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"andrea mitchell reports." boris johnson is out at number 10 downing street, bending to unrelenting political pressure from within his own party. throwing the united kingdom into political chaos. they need a successor until elections are held. his successor will be the fourth prime minister in the past seven years. johnson making brief remarks earlier today. >> we have seen westminster, the herd instinct is powerful. i know there will be many people who are relieved and perhaps quite a few who will be disappointed. i want you to know how sad i am to be giving up the best job in the world. but them's the breaks. >> them's the breaks. in moscow, wnba star and former olympic gold medallist
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brittney griner is pleading guilty to drug charges stemming from that february detainment at the moscow airport. she faces up to ten years in a russian prison unless negotiations can get under way for a prisoner swap. more on the reporting from "the new york times" overnight that former fbi director james comey and his deputy mccabe were both subjected to intensive, intrusive irs audits during the trump presidency. the odds of a single person being selected for that kind of audit are one in 30,000. for two men who basically had the same job, well, it's kind of like winning the worst lottery. certainly raising suspiciouses about the trump appointed leadership at the irz.
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we begin with keir simmons. how are the people reacting to this shakeup? another at the top of their political leadership. >> reporter: there will be those who are breathing a sigh of relief. there will be those who are disappointed because he's a colorful character. there are people and many people who liked him very much. you really saw that character as he walked out of the world famous number 10 downing street behind me to give that resignation speech. you and i have seen a few resignation speeches in this famous street but nothing like this. there was no ounce of contrition. i got no sense of resignation, despite the fact it was a resignation speech. he basically blamed his party for forcing him out, as you played that sound of him
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describing it as a herd instinct. he feels that it's a mistake but that he has no choice. he really didn't have any choice, because so many members of his government had left. it was beginning to be a question of whether he could even replace them, whether he would have enough people in his party. there was a speech in the house of commons -- we have had many stuns moments this week there. a speech in the house of commons by a member of the government reassuring the british people the government was actually working. boris johnson -- listen, people will try to get their arms around who he was, who he is. i will say this, three years in downing street doesn't really sum it up. he has been incredibly influential from brexit to leading the support for ukraine over the war with russia. he really has been not just impactful on the uk but globally. >> what's really interesting is usually when you resign you submit a letter and you see the
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queen, her majestymajesty. he thinks he is going to stay until the fall when the party chooses a successor. is that really going to happen? will he have that choice? >> reporter: exactly. there's debate about that. there's going to be month drama and more of chaos in the heart of the british government, because it's not a done deal that boris johnson gets to stay here until the fall when he will officially resign. he will go and see the queen. the impact of that should not be underestimated. i think there will be folks watching and worried in the white house. to give you one example, as you know very well, the secretary of state is at the g20 trying to deliver a strong message to china and to russia. the foreign secretary, his opposite number in the uk, this crucial u.s. ally, is racing back to london, probably to take
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part in the leadership campaign that will unfold in the coming weeks and months. there's political paralysis in france. now we will have political paralysis in the uk just at this unbelievably unstable time for europe. >> that is truly significant. keir simmons, thank you very much. joining us now is simon magee. it's good to see you. are you surprised by this turn of events, especially considering his extraordinary popularity three years ago when he had a big election victory? this is a surprising turn of events but not because of the recent traubls. >> it is extraordinary. to be halfway through a five-year term, having won the
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largest conservative majority for his party in 2019, since margaret thatcher in 1987, is in itself extraordinary. obviously, he has been the biggest beast in british politics, since the brexit vote, which he won. he became prime minister three years later. he dictated british politics and european politics like no other british political figure in that time. that's all come crashing down, not by losing a general election to the opposition, but by being taken out by his own team. >> was there anything he could have done? he was not contrite in his departure. anything he could have done to save himself? >> well, if you look at the reasons given why so many of his ministers and mps turned against him in the last 48 hours, you will see repeated disappointment
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from people who put their own credibility on the line to defend scandals, unforced errors that actually the prime minister was either party to or had instigated, directly or indirectly. you have this sort of -- this element of a parliamentary party that has gone through with this when it didn't want to. could he have avoided that? you could argue, of course, he could have avoided that. he could have tried to avoid that by being perhaps more diligent on matters of propriety. he could have avoided that possibly by taking measures within downing street to ensure that the rules that were followed across the country, the rules of not gathering to have social parties and other events were followed in his own house. those are ways he could have
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avoided it. let's not forget as well that this isn't all down to boris johnson's character and his flaws or otherwise. there is also a huge leadership element to this. there is a big prize, 2 1/2 years of a large government majority. some people are acting on principle and i'm sure some are acting on principle and something else. >> in terms of the stability of the country, the economy and its foreign policy, what do you see coming up next? >> i don't think there will be, overnight, a very large shift in policy. certainly not internationally. britain, i think, will remain as committed under a different conservative leader, whoever he or she might be, as boris johnson has been to supporting
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and arming ukraine, for example. i think in terms of the economy, i think the world is having to deal with inflation, shortages and the repercussions of two years of covid. so everyone is dealing with these hardships. i don't sense there be immediately any change for any of our partners, including the united states, to be concerned about. >> do you see russia might see this as an opening, the weakening of the western alliance against russia when it comes to ukraine? >> i can't see into the minds of the folk in the russian more than ministry. as you know, they are not the most serious or always truthful
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of commentators and spokes people. they will wish to make some mischief out of this. they will wish to suggest that there is western disunity. i think if anything, the recent g7 heads of government and nato heads of government meetings show a huge degree of unity internationally. whether boris johnson is prime minister of the uk today, tomorrow oh new year i don't think will change na. >> simon, magee, big day in british politics. thanks very much. this historic occasion. >> pleasure. >> thank you. in court today, wnba superstar brittney griner making another appearance in the russian courtroom. her friends, family and fans calling for her to be brought home. will that happen soon? that's next. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. 's next. 's next. this i
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wnba superstar brittney griner pleaded guilty today in a russian court to drug charges. she faces up to ten years in prison. an embassy official was able to speak with her and deliver a letter from president biden. she was seen carrying a picture of her wife who has been speaking out on her behalf. she entered the courtroom, as you can see, her hands handcuffed. griner was arrested in february after russian authorities claim they found vape cartridges in her luggage. president biden called her wife. >> i'm frustrated. i'm frustrated that 140 days have passed since my wife has
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been able to speak to me, to our family and to our friends. i'm frustrated that my wife is not going to get justice. >> joining me now is terry jackson, the executive director of the women national basketball association. terry, thank you very much for joining us. your reaction to this guilty plea? is there some hope this could either shorten the sentence, get her leniency, or even motivate them to begin negotiating? they said there would be no talks on her release while the trial was under way. >> right. andrea, first of all, thank you for having me. you are right, i was in phoenix yesterday. i'm in chicago now. for a tough time for my union members. seeing that there was a plea does make us hopeful that this process will continue to move
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forward. let me say unequivocally that the wnba, all of her union sisters stand with her. we know that russia has its own process. it is unlike anything that we experience or know to be a legal system in our country, in the u.s. knowing that bg was determined by the state department to be wrongfully detained months ago. that that same state department that secretary blinken has said very clearly that the u.s. will continue to work on her behalf to get her home, yes, we are hopeful that this is a process that will continue to move forward. yesterday's rally in phoenix, it was held on a good day. the phoenix mercury did an
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exceptional job. it was held on a good day because, of course, that's the day we heard that bg's wife who you showed had the call with our commander in chief, with president biden and vice president harris. again, these are little things that we are hanging on to and hopeful for forward progress. >> do you know whether anyone in the circle has heard from her today with the decision to plead guilty? >> i don't know. i don't know that. i can't speak to that. i would imagine that she has, but i can't speak to that. >> i know communications have been very difficult. that's been one of the frustrations. the secretary of state tweeted today, he is in indonesia at a g20 meeting, but he tweeted the u.s. embassy officials were attending brittney griner's trial. they delivered to her a letter from president biden. he then goes on to say, we will not relent until all of the
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wrongfully detained americans are reunited with loved ones. there is a group representing all of these other families. there are 66 people being held in places around the world. two of them in russia. the whelan family is concerned they are not getting the attention. they have been trying to get the president to speak to them, to give them an update, a phone call, anything. he has been there for four years. that's got to be very frightening as well. >> it's got to be tough. what we are feeling for bg, let me be very clear, we are feeling for paul whelan's family. we are feeling for detained u.s. nationals everywhere. let us be very, very clear. we say brittney griner all the time because she's one of her own. but we are going to do a better job. i heard trevor reed at the rally
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that sheila jackson lee held in houston. i heard him say so very eloquently that it's time for all of these organizations, all of these supporters, all of the families to pull together in one direction on behalf of everyone, on behalf of bg, on behalf of paul whelan, on behalf of all detained americans. we agree with that. we stand with that. we're going to be better with our language. to paul whelan and his family and to the members -- to the detained u.s. nationals everywhere, your family members, we will get to know your name. we will be better advocates for everyone. we really will. it's just bg is -- like i said, she's one of our own. we are holding her close right now. i do understand the frustrations.
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what i saw in bg's letter, what i heard in bg's letter to the president, she was gracious. she was so gracious. she talked about paul whelan and other detainees. we heard that from so many of the speakers at the phoenix rally. we are all pulling in the same direction. we absolutely are. this is about everybody. >> in fact, david whelan, paul's brother, who has been one of his big advocates, he and his sister, he tweeted now saying, i hope that brittney griner's guilty plea will hasten the end of the injustice she's experiencing. russia won't work to send her home until there's a conviction and a sentence. that is, in essence, speaking in solidarity. >> absolutely. i heard him. i heard him earlier today. i think i had just gotten off the plane. i made a point to stop and
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listen, because we're feeling it for them. i was so appreciative of the words he said. like i said, we're all in this together. >> we are hearing she's facing difficult conditions in jail. can you shed any light on that? >> yes. what we have heard is bg is doing as well as can be expected. when you hear it phrased that way, you know that this is tough. you know that and you are seeing it, that beautiful 6'9" frame is not properly accommodated and supported. you know that she is away from her loved ones. both physically and mentally, this is a struggle. we know her as a fierce warrior and competitor on the court. but we know in our hearts that this is a struggle for her every
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day. the opportunity for her wife to have that conversation with the president and with the vice president and then to express that was just so very important. >> thank you very much. thanks for your advocacy and for being with us today. >> thank you. a second target. police say the suspect in the deadly july fourth parade attack in illinois had another weapon and another potential target outside of highland park. this is "andrea mitchell reports." that's next on msnbc. this and vanguard retirement tools and advice can help you get there. that's the value of ownership.
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after passing four background checks in 2020 and 2021. the state's attorney speaking to my colleague tom yamas overnight. >> he should not have been able to buy firearms. we shouldn't have a single point of failure. we put pressure on the system when we allow for these single points of failure. he was able to get the gun because that type of gun can be purchased legally. that's one problem. >> joining us from highland park, illinois, is dasha burns. this is another american city that's never going to be the same. his father defending the fact that he helped him with that gun license. >> reporter: yeah, andrea. folks here trying to cope with what happened and process the systems failures that you just mentioned there. how this individual was able to commit such a tragedy in his own hometown. today we have been watching as there are vigils and memorial
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sites across town honoring those who were lost. that little boy, the 2-year-old boy who lost both of his parents, some good news. there have been more than $3 million -- just under $3 million donated foraiden mccarthy. i met a man who was at the parade. he was staring at the site. i got a chance to talk to him. he said he came back here to see if he could face it again. he wanted to see just how close he and his family were to the gunman, to the gunfire, he came with his two daughters. they were in the thick of it. he teared up as he was telling me about watching his two girls console another young child while they were hiding out in a local business.
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this is a place where so many people have told me who live here that they have always, always felt safe in this community. they say that that feeling of safety has been ripped away from them. i want to introduce you to olga. she's the grandmother of many children. she was here with about 13 of her family members on july 4th. she told me about what she experienced and what she's experiencing now as her and her family try to deal with this trauma. take a listen. >> there were babies. there were kids. they were sitting on the sidewalk. looking forward to candy. it took away innocence, freedom. my husband keeps hearing the gunshots. he loves his children, grandchildren. to see that happen and to see this kind of horror in the town
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that i never thought i would see. >> reporter: andrea, olga tells me she came here from russia for american freedom, for that freedom that's celebrated here, especially on the fourth of july. she feels like that is now taken away from her and her family, her grandchildren are scared of parades, scared of fireworks, loud noises. they wake up in the middle of the night with stomach aches, talking in their sleep. there are so many victims here. the seven lives lost, dozens injured. the many, many families that are going to be traumatized for the rest of their lives, andrea. >> such a tragedy. dasha burns, thank you. coincidence? two objects of donald trump's ire, james comey and andrew mccabe, facing intensive and rare irs audits. what are the chances of that?
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both were investigating trump and the campaign and the possible russia connections. we will have that coming up. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. up. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc.
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so what are the chances of two trump foes getting audited by the irs? it's about one in 82 million according to a "new york times" calculation. that's exactly what happened to former fbi director james comey and his deputy who replaced him when he was fired until he was fired by donald trump. he was the acting fbi director for a few months. both were fired by trump into the russia investigation. "the new york times" reporting the audits took place under trump appointed irs commissioner charles reddic, who is still on the job. the irs is denying any wrongdoing. reddic said it's done by career
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bureaucrats. the audit cost nearly $5,000 in accountant fees. comey had to send the irs a christmas card to prove how many children he had. mccabe's audit began in 2021, months after trump left office. mccabe reacted to the reporting. >> we were talking about a coincidence that really is almost impossible statistically. it wasn't until i found out about jim comey's audit that i started wondering that this can't possibly be random. >> joining us now is chuck rosenberg, a former senior fbi official and u.s. attorney, and peter baker and former rnc chairman michael steele. chuck, i don't know if you have had that kind of intensive audit. they say it's very rare. for these two men, both of whom
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have the same job and both were on trump's enemy list, to both be audited is a one in 82 million probability, according to "the new york times." what say you? >> well, i haven't had the pleasure of an irs audit. perhaps something to look forward to, andrea. the statistics tell you that this is highly, highly unusual. the statistics don't tell you that it's improper. michael steele could win the lottery. it's extremely unlikely he will do that. he could win the lottery twice. that's a small chance. but winning it twice has happened. it's statistically possible. the only real answer i have right now is, highly unusual, statistically and mathematically. we should turn it over to the treasury inspector general and let that person figure it out. we don't know right now. it would be conjecture. the math looks daunting.
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>> peter baker, this "new york times" report by your colleague michael schmidt is certainly alarming. it is similar to the nixon years. there was an enemy list and people were audited on orders of the white house. >> i think chuck is right there's no evidence in the story that mike schmidt was able to public that suggests this was done as an act of retaliation other than circumstantial evidence of the numbers which are very daunting. however, you have to take into context president trump's very, very clear messages throughout his presidency he wanted to use the apparatus of government to punish his enemies. repeatedly he called on the justice department to prosecute people he didn't like, inclue ing james comey and andrew mccabe. he sought to use the power of his presidency to take action
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against those he didn't like politically. he tried to strip security clearances from jim comey and jim clapper and other former intelligence director i think john brennan, former cia director because they criticized him. he wanted to use his power to take away their security clearance. he showed again and again a willingness to do things other presidents didn't do or wouldn't have done or at least would have been embarrassed to have been caught doing. >> he never considered that there was a firewall between hip and the justice department, which was the case in other parallel instance. michael steele, can something like this hurt the credibility of the irs with americans, not exactly a beloved agency? >> andrea, i was going to say i don't think there's a lot of love between the american people and the irs. i think most americans would chalk this up like, see, i told you.
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i think chuck has got it right in terms of how the statistics play out here. i like that idea of hitting the lottery twice. we are working on that. the reality remains that this reeks of politics than anything else, particularly considering that the irs' own public pronouncements, particularly during and after covid was how far behind they were on audits. audits were not a priority for the irs because they had a shortfall of personnel to do the regular processing of taxes and tax returns. it does smell a little bit funny to me. but i'm not going to keep all the political hats on on this. i will give a nod to the idea of chance of probability and the reality that something was triggered. but it's kind of weird that both men triggered it, approximately
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the same time, coming out of an administration in which they were not liked by the president. i think that this -- it smells a little funny from where i'm sitting. chuck, i want to ask you about the january 6 committee. they are questioning former trump white house counsel pat cipollone tomorrow behind closed doors. how important do you think his testimony could be from what we know from previous hearings about the central role that he was playing on a lot of these critical issues regarding january 6? >> generally, andrea, anybody who was with the president, speaking to the president, understood what the president understood might be able to shed light on what it is the president intended. i think cassidy hutchinson the other day was a very compelling witness. but a lot of her information was secondhand. when you are talking to people who have firsthand information, what the president saw, knew,
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said, understood, those can be important witnesses. i would never predicate a prosecution on one witness. you draw a picture of what the president intended. i would also add one other caveat. we have seen only a tiny percentage of what the committee has uncovered. if they have interviewed 1,000 people and spend four or five hours with each, that's 4,000 or 5,000 hours of deposition testimony. we have seen 10 to 12 hours. you have to be careful. as a prosecutor would want, you would want to see everything, understand everything, see all the depositions, talk to key witnesses before you made any decision. >> give us a refresher as an attorney, he was the white house counsel, which means his client was the office of the presidency, not president trump.
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certain things would be privileged. but he can assert privilege in answer to a specific question and still continue with the deposition. >> you got it exactly right. you don't need me as an attorney. mr. cipollone, white house counsel, represented the office of the president. executive privilege is a real thing. it does exist. certain questions and certain answers might call for privileged information. if both sides are acting in good faith, the committee and mr. cipollone, they can find a path through that. there's things he might have seen that have no implications for executive privilege. other people he might have spoken that wouldn't hold a privilege. there's a panel here. both sides are acting in good faith, there's a lot that mr. cipollone can testify to. >> jack rosenberg, peter baker and michael steele, if you do win the lottery twice, remember your friends. >> oh, yeah. >> right here. thanks to all of you. the pressure campaign
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president biden is under pressure to prove to democrats that he is fighting for them, especially in the wake of crushing defeats at the supreme court. he is facing criticism that the white house's priorities aren't matching up with the countries. "the new york times" is highlighting that. writing that 48 hours after an horrific mass shooting on the fourth of july, president biden flew to ohio for a speech about pension plans. joining me is robert gibbs and an msnb political analyst and mike memoli. mike, is the white house addressing the mismatch between frustrations, shall we say, among some fellow democrats over how he has reacted to the gun decision, the abortion decision, the choreography, if you will, and, of course, the reaction to what happened on july 4th? >> andrea, i would say there's shared frustration inside the
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west wing as they hear this friendly fire coming from their own party questioning whether the president is the right person for the moment. they sort of discount it on one level. this is the same white house staff that was the biden campaign staff that heard that he is not as progressive as elizabeth warren or not as that he is not as progressive as elizabeth warren or not as fiery as bernie sanders, not as young as pete buttigieg and could win the nomination. they discounted, because he won the nomination became the president. dating some of this criticism is a little too in the moment, too knee-jerk and not founded in reality. they knowledge the president has not necessarily been part of the conversation in the way they would like him to. you mentioned present's trip to ohio yesterday. that was just the third standalone trip the president has made outside of washington to promote his domestic agenda in the last two months for part of that is because he has been so consumed by a series of foreign-policy engagements, international summits, someone
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of the americas here in los angeles. that has taken a toll on the president's time and schedule. the white house has been saying so often that he is going to get on the road more, speak more and directly to the concerns of the american people. ohio yesterday was an example of what we expect to see more of. yet another international summit next week in saudi arabia. >> robert, former spokesman for senator bernie sanders who criticized the president for not acting on key issues. thing, i'm not singing have to have a $2000 check to wear around, but you have to do something. what does that mean to you?>> well, i think there is general frustration that is felt among the base that big issues have been decided and democrats, and even the president, are powerless to fix what has happened at the supreme court without a big majority in the senate. every president has a dual role. there the lead of the of the
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country and the leader of the political party they represent. so, that frustration is manifesting itself in democrats not feeling the passion coming from the white house and the west wing. the challenge, of course, as mike and others would tell you, there just isn't a ton that they can do. there isn't an executive order that overturns the supreme court. it is usually met with some exhortation to vote i think the challenge for this white house is there going have to go out and explain what does that vote do and what does it mean? we are voting for what? to take what series of actions? i wonder if the white house isn't looking for a political rally or a democratic party event, a big state party event, where the president can go and lay out what is at stake in this election? and the larger message around what his white house and democrats are going to fight
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against, both in november and in the coming years.>> mike, you now have a switch communications director, such a long time aid gone through the whole campaign. she is stepping down. is that a vacuum that is going to be filled?>> certainly, obviously, you have almost no a complete turnover in the communications, press team within the west wing as you have kate bedingfield leading later this month. jen psaki also reported to be leaving. there is messaging coming from the white house and the messengers it has been interesting, as carol lee and i have been reporting about, some of these frustrations and the lack of the voice of the president speaking to core democratic concerns around abortion, voting rights, guns. we have picked up a recurring theme, it's now the vice president, kamala harris, who has only been able to step in at a key moment. we have seen her take the lead in responding on abortion rights, for instance. she was the one who was in chicago, in highland park, earlier this week and speaking
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to educators in chicago quite forcefully about what she said was enough is enough. teachers should be the ones learning how to barricade a classroom treat a gunshot wound. this is a moment we have spoken so much about, the role or lack thereof, of the vice president in this illustration over the first year and a half. the moment has really found her in the view of the vice president's office the white house has been happy to let her take the lead here and elevate her role. as robert knows, he saw the obama/biden relationship take time to take shape there were some bits and starts along the way. now similar dynamic is playing out in the west wing in the biden/harris relationship as well. >> robert, what you think is the most effective way the white house could deploy the vice president, who has had her difficulties along the way?>> look, i think mike is right. i think they have found a good group here, whether it was putting her out purposely
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around the abortion decision of the supreme court, which is smart, particularly, in the boys of a woman. also, taking advantage of, essentially, scheduling coincidence of being in and around highland park. so, i think anyone else and any communications shop is going to have to be very flexible. you're going have to react to events very quickly. this is a white house that is used to that most lighthouses get use to that, because at this point in your tenure you are use to this stuff popping out and affecting the best laid plan that you have crafted behind closed doors a week ago. i think, continuing to deploy the vice president, members of the cabinet, anybody with a good from voice that can echo the passion that joe biden has on these important issues for democrats. >> i thought it was significant that she went to highland park, illinois. she was in the area,
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but that was very meaningful to people there. i spoke to the mayor the next day. those images are important for the vice president to put her front and center more frequently. robert gibbs, mike memoli, thank you both so much. that does it for this edition of andrea mitchell reports. find us online, facebook, twitter. chris janssen reports starts right after this. starts starts right after this can you guys start calling me snake? no, bryan. -denied. -how about we all get quotes to see if we can save with america's number one motorcycle insurer? approved.
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