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for refusing to appear for deposition. that is despite the fact that navarro never seems to stop talking. in every appearance, trump's former trade advisor is running his mouth a mile a minute, even though he can never seem to form a coherent thought. he is the second trump loyalist to be indicted for contempt of congress. earlier this year, stephen bannon surrendered when justice department the justice department brought similar charges against him. at this point it appears to be the only ones to face criminal contempt charges. the new york times is reporting that the justice department has declined to pursue charges against mark meadows and dan that's convene oh, two top trump officials. the response to that news, general six committee chair person thompson said in the statement, quote, we find the decision to reward mark meadows and dance given oh for the continued attacks on the rule of law puzzling. but it appears at least one key trump administration figure is cooperating with some capacity, or in some capacity, with the committee. on thursday, donald trump's
former attorney general bill barr, was seen exiting the january six committees conference room. this would have been at least the second time that barr has met with the committee. back in january, chairperson thompson confirmed that barr had spoken with the panel and has cooperated with its investigation. it remains to be seen if barr or any other high-ranking trump official will testify in front of the american people as part of the committee's public hearings. the justice department, by the way, isn't just working on g involving the twice impeached ex presidents former aide, they are working to prosecute his insurrection supporters, to. yesterday another member of the far-right extremist group proud boys pleaded guilty to a felony count of obstruction of an official proceeding. joshua pruitt is facing up to five years in jail, for taking part in the mob that ransacked the capital, and endangered the safety of members of congress. in court documents, he admitted that he nearly came into contact with that in the senate minority leader chuck schumer, and his security detail, inside
the capitol during the insurrection. the danger that donald trumpte t officials that day, was apparently not that much of a surprise. we are beginning to learn now, that lisa members of the administration expected it. maggie haberman of the new york times reported yesterday, citing people familiar with the events that marc short the chief of staff of then vice president mike pence, actually warned the secret service on january 5th that quote, the president was going to turn publicly against the vice president and there could be a security risk to mr. pence because of it. there's clearly a lot of other detailed information that the public has yet to learn about january 6th, and what led up to it, and the efforts to overturn the legitimate results of the 2020 election. but as the general six panel moves into the public hearing phase of its work now, the republican party has already been laying out the groundwork to subvert for future elections. it's already, june which means we are more than halfway through a midterm election here. in five, months in the slate of
governors, senators, and house members will be voted into office. but as we approach election day, there's cause for concern that bad actors could undermine the integrity of the vote, and the will of the people. heidi press bellow, reporting for politico, recently obtained recordings of republican party operatives coordinating with grassroots activists, to develop the strategy that will allow the gop to challenge election results, and possibly overturn the votes in democratic districts. one plan would involve recruiting and installing republican party members as poll workers, who would monitor the results and report back possible issues. the gop attorneys could then challenge the results. >> we are trying to recruit, and truly it is going to be at. army we are trying to recruit lawyers, we are going to have more lawyers than they've ever been recruited. because that let's be honest that's where it is going to pay off right. >> that was the voice of matthew c free, the republican parties national committees quote, election integrity
director for michigan. those tapes again were obtained by heidi press, philip reporting from political. we have not in a ten lee verified them at nbc news, but these tapes show once again, republicans saying the quiet part out loud. the efforts to overturn the 2020 election, was just a trial run. the gop has identified weaknesses in our electoral system, and they are seeking to exploit as soon as this november, what happened in 2020 was an effort to delegitimized a legitimate election. and it appears that the electoral strategy that the republican party is sticking with for the near future. for its part, the rnc maintains that it's quote following president, the law, and best practices, and. quote with the strategy. joining me now is haiti press baller. i'm sure you know her well from her time here at nbc news. she is a veteran washington g8 journalist and the reporter behind that political report about the gop's plan to install poll workers at voting pre sinks this november. heidi, good to see you my old friend. thank you for this great reporting.
it is alarming and so far as the gop, at the state level in michigan, but elsewhere. has institutionalized this effort to undermine voting through these various mechanisms. they are looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. >> yeah, ali, i consulted a number of election law experts on this, and they all say it is unprecedented because we have what we have here is not just a political party recruiting the folks who are supposed to be the nonpartisan election experts to administer our elections, but also training them. setting up workshops and specifically in how to contest votes. and equipping them with the tools to do so. including a hotline that would connect them while they are in those halls with roving party attorneys, as well as a website, ali because it is not as possible to use the cell phone when you are inside and election administration center. and an important part about this, also ali is in all of the hours it takes that i listened to you i heard to a person, all of these individuals talking
about how there was fraud in the 2020 election, and that the intent here is to stop that fraud from happening again. and some of the folks that they're aligned with, or the places where they are recruiting these folks, are really the heart for maga folks who believe that fraud occurred, and they are primarily targeting, ali, democratic minority precincts. so what you are going to see here visually is a lot of white folks from the suburbs coming in and trying to administer, or actually having these official positions administering elections in these heavily minority districts where we already saw for instance, in detroit in 2020, that was really one of the hotspots where there was a lot of election challengers. who are on the outside, trying to cause chaos. this time it could potentially be on the inside, ali. >> so the issue here, as would a lot of people think they saw in the 2020 election and the january six staff, was a national, and statewide
strategy to subvert the election. but what you are reporting on, and it is uniquely important in a place like michigan but also in wisconsin, arizona, georgia, and pennsylvania, is this precinct level strategy. it is not just about state level voting i.d. changes in mail-in ballots, it is present level stuff. tell me why that is important for our viewers to understand? >> this is an entire architecture, steve bannon has been talk about this for months on his podcast, that he wants maga loyalists to become the worker bees of the election system. so what you would have here is this happening in a about battleground states and based on my reporting in michigan, i can only speak for what is happening in michigan, there was also talk of creating a nationwide district attorney network of friendly district attorneys who then could be contacted and pulled into this. as well, ali, as wang forsman. now one of the most recent
reporting that i heard was from the smell of a former state senator in michigan who participated in one of these summits, talking about how law enforcement justice and understand. because the last time they kicked us out and we were trying to contest votes in detroit. and this time, we are reaching out proactively in advance so that we can educate a law enforcement about voter fraud. of course, i have never heard in these tapes alley, anyone talk about the fact that there had been over 250 audits in the state of michigan, as well as a comprehensive report by the republican-led senate committee, oversight committee, they found that there was no evidence of widespread fraud, and in fact the individuals who propagated that should be investigated for trying to further their own political interests. >> yeah, michigan had a uniquely safe election, and a, secretary of state who takes election safety and integrity, even though that's become a weird buzzword, very very seriously. heidi, great to see you my friend. thank you for joining, as heidi
press. bella >> next we have the national correspondent for msnbc contributor, good morning to you about. see let's talk about the january six committee and what is going on there. this is about to be a very big week. you and i have discussed this before. but there is some needle to move here that the committee would like to move, right. they would like to sort of explain to you what happened, how it happened, and perhaps how changes need to occur to our system, to our election protection architecture, to make sure january six doesn't happen again. i get the impression the point that they are going to be making is, would happen on january 6th absolutely could happen again. >> that's right. but they also want to communicate is that was very much something that wasn't random, wasn't out of the blue, but rather that trump and his close allies had spent months fomenting the conspiracy theory, and the lie that the 2020 elections were going to be insecure. it is not very hard for them to make that case since so much of those efforts were done in
public. but what we expect them to suss out is in greater detail, how this process, how these allegations, what led up to january six 2021, would lead up to the attack, and then the consequences that it has had for our democracy going forward. one thing that i reported just a few days ago is that, a key figure both in the january 6th disaster, and in the republican party now, doug mastriano, has recently turned over a trench of documents to the select committee. and more importantly, has agreed to set for an in-person interview. mastriano was and is a pennsylvania state senator. he helped facilitate a bust that took upwards of 130 or more people from pennsylvania to washington d.c., so that they could be there on january 6th. mastriano also worked with rudy giuliani to host conspiratorial
hearings, lobbying allegations of election fraud in the weeks after the 2020 election. but most importantly, mastriano was recently named the republican party nominee as governor of pennsylvania. if he wins that race, he will be the most powerful figure in the state of pennsylvania, overseeing elections in the 2024 presidential election, where the pennsylvania election could be a close one. the fact that he has agreed to sit for an interview with the committee is a small but important victory for investigators and it shows just how many different layers, in terms of time, but also in terms of geography they are having to grapple with as they bring together the findings of their investigation. and, simultaneously keep finding out more things. >> so here's my take on. this with bannon and navarro and meadows, there is information that they don't want to give the committee that might implicate them in some
fashion, maybe, maybe not who knows. mastriano has no such fear, right? he is very pleased about wet he did in the last election, and what he wishes to do in the next election. it is actually the campaign on which he won that he will basically take control of elections, he will throw about he doesn't like, he will sequester machines that he thinks voting machines didn't think we're good. so i wonder if he goes to the january six committee with some pride sort of explaining, this is how i will keep elections safe. >> there is no question that dog mass triana we came the republican parties new rhetorical nominee in pennsylvania because of the work that he tried to do to cast doubt in the 2020 election results. the pennsylvania republican primary was crowded. it was competitive. the first lawmaker to endorse donald trump way back in the 2016 election was one of the republicans running against mastery on oh. instead of endorsing that lawmaker though, trump himself
specifically endorsed mass giannone, citing the fact that mass giannone was quote unquote and i paraphrase, really great on election integrity. master arnaud's election related work was the reason he became for rudy giuliani. it's the reason he became a hero in modern world. it's the reason that trump himself endorsed it. it has been a political boon no question for mastriano. >> betsy, thank you for joining us as. always betsy is a national correspondent for politico in an msnbc contributor. if you don't already follow on social media reader, stuff do so, now because she brings it all together very. nicely all right coming up next, how marketing may play more of a role in america's mass shooting crisis that we have real. s plus, the united states is sending long shot, long-range missile missile systems to the ukraine. alexander vindman helps us understand the world role that these new weapons will play in the battlefield, but up next, general election matchups.
we were just talking about in the pennsylvania senate race, it's just that. after the last gop primary candidate conceded to doctor oz. the unshakable steve kornacki, here in studio. very early on the saturday morning to break down how this race could play out and what it means for the united states senate. e united state senate senate ♪ sweet ♪ ♪ emotion ♪ ♪ sweet emotion ♪
pennsylvania senate race is going to be doctor moment off facing off with lieutenant governor john fetterman this coming november. that is for the senate seat. speak to the gop nominee yesterday after his primary opponent, david mccormack, the guy the. wright announced that he was conceding the exceedingly close race. the two men where the top vote getters on the republican primary, which took place on may 17th. they were separated by less than 1000 votes. and that automatically triggered a recount.
mccormack signed off with a short message to his supporters. >> it is so important for pennsylvania, so important that we meet john fetterman, and it is so important for the country that we take back the country in the senate. >> all right joining me now to discuss how this is shaping up in the broader applications the united states senate is a very special guest, and other than msnbc's election groom, south eve cornet. steve, thanks for joining us this. morning we really appreciate it. i know you always offer to do so but, you really work along day. you said it in the commercial break, it's pennsylvania. >> yes, and it will now be, as we said here. i mean look at that, 916 votes. one and one tenth of 1%. that's how we're gonna land on this thing mccormack and continue this recount for a few days. it is clear that he was getting nowhere with it and you just take a look at how things played out. it was a lopsided democratic primary, lieutenant john fetterman easily beating congressman lamb. the wildcard was fetterman here
of course. in the early days of this general election came in his help in a stroke just before the primary he announced just yesterday as mccormack was conceding the race, it was a serious stroke. he said i almost died so >> and he had a pacemaker put, in his doctor said he's good to. go >> yeah so it's a bit of a wildcard in the early days but obviously months before the general election. and the backdrop for all of, this we know how important pennsylvania was obviously the 2020 election. and it ultimately was the state to put joe biden over the line. a couple of things to keep in mind, here midterm elections where we talk about the white house party. it's an uphill climb. it's almost always historically. so while biden did win pennsylvania in 2020, that margin is seen as 1.2 points. that's actually less than biden's margin in the national popular. vote he boat beat trump by a few points in the national popular, votes of this means pennsylvania, while it was a biden stay in 2020, is actually a bit to the right of the nation. and so that is one thing that worries democrats about this
race this november. it's okay biden won the state, but it was already a few points to the right of the rest of the country, and i are in a midterm climate that doesn't look that great for democrats. but the reason the biden was able to lead pennsylvania in 2020, when democrats are counting on here, we are talking about this in your last segment, it really has a lot to do with these four counties i'm circling right here. the suburban counties, the collar counties right outside offensive pennsylvania. densely populated, they've moved dramatically towards the democrats certainly in the trump era. these are the areas where joe biden experienced the biggest growth in democratic vote in 2020. and this is where democrats believe they really think that mastriano, doug mastriano the republican nominee that were just talking about in the republican cuter ill nominee, they think his candidacy, the january 6th, the trump ties will unnerved voters. the same voters the turned on trump, and they can turn to that same group of voters, especially in these philadelphia suburbs. it would lift him in the give
notorious rays and they believe in the senate races. well but this is a different atmosphere. >> i live in montgomery county, it's one of those. can we go back to the senate and mccormack and barnett. this does tell the story of the type of candidates who are running. oz endorsed by trump, not the most trumpy of guys, but endorsed by trump. mccormack his wife was a part of the trump administration. much more mainstream republican, but actually had inside connections to the trump administration. and barnett, probably the trumpiest of the mall. she campaigns with a picture of a gun that is almost a size of her. she believes the 2020 election was illegal. so these are three flavors of what is gonna influence republican voters in this coming election. >> yeah that barnett story was interesting. she fell short at the end on a shoestring budget, and i think basically she said we need by supporters, or a maga, before -- . >> she was --
from trump and it well enough here obviously to put its gear into these two candidates. i think it's interesting here on awesome versus mccormick is, we talk about what is important about the endorsement of republican primary. i think you see it here. austin run away with this thing, he barely got 30%, but that 916 vote difference over mccormack, i think trump probably accounted for. that i think it's hard to see as getting past mccormack without. that >> yeah the thing is about pennsylvania, even on the democratic side it also represents different flavors of democrats who are running. and that i think is gonna really play out in this election. it may just may not be republicans versus democrats, it's one kind of republican versus one kind of democrat. but we have many months to discuss that. >> i look forward. to it >> i am grateful to you, my. friends steve kornacki, nbc news political correspondent i you're gonna be seeing a lot of in the coming months. all right, the fighting in ukraine now focus on the dunn bass, the war in ukraine is entering a brand-new stage in the u.s. is sending brand-new up under a. that could change the course of the war, the lieutenant colonel
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invasion of ukraine which the kremlin plan to take 72 hours. rushville but that goal. it is locked in a deadly destructive battle of attrition while trying to capture the small section of land called the dundas in ukraine's east. it is an area comprised of two regions, lineage and do hunts. which russia has had some influence well installing a puppet government leaders in 2014. intense taken artillery fighting in the donbas region continues, essentially as it has four weeks, with russia making very slow and very small gains while nearing complete control of luján's with the exception of the city of sievierodonetsk, the last major uk city under some kind of
ukrainian control. the uk defense ministry says russia should be in complete control of the hands within two weeks, although similar warnings have been issued for several weeks. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy says that russia now controls about 20% of ukraine, including crimea. the other part of ukraine, which russia invaded and illegally annexed in 2014. however, with much most of russia is fighting focused in the, east ukraine continues a successful countered events that directly north of crimea, around kherson, which has been under russian control since the first days of the war. ukraine says it is retaken control of 20 towns and villages in the area, and asked the work continues in this new phase in the donbas region, as part of another package of aid the u.s. is now sending long sought, long range missile systems to ukraine with the caveat that these weapons be used on russian targets, inside ukraine. not in russia itself, which by the way can be reached with these weapons. joining me now is the retired lieutenant colonel alexander vindman.
he is the former director of european affairs at the national security council. he's the author of the important book, here right matters. an american story. and was involved in the first impeachment of donald trump after he reported the phone conversation that donald trump had with vladimir zelenskyy, the president. colonel, good to see you. thanks for being with us. you had written several weeks ago and foreign policy that it is time to move past washington's cautious approach. do you believe that providing ukraine with long range missiles is a move in the direction that you are suggesting? >> first of all, ali, it is great to be on with you. again it's a move in the right direction. we are not so we yet where we need to. b i think frankly from my perspective, looking at this battlefield and what is missing, there needs to be a quantity of weapons to sustain a fight between two massive armies opposing each other. and that is not coming through it with the quantities that it needs to yet. we are deftly moving in the right direction, and the systems, these kind of
restrictions on how far the ukrainians can shoot, that that is also quite artificial. and frankly irrelevant. the ukrainians have chosen to on occasion, when able, to target objectives inside russia, and they have done it thoughtfully. these are relevant military targets and i think that these constraints are frankly not particularly helpful -- -- that we have ukraine. or into helping to end this war. they will be supreme court on the battlefield for tactical success is the probably operational successes regarding some of russia's gains, but eventually ukraine might carry get to the point where it needs to target bases right across the border. those are completely relevant targets, and something that russia has in certain ways become accustomed to this idea. >> it is an interesting point you make, because they're a lot of people think if ukraine, the u.s. is where ukraine has targeted russia russian targets inside russia, there are people who think lou look at this in a very binary fashion. there should be a defensive war for ukraine, ukraine is
something wrong. they can defend their territory, but if they cross that line align as been crossed. from the nato and american perspective, the ideas that if you use our weapons to attack russia, it justifies russia escalating the war beyond ukraine's borders, perhaps into nato. perspective this for me. >> yeah, i think that is frankly a flawed assumption that somehow a rocket system that we provide, versus one that the ukrainians had in their own inventory is gonna be parson anything and kind of way. and that somehow that is what's approaches the major taboo of a russian country fantasia with nato. we should remember that the bar for russia to strike out and nato is impossibly high. they are bogged down in ukraine, having a very hard time in this fight. they are not going to strike out a nato for some for the ukrainians using military weapons provided by an ally
against military targets and. russia that is the leap that you need to get there, from the air to some kind of confrontation with nato, is a chasm. so i think that it is almost an artificial barrier. a meaningless barrier from a military standpoint, but it does kind of show where the u.s. had spaces. frankly, senior leadership in the national security council, you know folks like jake sullivan are the ones who are driving the train on these artificial constraints. the very very slow progress to actually deliver these weapons, 400 days into this war and now these weapon systems are flowing in. i've been talking about this since week one, and we have blown past all of these artificial. restrictions >> will let me, ask you because we unite both on the same place on this that this needs to be done more aggressively because this is a years-long war of attrition, russia wins by. default here's my question to you, 101 days ago, you are
warning about. this because you you and i talked every single week since this war started. you thought the u.s. should be more aggressive. after 101 days of seeing how the russian military performs, i would assume that the risk of a large expansion is lower today, because russia is not interested. russia can hardly manage a fight with ukraine that was supposed to take and three days, how is it gonna fight with nato and poland and expanding nato and the united states. how is that possible even be something that the russians could be considering? >> that is exactly. right i think the short term, the next several months, russia's appetite for ending confrontation with nato is drastically surprised. if in fact putin turns a corner though, if he puts enough skin in the game, if he goes towards the general mobilization that he makes a full commitment to this war, which frankly the russians happened yet, that might change the contacts a little bit. that may change the possibility
of a confrontation with nato. that is why short war is in the benefit of the u.s. and in the benefit of u.s. national security, because reduces the risk. so this notion of buying into a long war, is also fundamentally flawed. it is one that increases the risk of a conversation, potentially in the long run, as putin incrementally increases his commitments, stakes is regime survival in a much more concrete way. that is why from the very beginning i have been advising that we provide these weapons systems, help preserve the possibility of -- that is trying to slip through our fingers, like several other opportunities. but we are getting there. the next step is going to be providing unmanned combat aerial vehicles. i think that is gonna happen to, eventually. it has been a slow go to get to that point. this administration, president biden has been masterful in his engagement with a lot of allies, and the way that he is communicating with the public. i would like to see some more of that. but frankly, there's some other leadership that would have been in the national security community, that is not been as constructive.
and i would like to be a little bit more reflective on the -- and go in with the intention of -- a defeat to russia. >> all right, colonel get ready, because you and i are gonna face a lot of tweaks later this afternoon from people who say, vindman and velshi calling for provocation of nuclear war by russia. because that is, that is how this all plays out sometimes. but we appreciate that you have been committed to this particular, view of what will we should be taking. lieutenant, alexandra vindman is a former director of european affairs for the national security council. i assure you neither of us is interested in nuclear work. he is also the author of an important book called here, right matters. an american story. quick programming note for, you tomorrow night msnbc's gonna add a brand-new highly interesting docuseries called devils advocate. the mostly true story of jivani destefano. the three part series by sky news, exports to subpoenas role as a lawyer representing a who's who of the criminal world from charles manson to saddam hussein. watch episodes one and two of
devils advocate, tomorrow night at ten eastern on msnbc, and streaming on peacock. all right, up next a racially charged situation down south. that has divided a community in mississippi, nbc news has exclusive reporting on the real reason why a school district's first black superintendent was put on leave less than a year into her tenure. into her tenure. into her tenure.
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racially charged situation in mississippi where they were the first black superintendent on leave after she took the year for job for -- adjusting the job for one year. she was targeted for trying to fix a disparities between those who are attended by blacks students and those undone by mostly white students. antonia hilton has more. >> natasha jones is a straight a student at mississippi high. her and her friends have become activists. this question the school board's decision to put the first black superintendent on board a less than a year after she was hired. >> the only thing that was ever surprising to me was the fact that we ever got a black superintendent that brought out all of the disparities, all the discrimination that has been going on. >> was it important to black students to see the first ever black superintendent? >> yes.
>> according to doctor, easy trouble began after she took reigns of the mississippi school district. she describes it a separate and unequal. the talented programming is at the white k-12 campus. and the other one at the base rate schools. >> students that bay springs would take a drug education. people at stringer would take theater. >> doctor easy was concerned about a basic springs of facilities. there was no ac in the school's gym for seven years. doctor easy said that she wanted to make bay springs similar to stringer in building quality and education quality. -- string her parents objected saying that the tenth 20-minute drive was too far. one parent sent her an anonymous letter. >> the parent told me that i was being watched very closely. i had no right to try to make changes. >> when you look back at the
letter was it a prophetic. >> it was. when i was hired i was told don't poke the bear. strangler. leave it alone. >> on march 3rd they called a special meeting and multiple white employees spoke out against her. they said that she created a hostile work intended. black employees spoke in her favor. >> is about race? >> i did not want to be about raced. the facts are that about 20 white employees came forward with concerns about the first black super intendant in the district. >> they voted to put her on paid leave within a termination her email was deactivated in minutes and her office had new locks the next morning. >> hi i am with nbc news -- >> we placed several calls and emails to district officials who refused to provide comments for the story. one stronger parent spoke to us
outside the post office. >> are you surprised that she is losing her job a year into it. >> i think she was causing a problems when she came into it. >> do you think it would've happened if she was a white man? >> no, i think you need to get off the racism thing and get along with the job. >> doctor ezi is still waiting for a hearing. she was replaced by a white superintendent. they hope that doctor ezi will be reinstated but with every passing week, doubts a grow. >> we have to fight to the people who come after us do not have to go through what we went through. >> doctor ezi was put on leave in march and was replaced by an acting white superintendent. she has not had a hearing, she has not received official notice about why the official district i want to remove her. joining me is tiffany cross host of the caught across connection coming up at the top of the hour. it is good to be back on tv with you. on one hand, the story about
doctor ezi is a surprising but on the other side you are from the south and it is not surprising. >> exactly. that is the thing. i'm struck by the students who say that they have to fight today because the people behind us don't want to fight as hard. we were thinking about what we have fought for 100 years ago and the battle still persist. it is exhausting. we did some such a good job on that's story. kudos to her. speaking about those that we are still fighting for, we have a lot to get to on the cross connection this. morning we are going to talk about the new reporting for the gop plan. you talk about it on your plan. we are going to a question the law decision and what federal lawmakers are going to think about it. we cannot be surprised because they are telling us what they want to do. plus, keeping with the theme of fighting ongoing battles that this is the 100th anniversary of congress passing the 19th amendment. it was not ratified until august but, the 19th amendment
gives some women, a white, women the right to vote we are going to look at areas where they are still fighting for equity and playing a pivotal role in the midterm elections. here's something i'm going to be excited to talk about. i don't know if you watched the show, the man use of a code. this is from the wire. this is the 20th anniversary of the wire. a premier 20 years ago this. week i cannot believe! it it is so considered one of the greatest dramas. >> why do you do stuff like that? it makes you feel old. >> i know, i was a toddler when this came out if anyone. knows >> i wasn't. that is the point! >> that show was an instant classic for me. the good thing is, it is 20 years old for us, i watched from the beginning. some people to start watching. there are still people who have not have -- have not seen the wire. they have notions tv street credibility with me. we are going to talk about the creator of the show, assignment. actor, a window peers, will also be an intellectual himself on the show. they will take a bunk on the
wire. we have a lot coming up on the cross connection. i was in makeup, watching the whole time. i hope you stick around and watch a little bit of the cross connection, my friend. >> indeed, my friend. i will. good to see you. i'm looking forward to the show as always. tiffany cross, is right after velshi. stay tuned for that starting at 10 am eastern. as always, it will be a loaded show. a specific type of assault weapon used in awe sexually all of america's amassed readings in recent history, is being marketed specifically to one demographic. it is the same demographic which is committing these mass shootings. this is next on a velshi. s next on a velshi what goes on it. usually. and in it. mostly. here to meet those high standards is the walgreens health and wellness brand. over 2000 high quality products. rigorously tested by us. real world tested by you. and delivered to your door in as little as one hour.
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protecting our kids act will create new federal fences for gun trafficking and purchases and re-raise the legal age to buy a semiautomatic rifle from 1821. it will also provide a sentence to provide a red flag laws which will allow authorities to confiscate guns from those who deemed to be risks to themselves or others. this legislation is being a proposed by democrats and while other moderate republicans have been open to some of those measures it is unlikely to pass in the senate. as they grapple with how to address the rise in gun violence one texas educator is taking matters into her own hands by attempting to hold accountable the maker of the gun that was used in the uvalde shooting. a robb elementary school educator is now the first to file a petition, a court petition, to investigate daniel defends which is the georgia-based company that makes the ar-15 style rifle that was used by a gunman to kill 19 children and two teachers in uvalde.
the priesthood petition seeks to determine if the gunmaker can be sued for how it advertises its weapons. there could be something to that, considering how many of these companies appeared to specifically target young men and equate buying guns with a masculinity. when it comes to firearm maker daniel defense, the new york times report that some of the ad far advertisements invoke popular video games like call of duty and feature star wars characters and santa claus, messages that appeal to teenagers. the potential lawsuit against daniel defenses similar to those against the gunmaker during the sun handy -- sandy hook elementary school shooting. this suit was settled this year. and awarded the victims families $73 million. political reports, quote, the civil courts case and connecticut focused on how the fire arm it during the newtown connecticut shooter was targeted at younger, at risk males in marketing and product placements in video games. in one of ramming things ads, it features the rifle against a
plain black drop with the phrase, considering your man card reissued. >> your man card. companies and many republicans like to say that guns don't kill people but people keep people. this excuse is not hold up when they target a specific an group known to carry out these massacres. the uvalde massacre shooting shooter was 18 years. all six of the nine deadliest mass shootings since 2018 were carried out by young men under the age of 21 which is higher than in previous decades. there is not an easy explanation for why young men appear to be more likely to carry out mass shootings, but predatory advertising by gun manufacturers is worth a shining a light. on after the break, we are going to speak with joshua kosik of, the lawyer who won the sandy hook a lawsuit and branded kirner, the author and contributing editor for wired magazine about how holding firearm makers accountable could be the turn to the gun
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joining me now is brandon kirner, the contributor to the wired magazine and the author of skies belong to us. this is going to become relevant to us. and joshua josh koskoff who achieved a settlement of nine families of the victims of the sandy hook elementary school shooting in a landmark case against the remington gunmaker and it's ensure. gentlemen, thank you for being with us. joshua, let me talk to you about this. how do you make the connection, legally, between advertising that draws on call of duty or first person shooter games or manliness, and things like that, and the idea that people buy these things that commit those crimes. tell me legally what the doctrine is here? >> the legal doctrine is the same as the scientific doctrine,
ally. that is the signs of marketing. marketing is a multi billion dollar industry. why? it works. it causes people to be interested in consumer goods. it causes them to initiate a purchase. it causes them to use it in an anarchy system with the marketing. it is pretty straightforward. i think that it is being discussed. now we raise the issue of young men, historically, gun companies, that they could not reach or promote a product to a young man because of natural barriers and marketing. with the advent of the internet and first person shooter games, this line has been obliterated. this, combined with the promotion of military weapons, is why we are seeing the mass shootings that we see today. >> brandon, you have a completely different. view it is still about responsibility to people in industry and manufacturers, but
you use a magnificent example like people my age grew up watching domestic hijacking in united states. people think of hijacking as a terrorism thing. before that there were hijackings that were frequent in the united states. they were all robberies. the airlines settle them. there was an attitude in the early 70s that there was nothing you could do about it. it is out there and there will be hijackings. planes do not hijack themselves, people hijack. >> that is right. it is hard for people today to understand that there was no security and american airports in the early 60s and 70s. you had 25 or 35 hijackings a year in american airspace. there would be propublica outcry and congressional hearings about this. airline executives and faa officials would go to capitol hill and say there was nothing that we can do. if we would have security there would be destroying the
industry. no one would go on an airplane again. no one will stand for this civil invasion of liberties. people would find ways to get weapons onto a plane no matter what their. was a real sense from the industry of trying to resist any security measure whatsoever. >> and then would happen? what's changed that, brendan koerner? >> then this epidemic of hijackings, they got crazy in 1972 and more. violent there was a big one in november 1972, where three men hijacked plane out of mississippi. they demanded $10 million. they -- it's a did not get it they would crash it into a uranium factor into tennessee. they settled for $2 million. this disaster was averted. at the industry realized, airplane can be used this mass destruction. for this to happen, the lawsuits alone would destroy the industry. they drop the opposition to universal passenger screening. >> now we got magnetometer's. it was the first time, hard to
believe, but people watching the show may believe that there were days walking into the airport and they walked with the right to the gate where there was no screening. the impossible, joshua, changed. the thing that it the industry said can't change, changed. the airline industry did not suffer as a result. it only grew. the gun industry, feels existential to them. if they cannot continue to increase the sales of ar seil weapons -- row not mind us, josh, when i was a kid, they are style weapons existed. i did not know anyone who had one, i do not know anyone who wanted one for their birthday. >> did you even know what an ar-15 was when you grew up? i cannot either. i talked about this last, time ali. this is consistent with what i was saying. we did not know about them because the gun industry did not have access to kids and teenagers like they do since the mid 2000s essentially. they were also not promoting.
the gun industry went from promoting for a mode -- a hunting base to a military base. the ability to promote two minors, two children, and the turn to pivot, or the inflection point towards a military market are what is causing the mass shootings, epidemiologically. you could trace it. it is a direct line. >> brendan koerner, is what happened in the airline industry happened possible? joshua koskoff had one that happen. there are two that are being taken up in uvalde. the parents are holding businesses behind the fire arms industry in america responsible. could the shift that you described in the airline industry, for different reasons, the take place in the firearms industry? >> yeah, certainly. industries all around have a cost-benefit analysis.
airlines, during this epidemic, around the analysis. they said, every hijacking, they lose $50,000 or so. they usually got the money back. usually the hijacker was arrested. they told the pilot to cooperate and that everyone would be safe. we could use a couple million dollars a year for whatever hijackings it might be, but if there is security everywhere, it could cost us untold millions. it was not until the equation changed and then we had a liability oppress that was too much for that to handle that they drop their opposition to security. i think that the gun industry probably operates in the same way. they see the liability issue is going to outweigh the risks. or of the cost of suppressing security and gun control. they are going to make the best decision for stockholders. the liability is the key to all of this. >> joshua koskoff, 30 seconds. if this were to happen were fewer young men by industries and you have schools? >> yeah, if they stop promoting
military weapons to young men and they stopped making it so easy, of course, it would. brandon's point is so good. in the industry, ali, it fights back on change. the change will happen. a lot of people will die unnecessarily but the world does not and for that industry. the airplane industry is a great example, the car industry is a great example, but the gun industry is not as buttoned up, let's say. we will see. >> that is food for thought. brendan koerner is author of the skies belong to, us love in terror in the golden age of hijacking. joshua koskoff it's an attorney for the victims and the families up for those who died in the sandy hook massacre. tomorrow, we are going to have jody polled with her book 90 minutes, a bullying, parenting, a child parent relationships and the reality of a school shooting. it is a heavy get a necessary conversation. pick up your copies and email us your thoughts and questions at my story todd velshi.com.
that is it for. me thank you for watching. come back tomorrow morning from eight to 10 am eastern on velshi. i am no psychic, but i sense nachos in my future while i watch the cross connection with tiffany cross that begins right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ good morning, everyone. look into the cross connection. i'm tiffany cross. as usual, we have a lot to cover this morning, including the january six committee primetime hearings that are coming up next week of course that is the indictment of former president donald trump advisor who found out that he is being indicted on attempt of congress. he is refusing to cooperate with the committee. we have to talk about the latest issue to democracy which is the bombshell reporting from political detailing how deep the political party goes from trying to subvert the midterms this november. and this includes the