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"rocket fuel" for what is typically a low-key primary in the summer. the amendment to strip abortion protection was defeated by nearly 20 points. a resounding backlash against those pushing more abortion restrictions in the wake of the supreme court decision on roe. here is some of the reaction when the results came in. [ cheers and applause ] ? >> so grateful and overjoyed in this moment now. >> i'm really proud our state came through and decisively won. >> i just decided i know and my loved ones can get the health care we need and deserve. i'm astounded. >> but it wasn't just the margin that raised eye brows. the turnout was historic. more than 900,000 kansasan cast ballots in the sweltering heat. nearly double the primary turnout in 2018 and almost triple what it was in 2014.
all this in a state that is overwhelmingly republican and with no major contested democratic races to entice the voters to the polls. only abortion. what does it mean for reproductive rights in other states? what does it mean for the midterms? as one-long time activist told me, quote, "it's going to be a major issue on every ballot moving forward." i want to bring in dr. burns who has been covering the story for us. jason candor served as missouri's secretary of state. he's with the veteran's project. and our kansas city affiliate amanda was the national political director for hillary clinton's 2006 campaign. we have nbc national political correspondent steve kornacki. karen, let me start with you. you live here. you've been reporting here. watching it from afar, the secretary of state seemed absolutely shocked by the
numbers of people that turned out yesterday. i mean, it was crazy! nobody would have predicted it. tell us how this happens in a very red state like kansas >>well, i think you're right. the secretary of state was absolutely stunned. his prediction was a 36% voter turnout. it turned out to be more than that from the unofficial results we have seen so far. closer to around 45%. nearly half of registered voters. that's a lot of people who say they care about the issue and went to the polls yesterday. >> amanda, the big question now is, is kansas a oneoff or tell us something about the country and frankly the energizing ability of the abortion issue? >> i think the numbers are so big. it's hard not to take a look and say wow, this is the first real data around how voters will react. it's been a long time. the democrats have been saying how important the issue is. now it was put to the test in a red state.
not only did you see people come out. i'm interested to even go further into the data. four out of 10 voters in rural kansas was supportive to access of abortion services. this is a statement about what people are willing to do to make sure they can hang on to rights that right now across the country and state after state and they're getting more extreme limiting access even more. that's a real red flag to republicans. it's no surprise that in this campaign, the tactics that were used to try to get folks to change the constitution, even those campaigns knew they wanted to confuse the issue because they knew that people are very much in favor of access to abortion services and having women and families have the right to decide this, not government. thing is an important point for every campaign out there to take a good look at what happened here on engagement as well as the actual votes that came from
certain parts we didn't expect. >> jason, i would be surprised if every campaign wasn't doing just that. the question is, how do you harness the energy that is out there? >> i think by not being afraid of the issue. i mean, look, as democrats, i mean, we're pro choice. there's been a lot of times over the last several years where democrats have been like, well i don't know if i want to talk about that. well, you know, i'm pro choice but this. no, look, we're pro choice. it turns out -- i've known this for awhile, so is most of america. i'm fifth generation here. i grew up -- part of my growing up was in kansas. it's a huge deal! like, it's not just that, you know, it was a blowout win for reproductive rights. it's that kansas is a place where, yeah, like, what, 60% of people voted in a pro choice way yesterday. i don't know that 60% of people will go to work today and be like that's how i voted. because culturally that's not really what happens in kansas. i think it might be what is
happening going forward across the country. that's a big deal. >> you've been talking to people for days. these weren't big turnout nurmtss. they were enormous turnout numbers in 100-degree heat in the middle of summer. the reaction from activists -- i think, we saw a little bit as we were opening the show -- it was very telling. >> yeah, chris, i was in the room last night when the results were announced. the energy, the emotion was overwhelming. also palpable was the surprise. i've been talking to abortion rights activists here for weeks. while they were knocking on doors, they were hopeful, but they weren't necessarily optimistic, chris. they're looking at kansas here, right. they were realistic. it's a pretty conservative state. so they thought maybe, maybe the best case scenario would be a narrow win for the no-vote, for the abortion rights vote. they were not expecting this decisive of a victory for the
first ballot test for abortion rights. and they had some hurdles to overcome, too. not only was it on a primary day instead of on a general election day, but there was a lot of misinformation, misleading text messages sent to kansasan the day before the election, and still the message from the vote-no side which was saying, listen, it's government overreach. they were talking to moderate and republican voters here. by the way, chris, about every democrat, of course, i met in kansas, unsurprisingly, was planning to vote no. not every republican was planning to vote yes. there were people, religious folks, reverends, even who said i think it's a personal decision between a woman and her doctor. it says a lot going forward. i want you to hear from one of the activists we spoke with last night. take a listen. >> i know and all of the
organizers and volunteers and activists in kansas are so much more empowered by this moment. we are ready now more than ever for whatever comes next. we are skilled and focussed and connected than ever before. >> we were looking from the national perspective what would kansasan do. we were looking at how many kansas begans would show up. you talked about it, i mean, just absolutely stunning turnout. virtually unheard of for a primary race. that is going to say so much heading into the midterms in november. is it a galvanizing issue for voters? it was a resounding yes to the question, chris. >> yeah. i think one of the things, cameron, is so many states now that are doing similar things will look and say, well, what are the lessons for us. is there a lesson in the mostly red states? is it maybe reconsider how you word things, how you approach things? >> i think the bottom line is because a state is considered
solid red doesn't mean it's going to be approved something like this. i think it's what it goes to. we saw several democrats strongholds like douglas county where lawrence is, university of kansas, there was no surprise there. johnson county over the border in kansas, it shows that they have more registered republicans there and not as many democrats. more people are registering as democrats there. they voted no on the constitutional amendment. >> that's one of the things we've seen if you look at the secretary of state's office -- which is something you know about -- more people are becoming unaffiliated and they're leaving the republican party. we don't know if that's about abortion. we probably now have a clear. >> yeah. it's a part of that. here is the other thing, kansas has changesed over the last several years. when i was growing up around here, there were a lot of democrats who registered as republicans because kansas had closed primaries. they wanted to vote in a race for somebody who would end up
representing them. it's not like that anymore. there's a lot of competitive races. it's that combined with the fact that, frankly, they have watched the national republican party go crazy on issues like that. they're like i don't want to be affiliated with that. even if it's about picking somebody in the primary. >> amanda, the susan b. anthony poured money into the abortion fight. they said their activists knocked on 250,000 doors. after losing this, they put out a statement and said the stages for the pro-life movement in the upcoming midterm elections could not be higher. there will be many more factors in play. it's critical pro life candidates go on offense to expose the extremism of democrat's policy goals. one anti-abortion leader told me
it's not over. as you know, amanda, it's the game that got them the supreme court ruling. so what are you expecting from this fight as it moves forward? >> i think it will continue to intensify on both sides. what we learned is where the public is, at least in kansas. it's quite clear. that's the part that is important for campaigns out there. i think jason is right. the democratic party is learning how to talk about the issue. it's something nobody talks about. then when they have the vote behind closed doors, they actually present their opinions and perspectives, their desire to have services in that kind of voting booth center. we, as democrats, have to figure out how to talk about this. i'll add it's important culturally in the latino community and black and brown communities on how we figure out how to talk about abortion services culturally. i think that's a key piece as we move to the general election. there's no doubt here that the message that democrats have been saying for a long time, which is this is a right that women and
families want. they don't want government making decisions for them. that was a resounding message that everyone needs to dig into as we think about what is right for the country at large and what will get people out to vote in the midterms. i'm excited to see the conversations finally surface. one that is necessary when we think about taking care of women and what we need do in our families and our health across the country. >> so as we look ahead to the midterms, steve kornacki, we believe abortion will be on the ballot in california, vermont, and michigan. in montana they want to give babies born alive legal protections. what do the results in kansas say politically about the environment for the ballots? >> if you're talking about the ballot initiatives in particular, i think this is a pretty good benchmark here in terms of setting expectations for any other statewide
referendums this year on this subject. kansas is a state that voted for donald trump by 15 points. a state that is pretty solidly republican still when it comes to federal elections. if the result is this resounding in kansas, and you're talking about a california or a vermont, maybe potentially a kentucky and michigan or something like that, i think this suggests, you know, there's a pattern here now. in the post roe america at least in the early stage of the post roe america. it sets a clear benchmark for the politics on where this kind of referendum will go. the other question you're getting at here, too, is about is is the fight over abortion going to attach itself to partisan politics, to the midterm election, to the battle for the control of the house, the battle for the control of the senate. it's one things democrats have been saying since the supreme court ruling in june. they've been saying they think the supreme court ruling will
activate voters who have been, for instance, suburban areas who have been trending democratic, women, college-educated women, college-educated professionals in, particular. you were talking about johnson county, huge suburban county, this is a result in johnson county. one out of every four votes in the state of kansas yesterday came out of this county. there's a lot of counties like johnson county around the country. they've been the backbone of democratic party successes over the last few years. just to show you, it's johnson county. we'll roll it back a decade. it used to be staunchly republican. romney won by almost 20%s. it didn't take too well to trump by the end of the trump presidency. biden carried it by almost 8 1/2 points. almost 70% of folks in johnson county voted against the ballot issue yesterday. democrats are saying, look, whether this fall pennsylvania,
georgia, arizona, phoenix suburbs. they're saying there's a lot of johnson counties around the country that used to be republican and have trended and accelerated in the trump era against the democratic party. they're going to say i'm going to vote for the democrats because of this. i'm not voting for the republicans because of the issue. i think what we see in kansas is this issuist itself, which abortion is on the ballot, the results speak for themselves about where the politics of that are now. what the democrats are trying to pull in november, it's a little more complicated. it's a bank shot. taking the issue of abortion and getting voters to see it as a democrat/republican issue and try to make it their top priority issue. you know, the economy with any other concerns voters might
have, democrats are hoping voters in the swing states will prioritize abortion and make it a democrat/republican issue. if they can pull it off, it's a question. >> steve kornacki, as always, fascinating stuff. thank you. thank you cameron, amanda, and jason is sticking around. voters making major statements in missouri. what it means for any republican who wants to run for president. plus, it's something you see in movies but rarely in new life. the new bombshell at the alex jones defamation trial that jones himself is calling a perry maison moment. you've got to stick around for the story. but, up next, two major revelations in the investigation into the january 6th assault on the capitol. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. c i am a triathlete. i've always been into health, and wellness, and fitness... i tried everything with diet and exercise,
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there are two major revelations in the investigation into the january 6th assault on the capitol. the department of justice had subpoenaed trump white house counsel pat cipollone. that comes only weeks after he spent hours testifying behind closed doors to the january 6th committee. and we've also learned that more text messages from the time of the insurrection are now missing. these from the department of defense. a federal court filing citing statements from top defense
officials, revealed that text messages from key pentagon officials, quote, "were not preserved and therefore could not be searched." we'll bring in nicholas wu a congressional reporter from "political." and a former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. first the secret service and then dhs and now defense. texts are missing from a critical period from three critical agencies. i think the question a lot of people are asking, what are the chances this is just a consequence? former secretary of defense was just on with my colleague and he said, quote, "something is clearly going on here that resembles a conspiracy." do you agree with him? >> i do. it's time to open a criminal probe. if the secret service and if the department of defense officials and the dhs officials did nothing wrong, they should
welcome any criminal probe and exonerated. i'll tell you, chris, i served under every prosecute in the federal government from reagan to trump. during that time, i served under 10 different united states attorneys. there was always a lot of turnover not only in the administration but in the department of justice and at the u.s. attorney's offices. what i can tell you is wiping our cell phones was never a thing. this stinks. there needs to be a criminal probe to get to the bottom of it. >> the watchdog group american oversight asked attorney general merrick garland to open an investigation into the pentagon's, quote, "failure to preserve the communications from key officials." it includes chris miller and former army secretary ryan mccarthy. i mean, i ask you the same questions, but when you talk to experts, can these deleted text messages be retrieved? can garland get to the bottom of
this? >> it's kind of unclear whether these text messages can actually be retrieved. we saw in the court filings, actually, the search the government has made since march that once certain individuals leave government, their records are not retained. so the top pentagon officials at the center of the investigation, the former secretary and, also, army secretary mccarthy, right, they're not government anymore. it could be hard to get these messages. that being said, there have been investigations. some of the officials have been interviewed by investigators. we know that the january 6th committee talked to several of the people. we know that the department of defense's own watchdog talked to some of the individuals. even the messages are preserved, there might be sworn testimony from the officials that can
speak to, you know, why these messages might have been deleted. whether it was incompetence or something more nefarious that seems to be seen. >> you have the cipallone issue. >> some people might look at this. it's more of the same. pat already testified to the january 6th committee, but the two settings, the january 6th committee and federal grand jury are as different as night and day. the j-6 committee doesn't have any real power or a viable path to test and overcome a privilege once it's asserted. the grand jury has a direct path to promptly reserve the assertion of any privilege by a witness. all we do, and i litigated lots of privileges when witnesses would claim them in the grand jury, we go to the chief judge
who has supervisory authority. in this case it's howell in d.c. federal district court. we litigate the assertion. pat does not have a robust privilege to assert. it's for a former president and the current president joe biden, the holder of the privilege, seems inclined to waive it pretty much every time he's asked. there's the crime fraud exception. chief judge howell could find the privilege does not exist and order pat to go before the grand jury and testify about the statements donald trump made. this is a sea change from what we saw pat cippillone do. >> we have the collies about what pat is willing to testify to. why him and why now for the justice department? >> well, we're what seeing now
is a increasing convergence what the january 6th committee is doing and what the justice department was doing. the justice department's investigation looked like it started with the various -- we see it expanding a little bit beyond that. whether it's the investigation into the false. -- or other potential trains of the investigation. most repeatedly, we learned that the january 6th committee will share 20 transcripts with the department of justice related to the investigation. so, umm, you know, as we see the january 6th committee wind down, in some ways, we see the justice department really ramp things up, as well. >> great to talk to you both, thank you so much. a big night for the big lie. candidates who deny election results pulling off some major wins. so what happens now that they have to run in the general election instead of the republican primary?
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midterm races against trump-backed candidates and election deniers who they believe will be easier to beat than moderates. the power of the former president was undeniably on display. in michigan and arizona with key wins by his ardent followers. in a marquee race for arizona governor, carrie lake built an entire campaign around promoting the big lie pulled ahead inspeed of being heavily outspent. officially the race is too close to call. for arizona secretary of state, another election denier who could control that state's elections and has ties to the oath keepers won the primary. for more on this, we're joined by nbc's vonn hillyard and jason candor former secretary of state of missouri. the big lie had a big night. what is the latest on the close races? >> you're looking at mark for secretary of state.
abe for attorney general. you're looking at blake masters who told me he would have objected to the certification of the 2020 presidential election if in the u.s. senate at the time. and care kari lake's race. she sees about a two percentage lead at this point. we expect the lead to grow. the remaining ballots, at this point, are the ballots that folks dropped off at the polling location in the last 48 hours. we've seen the numbers trend toward lake. when you're talking about the implications of lake overseeing the 2024 presidential election in the state of arizona. you look at the fact that trump's pick in michigan was nominated to be the republican nominee. you have to take into account that doug is in pennsylvania. just a week from now, next tuesday in wisconsin,
trump-backed tim michaels is running for governor to take ontony ebert. you're looking at four potential major gubernatorial battles here. this is very much a republican party despite the january 6th elect committee hearings presenting quite the documentation of evidence about trump and his allies attempts to subvert the will of the voting population here. you see now he's building a stable of allies in the key swing states across the country. >> as a former secretary of state, when you see secretaries of state being at least winning primaries. potential secretaries of state who don't believe in the integrity of elections, what goes through your mind? what are you seeing as the implications? >> super frightening.
it's not just about races for secretary of state. an office that most people come to understand what it does in the last few years. when i ran for secretary of state in missouri, people were like you'll be in charge of foreign relations? they didn't know. now, unfortunately, everybody knows. the united states has to decide what team it's on. we like to think we invented everything. trump is just a game show host who came along at the time this is sweeping across the world. we have to decide in this country, state by state, secretary of states office by secretary of state's office which side we'll be on. we're a beacon usually for the world of democracy. if we falter, that's really --
>> well the guy who started the big lie, carlos, donald trump, still teasing he's going to run for the republican party nomination. do you think -- his results and how successful he was with his endorsements, with candidates who support the big lie sending the cautionary message to any republican who has been seriously thinking about running against him >>well, chris, i think that headline after last night is a little bit intimidating when you dig into the numbers, though, some of these races were quite close. the arizona race is close. it seems that, you know, lake, trump's candidate, will prevail. in michigan, they did the race that was fairly close. it looks like in washington state dan will survive their primaries, of course. those two voted for impeachment.
when you dig into the numbers, you're starting to see that continued erosion of donald trump's dominance in the republican party. still, for sure, have the most imposing figure in the party but those numbers are reeroding. about half reject the trump candidate. for those who want to turn the page on trump, there's a little silver lining. >> there are democrats who view it as a dangerous game to play with the election deniers. are democrats stronger? >> i might be. i was one of the people who thought it was dangerous but irresponsible. this isn't 2012 when clare mccaskill said todd akin is the candidate i would play around. it isn't 2012.
this is real stuff. i was one of the people woo didn't like the strategy. my message to the people who employed the strategy and have the opponents you wanted to have, you better win. there's a lot at stake now. are we seeing the extreme candidates moderating when they have to run in a general? >> let's use kari lake in an example. there are a lot of republicans here who thought lake, in order to seal the deal on her republican nomination here would try to moderate and try to be a conservative but be somebody who can present yourself as a great general election candidate. she didn't do it. she ran to paul go start and wendy rogers and she won. despite $18 million being spent against her. compared to her campaign spending just 3.5 million. these candidates they are viable. in large part, we saw in 2020,
using arizona. i think it's an example here. lake is able to surge turnout. she proved it yesterday. those new trump voters in 2020 don't have a history. they're not high propensity voters. they don't have a high history coming out. they came out in the middle of august for a primary here. lake is a known entity here on tv news for more than 20 years is able to present herself as a force and as a ally of but one who can represent arizona, if she has a very legitimate shot at winning maricopa county county and winning the state of arizona in the general election against the democrat. >> thank you. we appreciate it. be sure to check out jason's new book, "invisible storm." in the meantime, a rising death toll out west as the wild fire continues to torch northern
california. are firefighters close to getting the blaze contained? we have the details next. first, it's a sad day for baseball fans everywhere. legendary hall of fame broadcaster vin scully has died at the age of 94. he was the long time voice of the dodgers moving with the team from brooklyn to l.a. calling games for an astounding 67 years. he was behind the mic for many swrm iconic moments including the '56 world series, to hank aaron's home run in 1974. he may be best known for this moment. in game one of the '88 world series with gibson up in the bottom of the ninth. high fly to right field and
asthma, or smoking. even if symptoms feel mild, these factors can increase your risk of covid-19 turning severe. so, if you're at high risk and test positive - don't wait - ask your healthcare provider right away if an authorized oral treatment is right for you. a record heat wave is baking large parts of the u.s. here in kansas city, it has felt like a sauna. for most of today, it'll feel like 100 outside here. the heat hitting the people of kentucky really hard as they deal with the damage from the devastating flooding that killed at least 37 people. it's so hot in that southeast -- in the southeast of that state, they're now opening cooling centers. a woman in the area told the associated press, it's so miserable. the humidity is so high. it takes your breath. i'm just blessed that we don't have rain anymore.
the searing heat in california is shifting the fire season into overdrive. at least four people have died. more than 100 buildings have been levelled as massive wild fires ripped through the northern part of that state. the situation may be improving. nbc's gadi schwartz is following the story. >> reporter: fortunately over the last 24 hours, we've seen favorable conditions for firefighters. they've gotten in there and shored up the containment lines. we've seen temperatures that have dropped. we've seen just the right amount of rain to slow the fire down. we've also seen limited lightning strikes in that area. however, the thunderstorms are set to be back today and this afternoon and tomorrow. those thunderstorms can be a blessing and a curse. they can bring more lightning that starts more fires, which is what we've seen several times this week. it can bring heavy winds that fuel that fire. or it could bring an extreme amount of rain, which causes catastrophic flooding in an area
that is just been swept through by fire because of the tremendous burn scars we've seen left in its path. authorities saying they spent the last 24 hours going house to house, door to door, to try to see if anybody else might be unaccounted for. they said they have accounted for most people that were missing. unfortunately, yesterday, they found two more bodies two people in separate homes, in addition to the two people found over the weekend inside a car inside a driveway. authorities said they believe all of those deaths are fire related. at this point, it's still 0% contained. the fire hasn't grown much from yesterday to today. it's hovering around 56-57,000 acres. back to you. >> nbc's gadi schwartz, thank you so much for the report. the alleged high land park shooter entered a plea of not guilty today in a courtroom in illinois. the public arraignment lasted seven minutes.
his next court date has been set for november 1st. he's 21 years old. he faces 117 counts, including 21 counts of first-degree murder. seven people were killed. more than 40 others wounded during the parade shooting. police say he confessed to the shooting in a voluntary statement. if convicted, he faces a mandatory sentence of life in prison. after days of intense pressure, the senate overwhelmingly passed the veteran's health care bill last night. it will expand health care benefits for an estimated 3.5 million veterans who were exposed to toxic burn pits. full-time many camped out for days. many of the vets were allowed in the chamber to watch the vote. republicans who had first voted for the bill then backed away from it came under withering criticism and the final vote count was 86-11. nancy pelosi has left taiwan
but leaves behind a country now bracing for china to begin live fire military drills tomorrow. a major escalation of tension. nancy pelosi's visit to the island followed weeks of warnings and threats from china. while there, she assured taiwan of u.s. support for the democracy which china says belongs to them. the speaker's trip came in spite of opposition from president biden and she became the highest-ranking u.s. official to visit there in a quarter century. still ahead, an update from the alex jones defamation trial. i'm telling you, what happened today is almost hard to believe. the evidence he was just shown that his lawyers accidentally sent to lawyers representing the parents of a sandy hook victim. stay with us for that. the parents of a sandy hook victim stay with us for that. businesses "open". fields "open".
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contents of jones' phone by mistake. the lawyer showed jones his own emails about sandy hook after jones had testified under oath he couldn't find any. lewis's parents are suing jones for $150 million. scarlet lewis testified yesterday jones had made her life, quote, a living hell. ben, this feels like it only happens in movies, not in real life. >> it's probably too stupid for "law & order." his lawyers sent over the contents of his entire phone to the sandy hook lawyers by mistake and as of two years ago, he was allowed to use them in evidence. over the last few days, alex jones have said some things that are demonstrably false, just not true on the stand, specifically with his bankruptcy, a faux bankruptcy, about his financials. now we know it's not true.
in fact, we got for the first time in years we got a sense of how much info wars make on a day-to-day basis. there are days where they make $800,000 a day. think about that. he is saying that this lawsuit will bankrupt him if $2 million is the settlement. it is a truly wild courtroom moment that i don't think anybody was expecting. >> i mean, that's crazy. if there was a single moment that captured that in the courtroom. and the conspiratorial mindset, it had to be when the mother went over to him yesterday. what happened then? >> alex jones said he has a torn larynx and has been coughing at strategically placed moments throughout this trial. scarlet lewis, whose 6-year-old child died at sandy hook, in
which jones once said was synthetic and staged. she brought him a bottle of water. he went to shake her hand and by the end of the convention he was telling her she was being manipulated by lawyers and started screaming at her. and the judge had left the courtroom. it was pretty harrowing for a few minutes. >> wasn't there a point at which the judge got so frustrated with jones lying that he cleared the courtroom? >> reporter: yeah, the judge, she's been unbelievably upset with jones' lying in general but also his lawyers, who have been doing things like chewing gum over the course of the trial, not taking this thing seriously. you can't take it any less seriously than sending over the entire contents of a phone to the other side. that was a truly shocking moment
today. >> ben collins, thank you for your ongoing reporting of this. people who doesn't follow you should follow you on twitter. it's fascinating to read. thank you very much. join us for "chris jansing reports" every day at 1:00 eastern. and a big thanks to the amazing crew in kansas city who got me on the air the past couple of days in all this heat and rain. yasmin vossoughian picks up our coverage next. next.
hey, everybody. good to see you. i'm yasmin vossoughian in for katy tur. the president expected to speak any moment now, expanding access to reproductive care and other health services. these remarks were scheduled before the official results out of kansas last night where voters turned out in droves to decide on a measure that would have taken abortion rights out of the state constitution to hand the issue back to the republican dominated state legislature. they rejected it decisively, 59-41. it is the first time americans have voted on abortion rights since roe was overturned back in june. the most tangible example of the political backlash of the supreme court's reversal. opponents hoped the timing would in fact work in their favor, especially given t