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>> as we begin a new hour, two republicans offering master classes in misogyny. congressman matt gaetz of florida insinuating advocates to -- whoever worry about needing an abortion. as a gop candidate running for lieutenant governor of minnesota, warns abortions lead to women having careers, and questioning of women as if they should have the right to drive. his democratic opponent, the current lieutenant governor of minnesota, our first guest. plus, the house can pass bills to protect same-sex marriage, all day long, without a willing senate, and a supreme court stuck to the right. what will it take to protect much equality? chase strangio he's here with answers. and the attorney general facing immense pressure to act on the droves of evidence, dug up by
the 16 committee, hinting at criminal acts by the former president and his posse. mark garland says no one including trump is about the law. well, is he about to prove it? this is american voices. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> we begin this hour with the misogynistic politics of the republican party. well, sexism is nothing new in american politics. the lasting effect of trumpism continues to fuel absurd attacks against women. this weekend, in a conference for young conservatives, florida congressman matt gates called abortion rights protesters, disgusting, and unattractive. and said, quote, nobody wants to impregnate them. now, it's not surprising and matt gates said this. he has said something like this before. he will likely do it again. and what i generally don't like to reward the congressman from florida with the attention he clearly so desperately craves, which was striking to me was the cheers from a crowd that
reports to be the youthful future of the gop. this behavior, a move right out of the trump playbook, calling women nasty and slobs. republican lawmaker lawmakers have learned they can not only get away with this behavior, they can be lauded for it. in a newly-released video from june, matt burke, a republican candidate from lieutenant governor of minnesota, central productive rights advocates are simply playing, quote, the rape card. >> one of the arguments that probably saw 20 times online today was about rape. and you know, obviously, i don't go to the right card. but wait was obviously a horrible thing. but and abortion, it's not gonna heal the wounds of that. and two wrongs is not gonna make a right. our culture loudly but also stealthily promotes abortion. they are telling women they should look a certain way. they should have careers, all these things.
>> so, not only did brooke at that moment for wanting to have a killer, he even joked, women should not be allowed to drive. joining me now, democratic opponent minnesota's lieutenant governor, peggy flanagan. and lieutenant governor flanagan, this isn't just rhetoric, right? republicans are actively funneling this misogyny into legislation, into judicial change. what is your message to who say, well, these comments are just joke? >> well, i don't think it's very funny, and i think that there are women across the country who don't think it's funny, because these jokes, right? they're actually their policy proposals in practice. let me be really clear, that, you know, when a woman the science to have a career, much like her decision as to when, and if, to start a feeling or to have a child is not none of
the republican party's business. i cannot believe that in 2022, this is the conversation that we are having. and it's the mom of a nine year old, i'm horrified. it's completely unacceptable. >> right, especially lieutenant governor, flanagan, because we are living through an economic reality, where most households need both parents, if there are two parents, to be able to work just to make ends meet, right? and these republicans, they keep pushing the envelope at rallies. they are rewarded by cheering crowds. what does that tell you? does it tell you we have a deeper problem than just a failure of leadership? this is not just members of congress and people running for political office. >> i mean, what it tells me is that people, that these republicans are disconnected from the lives of real people. here in minnesota, 51% of our workforce is made up of women.
so, if women don't participate in the economy, our economy completely falls apart. and let me tell you, i'm a lieutenant governor. and i'm also a mom. and there are lots of women who are able to have a career, and successfully, care for and raise their families at the same time. so, you don't have to be 100% pro-choice, to understand that this rhetoric around simply questioning whether or not women should have careers, or really, be fully functioning members of society, you know, this is something that we should all be deeply worried about, because it, again, it's just a racing woman from this conversation completely. >> yeah, lieutenant governor, we've talked about the rhetoric. and as i think, you and i, both agree with this becomes especially dangerous, is the way this plays out and policy.
so, you have new reporting from the associated press this weekend, featuring northern minnesota's only abortion clinic, which as i'm sure you know, is bracing for more out of state patients. it reads, quote, today, the clinics employees are acutely aware of their states status as an island of legal abortion in the upper midwest. abortions now, illegal, were treated as such in wisconsin and south dakota. north dakota is expected to follow suit in late july, and iowa's republican governor is asking the state courts to severely limit the procedure. i wonder from where you sit how you envision minnesota's role in this post-roe landscape? what is it going to mean for health care providers, for minnesotans. >> so, governor walz and i are staunch supporters of the right to choose. and we will continue to ensure that we protect access to abortion in the state, for minnesota citizens, and for
anyone who comes here. i will tell you that as minnesotans, we believe that we must be good neighbors of that, that means that we shovel your driveway when it snows, or we bring you a hot dish when you move into the neighborhood. we're also gonna make sure that you can have access to abortion. we know that we are an island in the midwest. we will continue to be. the providers, we recently had a conversation with providers across the state, who have told us that they are saying a 25 to 30% increase in patients who are seeking abortion care. so, we will do everything in our power to continue to ensure that people have access to abortion. and alicia, if you are, if your viewers are interested, if they want to help us out, they can go to our website shop ensure that abortion remains protected here in minnesota for ourselves, but also, for our neighbors here in the midwest. >> when you talk about doing everything in your power, to make sure that it continues to
be protected, can you give us a sense of what that means for you, as lieutenant governor? >> sure. so, it means, first of all, that we are one election away from losing access to abortion in this state. so, our plan is to win, so we can continue to protect it. but also, the governor has introduced an executive order that will protect people who come to minnesota to access abortion care. and we also want to ensure that providers, who provide that care as well, we will be protected. those are some of the things that we can do, but we really know that there's a stark choice between scott johnson and matt burke, and governor walz and myself, when it comes to this issue. they want to ensure that they are outlying abortion, even in cases of rape or incest. that is disconnected from the majority of americans, and i
think that we've heard, you know, the rhetoric, it's actually imagining matching the policy. >> minnesota lieutenant governor, peggy flanagan, thank you so much. next, the attorney general has a lot to think about. will the doj act on the potentially criminal behavior revealed by the january 6th committee? plus, motivating a mob. a new harvard study puts the blame squarely on you know who? nbc's ben collins is here to tell me why this study is want to pay attention to. but first, to richard lui, who is standing by with a look at the other big stories we are watching this hour on msnbc. richard? >> thank you, alicia. officials in the bahamas said 17 people were killed when their boat capsized early sunday. that boat was carrying haitian migrants and an infant was among the dead. 25 others were rescued. search and rescue efforts are still underway. preliminary information, suggesting here, 60 people were on board, trying to reach the florida coast. california's oak fire now
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[ ominous music playing ] it's here. are you ready? let's go baby! [ screaming ] what happens next? you'll know soon enough. >> with a genuine six committee hearings on hiatus until september, the question now, what does the doj and attorney general merrick garland do? we have learned a lot from the committees eight hearings about the planning that would january six, the attack itself, and the attempt to keep donald trump in office. garland has been relatively
silent on the hearings into last week. in a memo, the ag reminded prosecutors to be careful investigating political candidates during an election year. and then, at a press conference, we went on to say, he promised that no one, even a former president, is above the law. joining me to discuss, jill wine-banks, msnbc contributor and former assistant watergate prosecutor, betsy woodruff swan, and this nbc contributor and political national correspondent. joe the, atlantic is out with an article this week, saying the criminal case against trump is getting stronger. do you agree after what you've seen in these hearings? >> i do. there was a lot of evidence before the hearings began. there is a lot more now. it has gotten to the point where, an investigation is mandatory. it is not optional. there are gaps that have to be filled, because various crimes contained individual elements that must be proven.
and so, the department of justice has to go through each and every one of the potential crimes, everything from presidential records act, so the federal records act, which by the way, also includes a disqualification from holding future office as does the insurrection statute. so, those are two that would have not just criminal consequences, but could have consequences for being able to run for office. and there are many other crimes that have been revealed, not just the ones in georgia, and in the district of columbia, all of the federal ones. and manslaughter as well. so there's a number of things that could be prosecuted, that need investigation, and that i am confident that the department will not fail to do, because doing so would really be the end of democracy, if anyone is above the law, and that investigating would make someone above the law. >> betsy, congressman adam
kinzinger, of course, a member of the 1/6 committee, one of the two republicans on the committee, said earlier today, he believes there is evidence of crimes. and it goes all the way up to trump. is he sending a message in saying that to the doj? >> there's no question that the members of the select committee think that there needs to be an investigation, based at the justice department, targeting trump himself as an individual. the question about sort of the technicalities of whether or not to make a criminal referral, formally asking the doj to bring charges against trump is something kind of the side lines, and not really itself the key issue for the committee. the key issue for these numbers, being that they believe they've found evidence that merits, at least, a criminal investigation targeting trump. what we know is already going on is that the justice department is engaged in a wide ranging probe that's touching on a host of people who are just one degree of separation
away from the former president. the way targeting jeff clark, who of course was a senior doj official, who tried to move forward within the department to help advance trump's plan, but was really a watershed moment for people close to the former president, because it showed that this wasn't this doj probe wasn't just focus on people who are hats, or people in the strait of georgia, but rather that's very much zooming in on the crime size of the events that led up to january six. >> but see, here's the thing. there's the court of law, which is a lot of what we are talking about. there's a lot of the court of public opinion. it strikes me that you have the wall street journal and the new york post, both owned by rupert murdoch. they have come out with op-eds this week, condemning trump's actions on january 6th, with the latter calling him, unworthy to be president. again, i wonder, how significant do you think that is? >> it's incredibly
consequential. these are two papers that have enormous sway on the right. the wall street journal, in particular, his substantial influence over the republican donor community. the people who would be in a position to fund a trump campaign as well as major high stakes down ballot, republican races, people who read the journal's editorial page, and take it really seriously. now, trump himself, of course, has a small dollar donation engine that's very much separate from the wall street journal's readers. he'll be able to raise money for himself, no matter what, but the people who are in his orbit, whose influence he's still cares about our reading of pets like this. they are reading stories like this. and to see the durham journal come out with such unequivocal criticism of the former president, it's a really big deal. it's not a mystery in terms of the way that murdoch's media tweaks the former president. >> jill, you often remind me
that the quest for accountability is happening on multiple tracks. we know there's an investigation in georgia into trump's plot to influence the election results. do you think we are gonna see the results from this investigation before doj? >> they are moving quickly there, but the doj, we don't know how much they've already accomplished. we know what kind of processes they have available. they can get much more information than even the january 6th committee. they have many more ways to get that information. and it could be quiet. right now, it doesn't look like doj is acting quickly, jamie raskin has expressed his frustration at the speed that it's going. they both are important. there are so many crimes involved, and you know, you can argue about his one quick conviction better than having all of the cases. you know, it's not an inconsistent thing to say, you
could indict him now for one crime, and then, keep investigating, and add additional crimes. there are, you know, the general conspiracy statute could cover this. the seditious conspiracy isn't one specific conspiracy, but it's just a general conspiracy to the to defraud the u.s.. the records violation are much easier and faster to prosecute, and those would have a significant impact. and much like the january six committee, or much like the watergate committee, it changes public opinion when people see that kind of action. in watergate, the support for richard nixon plummeted, as the facts started coming out. and you can track, if you had a chart, as the information came out, this is what happened at all plummeted, in direct correlation. and the same thing is happening here. you can see politically the republican support has
diminished for donald trump, as a result of, i believe, the very clear picture that congress has painted of the information that they are pushing for the public right now. those hearings have been very effective. >> right. even the polling that shows that there may be republican voters who still -- there are more people have reservations about this being the candidate in 2024. betsy, the other big news coming out of this sweet. congressman zoe lofgren, confirming secret service agents, tony ornato, bobby engle, who cassidy additions and testify where witnesses to trump irate behavior in the presidential suv. they have now hired private counsel. what do we know about this? >> we know that the lawyer for the agent who was driving the suv that carried trump from the ellipse to the white house is represented by zac cho willing or. he was a senior official at doj, and headquarters during the trump administration, and also senate confirmed as the u.s.
attorney for the eastern district of virginia. that's one of the most important u.s. attorney's office for the justice department, and irregularly deals with poetically sensitive probes, complex national security probes, to really somebody who has had a very deep level of trust from the most senior doj official, well trump with an office. under the last name sounds familiar, it is also the sum of the lawyer for mark meadows. it's actually a very well connected republican lawyer, and the fact that he is now represented representing the suv driver is just simply quite notable. we don't know exactly what it means, but with suggests that the suv driver perhaps as well as these other secret service agents, had a certain level of discontent, frustration, disappointment, with the level of legal representation that they were receiving from the secret service his own internal agency council. the fact that these people have felt they need to go outside
secret service and either pay out of their pocket for lawyers, or five other people who could help pay those legal fees are fees. suggesting that there is some real friction between the leadership of the secret service and we will have to acknowledge what happened with trump on january 6th. >> jim, what does that betsy just laid out signal to you? >> of course, everyone is entitled to have their own lawyer, but government officials who in the course of their jobs do something that leads them to investigation, have the luxury of having a very good representation, generally speaking, from either their own agency or the department of justice. the fact that they are not comfortable with this could mean that they feel that there is a conflict of interest between various interests, and that of the agency. and that is concerning. i think betsy is quite correct. it's concerning to hear about this development. and we don't know exactly what
it means. they are important witnesses. we know the difference that it's made in cassidy hutchinson's testimony, when she was being represented by someone paid out of the trump funds, to someone not paid by them. she suddenly had more information to share. and i'm hoping that maybe that could mean this. on the other hand, the connection to the administration after willier means that maybe, there isn't that big change. so, we're gonna have to sometimes say, you know, you're gonna wait and see what happens. you can't predict it. but, as betsy said, it is notable. >> lots of waiting to see. jill, but safe, and you both so much for being with us. ahead, the mobs motivation for the generous committee, showing donald trump was a driving force and a new study backs up that claim. first, is marriage equality next? there are new fears that the ultra conservative supreme court once drop more americans
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we'll gb to curates. they want to take away the contraception. this is the opening a pandora's box to actually taking away rights. this is the first time a constitute for rates have been digging away. i always say they come for me today, they're coming for you tomorrow. >> that was congressman barbara lee today on msnbc. warning of a potential dark future for the supreme court. overturning the right to reproductive freedom, justice clarence made one thing clear. he wants the court to reconsider decisions to guarantee the rights to contraception and same-sex marriage. the good news is, congress is already moving to protect marriage equality this past week, the house passed the
respect for marriage act. voting parades same-sex marriage protection to federal law now heads to the senate. joining me now to discuss is the deputy direction for transgender justice for the aclu's lgbtq and hiv project. chase, we spoke about a month ago. in new york. you told me you are not convinced that gay marriage is next. you are brilliant legal mind. i decided not to go to law school. explain why legally you do not see this happening. >> well, first, i want to be extra clear that i think everything is under threat. it's not that i think we should be -- it's not that i think our constitutional rights are safe and secure, but i do believe we need to be vigilant and the supreme court is very willing to undo long-standing and even short standing precedents. there are lots of reasons to be concerned. that said, i think right now you could even see in the house vote, you have 47 republicans
voting for a bill that would repeal the defense -- allow for some recognitions of marriages across state lines. former republicans that voted for protecting access to abortion and contraception. i think that we have to recognize in many ways the fight has always been -- when that has support in the general public at the moment. not to say, that public support translates to legal winds as we've seen with abortion, but i do believe that for -- their disk indistinguishable. and for reasons that there is conservative demand -- it's not imminent that it's going to be overturned in the supreme court. that said, all of these rights are under threat, we should be absolutely mobilizing and organizing to ensure that our long-standing constitutional protections are secured. >> i want to pick up on what you said. there's new reporting from the new york times this weekend. it reads, quote, since the
supreme court decision last month or returning anti gay rhetoric and calls to rollback establish lgbtq protections have grown bolder. they appear deeply divided about same-sex marriage. that's what you just said. many republican officials and candidates across the country have made attacking gay and transgender right a party nor in this mid term season. in texas, attorney general said after the role reversal that he would be quote willing and able to defend at the supreme court, any law criminalizing sought to me enacted by the legislature. before that, the republican party of texas adopted a platform that calls homosexuality, quote, an abnormal lifestyle choice. i wonder what you make of this rise and anti-trans and anti-gay rhetoric? especially it's not just rhetoric. it's also a call to action. >> absolutely. we've been seeing the escalation of anti-trans rhetoric for years. years before the universal of
roe, that's been escalating and people are rightly concerned how we are going to see increased for motivation -- increased criminalization of access to health care, as we've already seen in the context of actions by texas attorney general paxton, and abbott, as we've seen the alabama legislature, the arkansas legislature. we are in a situation where there are hundreds of bills across the country already targeting trans people. there is an escalation against violence against lgbtq communities, and the rhetoric we're seeing from attorney general paxton, we are seeing from, others escalating a call to criminalize and a vigilante violence against lgbtq people. especially in the context of our access to bodily autonomy and sexual freedom. i think i want us to be very tapped into the fact that when we are seeing these types of attacks on people's self determination and bodily autonomy in the context of reproductive rights, those are -- from the assault that we are going to and have seen against
lgbtq's peoples rights to access, health care, to be able to live our lives freely and openly. >> chase, he also made the argument to my team that this rhetoric is not just coming from the far-right. >> i mean, unfortunately, i think the conditions that have been laid in this country to attack trans people have been coming from the right, the far-right, and from the center left. unfortunately, we have seen time and time again every election season, people legitimizing the idea that somehow debating trans people or supporting trans people is a way for democrats to win elections. that is categorically untrue. if we think back to 2016. meet when democrats win an election in 2016. was governor cooper in north carolina, running against governor -- who was a republican [inaudible] it is not just politically that advice touch throw trans people under the bus.
it is simply reinforcing a far-right rhetoric that ultimately has -- not only to the entire lgbtq community, but any community that is seeking bodily autonomy and freedom from state violence. i caution all of us as we are engaging and leading up to the 2022 midterms and and that politics -- and ultimately it contributes to the discrimination and violence are communities are continuing to face. >> as always, we appreciate you and your time, chase. next, the mob mentality on january 6th where a new study says about the force behind the attack, and why matters now. behind th behind th attacklutely. sensodyne sensitivity & gum gives us the dual action effect that really takes care of both our teeth sensitivity as well as our gum issues. there's no question it's something that i would recommend.
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following trump's orders. new harvard university study shared exclusively, nbc news, analyzed 417 january 6th rioters who were charged in the attack. they found that support for trump and the big lie where the most common motivating factors for why they join that mob. with me now is ben collins. he's a senior reporter for nbc news. ryan riley is a justice reporter for nbc news. guys, when i saw both your names on this byline, i knew that i needed to speak with both of you. ben, i want you to talk to us about how this study adds to our understanding of exactly would happen on january 6th. >> alicia, for most people like, this of course trump in instigated this thing. and foreign media, and a lot of this country that is not how it is viewed. it's important to get this down for the historical record. it's important to use, if you're going to prosecute the former president, the top two
things that were cited by people who stormed the capitol that day, in their own court documents, in their own charging documents, by the way, this is not hearsay, it's not guessing. it's with the study looked into, where donald trump himself expressly told them to be there in their, warrants or the election was stolen. donald trump told us to be there to try to do something about it, basically. number three was civil war secession. deep down the list, i was there. it's almost the same exact number of people who are there who literally just cause a general violence. this was a violent mob. they were pushed at the behest of donald trump. >> ryan, in the study, over 20% of the defendants said they write it out of support for former president trump. another 20% said they rioted because of the former presidents claims of rigged
elections. support for trump, a support for the big lie. talk to us, ryan, about how those two ideas have become intertwined since the 2020 election. >> yeah, these are constant things -- he's cases continue to turn over every week for the most part. we see cases missing, we see felony cases against individuals who stormed the capitol or who assaulted officers outside and they're expressing that idea over and over again. just from my own anecdotal experience, whenever one of these individuals gets charged, i sort of go -- before he gets pulled out and scroll out and look at what they were posting. just the russian conspiracy, the election conspiracy. after a lot of unseen fingers and right-wing media that you see. in case after case individuals -- it is, like been said, someone of -- it is also interesting just to get hard numbers to be able to
say look, in these cases all these individuals are saying for themselves on the record, whether it be sharing their interviews with the fbi or be in their peak documents that this is why they want, they're almost -- almost every one of them comes through with some line about -- to attend the stop the steal rally. there's very rarely a case for someone who just showed up at the capitol directly. they all came here for that. the president told him to go to the capitol. that's what they did. a lot of these fbi interviews and court documents believed trump when he said i'll be with you at the capitol. apparently, trump actually did -- that's when they believed. they believe that when he said the election was stolen. they believed they believe donald trump was going to join the capital mob down there on january 6th. >> i want to circle back
something you said, which is the third most common response in the study. rioters thought they were participating in, quote, revolution, civil war, or session, 6% listed, quote, a general interest in violence. what does that tell, you've been? >> these were angry people ready to fight. that's what you saw a lot of out of both, the proud boys, the militia groups. the oath keepers. they were ready to go. a lot of these people had plans to go fight that they. alicia, and stern thinks thing at the time, i was on all the extremist forms at the time. they were listening to the speech that donald trump was giving at the time. they were angry at donald trump. i thought you guys want to give proof of a stolen election. this is all the stuff that you've been talking about for weeks. and in that speech, he was talking about oprah a couple of times, and the militia groups are like, why is he talking about oprah? i thought we were here to fight. so, in realtime, this backstop, this data backs up what we knew at the time. these are really angry people who thought they were gonna get a silver bullet, and they
didn't get it. they didn't get that magic bullet that allowed them to, you know, storm the capital and impunity. >> ryan, i've got about 30 seconds left. but i do want to ask you. revolution, civil war, secession, a general interest in violence, how does that square with the way the doj is now addressing political violence? >> well, you know they brought sedition conspiracy charges against some of the high-level individuals. but the case highly distinctive, that really alternates this, danny rodriguez, a trump supporter who drove a sun gun into the neck of michael fanone, and explain exactly why he went to the capitol, it's because the president was calling on them. he said he thought he was calling for help and it was gonna save america. so, i think that he made a pretty stark statement in terms of what this mob was all about, alicia. >> ben, ryan, thank you both so much for being with us. next, how identity and mental health fit into the national debate on reproductive rights. new york times bestselling
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mexican daughter was published in 2017, less than a year into the trump presidency, or he singled out -- and now, in your new book, you talk about your abortion journey, and it comes at a time when abortion rights are being challenged and revoked. what do you, as a writer, as an artist, see is the relationship between writing and the politics of the moment that we are in? >> well, first of all, thank you so much for having me on the show. i am thrilled to be here speaking with you. well, i think that writing is a very powerful tool to inform, but also, to move people in different ways. and so, i'm right because it's what i was meant to do, primarily, writing about the proof, even when it's unpleasant. and one of those things i write
about, as you mentioned, it's my abortion, which was an incredibly terrible time in my life. but i am certain that the procedure saved my life, because i was experiencing one of the worst depressions i've ever experienced. and so, it's really critical that women, whoever, have access to abortion, whenever they need it. >> you know, one of the things, the many things we want to dive into ingraining the bathroom, is your own battle with depression. throughout your life, you really walked us through what. and i wonder when we talk about mental health, when we talk about mental health crises in this country, what do you think it is we get wrong, and what it is that we miss? >> i think, oftentimes, people believe that mental illness is some sort of choice, that you can snap out of it, that you
can you know, fix your illness, if you try hard enough. and think positively, you know, drink toxins -- you know, it's just not the truth. it's an illness that really takes over your entire life. and you need a medical specialist to determine what it is that you will, you are suffering from. and to get the right kind of treatment. so, i think, oftentimes, there's this idea that you need to just suffer through it, and maybe, go to church, or speak to your pastor. but that is just not how mental onus works. >> crying, there's a section that i love. you're right, in the section, it's not that i believe myself to be fake or unworthy. it's that i question whether a person like me will be allowed to live the way they choose. and i have always known that
there were something special about me, apart i want to share with the world, but my fear was that the world wouldn't see it, or wouldn't care. >> erika, you have achieved a tremendous success. you are doing the thing that you have believed you are destined to do, since you were 18. what would you tell someone who feels the same that you once felt, but the world sort of wasn't ready to accept you as you are? >> but you just have to make the world ready. you just have to live a loudly and proudly, and be who you are, and take up space, and live with integrity because we live in a white supremacy we live in a weird misogynists culture. so, we need to just defy all of those notions, and be who we are at all costs, and help others, also on that journey. >> erika sanchez, bank you. as always, if you like to know your perfect mexican daughter, you are going to love her new
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today for this weekend. thank you so much for being with us. i am alicia menendez. you can tune in next weekend for more american voices. same time, same place, six to 8 pm eastern. for now, i handed over to many has and who has a big show tonight. hello, many. >> hello, alicia. i'm back from vacation. it's always good to come back from vacation with a big show. did i miss -- you did anything happen while i was away? >> nothing. no. you'll catch up really quickly. >> there's not much going on in american politics, is there? have a great rest of your night. we are going to talk about what is going on. lots going on. tonight, on the mehdi hassan show, senator josh holy cheered on the january 6th insurrection. -- one of the biggest architects of the big lie. why hasn't he been expelled from the united states senate? plus, kimberly crenshaw, one of the cofounders of the critical race theory joins me to explain
what it really means and why the right as demonizing it. congressman -- targeted by some nasty political -- it is behind them in. why congressman joins me live to discuss? this week, when joshua david holy junior, one of the chief architects of the big lie and the new cardio king secured would convince be described as main character status in american politics. it's an honor that is not entirely new just in the last month in fact. suggesting that trans people don't exist during the senate judiciary committee hearings. this time, however -- not for some bile he spewed, but well, take a look. >> as you could see in this photo, he raised his fist and solidarity with the protesters. re