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my friend andrea. the unprecedented leak of the supreme court draft opinion signaling the end of roe v. wade is fuelling more protest as well as democratic outrage about its impact on women's reproductive rights. an investigation into the leak is under way. speculation over who gave justice alito's february draft opinion to politico ramps up. >> this is about a lot more than abortion. the idea that somehow there is an inherent right that there is no right of privacy. what are the next things that are going to be attacked. >> on the war in ukraine, military officials report a new wave of russian missile strikes
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to the donbas region. in the southern port cities of odesa and mariupol. the european union is proposing a sixth round of sanctions against russia. this one is a possible ban on russian oil imports. >> we are always open to additional sanctions. i've been in consultation, i will be speaking with the members of the g7 this week about what we're going to do or not do. >> former president trump puttin a primary win on the board tuesday night when his candidate in ohio's pivotal republican senator primary defeated four opponents to face tim ryan. we will dig into the numbers are steve kornacki. we want to begin with the latest from the supreme court. pete williams is joining me. and claire mccaskill joining us.
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pete, with you. we keep an eye on the court. what do we know about the marshall leading this investigation and how we anticipate it will move forward? >> we have no idea how it will move forward, peter. that's the easy answer to the question. i'm not sure that the marshall knows exactly how to do this. that's certainly an experienced lawyer. she has a long career in the u.s. military. she was an army judge advocate general and supervised many prosecutions during her time in the army. she's the chief security office he for the court. she's responsible for the police department at the supreme court. she can call on the help of her own staff to do this work. whether she can bring in outsiders to help out, i'm just not sure. there's a potential federal crime here, conversion of a government document. i can't imagine that anybody would ever be prosecuted for it.
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the other question is, could nonetheless somebody from the fbi, for example, be asked to help with the investigation, which would involve potential subpoena power and things like that? i'm getting way ahead of where things are at this point. my assessment from talking to current and former officials is, right now that's not in the offing. this is an internal investigation from all i know. i don't think we will hear much about it. maybe ever or maybe he would will hear more about it when it's over, if any conclusions are ever reached. leak investigations, even for experienced investigators, are very, very difficult. for starters, it takes two parties to leak. somebody to give it and somebody to receive it. the government is simply not going to go after politico here. that's not something that the government does. you have to start on the transmission end. it's just very hard to do a leak investigation. i've been through several when i
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worked in the government. they are really hard to do. this is going to be a tall order unless the person who did it decides to come forward and admit it. it has happened in the past at the supreme court. of course, there's never been a leak like this. >> pete, thank you very much for that. the leak is a head line. the real story is on women's reproductive rights. what are you hearing from folks? what are the primary concerns? what are they planning to do? >> i'm herein louisiana at one of three abortion providers in the state. like the only abortion clinic in mississippi where i was yesterday, this is an abortion clinic still operational. there's worry about how long that's going to last. i spoke to the administrator of this clinic who said she's losing sleep, not sleeping well at all, thinking about the women
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who would lose access to abortion if this clinic was shut down, which is what would happen, because louisiana, like mississippi, is part of the 13 group of states that have trigger laws which would mean abortion would be banned soon after if roe was overturned. listen to what katherine told me about her worries about women and who would be impacted. >> if roe is overturned, louisiana becomes a wasteland as far as women's health care as far as we're concerned. this is a state that's poor. this is a state that has the highest maternal mortality rate in the nation or very close to it. first or second. it's unconscionable. i don't see how anyone could call themselves pro life and put women in this predicament. >> she also told me that the women that are coming here, that they are overwhelmingly women
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below the poverty line. the majority are women of color. a number of the women that are coming here are from texas, because texas last year passed -- they call it sb8, a ban on abortions after six weeks. that administrator told me she has been inundated with women calling. 300 women trying to seek abortions. some women who have little means, they would be forced to drive, 10, 12, 13 hours to other states, even as far as maryland or illinois. really, a real problem here. a lot of concern here. conservatives are celebrating. they see this as a victory. >> so clear that women of color, minority women, would be the ones who bear the brunt of the ruling if it's finalized. senator mccaskill, if i could ask you on the politics and policy of this ruling, give our viewers a sense how this would impact women in your home state of missouri where they have one of the so-called trigger laws in
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place ready to effectively ban abortions there if roe is overturned. >> i don't think most missourians realize how extreme our state will be the minute roe falls. it's not a matter of if at this point. it's just a matter of when. will it be in three weeks or four weeks? at that moment, a law goes into affect that outlaws all abortions in the state of missouri. not even an exception for rape or incest. combine that with our personhood law which means any fertilized egg is considered a person. it's going to have a ramification for not just victims of rape and incest who are not going to have access to be able to terminate a young child who has been raped repeatedly by her uncle, would not have access to terminate that pregnancy in missouri, but it will have an impact on iud,
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an impact on the morning after pill, an impact on ivf because those are fertilized eggs. in missouri after roe falls, that fertilized egg is a person. anyone who interferes with the development of that egg becomes a criminal. >> senator, let's focus on the raw politics of this, if we can. democrats, as you know well, do not have the votes right now to try to overturn the filibuster. isn't trying to eliminate the filibuster a fool's errand. >> this happened because people voted for people who wanted to do this. there are many people in america who have no idea who their state representative is. have no idea how extreme they might be. this is a moment in time where every american needs to really check the rhetoric and the record and make sure the people that are representing them are people that they are comfortable
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with. abortion is always tough. the vast majority of americans support it in some circumstances. rape and incest, for example. on the other hand, there's a majority of americans that don't support late-term abortion. what we have got to do as democrats is make sure people understand that the majority of the country does not want roe to fall. we can stop it. we can codify it or let them codify an outlawing of abortion countrywide. that's why this senate election becomes a battle over abortion. >> senator mccaskill, thank you. we want to bring in california democratic congresswoman jackie speer who is joining us. we appreciate your time on this critical issue. senator schumer started this process, as you know, on the bill to codify roe. it's expected to fail next week without the votes. is there anything more that can be done right now at the federal level to better protect abortion
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rights? >> the only thing that could be done is for the two senators who were told by both kneel gorsuch and kavanaugh that they were going to respect the precedent of roe v. wade. their votes were contingent on -- >> murkowski and collins. sorry to interrupt you. >> right. they could be the votes we need to narrowly eliminate the filibuster for purposes of making sure that roe is the law of the land by codifying it, by making it the law. i don't think we should spend a lot of time on that. i know how the senate operates. i know how congress operates. we can't even tie our shoes. the real battle is across this country. women are going to lose autonomy. i don't think it has quite sunk
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in. this particular draft opinion is diabolical. when you read it and recognize the words justice alito uses, he wants to take us back in time. we have to remember that 59% of the women who actually access abortions already are mothers. i was one of those mothers. this is important for all of us to recognize that it is really taking control of women's bodies by giving the government the control over our bodies. >> congresswoman, you raised it, so i want to ask you about it. you shared your personal story more than a decade ago in 2011, having an abortion after complications with your own pregnancy. at this moment, can you reflect on the impact that this decision will have on women? >> peter, i get emotional when i think about what's not going to be there for women in this
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country. something that i had the luxury of in 2011. something that isn't going to be there. it's a painful process. it's not something that is done with any joy. it's really a very personal and difficult decision that a woman makes. she has the right to make that decision. she has a right to access abortion. it's important that we not take it away. >> as many women have said, it's not that they will not continue with abortions, they will just no longer have them safely for 100 million women in this country. >> it's also important to point out that there's about 30 million women in this country during the reproductive years that will lose access. that's an extraordinary number. that means states like california, where i am, are going to have to open their
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doors very wide and make resources available and redouble our efforts in opening clinics. because women are not going to become chattel in this country. the fact that we weren't in the constitution when it was founded doesn't mean that we're not part of the constitution today. it's important for us to make our case. >> we really appreciate you spending time with us today. our best to you. thank you so much. >> thank you, peter. right now, president biden and the first lady are welcoming team usa to the white house to celebrate their success in the olympics and paralympic games. enjoying themselves on the south lawn. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. you know liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need? like how i customized this scarf? check out this backpack i made for marco.
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joining me now is nbc's kelly cobiella. what's the scene? >> reporter: a lot of people here are coming here fleeing places. in the south, many end up here looking for help, for shelter and trying to keep in touch with loved ones who are often still in those areas, which are controlled or maybe partially controlled by russians. a lot of people here now are staying focused on the steel plant in mariupol, because as you mentioned, there are renewed russian attacks on the steel plant. we spoke to the mayor. he confirmed that communications are now down with the fighters there. he is not really sure what's happening inside. whether the fighters or those families are, in fact, safe right now.
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he would have been in communication with a woman whose husband is in that plant. we interviewed her last week. at the time, she said, i have to believe that my husband will come out, that he will survive this, that he will be alive and he will be back with us. we have been texting her almost daily since. she said she hasn't heard from him now since friday. really difficult situation for the people, the families here who have managed to escape a lot of the places, peter, but are still waiting, hoping, praying that they will be able to see loved ones again. >> of course, we keep hearing the crushing stories, including some in that steel plant without seeing daylight for two months. kelly, thank you so much. joining me now is the retired army lieutenant again steph twitty. i appreciate you being with us, general. we are less than a week until may 9. that's russia's victory day. it commemorates their sacrifices
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from world war ii. the kremlin right now is dismissing speculation that vladimir putin plans to declare war and mobilize more troops. what should we be watching? what are you looking for right now in terms of russia's strategy over these next several days? >> i think we need to be watching a couple of things, peter. number one, when you look at what they're doing now in mariupol, they are shelling the steel plant relentlessly. probably three scenarios that's going to come out of this thing. number one, we cannot get in contact or the ukrainians cannot get in contact with the military that's there now simply because they might be fighting for their lives and don't have time to talk to higher ups or they have -- they are truly out of communication and, therefore, they can't reconnect, or, unfortunately, the russians may have gone in there and killed
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everyone in that complex and we have what we have. if the latter is the case, what i think we are going to find is may 9, mariupol will be used as the victory display for may 9, to include parades and flags and visitors there in mariupol by the russians. that's what i think we have to look for. on the larger scale, the war is not going well for president putin. particularly when you look at their attack coming from kharkiv. the military weapons that have come in by the west, they have made a difference. about 80% of the artillery is in ukraine now, in the hands of soldiers. those are artillery that's gone in. it's been pretty effective against the ukrainian advance. the drones have been pretty effective. that slowed that attack up there in the north. in addition, the russians are
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still plagued by the problems that they had previously, low morale, lack of logistics, on and on and on. those are things we need to continue to look for. >> i think you are exactly right on all the points you make there. let me ask you about that specifically as it relates to the weapons. russia's defense ministry is warning it could target nato supplies. they have hit six railway stations. is the supply of weapons at risk? i say that as the president is asking for another $33 billion in aid, more than $10 billion of which would be weapons. if they do hit a nato transport, a vehicle or a train, perhaps, does that escalate this war? >> there's two questions there. first of all, the weapons that are going in, they're going in by multiple means. nato has been pretty innovative getting the weapons to ukraine.
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then it's up to the ukrainians, not nato, to get the weapons into the hands of their soldiers. that could be either by rail. that could be going by road. that could be going by air. you cannot put all your eggs in one basket and put all the weapons just on rail. the other thing is, the russians are attacking the fuel depots. it's not just the rail systems and the air fields. they are attacking the fuel depots because most of the weapons will need the fuel that is required to continue to fight here. then you asked a second question, peter. i'm sorry. >> the quick question is, what it means to nato if they get struck, what this means to nato and to the u.s. in terms of the escalation. >> yeah. good question. after the equipment gets to ukraine, the nato equipment, it is now ukrainian equipment. it's no longer nato's equipment
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anymore. from a tactical sense, it's irrelevant whether it gets strikes because it's not nato's equipment. obviously, from a strategic and informational sense, putin, he is going to use that to say that he attacked nato's equipment. you will get a huge informational response back from putin touting he struck nato's equipment obviously. >> retired army lieutenant again steph twitty, we appreciate your expertise. thank you for making time to speak with us today. >> peter, thank you. trump critic turned supporter jd vance rises to the top in ohio. what it means for other candidates backed by the former president. that's next. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." we are live only on msnbc. with a plant-based adaptogen,
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we are back. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." the ohio senate primary proved to be a pivotal victory for donald trump in the weight of his endorsement. his pick, jd vance secured the
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nomination in the heated primary. steve kornacki at the big board and charlie sykes and columnist connie schultz. steve, an important win for donald trump for the state of his political power. what are your biggest takeaways? >> that's the most important one. ohio posed the question going forward, if trump could get his candidate across the finish line in ohio, would that emmbold ben him. in terms of trump's impact on this primary, it's hard to ignore. a couple things, if you look at polling in the race through mid april, when trump made his endorsement of jd vance, you didn't have him at the top. he ended up moving to the top by
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about ten points. you take a look here, vance and mandel who ran the hardest after getting the trump endorsement after trump voters. the strongest trump areas, it was vance and mandel running one and two. vance running number one. look at that result and think, if trump weighed in for mandel, good chance he would be the nominee. it's clear trump had an impact. vance benefits. vance moves to the general election. a quick look at the general election here. the opponent is tim ryan. he wins the democratic primary easily. he has been in congress two decades. the challenge he is up against is simply that ohio has become a different state politically since donald trump emerged on the scene. this is a state that obama carried twice. trump by eight in 2020 and 2016.
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the part of the state where tim ryan is from is a crucial part of the story. look at where youngstown is. this is part of tim ryan's congressional district that he has represented for 20 years. trump carried that county by two points in 2020. if that doesn't seem impressive, consider that in 2012, when obama won the state of ohio, obama won the county by 28 points. you have seen a 30-point shift in the youngstown area. you have seen shifts comparable to that through the valley, southern ohio, the appalachian region of ohio. you have seen counties that obama won, was competitive in as recently as 2012 that donald trump now racked up margins of 30, 40 points or more in. that's been the transformation of ohio. that's been a little bit to offset it in the suburbs of columbus, cleveland, from a democratic standpoint. but this is a different state politically than before donald trump came on the scene. that's what tim ryan is up
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against in the fall. >> steve, thank you. charlie, i'm struck as we look at the board, 68% of republicans notably voted for someone who is not named jd vance. what it does that tell you about this? what does this mean for west virginia, pennsylvania, georgia, where he endorsed candidates? >> a majority of voters did not vote for trump's candidate. as steve pointed out, more than 50% voted for jd vance or josh mandel. there's no question about it that this primary is just another indicator that the gop is donald trump's party. it's also -- i think it's interesting to take the focus off of trump and look at the electorate. it's not just donald trump's republican party, it's also marjorie taylor greene, matt gaetz. it's a republican party comfortable with a candidate
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like jd vance who is willing to traffic in replacement theory, anti-putin isolationism, who has been willing to endorse some of the most raw authoritarian streaks in trumpism. what you are seeing is a real radicalization of the republican electorate. yes, donald trump has tremendous influence. don't miss the fact that trump himself is influenced by what's happening to the republican base. it's not just top down. it's also what's happening with the voters who are making these decisions. >> jd vance thanking donald trump by name as well as tucker carlson and marjorie taylor greene. the democratic turnout was down from 2018. republicans on the other side, theirs was up. is that another warning sign to democrats? what are you hearing on the ground there? what are your concerns? >> well, i am in ohio, as you know, in cleveland.
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democratic turnout was surely lower. there weren't the contested races that the republicans had. tim ryan was going to win his senate race for the democratic nomination. brown was easily defeated turner. i don't think we can have this conversation in a vacuum. i understand we are looking at the results from yesterday. it was five candidates and vance managed to get the majority. yes, trump had an impact. the majority of ohioans, as is true of pretty much around the country, support a woman's right to a safe and legal abortion. in light of what has happened with the leak of the supreme court brief by justice alito and what looks to be a certainty at this point, if not overturing roe v. wade -- it's going to change what we talk about in the
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election because republican candidates are going to lose their cash cow. they will not be able to raise money on abortion rights. they have to answer the questions. in the case of rape, incest, a child and a -- if the woman's life is at risk, you will insist these women still carry to term? the conversation has changed. we're going to see that impact, i believe, across the state in the election. >> charlie, do you agree? has the conversation changed? is abortion rights a motivating issue for democrats? is it enough to swing the tide in that state? >> i don't know if it's enough to swing the tide but it has changed the conversation. to some of the questions that connie raised are questions that are going to be extremely awkward for republicans. i know it's an overused cliche about the dog chasing the car and catching it and going, my goodness. for decades this has been a freebie for republicans to say they are pro life without
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actually thinking that they would ever be banning abortions to the extent they are. these are all extremely difficult questions. i'm not sure that they figured out ho answer all of those questions. >> sometimes the dog catches up to the car. connie, last thought? >> watch mcconnell yesterday. three times reporters tried to ask him. he tried to tell us how to do our jobs. this is the national leadership of the republican party. they do not know how to handle this now. they were not anticipating this. >> focussed on the leak, not the substance of the opinion. connie, nice to have you with us. charlie, appreciate you being with us. the ripple affects of the supreme court's expected reversal of roe v. wade from the november midterms to the public's view of the highest court. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc.
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vice president kamala harris delivered the most forceful defense of abortion rights. harris was speaking to emily's list, a group that backs female democratic candidates who support abortion rights. >> women's rights in america are under attack. those republican leaders who are trying to weaponize the use of the law against women, well we say, how dare they? how dare they tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body, how dare they. >> joining me joyce vance, kimberly store. joyce, let me start with you. walk us through how this ruling
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trickles down to states, including the 13 that have the trigger laws in place right now. it's really as you describe it, that patchwork quilt for many of the states. >> once roe is reversed, a decision about whether and to what extent women will enjoy abortion rights is up to state legislatures. we see a patchwork quilt, different laws in different states. as you point out, peter, at least 13 states have trigger laws. those are laws that will go into affect and ban abortion to some extent if roe is overturned. over states have zombie laws. they can go into affect once roe is overturned. there are differences in the states. in some cases, the laws go into affect automatically. others will require court orders or certifications from state officials. all that to say in this
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environment of uncertainty, that will obtain further drags on women's exercise of their rights. the twigger -- the trigger laws come in idaho and moves to the east, another a swath of states across the deep south. women who are looking for states where abortion remains legal will have to travel extensively, imposing greater burdens on women who have less financial means. >> kim, as we have noted, minority women overwhelmingly will bear the brunt of this. let's talk about alabama, where joyce is. non-white women make up 35% of the population. nearly 70% of those receiving abortions, for those looking, you can see texas 59% of the population, 74% of those receiving abortions. talk about that impact and how it uniquely impacts those women of color, particularly in southern states or those states
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where they have the restrictions in place. >> that impact is clear, peter. i want to talk about the cause for that disparity. it has to do with a complex set of social and economic factors as well as health factors. black women are three to four times more likely to have -- to die during pregnancy due to a pregnancy-related complication. often, they have to seek that care in order to save their own lives during a pregnancy. that is missed in justice alito's opinion, who cites the fact there's more black women seeking abortions as if that is some sort of attack on black people. it's black women trying to take care of themselves, or they are in a situation where they need to have choices available to them. this is deeply impactful on
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them. i find it astonishing the opinion talks about abortions for black women without mentioning the impact on black women at all. it impacts poorer people, as joyce says, people with less access. wealthy, privileged people will have access. that's where the dividing line will fall. >> michael, let me ask about you this moment. how does it impact public trust in the supreme court? trust in what the supreme court nominations say during the confirmation process. susan collins said she felt, if this is finalized, that the comments made by justices gorsuch and kavanaugh when they were testifying were completely inconsistent with this decision. >> i think it's an insult to democracy. senator collins, spare us. you heard them say that they would regard roe v. wade as settled law, and you and some
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other senators were eager to accept that and not be skeptical of those dubious claims. we have seen the spectacle over the last couple of decades of nominees for the supreme court going into senate confirmation hearings, under oath, being asked about roe v. wade and saying, i think it's settled law. i wouldn't try to strike it down. they made stronger assurances of that kind to senators in private, as senator collins has affirmed. we now know that it was the intention of at least some of those people to strike down roe v. wade as soon as they got on the supreme court or a couple of years later. those of us who have children, we have children in our family, we are trying to raise them to be good people who tell the truth. what message does did send if people who are going to be on the supreme court of all people go before the senate under oath, say things that are obviously
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the opposite of what they really believe, demonstrate that that is true? it's an insult to democracy. it's a very bad sign for our country. it's also very bad for the supreme court. >> michael, let's drill down on that quickly. we heard from senator murkowski. she was asked whether she believes she was lied to by the justices during their confirmation hearings. here she was. >> when you look back at what kavanaugh and gorsuch said, were they being honest to you? >> i don't think that these types of questions are appropriate at this moment. what you are operating off of, what everybody is operating off of right now is a leaked draft that we understand was penned by justice alito.
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so i don't know what or how the other justices have weighed in. >> if finalized -- you can only give this a matter of weeks before we will have the final answer, kim, to you, there's something that those senators, collins and murkowski could do about it. >> there's something they can do. they can end the filibuster. they could pass legislation that protects access to abortion. for women in america. they can be clear about what their own responsibility and their own accountability is in their jobs. and say, if they believe they were lied to, say that immediately and express skepticism, as michael said, when necessary. >> joyce, a pleasure to see you. kim, always nice to have you with us. michael, i appreciate your time and expertise. next up for our listeners, the road from hell. hundreds of women and children trapped for weeks in mariupol
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nations managed what seemed impossible negotiating a break in the fighting so that some of those people could get out. joining me now is jason, the spokesperson for the international committee of the red cross. jason, i appreciate your being with us. this was clearly a harrowing journey for so many. tell us what they're telling red cross workers >>well, this is a life-changing moment, obviously, stepping out of that steel plant. it's a day all these people are going to remember for the rest of their lives. you know, the story that people kept sharing that stuck with me is the fact that when they stepped out of the steel plant, it was the first time in two months they'd seen the sun, they'd seen the sky. it's almost impossible to imagine. these dozens and dozens of people with many of them whom were children as young as six months, 2-year-olds, 5-year-olds, everyone who has been a parent of a young child would wonder how can they keep a child locked in the small space
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not seeing the open sky for two months? i mean, what a set of torture for these young children and for these families. so, again, yesterday was just a great day for all of these people who are able to leave. >> and with, so, jason, walk us through the obstacles the red cross faces. how many others you're trying to get out of mariupol. >> it's complex and complicated issue to resolve. it took five days from beginning to end for this to happen. and we didn't have to travel that far. it's just the tedious process. this is a conflict zone. throughout the conflict zone, there are check points. at each check point, you have to stop, you have to speak with the commander, you have to give permission to move, you have to sort of assure them they know who you are. they may call up and say is this approved? and that process gets repeated over and over again. onment one hand, you pick up the people and they're happy and rejoicing. you have to repeat the process
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on the way out. so slow, tedious. it has to be. the communication lines with the military forces have to be clear. this has been approved by commanders. we have safe passage here. this is a civilian convoy. this is a humanitarian initiative that took the agreement of ukraine and russia and that should be noted that they were able to come to this agreement and able to allow these civilians out of harm's way, as international humanitarian law calls for. as you suggested, now what we want to do is repeat the process and get even more people out. >> jason, how many more people you're trying to get out now? >> well, in the plant i.t., we know there are more people but we don't have a precise count. we wish we did. of course, in the city of mariupol and in a larger sense, we know there are thousands of people. the good news is that these discussions are ongoing. i'm hopeful that we'll have more
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good news in the next day or two. these efforts are continuing. >> jason with the red cross, we appreciate what you are doing for so many over there. that'll do it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." i'm peter alexander. follow the show online and on facebook and twitter. chuck todd with "mtp daily" starts after this. k todd with " starts after this. thanks, dad. that's right, robert. and it's never too early to learn you could save with america's number one motorcycle insurer. that's right, jamie. but it's not just about savings. it's about the friends we make along the way. you said it, flo. and don't forget to floss before you brush. your gums will thank you. -that's right, dr. gary. -jamie? sorry, i had another thought so i got back in line. what was it? [ sighs ] i can't remember. (grandmother) thank you for taking me home. it's so far. what was it? (young woman) don't worry about it, grandma! this'll be fun. (young woman) two chocolate milkshakes, please. (grandmother) make it three.
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