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a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters in new york. welcome everybody to alex witt reports. the january 6th committee has subpoenaed the secret service, after homeland security told panel that the secret service erased text messages on the day of the capitol attack and the day before.
-- the next and possibly final hearing set for primetime thursday evening. president biden is on air force one after wrapping up his first trip to the middle east as commander-in-chief. -- the exchange with biden and mohammed bin salman al saud was direct, frank, and open and included president biden raising the issues of human rights and the murder of journalist jamal khashoggi. -- promised the u.s. will remain an active and engaged partner in the middle east. >> the united states is gonna remain an active and engaged partner in the middle east. as the world grows more competitive, the challenges we face more complex, it is only becoming clear to me that how closely the world and america's interests are, with the successes in the middle east.
we will not walked away. and leave a vacuum to be filled by china, russia, or iran. >> milwaukee will likely be the host for the 2024 republican national convention. it now heads to a final reproof of all process, after the gop recommended the city on friday. -- donald trump has signaled he wants to be on that stage as the nominee. telling your magazine, he's already made its decision, the only question is whether to announce his bid before or after the midterm elections. we go beyond the headlines now with nbc's julie chester on capitol hill and kelly o'donnell long distance there from saudi arabia. what does the committee want to hear from the secret service? >> alex, the homeland security inspector general said that the secret service erased text messages that it had requested from the day of the capitol riot and the day prior. in a statement, the secret service said that the inspector
general did not requests those messages until after they were deleted, and what they called a device replacement system. and also claimed that the material that was requested wasn't even included in what was a racist. interestingly, the official secret service policy is that agents can't communicate via text anyway. so it's unclear what would be turned up. but the agency could add a statement refuting the inspector general's account. that inspector general briefed all nine members of the january six committee on friday and hours later chairman bennie thompson issued a subpoena. the first that the committee has issued to an executive branch agency. that subpoena requested all of the text messages, as well as any related communications from those critical days. as it sounds, there is a lot of
confusion around what happened with these messages. but, why is there so much interest? well, the key testimony from cassidy hutchinson detailed a lot of president trump's actions around the presidents and with the presence of secret service, including him angrily demanding that he be taken to the capitol, instead of back to the white house on january six. but committee is really looking for any and all testimony and documents that can help piece together what exactly happened on january 6th and trump's actions or inaction. they are talking to anyone and everyone, including the former -- ceo patrick burn. how is he involved in all of this? he was president at that now december 18th meeting in the oval office, when that committee members have called the craziest meeting of the trump presidency, in which a
lot of the election ideas were being thrown out as to how to essentially, if not overturn, prevent the electoral college count from happening. a lot of waste to investigate voter fraud. even seized voting machines. patrick burns spoke to nbc news after his eight and a half hour testimony with the committee, and teased a bit of what he told investigators. take a listen. >> i was the guy put on the table the range of options for the president. we thought the president had the authority to go forward with the investigation. that was all that it was. about >> burn denies that any crimes were suggested or heard in the oval office, he ted he takes the blame for everything. it was all him presenting these ideas, for example having military member seize voting machines and hard drives, and president trump should not be held accountable for any of
that, as it was coming from him who somehow ended up in the oval office today. alex. >> interesting, julia jester, thank you for the. the president is on his way home after wrapping up his trip to the middle east. nbc's kelly o'donnell is in jeddah, saudi arabia, where the president just boarded air force one a few hours ago. thank you for joining. us the president spent his final day meeting with the saudi ground crown prince and other middle eastern leaders. one message that he sent to them before he left? >> well alex, good to be with you privileged to be on the presidents trip. and to see these other parts of the world. having spent a few days in the middle east covering the president, i hope that the message of what this trip was about comes through in the coverage. you get a different perspective when you are here because you are hearing from the delano different world leaders, and we see how the u.s. fits into the piece of diplomacy that involves the middle east.
-- he wherever he goes, american values goes within, is what he tried to represent. when you listen to the foreign minister of saudi arabia earlier today, talking about how this country feels it has its own values, its own history and that needs to be respected as well. it's an interesting opportunity to see the president in this context of engaging directly with the middle east, which he has done over the life of his career, but this is the first time as president. here is what the president said to the summit of nations gathered here earlier today. >> united states will always promote human rights and the rights enshrines in the un charter. foundational freedoms are foundational to who we are as americans. it is in our dna. -- criticize our leaders without fear of reprisal. have gotten pretty criticism over the. years it's not fun.
but the ability to speak openly and exchange ideas freely is one and locks -- >> and that is the kind of message the president wanted to bring here. of course he talked about in his small exchange with american reporters traveling with them, separate from the conference, separate from with the saudi government action is, he talked about his interaction with mbs, the crown prince mohammed bin salman al saud and talking about the murder of jamal khashoggi. we heard from the foreign minister today but that took place, so they verified it as well. gives you a sense of the differences, because we're so able to a question or, our elected leaders, state and federal, it is different and other parts of the. worlds when president represents those ideas and values and the american presses along with them to cover, that it gives you a different perspective on. it so the trip has been controversial. it has also been an important
time for the president to reconnect and in some ways try to recalibrate some of the relations between u.s. and the middle east of this time and not of the times of the past, which included the iraq war and so forth. it's a new moment with some big issues like oil production and everything else, always on the table. alex >> okay it's good to see. you thank you for the update. safe travels. many see rising gas prices as one driving factor around president biden's decision to visit saudi arabia. white house is playing down expectations of any immediate increases in saudi oil supply. biden says he expects to see relief at the pump in just a couple of weeks. joining me now from jeddah, saudi arabia, is see any cnn omit cnbc reporter -- what is the most biden can expect from his talks with them? what can more oil mean for the
region in terms of gas prices? >> alex it's great to be with. you essentially, what we heard from the crown prince mohammed bin salman al saud was a reiteration for the country's plans to get to 13 million barrels per day on the market by 2027. this is been unplanned that has been in place for a couple of months. now this isn't news. but it is a plan from saudi arabia to increase capacity to get more oil to the market. but by 2027. his message, not just to the united states, but to the middle east countries, oil companies around the, world and even policy makers in the west like in europe like in the u.s., is guys, you've got to get your act together. we need more investment. we need to increase investment, not just in renewables for the future but in all of these transitions feels and in regular fossil fuels as well because this is a process. there's that capital intensive industry. when we make plans, we make
them years ahead of time. it caused a heck of a lot of money. when you have policies that are quote irrational and in some ways hypocritical you have a real problem with convincing folks to put their investment into the longer term. that is what we are seeing today. that's a direct result of the fact that they haven't been investing in spare capacities, countries, government and oil companies. listen to what the saudi envoy for climate change, also the former foreign minister of saudi arabia, had to say. >> saudi arabia is committed to stabilizing international oil markets, making sure the markets are adequately supplied with crude oil. we do that by consulting partners to assess whether there is a need to bring more oil onto the markets. we have been doing this for the past 9:10 months, increasing supply's, as the market warrants. our policy of seeking stability in the oil markets has been in place for decades. >> when you think about what happens next, come september,
that protection agreement, opec plus with russia comes to an infant, do you anticipate that we're gonna see more oil on the table when that happens? >> assessment will be made based on the what the market needs are. if there's a market, need there will be steps taken to taken to ensure those record needs are met. >> that was the country's former foreign minister. he's now the climate envoy. essentially the equivalent to john kerry figure in this john kerry figure in the saudi government. in some ways these positions alex are totally interchangeable, because this is a petrol dollar economy. is the largest economy in the region. saudi arabia is carrying the bag for countries like lebanon in egypt, countries that don't have the ability to withstand a volatile energy situation, what is happening between russia and ukraine, and the food situation. saudi arabia has a major partner not just for the united states, but what happens but
for the broader middle east. they basically have to be willing, be able to support other countries in the region. as a direct result of these higher energy costs, i do want to mention that saudi arabia is gonna run a budget surplus for the first time in a decade. that means dave a lot more money to put back into the real fossil fuels as well as renewables. they're not just gonna only energy of today, they're gonna on the energy of tomorrow. it's a story have been covering for ten years or. more it is very interesting. one of the reasons united states has to continue to have a hotline to riyadh. >> you always get the important interviews. i thank you for bringing that clip and that perspective on the global scale. you take it to us and were able to figure out how it's gonna relate to us here at home. thank you so much for that. meantime, for all of, view the case of a ten-year-old girl from ohio has become a flash point over the debate over abortion. but will republican abortion bans backfire politically? we're discussing it next. backfir
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indiana's attorney general. he publicly raised questions about whether a doctor follow the law. he provided care to a ten year old rape victim from ohio. the doctors sent a cease and desist letter to the general. they demanded that he stop smearing the client. this issue could have economic implications for midwestern states. >> it is very scary right now. the abortion provider in indiana did everything right. this is my point with attorney general yost. he would do the same thing here in ohio. he was going after these doctors. we are, in the midwest, we are raising these issues. these are economic issues for our state. do you think women from 20 to 40 years old are going to want to live in a state where they can't even get full health care?
>> i'm very happy to say that she is back. this is msnbc's lindsey reiser. you are following the developments. what are you hearing? >> doctor caitlin bernard's attorney, in a letter yesterday, she asked the indiana tierney general to stop making false or misleading comments about dr. bernard. he was casting her in a false light. if he continues to do so, his statements may form the basis of a defamation claim. let's back up until you a little bit more about the history here. 27 year old, this is a man from seven -- he is from central america. he admitted to the horrific crime according to prosecutors and court documents. a judge set his bond at $2 million at an arraignment on wednesday. it was first reported on any indianapolis star. dr. bernard spoke out after the girl had to travel from ohio to indiana after ohio's heartbeat law took effect after roe v. wade was overturned last month. this was highlighted by abortion rights activists. they discuss the dangers of ending the constitutional right to abortion. before news of the arrest, republican call politicians
doubted the girls story. todd went on fox news this week declaring he was investigating the doctor. let's take a listen. >> we have this abortion activist acting as a doctor with a history of failing to report. we are gathering the information, we are gathering the evidence as we speak. we are going to fight this to the end. that includes looking at her license. we are going to see if she failed to report. in indiana, it is a crime for not reporting, intentionally not reporting. >> nbc news has since retain the terminated pregnancy report from the indiana department of health. it shows that it was reported within two days the procedure. in a statement to msnbc yesterday, her employer, i you health, they found no evidence of wrongdoing in their investigation. here is what the attorney told nicole wallace yesterday.
>> all right, it does not sound like we have that. she essentially reiterated that they were sending the office a cease and desist letter. her client, dr. bernard, she had been getting a lot of threats. i got a statement today. like any correspondence, it will be reviewed if and when it roe arrives. regardless, no false or misleading statements have been made. alex? >> lindsey, thank you so much for that. we are continuing on right now. i am joined by abigail tracey. the national political reporter with vanity fair. this is out of the jail's latest headline. this shines light on the draconian restrictions. abigail, what about this case might mobilize ohio voters to turn on republican governor mike dewine? >> yes. we are looking at this case. it obviously has been such a flash point in the broader debate about abortion.
one of the things at the root of this, the law of in ohio was never a question. people raised doubts about the story itself, the story of the ten year old. we have seen at that story was one hunted percent true. it has been proven. and arrest has been made in the case. but law in ohio was never in question. a ten year old would have no exceptions to get an abortion after six weeks in the case of rape or incest. any child under those circumstances would not been able to get an abortion in ohio. that has not been a question as we watch this story unfold. or we are really looking at is a provost roe v. wade world. -- a lot of people are really looking at the state level. they're looking at these governor races. look at a place like pennsylvania. look at ohio. the governor is going to be the
final person who signed any law -- in 2019,, mike dewine was the one who signed the six-week heartbeat ban into law back then. it was put into if that once -- people are really looking at those races and sort of seeing them as there is last work against some of this draconian legislation. >> draconian laws, they are taking effect in many states around this country. i am looking at is quote from an indiana lawyer. he said that he wished the ten year old ohio rape victim would've understood the benefit of having the child. ten years old! every time i read outline, i have trouble processing it. >> yeah. >> before this tragic case in ohio, you heard about democrats in wisconsin who are setting their sights on senators ron johnson and his record with women. one of the prospects for democrats there? >> yeah. ron johnson definitely has a
fight. one of the things about ron johnson is that he has come back in the dead politically multiple times. it is gonna be a tough race. i think there's a lot of energy in a place like wisconsin. wisconsin is another state where they have these bands. i was speaking with an abortion provider yesterday. they are from wisconsin. she has had to stop all of her work in terms of providing those services specifically. she has been traveling to illinois to help with the demand that she is seeing in that state around abortion where it is still legal. it is becoming contentious. people are looking to these key races. that wisconsin senate top targr democrats but they want to flip >> you have the looming abortion rights and pennsylvania. in fact, vice president harris we need to. of all of these senate races, we need two more.
pennsylvania can help contribute to that. -- >> explain why joe biden is concerned. it is very closely aligned with the foreign of the party. >> yeah. pennsylvania has really become, you know, -- joe biden won in 2020, trump won in 2016. it is very much a purple state. it is a key state when you look ahead to these next elections. again, in all, as the seat in wisconsin, the senate seat in pennsylvania is also a key target for democrats this year in the race between doctor oz and don john fetterman. pennsylvania, much like ohio, they have red state legislature that has passed a number of bills that would limit or ban abortion in the state.
the current governor, governor wolf, they have detailed that legislation today. in the race, we have two very different people. you have dog mastery on no, you have josh appear. ojok appear as lumberton and abortion rights activist. we have seen this come of this. he will signed this into law. he has a plot of the ruling. he has a plot of the fall of row in the wake of it. >> okay, used answered my question very clearly. abigail, thank you so much. good to see you. why does the majority of the republican parties still support donald trump? that is the question at the top of the mind for many as the january six hearing unfolds. we are going to talk about it after the break. are going to talk about i after the break.
watching the january 6th hearings, at any point over the course of the previous administration, you may have found yourself thinking something along the lines of, why does the majority of the republican party still support donald trump? in a new book, thank you for your servitude, mark digs into exactly that. we are taking a closer look at the devoted republicans who enabled the former president despite knowing better. these are the ones who could have prevented donald trump's hostile takeover of the party but didn't. joining me now is mark, an msnbc political contributor, a staff writer for the atlantic, and the author of thank you for your servitude donald trump washington and the price of admission. mark, before i get to my questions, i have to tell you how much i enjoyed your book. i enjoyed your reaction to the many outrages during donald trump's time in office. it was a page turner, it was hilarious at time.
it is terrific. i can't recommend it highly enough, honestly. the boat takes a somewhat different approach from others about trump. you are trying to analyze trump and his actions. good luck with that. you are examining republican fans who did his bidding law contradicting their own conscious. they were calling trump crazy, they were rolling their eyes behind his back. mark, can you share some of the most egregious examples of that? who? what they did? do you know why they did it? >> great question. i want to emphasize the point you made earlier. i did not sought out to try and write another trump book. i was not looking for a series of the newest bizarre anecdote to come out of the oval office. i'm not going to do any better job psychoanalyst in why donald trump does what he does better than anyone else. i was mostly interested in the people around washington, the elected officials.
the kevin mccarthy is the mitch mcconnells, there are lindsey graham, the ted cruz is, -- all of them know better. all of them speak critically about trump. they could've stopped this. they could have stopped days after the election. certainly after january six. yeah, it keeps going. the central prevailing dynamic about gop's sick of in situ donald trump. they all know better. lindsey graham got reelected. -- they want to keep everyone happy in the trump world. he wants to be speaker of the house. this is an old washington tale of self interest in self perpetuation. he doesn't make mistakes any lower. it doesn't mean that this journey that he has taken, or retaken, it is not any last depressing. >> self interest, you hit the nail on the head right there. so, you write from a vantage
point. you have a seat in the former trump hotel lobby. sometimes you're in the bar, sometimes in a steakhouse. you talk about the comings and goings of the trump acolytes. you call some of those, a former d.c. c list, are they briefly vaulted to be lister's during the administration. there are people like kellyanne conway. how was the reporting during the administration? >> yeah. the trump hotel, where it was open for business. maybe five years. it was through 2021. it was really the center of washington in the early trump years. it was between the white house and capitol hill. you would have republican members, republican senators. they were coming through there. white house officials were there. journalists would hang out there to. i would see a lot of my colleagues. we could pick up all kinds of stuff. anyone who wanted to please the boss would sort of be seen at the trump hotel. they would spend a lot of
money. the president would be pleased when the president and his people were spending money at his office. there is a side hustle right down the street. i would hang out there a lot. trump himself would come in. he would go to dinner at one place and washington. he would go to the trump hotel. he would get a 40 ounce tomahawk steak, shrimp cocktail, french fries. he would have a diet coke and java cake for dessert. same thing every time. he would come in and there will be an applauded entrance. people be standing on tables. he will be waving. it would be like this weird paparazzi. mister president, when you eating tonight? he would say, steak. he would have a big departure. people would applaud. it was right out of the banana republic in some ways. it was the center of washington. the seeing has played out. it is gone, he is gone. it could come back at any moment. >> was there someone? was there an event? was their conversation? you might have just described an event. was there something that you
write about in a book that you never dreamed would happen? >> just the sort of blatant, these sort of pain of the president of the united states. members of the republican party, political action committees, yeah, you could win immediate favor with the president of the united states by spending a lot of money at the trump hotel. that is an admission. official's date, senators did, congressman date. it was pretty desire. to me, that was over the top. not just for an administration that wanted to drain the swamp, but it was egregious by washington standards. >> interesting. have you heard anyone from inside of the trump world about the book? >> i am glad you went after this person, that person. i'm glad that you left me alone. you know, it has been all positive. i have not heard anything otherwise. look, it is a fun book as well. >> it is. >> despite all the misery, it is good. i am all for it.
>> we are reliving some things here. i really can't believe that happen. thank you for reminding me. quickly, i read interviewee you said you believe donald trump can be the gop nominee in 2024. you believe that he can win. >> absolutely. >> how the january 6th hearings change your mind on that. are they having an effect on republicans? you read about it in his book. republicans only went along with trump to create favor. they seemed weekend by these hearings. >> you would think. nobody thought that caviar was going to survive after the election. nobody thought he would survive after january six. it is not like anybody was going down to georgia to kiss jimmy carter's ring in 1980. i think he still has a stranglehold on the party. his supporters are still all over him. if he wants the nomination in 2024, it is his. a lot can happen between now and then. he has to be a strong front runner. you know, the democrats have all kinds of problems.
president biden has all kinds of problems. getting into a general election is, you know, who knows what could happen? this is not over by any stretch. >> mark, the book is called thank you for your servitude. i have written my name here so no one can steal it. i will find it if someone tries to. i loved it. >> if someone does, i'll get you a new one. >> thank you. i appreciate it. the january six hearings in a series of other big stories in this country have over shower the ongoing war in ukraine. up next, the tragic story of a foil gülen ukraine. it brings it all sharply back in a focus. now we continue tracking mass shootings. so far, just halfway through this month, there have been 42 of them in july. we are taking the lives of 32 people for the year. 361 people have been killed as a result of 339 mass shootings. illed as a result of 339 mass shootings
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some -- aly joins me now. welcome ali. that is that city tragically where the four-year-old was among those killed, that young little girl, what are you hearing from survivors? >> the russians say that the use precision weapons to target military installations, but there's nothing military about this town, except the name of this building. it's called officer's house. but it's a concert hall. it's where parents bring their kills for dance classes. this attack, this tragedy has really devastated this community here. of course, one of those tragedies is the death of a little girl name lisa, she had ounces durham. she was on her way to a speech therapy class with her mother when she was killed on the spot. you can see people have made an impromptu memorial. devilish flowers, teddy bears and chocolates in her memory. we spoke to one lady whose house was blasted in that rocket attack. she came running out and she
was confronted with lisa's lifeless body. take a listen. >> [interpreter] when i went, out côte d'ivoire i saw a terrible picture. there was this child there with this baby carriage. i cannot express what i saw with words. [end of translation] >> alex, lisa's mother is now in the icu. she is just regain consciousness. and she keeps asking, where her treasure that her daughter's. the doctors in the icu are too frightened to tell her that her daughter has died because they are scared but the shot by due to her. it is absolutely devastating with the russians did to this very close knit, small community where everyone knows each other. everybody is talking about lisa. >> you know ali, we talk about numbers. you take a story like this and
the fact that you've shown this woman who went out there and found the lifeless body of that precious four year old girl. there are so many people that are also victims of this violence and of this war. they are going to have to live with the heartache and the memories. you have to just wonder how people will be able to rebuild when you carry this kind of a bird in the rest of your life. >> it's funny you asked that alex. he was talking to this first responder if she was one of the first people on the scene. we were doing an interview with her. we go through the mechanics of what a first responder does, and i asked, or how do you feel? and she just completely broke down. she was crying. she says i have two little children. i don't know how to deal with this. she's going to have to live with those emotional scars her entire life. she came and she hugged me after the interview. she was just devastated. she goes, i don't know how to explain this to my children. i don't know how to live with
this kind of tragedy. unfortunately alex, you hear this with person after person that you talk to hear. they have ruined a generation of people here who've had to go to the frontline and the people have left behind have to deal with the misery that i haven't seen before. >> you have seen a lot my friend. we've had you on this show from all sorts of devastating places around the world. ali, i don't know how you do, it but i'm glad you're here for us. thank you so much my friend. after seven january six hearings, just one of the chances now that donald trump could be indicted? we are talking about it next. indicted? indicted? we are talking about it
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tonight 8 pm eastern on msnbc. >> developments today about missing secret service text messages which could provide more information on what happened on january six. they won six committee issued a subpoena to the secret service yesterday about the text and to be each other on the day of the attack and the day before. -- the racing test from january 5th and sixth after his office requested them. but the agency says a device replacement program was responsible for the deleted messages. a spokesman for the secret service rejected the claim saying, the insinuation that the secret service maliciously deleted text messages following a request is false. in fact, the secret service has been fully cooperating with the department of homeland security office of the inspector general -- when msnbc legal analyst. good to see you my friend.
there's been so much interest in the secret service actions, their communications after cassidy hutchinson testified about that heated exchange between donald trump and the agent you refused to take the former president to the capitol on january six. another point of interest is around vice president pence, refusing to go with the secret services when they tried to get him out of the capitol. -- >> when they are absolutely evidence. there are two concerning issues here. number one is whether these missing text messages cooperate cassidy hutchinson's explosive testimony that trump assaulted a secret service agent to try to make them to drive to the capitol on january six. the other issue is whether deleting these texts was an honest mistake or, on the other hand, some -- an attempt by some people inside the secret service to protect trump. now this is an interesting
thing. there are people inside the secret service who can answer those questions. -- this is the first time that the house has subpoenaed an executive branch agency. the secret service works team for the biden administration, so we could forward the agency to cooperate expeditiously with the investigation. the house panel can also work with forensic investigators to work to see the text messages could somehow be recovered. >> part of tuesday's 16 hearing focused on trump's tweets who said it was statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 election. big protest in d.c. on january 6th. be there, will be wild. -- members have they were inspired by that message and the violence was not spontaneous as some. claim did the can deter committee -- the actions of the rioters and
donald trump. that is so one of the implications of that? >> what we have learned from the house panel is that the insurrection was not some kind of white collar crime. committed on paper. an email. it was a violent, bloody attempt to overthrow the government of the united states. the justice department prosecuted more than 700 people. it's the largest federal criminal prosecution in american history. the people targeted so far have been the footsoldiers. the house panel has focused on donald trump, and the house panels evidence objects that the insurrectionists treated trump's tax as marching orders from their commander-in-chief. so the question for mayor eric merrick garland is whether he's going to go after the footsoldiers but not the general. >> if the committee is presented enough evidence for merrick garland to go after the president, not just the
footsoldiers, what kind of charges could he face? >> i think what we have heard from the committee is about conspiracy to overthrow the government, which is sedition. also conspiracy to defraud the united states, all of those bogus theories about fake electors. we've also heard sedition, which is the most serious charge. it's the biden administration and merrick garland's decision and what president trump is doing now is trying to play garland by speeding up his announcement about running for president. then if trump is prosecuted, he says will last as the biden administration going after me, trying to help biden win reelection. merrick garland should not fall for that. at this, point the cost of not prosecuting trump or greater
than any cause of prosecuting him. the trump is not held countable in criminal court, the message sent is that a president can commit the most serious crimes in office, even sedition, and get away with it. garland does not want that to be his legacy as attorney general. >> look, no one should be above the law. thanks for the. chat appreciated. next, it is becoming must-see tv for millions of americans, in a moment to re-airing of tuesday's january six hearing. tuesday' ♪ and your truck's been demolished by the peterson boy ♪ ♪ yes -- ♪ wait, what was that? s mber... [ sighs heavily ] when owning a small business gets real, progressive helps protect what you've built with affordable coverage. this is the gillettelabs with exfoliating bar.
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