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the economy works for the better. that is going to upend some things. but mostly, in a positive way. and, as you know, chris, the planet is on fire. we have no choice at all. >> senator brian schatz, i agree. thank you very much for making time tonight. >> thank you. thank you that is "all in" on this thursday night. msnbc "prime" starts right now withar mehdi hasan. good evening. >> good evening, chris. thank you so much. and thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. in a few minutes, i will be joined live by none other than j ox n stewart the legendary comedian and former host of "the daily show" in washington today and blisters criticism for republican senators who just blocked a bill that would help veterans exposed to toxic burn pits while deployed overseas. they apparently blocked it out of spite, despite voting for it overwhelming just last month. jon stewart has been a fierce advocate on this issue and he was hopping mad today. you will not want to miss what he has to say that. is coming up. but first, i want to start
tonight with this really weird moment that happened last week at a house hearing. transportation secretary pete buttigieg was testifying before a house committee and as you woulde expect, for several hou, theyfo discussed infrastructure roads, railway, electric vehicles, energy prices, all of the usual stuff until one republican congressman on the committee suddenly took the transportation hearing off the rails. and that joke was for you, transport nerd, you're welcome. have a watch. >> now have president biden in office for 18 months and just recentlyfi we see the mainstrea media questioning president biden's mental state and for good reason. sadly he shakes hands with ghosts and imaginary people and falls offeo bicycles and even a the white house easter celebration, easter bunny had to guide him back intonn his safe place. end of speech, where he actually states, that is, if he sta stays
awake. so my question for you, is, sir, have you spoken with any other cabinet member about implementing the 25th amendment on president biden? >> first of all, i'm glad to have aal president who can ride bicycle. >>cl answer the question. >> beyond the insulting nature of that question, and make clear to you -- >> have you spoken to any cabinet members on implementing the 25th amendment on president biden? >> you have on emailed any mem of the executive branch, including text messages fromve your private phone? >> okay, first of all, spare a thought for the poor staffers in that republican congressman's office, desperately trying to keep pace behind him with those ridiculous blown-up photos. wait, is in the one with the bunny or the one with the ghost? secondly, and you may not notice if youma are not a regular view,
this whole biden is mentally unfit and should be removed by the b 25th amendment thing, thi is and top line talking point among republicans right now. this ison their big push agains joe biden, this cabinet ought to be discussing the 25th amendment,ss because he is so clearly unfit. and boy it would be hard to find a more clear-cut case of projection c from this republica party. because while no one in joe biden's cabinet is even remotely thinking about invoking the 25th amendment, you know who did discuss it, who considered it quite seriously? donald trump's cabinet. today, cnn is reporting that treasury secretary steve mnuchin has testified to the jab january 6d th investigation in congress and best remembered as this guy, the one who brought his wife along to the office one day so they could pose with all of the money, and another reason steve mnuchin is worth remembering is that he is reportedly one of the
cabinet secs who opened up discussions of using the 25th amendment on donald trump in the aftermath of the january 6th attack. in his book "betrayal," mnuchin talked to other members of the cabinet about attempting to remove trump from office by invoking b the 25th amendment. among the cabinet officials he spoke to that night was secretary of state mike pompeo. pompeo has denied the conversation. but to this day, mnuchin has never responded to questions about. it he still refuses to say whether he on january 6th thought that donald trump might have beenth mentally unfit to continue serving as president of the united states. "the new york times" later confirmed the reporting and january 6th committee vice chair lizit cheney publicly presented evidence that 25th amendment discussions had occurred. discussions confirmed by star witness cassidy hutchinson.
>> the committee has learned that after thehi attack on the u.s. capitol, this was being discussed by members of president trump's cabinet, as a way of stripping the full power of the presidency from donald trump. we understand that this text message that sean hannity sent to kayleigh mcenany shows what mr. hannity said to the president.nn first, no more stolen election talk. second, impeachment and 25th amendment are real. many people will quit. >> there's a large concern of 25th amendment potentially being invoked, and there are concerns about what wouldin happen in th senate ifou it was, if the 25th was invoked. so the primary reason that i had heard, other than, you know, we cannot do that, we need to get a stronger message out there and condemn this, this will be your legacy, the secondary reason for that, think about what might
happen in the final 15 daysou o your presidency, if we don't do this. there was tauls about invoking the 25erth amendment. you need to get this covered. >> if sean hannity says it, it mustan be true, right? again, trump treasury secretary steve mnuchin has never answered questions about this. but today, he sat down for a transcribed interview with the january 6th investigation in congress. i had the feeling it came up. asin for trump's secretary of state mike pompeo, again he has denied it or at least an anonymous spokesperson for him denied it, but reports suggest that nowni he too may b sitting for a deposition with the januarybe 6th committee befe the week is out. and it wasn't just mnuchin and womz. trump's education secretary betsy devos who resigned on january 6th said too publicly she spoke to cabinet members withe invoking the 25th amendmt and also vice president mike pence who shot down the idea. not for nothing but this is not the first time that senior members of trump administration's discussed the 25th amendment.er
all the way back in his first year ofwa his presidency after trump fired fbi director james comey his deputy attorney general rod rosenstein reportedly found his behavior so erratic that he too reportedly brought up using the 25th amendmentbr to remove trump fro office. a fact that he took pains not to admit to, but also did not deny when questioned about it under oath. to be a fly on the wall during steve mnuchins a testimony to the january 6th investigation. which is showing no signs of slowing down. today, trump's former chief of staff mick mulvaney also met with the congressional investigation. nbc news caught up with him on his way to thet interview. >> what do you plan to tell the committee y today? >>te the truth. how about that for starters? >> and you were asked to come in or did you volunteer to come in? >> i was asked to come in. >> subpoena or no? >> i was asked to come in. >> i was honestly just asked to come in. you will remember that mick
mulvaney, wore a variety of different hats during the trump administration, starting off as director of theni office of management and budget, to a short stint of trump's chief of staff, culminating as being the special envoy to northern ireland. but the night of the january 6th riot, mr. mulvaney resigned his position telling cnbc at the time that heti called up secrety of state pompeo and told him, quote, i can't do it. i't can't stay. mick mulvaney also recently said that he believes cassidy hutchinson and the other former white house officials who have testified. and it is against that backdrop that mick mulvaney testified behind closed doors for over two hours today. vice chair liz cheney recently said, at last week's hearing in fact new witnesses have stepped forward, doors have openeded and the dam has begun break. i'll go for the limb here and say after this week's developments, it's burst. more witnesses perhaps continuing to come forward and not just to the committee. tonight we learned another trump administration lawyer who served on the under jeffrey clark is
now cooperating with the justice department's criminal inquiry. cnn reports the justice department is preparing its legal strategy to force white house officials to testify about their specific conversations with then president trump. oh, and there's more. as we have discussed before on this show, the justice department is being trying for months to gain access to the januaryhe 6th committee depositn transcripts. so far they have been unsuccessful. but today, chairman bennie thompson announced that the committee and the d.o.j. have finally reached an agreement to share evidence including the interview transcriptssh of the committee's 1,000-plus witnesses. thompson told "politico" today, quoteit we put a template togetr for sharing information. my understanding is there's general agreement on it. the january 6th congressional investigation sharing evidence with the justice department is a significant step. so what could it all mean? joining us now is kyle cheney, senior leader affairs reporter at "politico," he had been covering the january 6th
investigation very closely. kyle, thanks for coming on the showks tonight. you reported today that according to chairman thompson, the house investigation has put quote a template together for sharing t information with the d.o.j.at and the general agreemt on it. t what is the significance of these transcripts, this evidence? and why didsc it take so long? >>so so the committee has been extremely protective of its evidence and information and you know, you've heard for a long time, questions about how aggressive is the justice department being, we've heard criticism and concern among the committee members about the d.o.j. taking it as seriously as they should g be, i think this answers some of those questions recently, but before now, the committee was very wary of saying, handing over all thousand transcripts, when they want to see more overt signs that the d.o.j. was o pursuing this seriously as they seem to be now. and so i think until they saw that, there was some reluctance, at leastuc to the wholesale
handover of their entire work product. on top of that thereti is actuay a processth where if d.o.j. obtains some of the committee evidence, they have to share it themselvese with some of the defendants in the january 6th cases, and they have to end up revealing some of that so the committee would lose a lot of control, and i think now the hearings are past and the committee is as far as along as they are and in a controlled way they could release some of the material. >> we heard the dam has begun to break in terms of witnesses coming forward and steve mnuchin, and mike pompeo, and why are the cabinet officials comingth forward? what reason do they have for coming in and sharing what they know with the committee this week? >> well, i think the committee has turned its sights in a lot of ways on post january 6th. we saw a little bit in the most recent hearing, until now we're talking about the lead-up, donald trump's effort to election and what
he did on january 6th which was essentially nothing while the violence overtook the can toll and nowoo they want to look at e day affect the week after and get a sense of what was going on in the white house then,of and think we heard some testimony about the seriousness to which some cabinet members took invoking the 25th amendment, which would be unprecedented, and scary in a way, you know, but i think now they want to shore up that information. how serious did they talks get?y what did these cabinet members, what was the conversation like? who was convening them? was mike pence involved in these talks? and i think they need to talk to pretty much everyone in that cabinet who was there oner januy 6th, to fill in the blanks. >> for a committee that's investigating the insurrection and the events that led up to january 6th, why is it so important to get to the truth about the 25th amendment discussion which happened after january 6th? >> it tells you a lot about how they view donald trump's mindset at that time.
a lot of the committee is so focused on what was donald trump's state of mind while all of this was going on. some of that could be essential if there are ultimately criminal charges against him coming from the justice department as to what was in his head beth on january 6th and immediately after. he was delivering some of the lines in the speech, reluctant to deliver the lines in the speech, that is also important state of mind evidence and i believe the cabinet looking at the 25th amendment would tell you what they thought about his state of mind. >> you also mentioned in your reporting today that there appears to be greater urgencyio for prosecutors to obtain evidence the select committee hasev gathered. why? what is driving the urgency? >> i think now that they know more information about the justice department, just recently, had deposed two of mike pence's top aides, mark short and greg jacob who were key witnesses inor the white house, while all of this wases going on, and so now that you're seeing this sort of extension, and the degree to which the d.o.j. has advanced its own
investigation, i think the committee now is going to see, will feel a more urgent need to share what they know to help this clearly more mature investigation than they realize, as it moves forward. >> we'll have to leave it there, senior leader of "politico," thank you for your time tonight. thank you for your reporting. what act of republican hypocrisy would havean possibly prompted an appearance in front of the capitolom today by legendary b comedian and now activist jon stewart? >> america's heroes who fought in our wars, outsize sweating their [ bleep ] office, battling all kinds of ailments, while these [ bleep ] sit in the air conditioning, walled off, from any of it. they don't have to hear it.
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isolated case, an estimate 3d.5 million veterans have been exposed to toxic substances like burn pits since the september 11th attacks. which is why congress decided to do something to help those veterans. legislation giving them access to the health care and support they desperately needed. the bill was called the sergeant first class heath robinson honoring our promise to address comprehensive toxics act. an early version of the bill to help these veterans passed the senate earlier this year with overwhelming bipartisan support. the vote was 84-14. the senate was supposed to take a procedural vote on that legislation last night. with final passage slated for the end of the week, but democrats announced they struck a surprise deal on a big package of climate, health care and policies, and that made republicans angry and apparently they took revenge, and whipped votes on a bipartisan bill to
increase production of desperately needed micro chips which are in short supply but it seems that was not quite enough to state their ang sore senate republicans, members of a party which love to wave a flag and say they support the troops, seemed to take their frustrations out about the advance on joe biden's agenda on sick and ailing veterans. they blocked, they blocked that bill, to help veterans affected by toxic burn pits. today, in a press conference outside the capitol, sergeant first class heath robinson's mother-in-law took the podium in her late son-in-law's army jacket, to offer her thoughts on the republicans brave stance against veterans. >> senator toomey, senator portman was heath's senators. they voted against my family. they voted for all of us to suffer. every single one has pictures with veterans on their facebook
pages, on their websites, well, screw. that they don't support veterans. if you vote no on this bill, you do not support veterans. the next time i come back here, it better be to sign the damn bill at the white house. i'm sick and tired of this [ bleep ]. >> standing alongside heath robinson's mother-in-law at that press conference is a face you might recognize. comedian jon stewart who has used his platform and fame to push for a number of veterans health bills, and he turned up on capitol hill today to call out the gop senators voting against that bill. >> i'm used to the lies. i'm used to the hypocrisy. i'm used to the cowardice. i'm been here a long time. the senate is where the accountability goes to die. these people don't care. i'm used to it. not just cruelty. cowards all of them.
cowards all of them. they have not met a veteran they won't screw over. what the [ bleep ] are we? this is an embarrassment to the senate, to the country, to the founders and all they profess to hold dear. and if this is america first, then america is [ bleep ]. >> joining us now, in his car, parked in a rest area on the new jersey turnpike is jon stewart, comedian activist and host of the problem with jon stewart on apple tv plus. jon has done incredible coverage of burn pit exposure on his show and kind enough to join us tonight on his way home from washington. thank you very much for being here. i said that was a retaliatory move by republicans. other news outlets are reporting the same. the republicans are taking issue with one small part of the bill. can you explain to the viewers what the argument is and whether you think it makes sense. >> so i don't know anything
about the retaliation part, what i do know is this is the same bill that they passed 84-14 on june 16th. the small fix that needed to be done in the house was a procedural one, based on a really nonmaterial clause that was put in there. there was one sentence about rural v.a., the v.a. being able to take over rural medical practices, so that veterans who live far away from these facilitys could still have access. it was a very small provision. it was placed in there by the v.a. there was a constitutional issue with it from the house, so the house went back and fixed, it and put it back to the house and got 90 more republican votes for it than they got the first time, and the senate was just supposed to rubber stamp it, because it's pretty much the exact same bill that they voted overwhelmingly for on june 16th. the issue arose when senator pat
toomey, patriot pat, i like to call him, as i've been sitting in my car now for probably about 11 hours today, so i'm a little punchy, he put in, an amendment that basically said, because in the version that they passed in the senate, the veterans health care is mandatory spending. it's, you know, the mandatory, discretionary, these are budgetary tranches that the government uses, the reason why it was done this way is so that the government couldn't, if they were promising the veterans the health care they need, they couldn't then go and raid money from agriculture, or they couldn't raid money from food spending, they can't raid other discretionary things by making it mandatory. toomey is suggesting that that means it's $400 billion of a slush fund.
it's a ridiculous argument. it's nonsense. the v.a. secretary still, even if it is mandatory spending, the v.a. secretary has to submit every year to congress, the house and the senate, both appropriations committees, what the spending is going to be, and what it's going to revolve around. >> and what is so outrageous is they say republican senators are willing to spend trillions of dollars, sending people to fight foreign wars but not to take care of them when they come back when they're exposed to burn pits. >> yes, you're singing my song, brother. you know, there's something called the oco, the overseas contingency operations fund and congress has been funding it for years now, between $40 billion and $70 billion every year, it's a true slush fund, it goes right to the department of defense, a tiny bit for state, but there are no guardrails on it, and there's no oversight. that is a slush fund.
that's a fund that can be used to spend things that none of us can have our eyes on. and pat toomey never had a problem with that. and never had a problem spending billions of dollars to send these people into harm's way. >> one of the things you said today, we just played you saying, you said you're used to the lie, the pip cracy and the cowardice and you're -- hypocrisy and the cowardice and you're not used to the cruelty. i watched you in the 2000s, covering the gop, and the george bush republican party every night, and how extreme do you believe this current republican party is compared to that one? >> i mean look, you know, i have different issues with different areas, what i was referring to was there was a group of people who came home from war, a traumatizing event to begin, with and whether they fought for this country, to defend the flag, or to fight for freedom,
or because it was their only choice between that and prison or drug treatment program, it doesn't matter, they lived up to their obligation in this country. they lived up to their oath, and when they came home, they found that the consequences of their heroism and their valor was their health. and then this country abandoned them. so these individuals have been fighting, by the way, standing on the shoulders of the vietnam veterans who are still fighting these same battles, and the persian gulf war veterans who are still fighting these battles, and really, every generation of veterans that we've ever had. oh, we love war, but boy, we don't like to clean up the consequences. always money for war. never money for the war fighters. and that's the issue. >> jon -- >> yeah, i'm sorry. >> on monday, chuck schumer says he will hold another vote on monday? if it doesn't, will the
republican party that claims to be the flag of the military, will it suffer any consequences for this outrageous vote? >> isn't that the usual? you and i can talk about it until we're blue in the face. they will never hear it. there is an information silo. i was lucky enough to get a hold of news max and go on there and it might be the first time the viewers heard about it. fox news, they have refused to put me on the air. we have been begging to be put on the air all day long. so we can bring along some possible accountability to these senators. by the way, most of whom voted for the bill and then turned around and voted against it, and even though there was no material change. i've never seen anything like it. nobody on the hill has ever seen anything like it. and the truth is, the people who suffered the most, and had to fight the hardest are the ones who will, once again, bear the
brunt of this, you know, this betrayal. honestly, you question the very foundation. and you know, they keep talking about boy, there's a recruitment problem in the army because of the pronouns they're using. it's not the pronouns. it's young people see that this government doesn't live up to its obligations to its fighters. it's as simple as that. >> it's a betrayal as you put it, john, and it is as simple as that and i thank you very much for pulling over on your way home and outlining the issue again tonight. you shouldn't have to do this -- >> i think i want to get a smoothy. i'm at a rest area. >> get a smoothy. you deserve a smoothy after what you've done today. we appreciate you, jon stewart. thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you for staying on this and as much as you can keep getting the word out.
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virginia senator joe manchin who has been a consistent thorn in the side of the democratic agenda until wednesday this. new reconciliation bill will be the largest investment in climate that congress has ever made. it's called the inflation reduction act of 2022. the deal comes months after manchin attacked the original and larger build back better plan in december and weeks after joe manchin seemed to walk away from the bargaining table on this reconciliation package due to ongoing concerns over inflation. some are down right shocked that this is the first time that democrats managed to do something savvy and shrewd and maybe they managed to out-mcconnell mcconnell after they secured republican votes in the senate on the bill. but the overall surprise reaction to the news that democrats pulled off this deal and got though to this point is kind of funny.
a sociologist in brookings senior fellow victor ray put it, it is hilarious to me that the dems might have done something strategic and everyone is shocked. keep hope alive guys. the bill is expected to hit the senate floor next week and schumer wants it pass before the august recess but will it definitely pass? remember kyrsten sinema. and will democrats be able to use it to save themselves in the november midterms? joining us now is senator amy klobuchar, democrat from minnesota who has been publicly championing this deal. senator, thank you for being here tonight. this is a big victory for your party this week. but questions still on the table, this. once the bill passes will it work to get voters to the polls? will people credit you for it? there is a poll out from third way that shows that one in four americans know your party is part of the infrastructure bill and that was last year. >> okay, they may not know all of the names of these bills but they know when you have their
backs. and what is happening right now, thanks to chuck schumer's leadership and patience and really all of the democrats clung together, is not only are we making it, as you pointed out, both major investment, in climate, just when we've seen forests burning, in california and in the west, and last summer all over my state, but we also are standing up for seniors. 46 million people who have been ripped off by the pharmaceutical companies, who got written into law, the pharma companies 20 years ago a provision that banned medicare from negotiating for less expensive drugs. they thought they own washington and now our party is standing up and saying you don't, we are on the side of the consumers here. and this is a big deal. not to mention finally putting in a corporate minimum tax, there's many, many good things in this, and your question, will it help? yes, because we're going to have their backs, and the republicans, as jon stewart so
well pointed out to you right now on the new jersey turnpike, that they aren't even standing up for the veterans, and just voted down the burn pit bill that we have been trying to pass for years. for our brave veterans. so i think we have pretty good arguments to bring to the voters in august. >> it is a big deal and i wouldn't disagree with you at all on that, what do you say to the viewers at home biting their nails and saying what about kyrsten sinema, is she on board? because her office won't say she's on board. >> she said she's reviewing this, pretty normal. she just got it. but when i look at her record here, she has strongly supported the environment, arizona obviously having their own share of hot, hot weather, and fires in the past, and all kinds of issues, so that's going to be weighing on her, i'm sure. as well as the pharmaceutical piece of it. well i would have gone even
further, she was part of those negotiations a few months ago and it is basically that same plan, to start negotiating 15 more and 15 more and 20 more and 20 more. and i'm very hopeful for that, and she is going to be looking at it but i think we will see a unified party especially with what we're up against on the republican side. >> i'm sure our viewers are crossing fingers and toes right now as they hear you speak. >> every so often, something really good happens and between the bill today, to allow us to develop semiconductors, ourselves, in our country, there is good news on behalf of the american people. >> so more good news would be if the senate can protect same-sex marriage, fundamental civil right that is under threat right now thanks to the supreme court, and this republican party, and yet susan collins, republican senator from maine, is saying today that the way in which your
party surprised her and surprised the republicans, she said this deal on the climate could make it harder to lobby her fellow republicans to get that same-sex marriage bill passed in the senate. do you buy that? you are worried about that? is this typical susan collins trying to cover up, i don't know? >> okay, well, i have a lot of respect for susan and i really do appreciate her support for same-sex marriage, and tammy baldwin has been working so hard to get this done, because as we know, justice thomas laid out a road map in his opinion that everything is on the line, not just abortion, but contraception, same-sex marriage, that is why the house passed the bill, under speaker pelosi's leadership, and now it is over in the senate. and i don't think you should ever, when i think about this as a whole, and a lot of the republicans have been saying, this they're saying okay, we knew you were going to do a pharma deal and stand up with aarp on behalf of seniors but we
just didn't know you were going to be able to do something about the climate. while we have forest fires burning right at the foot of yosemite. i think it's a good thing we got that agreement done. they're welcome to vote against. it i would hope they would be for doing something on climate but i don't think that can be used as a reason not to support guy marriage and it enshrines law that so clearly, so many people depend on, and have come to expect in terms of the rights of this country. >> i guess we'll find out very soon just how cynical some of your ren cans colleagues. are senator amy klobuchar, democrat from minnesota, appreciate your time tonight. >> great to be on thank you. senate democrats are hoping the inflation reduction act will pass and what the bill could mean for the environment and climate change. that's next, stay with us. ironmd climate change that's next, stay with us. your projects done right
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but if you compare that to a run-of-the-mill electric car, for the sake of this example, let's say the chevy volt, it only covers an average of 91 cents of electricity for a chevy bolt to go the 25 miles, literally a quarter of a gas car costs and infinitely better for the environment. now, if the democrats new big reconciliation bill now called the inflation reduction act, if that bill can get passed, electric vehicles won't just be the economic imperative at the pump but also at the dealership. if the bill passes as it is written, it would mean $7,500 of tax credits for any new electric car 55 grand or below and the nissan would drop to 20,000 dollars up front and not to mention the thousands saved not paying for gas every week. and even cheaper level, this bill would create a $4,000 tax credit for buying used electric vehicles. in other words, gone are the days are electric vehicles being a status symbol of silicon valley tycoons.
this bill would take what is already the environmental imperative that we have to stop using fossil fuels and simply make it the cheapest way to get around. and these tax credits would also be a massive job creator. so this will lead to tons and tons of well-paying good for the environment jobs and factories in the u.s. all of what i just laid out is just part, just part of the massive $369 billion overall that this new bill would put towards our energy and climate crisis. another dozen things to talk about in this bill, including money for the woefully underfunded irs to actually enforce our tax laws. allowing medicare to negotiate drug prices. that's huge. closing loopholes on the corporate minimum tax. but the chunk of this bill that is truly unprecedented is just how much it is doing on the climate. so, what is the big picture here? what are we getting for the $369 billion investment in this bill? joins you now is professor of
political science and environmental science at the university of california santa barbara. and the adviser to the climate activist groups evergreen action and re-wiring america and host of the climate podcast, a matter of degrees. thank you so much for being with us tonight. when this bill was announced, you called it the deal on clean energy and climate we have been waiting for. big picture, what is it that excites you so much about what is on that front? >> senate democrats have been working really for 18 months to try to put together a big bold investment package on clean energy and climate and yesterday, seemingly out of nowhere, senator chuck schumer and senator joe manchin announced they had come to a deal for $369 in transformative clean erge and climate investment. and i think what the americans want to know is how much money it is going to help them save. it will help make it cheaper for folks to buy a electric vehicle, a heat pump for low and moderate income folks, an induction stove
and expensive fossil fuels out of their lives and that is important because 41% of inflation actually driven by fossil fuels directly. so we know that this bill could help americans save $1800 a year per household, based on the analysis from re-wiring america. and for some folks who actually use oil to heat their homes in like the northeast and midwest, they can actually save 3 to $4,000 a year in home heating costs. given how expensive oil is right now. so this is really a game changer in terms of reducing americans' energy bills. >> it is a game changer. and yet there is also a piece of this bill that ties the leasing of public waters for offshore wind projects to the leasing of public lands for new oil and gas extraction. something obviously put in there to keep joe manchin on board. the government affairs director at the center for biological diversity called that provision quote a climate suicide pact. do you think that compromise is worth it? >> i do think the compromise is worth it.
look, it's not the bill that i would have written, it's a compromise. we have to get 50 senators to vote for this thing and we have to be clear-eyed. we can't miss the forest through the trees because literally the forest will have to burn down if we do. what we are talking about is optional lease sales that companies could choose to buy into. and there are also going to be royalty increases alongside those lease sales, so it is possible that we'll get fewer companies wanting to actually do those leases. and as we get more people buying electric vehicles, and using heat pumps, that demand for oil and gas is going to fall. so it's not ideal. it's not perfect. but what we're talking about here is a really small emissions penalty and payment compared to huge pollution cuts on the other end of the ledger. >> quick last question. 30 seconds left. thef say they will hit 40% reduction by 2030 carbon emissions. is that a number you think they can kit based on this bill? >> absolutely. we have several independent
analyses that say that is true, energy investigation says we can get 40% below those pollution numbers than will put us on a path to meeting president biden's goal of cutting pollution in half in this decade and that's what we need to tackle the climate crisis. >> lea stokes, professor of science and environmental science at the university of california santa barbara, thank you very much for your time tonight and thank for giving us that good news. >> thank you. we have one more story to get to tonight. just when you thought certain republican members of congress couldn't go lower, they find a way to surprise you. that story is next. stay with us. stay with us
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would think would garner support from both sides of the aisle, no problem. that bill is an anti-human trafficking bill which updates an older bill that passed with virtually no opposition several years ago. the bill does things that everyone can agree is good. it bolsters resources to local agencies that deal with a high number of sex trafficking cases and invests new funds for housing options for women to get away from abusers. you would think republicans would have no problem with this bill. but that is not today's gop. the bill passed the house yesterday with, yes, overwhelmingly bipartisan support, but 20 republicans voted against the bill. 20. one of those congressman is this man, florida republican and die-hard trump devotee matt gaetz, and i just want to pause here for a second, because it is interesting and of nose that matt gaetz voted againsts this this anti-human trafficking bill because gaetz himself is reportedly under federal criminal investigation for alleged child sex trafficking.
according to report he is being investigated for having a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old and paying for her to travel with him. matt gaetz who repeatedly denied any wrong doing. but he made sure to vote down this common sense do good bill in congress. that does it for us tonight. "way too early" with jonathan lemire is coming up next. comedian and veterans advocate jon stewart goes off on the senate, calling some republicans senators out by name, after they blocked a bill to increase care for veterans exposed to burn pits. the move has some democrats speculating that this is a retall anyfor an unexpected compromise on capitol hill. we'll show i you stewart's impassioned remarks. more missing texts tied to the january 6th attack on the capitol, this time it is messages from former president trump's homeland security department. and the former president is also making headlines for what he said about september 11
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