gender, specifically, has factored into other capitol riot cases? >> i wrote about a report that some -- it looked at how some of essentially, these female defendants were using the roles as mothers to get lesser sentences. it is interesting because there is a significant population of women who are accused of saying pretty vital things on january six. juxtapose that to coming at the court and being held accountable, and there is a huge gap between what their rhetoric is and what they are claiming on the stand. all that downplays their action, the rhetoric and make themselves out to be not so much of a threat. it is interesting how women and female defendants are using the gender to gain an advantage here. to a certain extent, they have found lesser sentences compared to their male suspects. >> ryan and jill, thank you so
much are getting us started. coming up next, breaking news from ukraine, civilian evacuations from the house ruins a merry-able, as russian ramped up attacks in the donbas region. and american a lister on the ground in ukraine. angelina jolie visiting the chinese victims of the war. plus, we will go to the front lines of another war by republicans in states like texas. oklahoma waging against reproductive care and trans kids. later, the federal plan to fight wildfires before they can wipe whole towns off the map, how to techniques can help firefighters and the american last out of the blazes this wildfire season. out of the blazes and this is the sound of better breathing. wildfire season. fasenra is a different kind of asthma medication. it's not a steroid or inhaler. fasenra is an add-on treatment for asthma driven by eosinophils.
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julie took time to take pictures and hear their stories. human refugee agency making clear that julie is there in her own personal capacity. her visit comes as russia hopes to control southeastern ukraine hits more stags. russian troops facing setback after setback thanks to nonstop relentless offense by ukrainian forces. help in their fight, new heavy weapons into ukraine by the west. russia far from giving up, intensifying attacks in the donbas region, still working to gain control of the poor city of mariupol, where about 100,000 ukrainians remain trapped. a number of them are seeking shelter in a soviet era steel plant. the u.s. is leading evacuations today to get those people to safety. let's get to the ground in ukraine, and bc's cal perry is in ukraine tracking the developments. it is good to see you, the latest evacuation efforts variable, what have you heard? >> there was a bit of success today. for the first time, really, in
a month, where we saw this steel plant, the place where people had hunkered down, 20 civilians able to be extracted from that site today. again, today, ukrainians tell us that this was done by the international red cross. russians, for their own propaganda, are saying that they allow this transfer both sides using the information for propaganda purposes. the situation on the ground remains dire. there are at least 600 civilians wounded in and around the site. there are 600 ukrainian marines wounded around the site. the video on the right side of the screen shows how fierce the fighting is, how difficult it is to carry out any rescue operations, how difficult is for any civilian to get out. these 20 civilians by our count are the first to get out in some weeks. the fighting continues in the eastern part of the country in the next. there was shelling in 30 separate buildings, killing four people, winning another eight, just another indication of this war, if nothing else,
is actually widening. >> cal, you are in kyiv where some residents had their homes destroyed by russian airstrikes earlier this week. you've got the chance this because of this residence earlier today. your sense on how they are coping? >> it was about 36 hours ago. it had broken what was a ten-day period of calm here in the capital. look, interesting enough, on the back of the visit by angelina jolie, the united nations said that 7.1 million people were internally displaced. 57% of them are trying to make their way back to their homes, coming into contact with active combat zones. i had a chance to speak to a young lady whose apartment was destroyed in that rocket attack. here's part of what she told us. >> will i do, and what my team does, we just focus on working. we load ourselves with work, not to read the news 24/7, and not to be involved in the more all the time. otherwise, we will just go
crazy. >> you try to tune it out? >> absolutely, and do something useful. >> and the wider capital area, more discoveries being made as, of course, this was the place where russian troops stood up and were stopped. there were russian soldiers, believe it or not, discovered in armored vehicles, hiding for weeks. there was a gruesome discovery, one of many gruesome discoveries, another great found, this one with at least bodies inside of it. alicia, government officials telling us that those body show signs of torture, just a further indication of the atrocities that were carried out with the russians in this area. >> gruesome, indeed cal perry, joining us from ukraine. putin's war leaving some russian americans estranged from the russian identity. russian anastasia edel wrote about this in the los angeles times. it doesn't matter how strongly we have opposed to putin's regime or how long ago we left. we know that there's no return
to our prewar selves. our identities have to be rebuilt. i'm not sure who i will be when i start sifting through the rubble. >> anesthetist that's to join me from los angeles. she's the author of brushes putin's playground and a lecturer at -- tell me more about how this idea is impacting you and other russian americans. >> alicia, this war has been completely devastating for me, the last two months as i wrote my piece, it feels like i am sleepwalking. it is devastating on many levels. first of all, you are shocked that the atrocity of such level can actually happen in the 21st century. then you go down a little bit and realize that atrocity is really engineered by the people with whom you share a language, and in my case, years of shared
past. you cannot get rid of this feeling of deception, that what you believed about the country that birth you and a certain elements of the culture that you took with due to this new country mine, america, that i thought them it has all been a lie. i was brought up with the belief that russian people did not want war. they do not attack. they only defend themselves. that is not what we are seeing. we really cannot get rid of this sense of deception. a lot of times, it feels like you are present at your own funeral, almost. in my case, i am also a mother. i made a conscious choice to impart the language and certain elements of the russian culture that i thought were good to my children. i was teaching them what i thought was the language of --
one of my left with now? of course, you do not compare your own torment to with the people in ukraine are going through, but in their case, there are certain moral clarity's that come with being in a war and on the right side, defending their land. as somebody born in russia, i'm russian is my second language now, you cannot have that moral clarity. i understand that what russia is doing is wrong, but i also feel in some way implicated in this. i think this would be the burden that i would have to carry with me for the rest of my life. >> you talk though about the possibility of identities being rebuilt. i wonder what you imagine that could look like. >> alicia, this is a question that i keep asking myself. i do not think there is an
answer to that. this is still ongoing. we must stop this war because, before, when we talked about identity rebuilding -- what i can talk about is my personal coping mechanisms. in my case, they are very straightforward. it is my family, my husband and daughters, who are against this war, and who are doing everything in their power, with a certain degree of separation. they have never been to russia, my daughters, for instance. but, they have been exposed to a lot in the russian culture. i cannot hide them from this war. they feel it as their war in many ways. they are coping with the with supporting their ukrainian friends, through singing ukrainian folksong and sending it to my friends back in odessa. my family has been my coping
mechanism, but also, the second thing is that i have the privilege and luck of an american identity. and identity that i willingly assumed when i moved to this country. i can say that i have been only proud of how we have been responding to this terrible war and how president biden has been calling for support for ukraine around the western allies. we have been sending help to ukraine. really, the moral clarity of that president biden provided of all the things of what they are, as far as the russian president is concerned, that has been my sort of escape route in this whole thing. it is that i am also american, and what we are doing is right. thirdl friendship that i cherish with my
ukrainian colleague, with whom i am in constant contact. he could have turned away for me, right? he would have had the right to do that, but he has not. we have been in daily contact him. i support him in any way that i can win when he is alone sitting in odessa in a bomb shelter. the fact that he and i still talk, that we are still friends, gives me hope that somehow, you know, this can be scaled, although i do not know, for the life of me, how this will happen. because as i said, first, we must stop this war. >> so many questions, yet so few answers, anastasia edel, thank you so much of talking it through it with us. coming up next, texas two point oh, how oklahoma's new copycat abortion law seeks to make vigilante justice at thing that the president. later, weaponizing the immigration debate, gop lawmakers focusing on providing fodder for right-wing cable
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protecting reproductive freedom under u.s. constitution, access to abortions are further out of reach than ever for millions of americans. that could get worse at any moment. oklahoma is set to enact its own texas style abortion ban. state republican legislators have already passed a bill banning abortions after six weeks. it will take effect as suit as oklahoma's governor signs it. gop lawmakers getting away with it because, after all, texas paved the way, including a legal loophole designed to bypass constitutional rights. the oklahoma bill is a copycat of the texas law, which relies on private citizens to sue abortion providers. it empowers vigilantes, allowing neighbors to report neighbors that exercise their
constitutional right to reproductive freedom. in a upcoming absurd advice news on showtime, journalists -- sits down with a texas lawmaker behind illegal scheme. >> the definition of a bounty hunter is a person that pursues a criminal for a reward that is offered. is it -- >> it sounds like it would qualify under that definition, that is fair. >> it is fair to say that the law that because his bounty hunters to enforce the law? >> it does not that because it, it is bringing suits private citizens. >> you see endangering the? >> we are accountable, we believe it a work. >> wow, vice correspondent, paola ramos, joins us now. she's also a msnbc contributor. i want to start with texas loophole abortion law. other states, even counties, are now using this legal mechanism to ban abortions. how does this type of legislation there in the reproductive freedom across the
nation. >> that loophole, not only defies federal courts, it is not just the five democrats, it really defies constitutional rights. it is capable of defying roe v. wade. the reason why this is happening is because one texas republican, including bryan hughes that you just saw, when they crafted the bill, the number one question they had in mind is, how do we go around federal law? they came to the conclusion that by that because in private citizens to enforce the law, by completely absolving the state from any responsibility -- in fact, when you read the law, the state is completely banned from enforcing the law. state legislators are banned from enforcing the law, because they figured out that if ordinary citizens can enforce the law, then it is almost completely impossible to challenge the state in federal courts. what happened is that after bryan hughes that this, it has now caused this national legal trend vigilante that is slowly
making its way across the country. there are at least 30 other anti-abortion bills that are specifically copycats of the texas law, according to scholars that we interviewed. >> california governor said he would use the same mechanism and abortion laws to fight the gun epidemic. will kind of words that the texas law open for our bigger legal system? >> this is the very interesting thing about the loophole. both republicans and democrats can use it. it is a loophole that can be used anywhere. it is divided democratic norms as we know it, defied the role of government and citizens have, the five the notion that we have with civil lawsuits. alicia, if you take the step back and see the map of culture wars that we are all in the middle of, you see the anti-trans bills, anti crt, anti abortion, anti gun legislation, where many of these policies have in common is that they're putting a lot of power in ordinary citizens.
don't say gay bill, it is parents that can sue the schools if they believe that their kids are being taught lgbtq issues. stop work ask, parents can sue schools if they think they're being exposed to crt. go to texas, oklahoma, ohio, it is private citizens that now can sue anyone that could be aiding or abetting and abortion. now somebody like governor -- if republicans are doing it, then i would do the same thing, ordinary private citizens can now go towards and forward gun manufacturers and do the same thing. in the middle of that map the i exposed, the legal weapon that people are using is deputizing vigilantes. i think that is very dangerous. >> it is very dangerous. i'm glad you tied us two issues together, because it is easy for us to talk about these things in silos, but there are deep connections here. a wave of anti-trans legislation has been happening across the country. i want you to take a listen to one interview that you did one
family being impacted. >> terry jackson, a former school guidance counselor and mother of a transgender teen, kass, is one of thousands of parents facing it difficult royce, stay in texas and risk being reported for child abuse, or lead to state. >> were you scared that people would actually target and report you? >> yes, i knew that there were a lot of people that were aware of our family situation. also, they are mandatory reporters. >> cast, what was it like when you heard what the governor's new directive? >> i sort of dealt with feeling like the world and people around me, they dislike and trust me, this trust me. to have that actualized and then to see neighbors, friends, family members, support that, publicly, it's definitely the worst i have felt, probably, ever before. i felt like i needed to take
myself out of the world. >> how has this brand of republican government changed how casts and their mom are living their lives? >> it is as you say, a matter of life and death for people. the family that you just saw on screen had to flee from texas. they drove thousands of miles to get to maryland. it completely disrupted their lives. the question i had for them was after this for, does the paranoia ever leave you? do you ever feel safe? they don't. one of the things that stuck with me, to this day, cast tommy that, even in maryland where they're supposedly safe, they are constantly thinking about people that could be attacking them. they're constantly thinking about violence. even cast as bomb said that we are scared of the idea that this country will slowly become a vigilante nation. maybe, our next option is to go to canada. you never feel safe and a country that is institutionalizing these types of bills. >> absolutely devastating,
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republicans weaponizing the issue of immigration to distract democrats from the control. >> my constituents want you -- the chaos on our southern border and is not an accident, it is deliberate, it is on purpose, it is by design. >> they compare you to benedic arnold. you know, no parent with the last name arnold names their kid benedic. they wonder, what would the
mayorkas family do down the road. >> next year, we have a majority in this committee which we share, if you are still in office, you will face impeachment. >> i think we ought to use the best tools in the country to find these votes, random up on the capitol and generous six and report every last one of them. >> that was all from thursday's hearing on the hill. gop badgering homeland security, alejandro mayorkas, who is there to discuss solutions. those attacks, all by designed it is actually a midterm strategy pulled from a 60 page memo by jim george then himself. the new york times is the first to obtain it. it encourage republicans to use the hearing to portray democrats as pushing for far-left policies that seek to abolish all immigration enforcement, and even encourage illegal immigration. talk about the many holes and what they said there. meanwhile, on friday, president biden met virtually with
mexico's president, to discuss immigration and title 42, the trump policy that allowed border agents to file asylum seekers to mexico. but in ask the judges to halt title 42, which could end on may 23rd. joining us now is lindsey toczylowski, watching those clips of republicans talking to mayorkas, it is such a mild rip misrepresentation of what is happening at the border, and why what is happening at the border is happening at the border. it is hard to know where to begin on the fact-check. >> it really is hard to know where to begin. i think one place that is important to begin is just recognizing that seeking asylum is a human right. seeking asylum is a legal right and united states and under international law. title 42, which has been in
place for more than two years, is set to be rescinded on may 23rd, as you said, is something that has impeded the legal rights of people to seek protection at our border. i can tell you, last week when i was in tiana, i visited two different shelters. one of them housed ukrainian refugees, who are currently being processed in as exceptions to title 42. another shelter that we visited often, that has families that have been trapped in tijuana for sometimes years, waiting for their legal right to seek asylum. the difference in those two shelters was stark. with the ukrainian refugees, they have an option to actually be able to seek protection because there is a political will and united states to process them. but for the others, there is not that political will. as you said, it is being weaponized by republicans to hold the biden administration hostage and not allow them to move forward with their campaign promises to restore
humanity. >> lindsey, it is why it is so frustrating to watch republicans sort of list all these lies. there should be a moment of opportunity with the way in which the united states are processing you can see refugees, look, we know how to do this, right? the how is not the question. as you said, it is a matter of will. it does not seem like exactly the argument that you made there that there is a political will, political desire, to really expand that treatment of ukrainian asylum seekers out to others. what does that tell you? >> it tells me that title 42, as we have been saying for two years, is a policy that is rooted in racism and xenophobia. it is a policy that is created by stephen miller and the trump administration, to expel black and brown migrants with no due process, with no access to counsel, and to deny them the right to seek asylum.
we see that playing out with ukrainian refugees, who are rightfully being welcome with dignity at our border. what we want to see is that being extended to everyone else so that people who have been locked out of the system can save themselves and their families. and our country can live up to the moral obligations to be that beacon of hope that so many of us aspire for the united states to be. right now, we are slamming the door in the face of refugees who are coming, fleeing for their lives and seeking protection. we stand ready as organizations that work at the border, humanitarian organizations, legal organizations, we stand ready. if they are able to move forward on make down the third to extend that processing to all asylum seekers and to make sure that as we see in europe with millions of refugees from ukraine being welcomed with dignity with important countries, we make sure we see that within our own u.s.
border. their campaign promise to restore human rights and humanity is actually coming to flourish in. we are ready to do that. the ukrainian refugee situation gives us the blueprint for how it can happen, and how it can happen safely, protect our communities, protect health and, most importantly, respect the human rights of asylum seekers. >> here is a thing, tele-, we do not need to ask why republicans are doing this, we know, we had the new york times obtaining this leak memo that i referenced previously. it says, quote, misleading and provocative talking points that seek to portray migrants and refugees as perpetrators of gruesome crimes, especially those involving sexual assaults, even though studies fine immigrants and the u.s. commit crime at lower rates than native born americans. how it is crave in, it is desperate, we have seen them do it before, it is not a big surprise. what does it say about the republican party? this is what they have in time for the midterms.
>> you just said, it is an old playbook. we know it was the strategy? it is to lean on fearmongering and tap into tribalism. my worry, alicia, is that this narrative seems to me being galvanizing even more people. why? because it is now feeding off conspiracy theories. it is feeding off disinformation. it is feeding off this very ruled humanitarian crisis that we have at the border. my fear is that it is tapping into more people, but here is the question, it is not really so much what republicans are doing. we know what's republicans are against. we know what republicans are vehemently against. what are democrats for? as lindsey said, where is the political will? what are democrats for? that is the question. when it comes to human rights, you cannot tiptoe around that issue. you cannot tiptoe around the fact that every human being deserves the legal right to seek asylum in this country. there is a moral answer in front of us. if you are the democratic party, we need a little bit more clarity and lean into the. that is the question.
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from kansas. a twister, caught on camera, near andover, kansas. the national weather service just moments ago said that it appears the tornado was a ef3. new video obtained by nbc news shows why a ef3 can do. thankfully, no deaths but several people were hurt. power was knocked out for more than 6000 people. local officials say that at least 50 buildings were damaged from the storms in southeast
wichita too andover. meanwhile, there are six states across the country this week working to contain wildfires. at least 11 large fires reported this week. hundreds of thousands of acres now charred. they are more fierce than ever, thanks to climate chase. that rowdy bound to get even worse. how might we get ahead of fires before they are sparked? it turns out, fighting fire with fire, might actually work. here's nbc's miguel almaguer >> raging wildfires, fueled by acres of that boris, propelled by unstoppable walls of flames. obliterating homes and incinerating communities. it happens year -- >> firefighters are beginning to lose the battle. >> after year -- an air attack has been a major as it all day long. >> after -- year >> it is expected to last another 24 hours. >> in 2021, oregon's fire
toward through the jacob family property. >> the fire is gotten real big from what it was in the past. >> when it's parked, than anything slow down? >> no. >> the fifth generation loggers and ranchers lost 300 acres. >> it is quite a project -- >> now, the federal government is trying to help families like theirs, urging them to thin their own forests before fire season begins, or to initiate prescribed burns, controlled fires like this one, so there is less wood to fuel the flames when fire season starts. while conducting these burns is not cheap or easy. >> who pays for that? >> that is the thing, right there. if we had manage our own property, then the stuff behind us couldn't possibly have the state come in and do burns and stuff like that, it would've saved our ground. >> across the u.s., there are 765 million acres of forest land, extreme drought and
climate change creating the most explosive conditions in the west. the government now wants to reduce fuel and clear as much land as the size of idaho to tackle the, last fall's infrastructure bill included billion set aside to fight wildfires before they start. >> when you look out here and see all these trees, you see beauty or do you see danger? >> both, i wish we could find it all. >> here in oregon, forest thinning could cost up to $900 per acre. government grants help, but there is not enough money to go around. >> the jacobs family has applied for federal funding, but for now, they are covering their own bill. on the property this size, it is roughly 1 million dollars, something they can afford. with the cost of a catastrophic wildfire is even greater. >> just a few miles away from the jacobs ranch, the property here was also burned by the fire. they are taking part in a ten-year program with oregon's department of forestry, so that
a controlled burn in 2017 prevented what would likely cost them their land. >> we spent all those years trying to keep fire away. you are going to burn, and you can have a choice, you want to control it, or do you want to be controlled, that is the reality. >> which is why they are investing in prevention, a price easier to pay before then after disaster strikes. mcgill almaguer, nbc news, oregon. >> that is it for this hour of american voices, i am alicia menendez i, will see you back here tomorrow, same time, same place, richard picks up our coverage after a short break. richard picks up ou interstate, they've got us covered. coverage after a short break we hit the bike trails every weekend grow all my own vegetables shingles doesn't care.
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