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american voices will be back next weekend. so, this hour, we are gonna get you all up on what's happening in washington. and i'm gonna do my best to take you inside the room to the conversations being had. first, the surprise breakthrough from a democratic friends on capitol hill, bringing a key piece of president biden's agenda back from the dead, build back better, okay? senate democrats are now pushing forward with a deal to fight climate change, and lower rising health care costs. i am talking about the inflation production act. pieced together behind closed doors between west virginia senator, joe manchin, and other democrats, this legislation will lower prescription drug costs, tax corporations, and reduce the deficit. then, there is the historic 369 billion dollar investment in the fight against climate change. now, that includes encouraging americans to go green, and by expanding tax credits for electric vehicles. and that's on top of a 7500 dollar credit for new clean

cars, it adds 4000 dollar credit for used electric cars, targeted at low income families. it's a lot. so, it's democrats hope to get this bill across the finish line, the lingering question tonight really is, if any of it will give them something to sell, to voters before the midterms? new nbc reporting reads, quote, democrats believe that with a strong record to run on, some targeted incumbents will be able to hang on, preventing republicans from turning 2022 into a big wave election here, and quote. what, i did have the opportunity to sit down with my friend, minnesota senator, amy klobuchar, and we discussed this new inflation fighting legislation, and the chances democratic friends to maintain control of congress this fall. take a listen. >> senator joe manchin says he's going to support the democrats inflation, reduction act, okay? this is the bill that's gonna address climate change, prescription drugs, something you have championed, corporate access, among so many other things. now, this may not make a difference for the midterms in

the short term, but in the long term, i think that this bill is definitely a monumental. talk to me a little bit about that, and what is this republican chatter about the fact that they are upset that this deal came together? >> i don't know who could be upset about finally doing something on pharmaceutical prices first of all. we have the backs of the american people. the democratic party. senator schumer patiently negotiated with senator manchin over the last few months, and we have wet is now an incredibly big bill. and an important bill. it's called the inflation reduction act for a reason. >> it's gonna bring down inflation. >> it's gonna bring down the deficits. it's gonna invest biggest investments in climate in the history of america. brings down greenhouse gases by 40% by 2030, so we can start getting on that trajectory to net zero by 2050, where i want to be, and i know you want to be. and then, pharmaceutical prices. pharmaceutical companies think they own washington. well, they don't.

finally, medicare is unleashed to negotiate less expensive drugs for our seniors. it's a big deal. and the idea that some of our republican colleagues will just be mad because we have got an agreement, i don't know how transparent that is. and then, say, well, this is gonna hurt us on things like moving forward on veterans, and helping them with their health problems, coming out of burn pits, or game eric. at some point, let's stop the games, and let's just have the votes. >> it sounds ridiculous. i wanna talk specifically about senator manchin, in the last week and a half, he was not on board with a climate change provisions. and then, it seems, people in the outside, all of a sudden he was. so, what's happened here? i know you are usually a wheeler and dealer when it comes to the senate. i've seen you there many times. how did senator manchin get on board? who did this? >> senator schumer took the lead in these negotiations. it wasn't one of these big gangs or a public event of some kind. i'm sure the white house, i know, is involved in working on

this as well. and we appreciate the presidents work. but in the end, it really came down to senator manchin having to make a decision while these fires are burning in california and across the west, while we've seen higher and higher temperatures, record temperatures across the country, at some point, we can put our heads in the sand anymore. and he made, what i think, was a good decision to move forward on the climate provisions, not just leave them behind. >> we fight a lot about inflation. you just said yourself, this bill will help ease inflationary pressures. we also heard a lot about the r-word. i'm talking about recession. the white house has adequately fought the use of the r-word to the point where now, folks like me on television or having to debate about what is the definition of a recession. but let's just take the ballistics out of it, how would you explain to the american people what is happening here? >> we've just gotten through, and we are still at the tail end of it, a two-year pandemic. people are isolated. we have lost so many americans.

and i don't think anyone can expect you are gonna come out of that, and everything is just rosy. so, what we've seen, and major destruction in the supply chain. we have people who are back at work, but we've got a lot of job openings. and that's why this definition doesn't fit, because my state has the lowest unemployment that we've had in the history of our state. we have low unemployment rate, but we have high costs, because it's hard to get stuff. we've had issues, again, with workforce, but we've also had issues with getting supplies to where they belong. that is improving right now. we passed a bipartisan chipping bill that i lead, because these shipping conglomerates have been ripping people off, charging four times the amount they should for containers. we're gonna bring the cost of pharmaceuticals down, he. we've seen some recent decreases in gas prices for. >> in part because last month. >> in part because of the release of the strategic petroleum reserves that made a difference. >> before you go, i have to ask

you a question about the midterms. you, minnesota, i believe is a microcosm of the rest of the country. you've got rule. you've got urban. you've got manufacturing. you've got business hubs. you've got social media tech innovation happening throughout the state. what are you hearing from minnesotans, and what gets you up at night as it relates to the midterm election? >> well, what keeps me up at night is just the evil that we've seen from donald trump. the lies, the misrepresentations, that it's somehow gonna turn people off of politics, and they won't come and about. but what inspires me are these incredible candidates, in my own state, angie craig, who is always been in a tough race there in minnesota, and always pulls it out, or our governor, keith ellison is running for reelection, after this incredible job of taking on the murder of george floyd and winning that case. so, that's what happens at home. when i look at it nationally, i think about how my good friends, people like maggie hassan in

new hampshire, catherine in nevada, raphael warnock in georgia, how they have been, and among kelly in arizona, those are folks, many others of course, we they are doing incredibly well in their states. and that's because people know them and they loved them. you can go to states like wisconsin, pennsylvania, one of my favorites, north carolina with judge beasley. >> oh, judge beasley. always good to watch. >> doing so well there. ohio, with tim ryan, who's defying all expectations. and florida -- >> it sounds like you're saying there's possibilities all over the map. so, are you saying the senate holding it? >> we more than hope the senate, it will pick up at least two seats we need. i think more, and then, we are able to finally get voting rights legislation done, and all these things. and as you know, we need two seats to do that. >> many thanks again to senator

amy klobuchar. okay, so, senate majority leader chuck schumer does plan to bring this climate deal that we talked about, to a vote next week. but it will require all 50 votes from democrats, and a tie breaking vote from vice president kamala harris. so, joining me now to discuss it all is katy, senior editor at insider. and senior national political reporter for nbc news. we things to you both. i wanna start with you because i'm really interested in the exact timetable that we are working with here to get this deal across the finish line. are we talking next wednesday? are we talking next thursday? and then, with the significance of this massive legislation? >> well, symone, to the first part, the goal of senator chuck schumer is david on this week. most likely, it's gonna be later toward the end of this week it's a lot of process you gotta go through the voting overnight they will offer a horror bunch of amendments, trolling amendments decided to put democrats in a tough position. --

appears genuinely committed and bought an, and frankly, quite feisty in defense of this bill that he has negotiated. now in terms of the significance, it's a huge deal. it's what a certain current president once called a b of the, because for the first time, it would allow medicare, empower medicare to negotiate broad drug prices, something that has about 80 plus percent, among the general public. it would be the biggest investment in mitigating climate change that congress has ever done in u.s. history. and that is a low bar. but 269 billion is hardly trump change on this front. so, finally, for the first time, the democrats, feel after many months of despondency this agenda items that president biden and many democrats have campaigned on, appeared to be left for dead. they feel like they have some wind at their back. they feel like they have a robust agenda to campaign on. politically, the most important thing to that and is, the issue of inflation has been a big, big problem for democrat incumbents, adding into a midterm election, where they already have history going against them. this gives them an argument,

something to communicate to voters and saying, this is what you are doing to try to fight inflation. they are struggling with that for many many months. whether it's drug pricing, and also, the three year aca funding, help prevent a premium, relieving millions of americans from -- we right before election could be devastating for democratic incumbents. so, if you put all the stuff together, democrats believe. finally, the climate change pieces, important also get young people out. but also, in places like coastal california, where i am, the district of katie porter, nearby michael have them, climate funding is important, not just for young people, but also independents and moderate voters, because they see and feel the impacts of climate change here. >> i agree with you. i also think it's important for places like arizona, nevada. i am thinking about lake mead. we could go on. i personally think quite significant. katie, let me bring you in here. you have some new reporting, from insider, while there is new reporting from insider. and i just read it to you. quote, the most carefully negotiated deals can still be

upended in an environment where no margin of error exists. manchin is on a collision course with arizona senator kirsten sinema over a small part of the bill, the pair disagree on carried interest, a loophole in the tax code that mostly benefits wealthy investors and hedge fund managers. not to even talk about covid, right? senator manchin has been out with covid this weekend. you do need people in town and the united states senate to vote. talk to me about the cinema factor here. what should we be watching for in the days ahead? >> we should be watching very closely, symone. this is a key moderates we're talking about and i'm skeptic. we are talking about so many loophole and just loopholes, and we're talking about what that might mean to kind of weasel this in, if you, will into this bill. that's a huge deal. i mean, this is something sinema has backed down off in the past, and has actually made a claim that she will not back anything that would raise tax

hikes, if it is picking, choosing which way it goes. i mean, this is a hard deal. even you know in the past, democrats have actually pulled back from certain raising rates on high income earners. at the same time, i mean, we are watching sinema, we are waiting to hear what she said. we haven't had any really concrete feedback after the deal was made, publicly, but what we can expect is what we're hoping is that with the start schedule that we have, going into the august recession, which is the key time for campaigning, is that we can get all democrats on board to go forward and say, this is the deal that we are bringing to the table. now, sinema and manchin, those two, holding up many deals and iterations of biden's big economic agenda. but what we are hoping for is if can sinema come to the table and say, these are the places that i can stand with to make sure that all the other provisions of this deal, as sahil just said, when we are looking at with the impact of it is, there has to be some space to move forward. and in this case, the

negotiations need to come to a head at this point. that's what you are seeing with sinema so we are watching closely to see what she says. and if she is going to move in the right direction, where we expect if you were to be speaking, we expect more folks coming together and the next week or so. but that's the whole point, now, all eyes are basically on her. >> i am definitely watching, okay? i asked amy klobuchar, if she heard from her. she such's gonna be on the bill. so, remain to see what she says. i want to talk about the process of this deal coming together. president biden talked about this. i want you all take a listen. >> i know there can be sometimes seen like nothing is done in washington. i know it never questioned if your minds. but the work of the government can be slow and frustrating, and sometimes, even infuriating. then, the hard work of hours and days and months for people refusing to give up days off, history is made. lives are changed. with this legislation, we are

facing up to some of our biggest problems, and we are taking a giant step forward as a nation. >> now, i have on good authority, the counselor to the presidents, steve ritchie, played a key role in these negotiations, behind the scenes. so, sahil, you have a sense of how the white house worked with senator schumer to secure this deal? and what role are gonna play going forward? >> well, symone, they certainly said the contours early on. and they negotiated everything that led to the build back better act late december. but in recent weeks and months, for the most part, the white house has passed the baton to senator chuck schumer, and told them to run with it, and find a way to get manchin on board. there was certainly a lot of frustration, and a blind signed this within the white house. last december, when manchin in the book about better act, but for a long time, it looked like she was gonna fail. just a few weeks ago, manchin was sounding very skeptical about this, and said he would wanted to hold off until the middle of october, doing major climate funding for tax increases. just in the last few days, he

decided, okay, he's willing to do it, let's do it next week. manchin says. so, it was a kind of a shocking turn of events, a rare positive surprise the democrats got schumer for a while, looking like he was gonna fail. it looks for now that he's pulled it off. >> it looks like it. all right, kadia tubman, sahil kapur, thank you both for your insights. next, look who is stalking now. some big names of the former guys in a circle. they're now talking to the 16 committee. we're gonna examine what the panel actually wants from them. and later, the state department's efforts to get wnba star brittney griner and paul whelan out of prison in russia. what might the united states give to get them home? but first, dog brown was tracking the other big stories we're watching at msnbc. dara, what you got? >> thank you, symone. president biden test positive for covid-19 again. the white house doctor saying it is a rebound case and not and you infection. the president says he has no

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okay, ironically, former president trump staff will eventually be the people we thank when donald trump is unaccountable held accountable. some of his closest advisers are agreeing to interview with the general six committee. former acting chief of staff, meatball vein, he testified for more than two hours on thursday. he shared how trump stop the steal attorneys might have snuck into the white house. most outlets report secretary, steve mnuchin, also spoke to the committee recently. the panel allegedly asked him about the 25th amendment, and whether the cabinet plans to remove trump after the capitol attack. and that's not all, folks. at least three more top officials are in talks to take the stand. why? here's what january six committee member, republican congressman adam kinzinger had to say this morning on velshi. >> now, the committee should be taken seriously, because for the last nine or ten months, it

was really developing the investigation, and, then it didn't have much of a public face. so, you know, it's written off by a lot of people. and now, obviously, it's made a difference. obviously, this is quite important. i think you do have people now that say, i want to put my side in. look, without going into any more details, you know, there are people that have given us answers that maybe don't really square now, as we have had more people who came in and talk to us. and so, we want to revisit with some of those folks, if their memory clears up a little bit. >> joining me now, msnbc contributor and former u.s. attorney, joyce vance. she's a law professor at the university of alabama. also with us, and equal, investigative reporter from propublica. all right, folks, i'm very excited about this. he's also the author of the forthcoming book, a death on w street: the murder of seth rich and the age of conspiracy. absolutely fascinating. i really can't wait to read this book. let's get into it. joyce, i'm gonna start with you because, you've been through this. i feel like you are the good

work at this point. talk to us, is this a turning point for the january six committee? yes or no? >> yes, it really is. liz cheney nailed it when she said in the final hearing for the season that the dam was breaking. prosecutors noticed feeling, it's the point and investigation where the momentum switches, and everyone wants to come in and tell their side of the story. so, it's an important time for the committee. >> so, the committee has also, we now agreed to hand over 20 transcripts of the justice department. and this is out of more than 1000 interviews. so, do you think this signals something about their ongoing relationship? >> well, i think it was inevitable that they would come back together. this was sort of a family squabbled to early withhold transcripts, the committee want to have a chance to make its point without anyone stealing the show. but this helps doj in two ways. it lets doj get a beat on the

witness, and prioritize who they need to talk to first. they have a lot of work out of them. and also, they may have criminal discovery obligations, and some of the prosecutions, to turn over some kinds of witness testimony, or to evaluate it for exploratory information. the doj has to turn over to a defendant anything that might help them improve that they're not guilty. so, really helpful news that this cooperation is moving forward. >> okay, good news. >> andy, i want to ask you. your investigative reporter. and we now know that the washington post is reporting that a government watchdog started to recover the missing secret service texts, then decided against it. or i would even go as far to say, they said they would do it, and, then gave up. then, the post also uncovered another batch of loss tax, this time, from the former heads of homeland security. do you think this is a coincidence? >> it seems incredibly

improbable, if not impossible, that this would be a coincidence, symone. what you are talking about here is a chain of command and the department of homeland security, now going from the top acting chief chad wolf going down to the secret service, there is a whole block of text messages mission. in one of the most critical junctures in donald trump's presidency, these moments after the january 6th insurrectionists everyone inciting, the administration is scrambling to put out what to say, what to do. i think this is the tip of the iceberg, in terms of the text messages. you're gonna see criminal investigations because it is just too much of a coincidence for both of these batches of texts to disappear like this. and when i want to have them. and for the ig and in the situation to say, well, nothing we can do about that, we are ready to move on. , nothin wethat is the point that really strikes me. also this from chad wolf. chad wulf was the former head

of the department homeland security under the trump administration. he has said that when he gave his cell phone back and all his devices to dhs, everything was there. if anything was deleted, you need to ask the h s. essentially, he is accusing someone, somewhere of lying, i don't know? >> he is clearly saying that this is not my fault, i did not delete these text messages, you need to point your investigation elsewhere. again, this is why i think we are at the very start of this whole new offshoot, possibly a whole new chapter of the investigation and possible justice department mastication, i would add, because chad walsh said they will do it. now we hear from the department themselves, other political employees, people in charge of the secret service. we are scratching the surface of the text message matter. you have to believe it will be of interest to the justice department and january six committee. >> these text messages are just

one part of the january six investigation into the department justice entails. this is, in fact, the largest investigation that the justice department never handled. i'm thinking about all the folks who had prosecuted thus far. joyce, are you concerned about the department having the resources they need to do their job? >> it's a big complicated case but the doj can re-organize its sources to make this investigation top heavy with experience senior investigators and top agents across the country. that is what they need me to do. this new piece that we talk about really highlights the need to do that. the h s needs to be hands off on this investigation into missing communications going forward. that piece needs to be picked up by the fbi for investigation. there are a lot of missing communications, parts of the paper trail that should be present for the six that are missing, including things like

white house call logs and diaries. that should all be looked like at someone who is independent and objective. that could even feedback into the missing boxes of top secret documents that were found at mar-a-lago. the important thing is for doj to assign everything related to the big lie, january six, the effort to interfere with the transfer of power, the top priority and to go ahead and speedily pursuant. >> all right, joyce you had the last word on the. jason andy, thank you very much. next the question is, does america need a third political party? there is a new push led by andrew yang and others, including former congressman david jolly, who is my next guest. plus, we will dig deeper into the president spending bill and asked the critical question, how do we ensure that the help improvised is equitable? i will ask heather mcgee, stay with us. stay with us. vy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill,

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america's politics are extremely polarized. but what do about it, that is where we disagree. this week, former democratic president candidate andrew yang said his solution is a new political party. yang and two of his cofounders role and op-ed in the washington post this week, launching the ford party, claiming his bid to start a third party will succeed where others failed. my friend david jolly is one of the cofounders of the ford party. he is a former congressman from florida and msnbc contributor. he is with us right now. greetings, david. >> good to be with you, symone. i know you disagree with me, so i look forward to this conversation. >> thank you, i did not have to say it. for folks that don't know, i have known david jolly for a while. i knew him through the mini integrations of my career. david, i am skeptical. i will let you start. tell the people at home why you think this will work.

>> look, we know by the numbers that the demand is there. 46% of americans reject other major party. 60% suggested we need a new party. i think what is often mistaken though in past efforts is that they think the 40% are all moderates. that is not the case. the ford party and understand that i am not assuming an official role the party, i just hopped the talks with the merger. but the ford party, for the first time, is left, right and middle. imagine that, a party that embraces diversity of thought around some basic tenants of a pandemic opportunity, personal liberty and defense of democracy. we actually think we can come together around these shared values and that 40% of america that today has said that i cannot see myself in the republican or democratic party, just might see themselves in the new forward party. >> i want to talk about the values in the second, because i have a thought about the values. but first, i want to talk about

the reality. i don't tt you don't have a party unless you get foreign race. where is the paperwork, david? is their paperwork? >> these are three organizations that merged that have been building parties already. there is already legal recognition in about four states, political committees that will be recognized in 15 states by the end of the year, 35 next year in all 50 in 2024. the important thing about this, simone -- here is the other mistake made, and you will see groups do this in 2024, people think if you declare a national party, you run somebody for president. that is garbage. >> yes, that is not what you do. we agree there. >> yeah, that is garbage. you could not actually do the. you cannot file a party today and get ballot access to 50 states in 2024. then you run the risk of are you talking to lever the right way or wrong way? i will tell you, the way to build a credible, durable

national party, you are actually building 50 state parties and aggregating them. that is where the politics of texas are different to massachusetts, florida different from california. the reality is that no party today starts off an election cycle by saying, we will compete in all 50 states. we are saying let's elect mayors, township supervisors, in all 50 states and become the third largest party in the united states. >>u but the entity with which you have helped emerge. what are the four states, given the four? >> the mayor of newtown, connecticut was a longtime democratic mayor who switched his democratic party to -- in the set of texas, the secretary of state recognizes that same party as a political organization. pennsylvania, similarly. in new york, we ran a unity ticket for lieutenant governor and got enough votes that

received party status. i think governor cuomo kneecap this and said no, i don't want competition. the demand is there, symone. the important thing is this, there is immediate reaction by body politic, as if it is a threat. i would suggest, how could you argue that 40% of the country says, i cannot see myself in a major party, then we shouldn't give that 40% another option. or, at least, if one of the two major party said, hey, why don't we go after that 40% that are telling us that they are represented it in our own party -- if the major parties won't do it, i believe the ford party will. >> i don't disagree with you. my only point here would be to say that as long as the third option is viable, because in 2020, i will say that people voted third-party, they cast about for donald trump. they did not cast a viable ballot for an invidious other than president trump. i want to talk about these values. you say that the two --

three priorities of the foreign party are, free people, thriving communities and a vibrant democracy. these are great ideas but they are kind of vague. are there specific policy solutions coming? >> no, because this is a different kind of party. there is no top-down dogma, top down platform. symone, the politics in birmingham, alabama are different than boston, massachusetts. i would suggest that the two major parties decide to ignore for regions of the country that don't fit into the top down dogma. when we talk about those principles, it is wolters together as americans, forget about a party. let's be big enough to embrace the embrace the defense of democracy. a lot of people say, new party, where do you stand on abortion? you know what, i think a political party today should be big enough to embrace voices from the pro-choice movement and pro life movement. this isn't complex issue for

the united states. i think a big party is what people are looking for. symone, i hear your reaction. here is what i will also tell you. if strict ideology and dogma -- if your core convictions are around ideology, then the ford party is probably enough for you, because you already have a home in one of the major, minor parties. but if you are one of americans that says i want a government that solves problems and speaks of the most number of people? that is what the ford party is building. it is not going to capture 100 percent of voters, but 40% of the country today says i do not see myself as a -- ford party offers an option. >> all right, david jolly, former florida congressman, we will have to leave it there, but i will continue this conversation with you somewhere in a another hour, because this is fascinating. thank you. next, we will go inside the negotiation to bring wnba superstar britney griner home. the united states is proposing a person's top, but is it

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president biden has been clear about the need to bring home every american held hostage or wrongfully detained abroad. that includes, of course, brittney griner and paul whelan. this is been at the top of the mind for the president and his whole national security team. he receives regular updates about the status of our negotiations to secure brittani and paul's release, as well as other u.s. nationals who were wrongfully detained or held hostage in russia, and i might add, around the world, as well. >> that was national security council coordinator for strategic communications, john kirby, reminding us that the biden administration is still working to bring home wnba star brittney griner and others. the united states is not proposing a person's swap, according to abc news. the russians would get an arms

dealer serving 25 years in an illinois person. but the russians reportedly want even more. nbc's molly hunter has the story. >> yes, symone, there seems to be fast moving developments. we seem to be getting incremental updates on this potential prisoner swap on brittney griner case on a regular basis. that does not, however, indicate or suggest for our white house colleagues who are doing reporting out of d.c. that this prisoner swap is any closer to happening. what has happened in the last 24 hours is that secretary of state anthony blinken spoke to his russian counterpart, foreign minister sergei lavrov. those are the highest level discussions that have happened about this intentional person to swap. that may be optimistic but certainly nothing concrete out of that, at least according to secretary of state blinken. what has happened in the last week? the u.s. has made public their prisoner swap offer. they offered up a man named viktor bout, a convicted arms dealer. they made a public. what has happened since then, our nbc news colleagues have

confirmed that the russians have backchanneled a counter offer. they offered up the name, vadim krasikov, a russian national, a former colonel in the country's domestic spy agency. he would have a lot of institutional knowledge, very valuable to the russians. he was convicted of murder in germany last year. he is being held in germany. the u.s. responded to that counter offer and said that it was not serious. because not only was it made through back channels, but the u.s. does not have custody of this man, symone. he is in german custody, which complicates any u.s. russian prisoner swaps. bottom line right now, a lot of activity but no closer to get brittney griner and paul whelan. home symone? >> nbc's molly hunter in london, you are making it plain, thanks. next, build back better is back with a fresh new name, but what is in it, and how do we make sure that the help it provides gets to those who needed most? author had their mcgee is my next guest, breaking it down, stay with us.

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health care to housing. >> that was a clip from a podcast lunch this week called the some of us. it's based off had mcgee's new york times bestseller book, which explores how racism is hurting all americans and how we overcome it. the podcast takes her book on a step further, i would argue, where heather mcghee embarks on a road trip across america to, quote, unearth stories of american hope and solidarity in a time of great vision and peril for our democracy. heather mcghee joins me now. i could literally listen to you speak all day long, i am very excited by the podcasts. heather, you do it all. you are an author, strategies -- i want to talk strategy with you for a moment. my democratic friends have finally come to an agreement on a bill that will do everything, from reduce greenhouse gas pollution to lower health care costs for americans. based on what we know from the bill so far, i wonder, do you expect it to help solve some of the countries in equity issues?

>> first of all, symone, thank you, congratulations on the show. i love listening to you too. this was a big breakthrough this week. if the deal holds, this is a huge victory, not just for the democratic party behind the presidents agenda, which is popular and a bipartisan fashion across the country and among actual voters, but for the people and our planet. it includes a lot of the things that are desperately necessary and frankly, overdue. the kind of nice things that our country dominance globally should not be doing without thinking twice about it. putting our energy into addressing global climate change, inflation, bring inflation down and, of course, making the wealthiest corporations pay their fair share. but, you ask how we can make sure that it goes the last mile, the people that need help the most get it. what i said, on the tasks rate,

a 15% minimum corporate tax. we have huge corporations paying poverty wages and not paying taxes to the nation that makes their products possible. that is a huge threat to the global dominance of multinational corporations. i think it will be great for inequality in america. but when it comes down to the pieces of environmental justice, right? we know that climate change is already here and costing the economy hundreds of billions of dollars, and costing poor people, row forks, like the folks in kentucky, name region and you will have debt and disaster that is already here from extreme weather. i think the real piece is that this bill actually includes a whole lot of targeted funds for rural and environmental justice communities and low income communities. that is important to see. >> it closes the gap. i am really struck by something we hear over and over again.

we heard it last year during the first talks of build back better, where there are some politicians that believe in focusing on the bread and butter issues, like shrinking the economy, as opposed to social issues like voting rights and equity. can you just talk a little bit about how they are equally as important? >> that is right, and unequal democracy is going to yield and an eagle economy, that is plain and simple. if we don't get our voting rights right, if we don't make sure that everyone has the power to have a say in the role of government in the lives, no matter how much will they have, no matter the color of the skin, we will never live up to the promise of the american dream. it's also true that when you look at the cost of the racial economic divide in this country, it is not just a social issue, it is an economic issue. that is the point that i make in the book. it has been so clear to me in the journey that i took to

record the broadcast. nine new stories across racial solidarity. it's people that are able to come together and unlock potential of every human being in their community. the sky is the limit. we calculated that black white economic divide, just one dimension of the racial economic divide across the u.s. gdp 16 trillion dollars in the last 20 years. these quote unquote social issues have always been economic issues. what was slavery? but was discrimination and segregation? -- by the wealthy in order to concentrate wealth and, frankly, get working middle class white people to enforce unfair economic system as a racial bargaining tool. side of their color instead of your class. it is a sort of racial bargain that i am seeing come apart at the seams across the country. the inequality era lumber zone as people and communities have been, and this is a story we

talk about gas, coming together, saying there is more that unites us then divides us. these problems in our community, water that is polluted, air that is polluted, schools fund, housing that is out of date or unaffordable. these are problems that are common solutions. we can only really take on powerful interest that want to defend the status quo, if we come together across lines of race. i was able to find nine hopeful stories of that happening across the country. >> heather mcghee, ladies and gentlemen, listen to this podcast, the some of us. heather, appreciate your time, thank you. learn more about how those findings again through the book, the some of us, what's racism cost everyone, and how we can attack it together. heather mcghee, folk's. we will be right back after the break, the first, a look at what is coming up on msnbc. >> hey there, i am ayman

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