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>> we went into overtime, the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. , thnto overtime 11th hour >> tonight, breaking e new report that the justice department is indeed investigating the actions of the former president over his fake electors game. an investigation set to include phone records of his closest allies. and then you email evidence joint insiders knew exactly what they were doing. then, as republicans split over the former guy and his former vp, could democrats be in for some big wins despite a complicated economy. as the 11th hour gets underway on this tuesday night. here we go. good evening once again, i am stephanie ruhle. we begin this evening with bombshell breaking news from
the washington post. the post reporting the justice department is investigating former president trump's actions in its criminal probe of efforts to overturn the 2020 election. the paper reports, quote, prosecutors who were questioning witnesses before a grand jury, including two top aides to vice president mike pence, have asked in recent days about conversations with trump, his lawyers, and others in his inner circle who sought to substitute trump allies for certified electors for some states to that joe biden won. in addition, justice department investigators back in april received phone records of key officials at aides in the trump administration including his former chief of staff, mark meadows. earlier tonight, our friends
carol leonnig broke down some of a reporting and describes what federal prosecutors wanted to know. >> what we learned is that they are asking most of their questions at least so far, about donald trump. the questions are overwhelmingly are, what did donald trump tell's lawyers? what did donald trump say to you? what's it donald trump say to mike pence? and those are questions asked in the very serious and formal environments of a grand jury. a grand jury that is preparing, as part of a criminal investigation, for the possibility of charging people with crimes. >> what's is not news, attorney general merrick garland has come under a whole lot of growing pressure to act as a january six committee reveals more details about the efforts to keep trump in power. and just hours before this latest news broke, garland sat down with our own lester holt and he discussed the departments work. >> we have been moving urgently since the very beginning, we have huge number of prosecutors and agents working at these cases.
>> you said in no certain terms other day, nobody is above the law. that said, the indictment of a former president, perhaps candidate for president, would arguably tear the country apart. is that your concern? as you make a decision down the road here, do you have to think about things like that? >> look, we pursue justice without fear of failure. we intend to hold everyone, anyone, who was criminally responsible for the then surrounding january six, for any attempt to interfere with the lawful transfer of power from one administration to another, accountable. that is what we do. we don't pay any attention to other issues with respect to that. >> so donald trump were to become a candidate for president again, that would not change your schedule or how you move forward, or don't move forward? >> say again, that we will hold accountable anyone who is criminally responsible for attempting to interfere with a transfer, legitimate lawful
transfer of power from one administration to the next. and i mean it from the bottom of my heart. the only pressure that i or my prosecutors, the agents feel, is the pressure to do the right thing. >> anyone means anyone. also today, the new york times reporting that the previously unseen emails showed trump campaign officials knew, knew that the slates of fake trump electors that they were setting up where just that. fake. lawyers working on the plan made it clear, they knew the fake electors might not hold up to legal scrutiny, and this was all in writing. with that, let's get smarter with the help of our lead off panel tonight. phil rucker, pulitzer prize -winning deputy national editor of the washington post. former u.s. attorney joyce vance who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor, she is also a law professor at the university of alabama. ryan riley joins us, justice reporter for nbc news. and we got so much news tonight, we've got a fourth panelist. our friend matt miller is back,
former chief spokesperson for the department of justice. phil, i've got to start with you, your paper is reporting, we have not yet confirmed, trump's actions are now under investigation. what does that mean? does that mean trump is under investigation? >> well, stephanie, it means that federal prosecutors as they pursue their criminal case into january six, and the election, the fake electors scheme, are scrutinizing investigating former president trump's actions, his words, his communications with his lawyers, and with allies and others in his inner circle. this has become clear through recent testimony, or rather, recent questioning of people before a grand jury. where prosecutors have asked hours of questions about what was trump saying, what was trump directing, trying to understand trump's motives, and his actions.
so he is, or rather his actions are being scrutinized by prosecutors as part of this criminal probe. that is newly-reported tonight in the washington post, it's not something that we have known about publicly. and this has been a very opaque process as you know. very little has come out about the doj investigation, relative to the house select committees investigation that has been playing out in these televised hearings. and so this is a new sort of discovery about the investigation at the department of justice. >> i think we are just not used to an administration that doesn't leak so much. joyce, i hope you wore your merrick garland decoder ring tonight. i want you to put it in perspective. how big of a deal is what we just learned? >> while it's a big deal, stephanie, and it's part of what's merrick garland i think has been trying to convey to the country in his very restrained doj speak. you are right, we sometimes
need a decoder ring, but you and i have this conversation around january 5th of this year, when merrick garland gave a speech that spoke very loudly to people who have that decoder ring. he talked about being willing to talk to people in the matter who they were and whether or not they were present on january six of 2021. and that suggested to me that he will be willing to look at people not just the folks who overran the capital, but the folks reaching up to trump, and his inner circle. he seems to have confirmed that today along with this tremendous reporting from the washington post. >> he sure did, matt, it was not an accident what merrick garland said. he did not rule out charging trump. have some people underestimate it all of the department of justice has been doing? and merrick garland as the ag specifically? >> i think. so look, i think there has been a great deal of frustration at the senior levels of the department. they obviously feel the pressure. i think they get frustrated,
rightfully, when they see people saying they are not doing enough. especially when they see former department officials who have been in the department and know that oftentimes, the departments work is invisible to the public. you can't see the ducts legs moving very fast under the water. and so i think they have been frustrated with some of the criticism, and i suspect that this report broke and the post tonight, they were a lot of people inside the departments, saying see, we told you to trust us. we are taking care of this. and i suspect this investigation has probably been zeroing in on the former president even earlier than the post was able to report. if you look at the activities that have become public the last few weeks, the search warrants that were served on john eastman, and jeffrey clark. subpoenas that went to people you know, closer and closer into the inner circle of the former president. and then finally the appearance before the grand jury on friday of senior aides the former vice president. that was the sign that this investigation really has
escalated, and i suspect you will see more and more people from the white house and the inner circle of the former presidents going to that grand jury in the coming weeks as this investigation continues to escalate. >> let's stay on that ryan, because those two former top aides to mike pence, we are not talking about speaking to the house select committee, this is not just some congressional hearing. they spoke to the grand jury. how significant is that? >> it's very significant. and you know, not to undermine it all, the washington post is fantastic reporting here, and obviously journalistic jealousy is very big into what i'm about to say. there was really snow on the, ground and the washington post was able to report that it snowed last night because you had a situation where there was evidence of than testifying, marc short testifying for example before the grand jury. and mark short is the only reason you call him into a federal grand jury is a testify about systemically what we are talking about here. that's the only information that he would have that is up significance. so this is a big step forward
and i think matt is right in terms of the doj being very revealed this is out. because there has been this public pressure on the doj, the sort of go further and make a public announcement of this. but of course, you saw garland's words were very measured. within the bounds of what he was allowed to say. he wasn't going to go outside of the rules. that is what merrick garland is sort of all about. about following the protocols, the doj, stephanie. >> but ryan, it is a big deal. i get that there is snow on the ground, and they reported that it is snowing. guess what, former president trump has been lying or pushing the big lie for months and months, and months with no consequences. so when there is definitive reporting around it, that is a big deal. >> oh yes, it's huge. again, all kudos to them. they nailed it. i think the hints were there, and they were the ones who were able to actually nail this down. so all credit goes to them for nailing this down. but there has been a lot of hints about this in the months leading up to it for sure. >> joyce, we do know that these two top aides of mike pence spoke to the grand jury, i'm
not saying that's not a big deal. but we cannot assume that just because they testified, they are incriminating trump in any way? >> so i think that's right that we don't. no -- we don't know >> joyce. >> i think that is correct. we don't know what takes place in front of the gradually. we don't know what specific questions are asked and answered. but there is this notion that a federal grand jury is used to nail down evidence that is critical to our prosecution, one of the things you worry about as a prosecutor, as a witness, who might go south on you, when you are in trial and you need that grand jury transcript that is a written record of testimony that they gave under oath. so you use this for important issues. and when we are talking about mike pence's chief aides, his chief of staff, and his legal counsel, we know these folks were previewed of conversations where for instance, that they
fake electors schemed was discussed. where pressure was imposed on mike pence by the former president to try to interfere with the smooth transfer of power. so these are those key sorts of questions you would put them in front of a federal grand jury to ask them about. and it seems very likely, consistently with the post reported that this questioning focus on the former president's role in these games. yes there is other information you might get from these two in the grand dreary. but the important thing that we should be focused on tonight's, is the confirmation that federal prosecutors are looking at donald trump's role in what was a scheme, a conspiracy, to interfere with certification of the election. >> not just as allies, not just his team but donald trump himself, his role. phil, explain this to us. your colleagues at the polls are reporting that the investigation is moving along two separate tracks.
what are they? >> well, stephanie, there are two separate tracks but it is unclear according to our reporting, exactly whether any charges could be brought. it still is an early stages of this investigation. so while they are focused in their investigation on finding out answers to questions about former presidents actions, and what he did and what he said, as opposed to others around him. we are not at a stage yet, according to our reporting, where they any charges that are being contemplated, being brought forward. >> joyce, how much more pressure is mark meadows under? he has not, we have not heard from him. he hasn't spoken in any of the hearings that we have seen. yet we learned that investigators got their hands on his phone records. is the pressure not mounting for him to speak up? >> mark meadows has been awfully quiet lately. perhaps quite on this timeline that follows the disclosure of many of his records to the january six committee. and we don't really know what
his status is. phil makes a very interesting point. which is that just because a grand jury is investigating, you can't automatically assume that there will be indictments, and what sorts of charges will be brought. but one thing that prosecutors often use a grand jury to do is to go through intermediate steps before they might get towards the people most culpable, most responsible for a crime. and so it is a safe assumption that people like mark meadows would also be in the grand jury sites if they are looking at the conduct of donald trump. >> let's talk about covering ones tracks before we go. matt, what do you make of this new reporting from the new york times. that trump campaign officials, some of whom were lawyers, actually put their fake elector schemes in writing? >> i think it tells you, first of all that those are lawyers who would never want to hire to represent you. and the second thing, >> might
not be lawyers much longer. >> yeah, that's right, it is again revealing about the behavior by all of the people involved at the scheme who all throughout, were incredibly reckless about the facts. were incredibly reckless about the law. showed no concern at all for the impact on the country. and at the bottom, maybe they knew that this game that they were trying to perpetrate was against the law. and these aren't the first lawyers to have admitted that if you remember, john eastman, when he sat in the oval office, was forced to admit on questioning and argument from mike pence's lawyer, that his scheme was not actually legal. so you have all of these attorneys who were trying to put together this game to steal an election, that they knew was not legal, and if i were any one of them, i would be very worried about the gran jury looking at my behavior next. >> me too. joyce, matt, ryan, phil, don't go anywhere, this news is too big to leave there. after the break, we are gonna talk about the political fallout from tonight's bombshell reporting, what it means for the former president
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that we have presented that the former president bears responsibility. his hands are in this and i presume that the department of justice will be thorough and will find even more evidence we have found. >> we are tracking this breaking news with our panel. still with us phil rucker joyce vance, ryan reilly and matt miller. you fill you've covered all four years of the trump white house wrote two books on it but he obviously didn't get reelected. he survived other investigations to impeachments. does it feel any different? >> you know, i don't think we can assess that right now. certainly, i think a lot of people would assume that trump is never going to end up in jail, he'll never get caught, you'll never face consequences for some of the things that he's done, but we can't always leap to those assumptions. the house committee for example in the hearings for the last two months have laid out in
very plain english and frankly on live video and real world examples some pretty damning examples of trump's conduct in the run up to january six and the degree that he was involved in inciting the deadly attack on the capitol. it's unclear how far the justice department will go with this investigation. it's an important revelation that they are investigating trump's actions. that doesn't necessarily mean that they are going to charge him, but they could charge him. we just don't know at this part, but certainly there's a lot of growing amount of political pressure on the attorney general and those around him to be very aggressive is a conduct the probe. >> the stakes could not be higher. joyce, i want to share one
former senator claire mccaskill had to say about this investigation. >> there is a risk to indicting a former president in terms of what it does to this country. but i believe in these circumstances, the risk is so much greater if they let this guy go. >> joyce, describe how high the stakes really are. >> the worst risk we run if trump is never held accountable is that his failed coup attempt becomes the dress rehearsal for the real thing. this is someone who was demonstrated that he presents an ongoing threat to democracy and someone who didn't have any regard for the oath of office he took, someone who didn't believe that his personal conduct was risk constrained by the rule of law and someone who even in the last couple of weeks had been urging elected officials, this time a state house leader in wisconsin that he had indeed in fact won the 2020 election. if he is not stopped and held accountable, he continues to have the ability to operate. so those stakes are very high. clearly at this point that i know is on the minds of the folks at the justice department, we don't want to become the tin pot dictatorship country where
former leaders are routinely prosecuted. that's not the aspect for a healthy democracy. but what trump did so far exceeds the bounds of common decency, it strikes at the heart of the democracy itself, and that's kind of conduct that merits what we are seeing tonight. very serious investigation and a determination about whether it should be prosecuted. >> a very serious investigation that finally the american people have really gotten some insight into, and watching merrick garland tonight sort of unflappable and what he had to say. matt, all that we saw, all that we learned tonight do you think that could change how the public is viewing the justice department and their handling of january 6th? >> i think it could, both the leak and something that the attorney general said. i thought there was one thing that he made very clear for the very first time.
these concerns that some people have that prosecuting a former president would tear apart the country or somehow take us down the road of a banana republic. that's not a consideration the department is making right now. he was very clear in response to that question from lester holt, that they are gonna make this decision based just on the facts and the law. it's not to say that it's an easy decision. i don't think we should assume that charges will be brought, they may be brought, they may not, the former president will have strong defenses for any of the charges. but what they're not gonna consider is whether he deserves a special status because he's the firm former president. listen i agree that we shouldn't be prosecuting every formal process president, but there's one simple ways for them not to break the law. no one ever worried about barack obama being prosecuted,
because he didn't embark on a crime spree while he was in office. if presidents break the law while they're in office, they deserve to be held accountable, just like any other american citizens citizen, and it is somehow given them a free pass encourages the lawbreaking in the oval office. >> not adhering to a peaceful transfer of power after a free and fair election is a fast-tracked a banana republic. ryan, i know you're also covering the hundreds of criminal cases for these insurrectionists. give us the latest. >> these cases are on going. even last week's steve bannon was being convicted at his trial, there was another trial ongoing for a case against a rioter who stormed the capitol. he was convicted, his excuse that he brought to the jury was
-- once again another individual was sentenced to five years, it's tied for the longest sentence of any january 6th defendant to date this is an individual who attacked sergeant gonell who was vehement at a lot of these hearings. sergeant gonell i talked to him today he didn't impact statement before the court. this wasn't an individual who was severely injured mr. gonell but he did take a poll and was hitting him with it and luckily sergeant gonell was able to block it with a shield but later suffered some injuries from another rioter. that sidelined him. he was glad to see that the version. >> all right, thank you all for joining us tonight. busy busy night come around here. busy busy night around here. coming up, mike pence says he and the former guy may differ on focus and urged unity among republicans. but is that even possible? our political experts are here to break it all down when the 11th hour continues. ntinues.
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>> speaking before a crowd of young conservatives, the former vice president was making his case for a united republican party. but i want you to listen to this very divisive message now coming from some members of the gop. >> the church is suppose to direct government. not the opposite way. the charge is supposed to influence government. >> we need to be the party of nationalism. and i am a christian, i say proudly. we should be christian nationalists. >> perhaps mike pence didn't hear what his former lieutenant had to say about matt gates. i want to discuss all of this bring pulse democratic strategist cornell belcher, he's an msnbc political analyst, and our friend michael steele, former chairman of the national committee and former lieutenant governor of maryland. mister steele, how much longer can republicans kind of ignore
what is going on with trump, and this investigation? >> oh, all day, all night, into next week, next year. there is no limit to how long they can ignore anything that has to do with donald trump. i mean, that includes the vice president. i think he is missing a moment here where he can make a declarative statement, he was on the tip of the spear on january six. he stood his ground, he held firm and two to the constitution, tell that story! this party is divided as hell! morey, boelburg, and no! we are not christian nationalism! really? you are gonna go talk about that if you are running for president in 2024? come on, stop it! it's just this name stupidity that we sort of wallow in that somehow you got one group that thinks that oh, if we don't look at it, it goes away. and another group that thinks
well, if you just make the stain bigger, if we make the sound uglier, more people will join us. it's just -- >> all right. >> it is banality at this point. >> well you know who didn't look at donald trump today? fox news. cornell, fox news aired zero minutes of former president trump speech in d. c.. the first time he returned to d. c. since january 20th. they aired 17 minutes of mike pence. what does that tell you? >> that tells me that the least some of the elites on the right are beginning to sour and come to their senses. but as steele knows better than i, the elites and then there is the grassroots. and as of june, you still has 70% of republicans who don't think that biden is a legitimate president. and i dare you say that if you look at those republicans who
vote consistently in republican primary, it probably closer to 90% that don't think that he is legitimate president saying, you see the problem bearing out even if republican crime trees and with wyoming, and liz cheney. once upon a time, a name like cheney was solid conservative republicans. good luck beating a cheney in a republican primary. but now because cheney is in fact going up against trump, you see what is happening. she's probably gonna lose that election by double digits. so i think it is interesting that the elites are beginning to sort of try to turn the attention away from trump. but i think that you got a long way to go before the grassroots of the republicans and this maga movement abandon him. and they don't show any signs right out of abandoning donald trump, or abandoning the idea that the election was stolen from him. >> but i still don't get the coming to their senses, argument, michael. if mike pence is saying, the only thing different between me and donald trump is his focus. the maga agenda doesn't get you
elected to the white house. if you've noticed, joe biden won, not trump. what's mike pence's path? >> now, what is his path his path is through a trumpify base. and he is trying to have it both ways. he is trying not to offend people close, but not so close that this stench and the stain is not easily removed, you know should he, you know leighton strike and he gets to the primary and convince the rest of the country that he is not like the very folks that he has been kowtowing to. and that is the problem with the elites. you know? the fact is, y'all made this soup. y'all made it! and now you just don't get to look at the soup on the stove and see it spoiling say oh, well we don't want anything to do with that. no! your kitchen, your soup, you made it! now you are gonna have to eat it! you just don't get off of trump that easily, six years after
the fact. i'm sorry. from the wall street journal, to everybody else who is now sitting there back stroking and acting like, oh my god! how did this ever happen?! we can't be with this guy! dude, you created this monster! this is your puppy! deal with it! >> well they are not serving that soup in the current white house. and i want to talk about the current president. because president biden is on the cusp of some potentially really big wins in congress. on prescription drugs, on chip manufacturing, on protections for marriage equality. cornell, will democrats finally figure out how to brag about some of these hard earned accomplishments. because we see trump for four years, brag about a whole lot of accomplishments that didn't even happen. [laughs] >> i would like to say yes, but probably not. >> why!
>> it's like herding cats. >> they got problems! [laughs] >> it's like herding cats. but here is the fundamental problem. someone in social media who is focusing on social media point this out to me today. if you look at the social media and the messaging coming from 30 democrats and elected democrats, you will see 30 different messages a day. you look at republicans, and you will see maybe two or three things they are talking about. and if you look at some of the most harsh criticisms, of biden, hasn't come from necessarily republicans. but has come from other democrats. they are always tripping and piling on on what he has not yet done. i will argue that right now, and stephanie, i don't think there is a magical -- and i work for guy named obama who pass a lot of things in 2008 2009. and still got details with him in [inaudible] all things a magical number of
legislation, a piece of bills, that makes it okay, while democrats are gonna be okay because they pass this number of bills. i do think they need to have a unified message and particularly for younger voters who look. they are very frustrated, and if you look at where biden's job approvals has dropped off the most is quite frankly with the millennials who progressives need in order to win elections. and those millennials are disappointed that a lot of things that they saw, that they were marching for, have not been passed. we gotta have a conversation with them about why those things haven't been passed, and you know what, a conversation about two more senators, in the united states senate. we can actually move some of those legislations move some of that stop. but stephanie, the biggest, you know the biggest enemy of democrats are fellow democrats who won't stay on the message and are on television every day, you know, talking down president biden. >> they win the game and they don't know how to do a
touchdown dance. they might have to learn. gentlemen, there are so much more i want to cover but unfortunately we are out of time. cornell belcher, michael steele, thank you both so much. coming up, congress searching for the solution to america's gun violence epidemic. we will ask a former firearms executive what he intends to tell the house oversight committee when he testifies tomorrow. the 11th hour has a lot more to cover. rrow the 11th hour has a lot more t cover.
i want to ask you about mass shootings. we've seen far too many, and some people strong right-wing or extremist philosophies. how do you intercept those people before they shoot? >> that is the most difficult question in a democracy. we have to respect the first amendment. we can't just troll the internet looking at what everyone is doing. but we have joint terrorism task forces. >> members of congress are also trying to answer what the attorney general called the most difficult question in a democracy. tomorrow the house oversight committee will ask ar-15 manufacturers about their role in americas gun violence epidemic. for the first time in decades, the house judiciary committee has advanced a bill to ban assault weapons. the democrats and republicans clashed before the party line vote. >> the assault weapons only purpose is to kill people
efficiently. >> there is fast and with attacking american second amendment liberties. >> we are paying for these weapons of war on our streets with the blood of our children, sitting in our classrooms. >> they are coming for your guns, they are listing them out in this extensive legislation. >> they say that when we argue for removing weapons of war from the streets of america, we're actually telling them to repeal the second amendment. mister chairman, we are not telling them it to repeal the second amendment, we are telling them to read the second amendment. >> we welcome back ryan bussy, former firearms executive who helped build one of the most iconic gun companies. he's now a senior adviser at the gun safety organization differs. he's also the author of gunfight, my battle against industry that radicalize america. ryan, you've got a big day tomorrow. you're testifying at the hearing tomorrow. give us a preview. >> yes i am testifying against some of the folks that i was in
the industry with for sometime, testifying with them. i think it's very important that i stand up for responsible gun owners. i am one of those responsible gun owners and i think it's high time -- frankly i'm withjamie raskin there. there is no right that exists in a democracy that isn't balanced by responsibility and regulation. right now, our balance is way out of whack. some of the actions that the industry is undertaken as of late are kind of irresponsible marketing that has been propagated on the country is beyond the pale to be honest. >> ryan, you wrote something pretty terrifying in the atlantic recently. that's why i invited you on tonight. the gun industry is giving us a glimpse of its next customer, the american child soldier. what did you mean? >> well, there's recently been two advertisements or social media points won by daniel defense who's on marty daniels on the committee is testifying tomorrow.
also won by a new fire arms company called we one tactical. we want tactical launched this year at the largest industry trade show and we won means the little one as an little kid. their gun, the thing that they launch is a jr 15, as in junior ar-15. on the same week that the teenager in uvalde was using a daniel defense weapon, they had the infamous social media post holding having a toddler holding up one of the rifles. i just think that these things are egregious. it's not these things at responsible gun owners are comfortable with, it's now things that the industry are now accepting. if that's a four bearing of the marketing efforts that we're gonna see targeting our we have been targeting troubled young man, that we are entitled to kids, congress misses that up and do something. >> why don't we know more about who runs these gun companies?
i like it to the sackler family in the opioid crisis. we learned everything about them and they suffered pretty significant consequences. why don't we know, who are the bosses, who are their families, what are these people all about? >> well that's a very good question, stephanie. but the truth is that the firearms industry is a very, very close and it's, tight, rent to police state, information does not leak out. the things that you know generally are from public reports, public filings from a couple companies, smooth and western and rigor, being two of them, those are the things that we learned. but for the most part, the firearms industry is burned by family businesses and it's run very, very tightly. my book and my effort represents the grand total of anybody who's ever spoken out and spoken the truth about the firearms industry for 100 years i am it. that tells you, that's not the way it was with the opioid
industry, there were plenty of whistleblowers. i don't consider myself a whistleblower blower, i'm just a truth teller. the truth is it's very hard to get inside those businesses and know what's going on. >> so realistically, given the resistance in congress, given how powerful this industry is, what is a good hearing look like tomorrow? >> well, i think that some of the truth comes out. you mentioned that atlantic article. there's some very difficult truths in that atlanta article that i wrote about. the industry has marketed a rifle to boogaloo boys, on it just like to share. there is a rifle being marketed called the urban super sniper, as if it was marketed for kyle rittenhouse. do we have these are imagine a see why 18 or 20 year old kids are rushing to solve problems with guns like these? the marketing is encouraging them to do it. if we have to shine a light on it, i have to say 65 senators
came together together voted on a gun bill. 65 senators having gotten together and voted on anything since the last time i can remember. there is something bubbling up in the general public about the things we're gonna hear tomorrow, and i think it's important we shine a light on those. >> it certainly is, and for any of those big-time gun manufacturers, those big gun families, if you're so proud about your business, we'd love to hear from you. you're welcome to join me anytime of the week. ryan, so good to hear. we look forward to hearing watching those hearings tomorrow. when we come back, we're gonna look at a little financial fact checking. in a busy week of economic data dumps, the 11th hour continues. economic dat dumps, the 11th hour continues
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distopian nightmare that's had been living through was finally over. >> hold your horses. under president trump economic success was pretty much a given? for fact sake, let's take a look back at the trump economy. there is this washington post analysis from january 8th 2021, quote, trump will have the worst jobs record in modern u. s. history. it's not just the pandemic. trump is the only modern president to leave office with fewer jobs than when he took office. 3 million fewer jobs to be exact. of course, the pandemic was the root cause for so many jobs lost across the country, in the late part of his administration. but this chart right here shows that even before the pandemic, job growth under trump was at a lower pace than most of other presidents. and as the washington post puts it, quote, president trump took office at the crest of the longest economic expansion in u.s. history. he leaves presiding over the
worst labor market in modern u. s. history, as an already spun out economic recovery has turned negative. remember, trump took office with a winning economy. so let's fast forward to right now. and look at some key numbers to come this week. today we learned consumer confidence has declined for a third straight month. not good news but also not a surprise. when everything in your life cost more, you don't feel good about the economy. and when the tool the government uses to slow rising prices, makes it more expensive to borrow, but we don't like that much either. and tomorrow, we are gonna find out if the fed plans to raise rates again and they likely will. on thursday, we get gdp numbers. likely going to show a second quarter of decline. also not great news. but it doesn't mean it's a full blown recession. why? because there is other things. there is good news. we got low unemployment. steady job growth. and a high rate of savings. the economy is not all good,
the economy is not all bad. what we have in this giant country of ours is a complicated economy. and that is the truth. and on that note, i wish you all a very good and safe night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late with us. i will see you at the end of tomorrow. us. i will see you at the end of tonight on all in. >> the indictment of a former president perhaps candidate for president would arguably tear the country apart. is that your concern? >> an nbc news exclusive interview. >> there's been a lot of criticism a lot of pressure the doj is behind the committee. >> the justice department goes public as the january 6th committee goes dark. >> i think that the hearings did an extremely good job of reminding us how important that