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pro choice side in kansas last night on this very hour i was thinking about all the people i don't know personally but who i knew made it happen. organizers, door knocker's, people powered politics. my very first job in politics was as a field organizer in virginia for barack obama in 2008. i learned more from politics in that one single job than any other job i've ever had. that's why in order to be a good organizer you have to know the policy backwards and forwards, and you have to know the talking points as well as the defenses. and you apply that knowledge to the very most important skill -- talking to people. you have to be able to have a conversation with another human being. imagine that. truly a lost art.
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my first guest tonight will be two young organizers, 19 and 21 years young who have thrown themselves into this fight. one knocking on doors in kansas and one knocking down congressman matt gaetz all wrote some raising millions of funds for reproductive freedom. and then we'll be joined by the old lauren gallagher who's been working for change every day in georgia. change that we can all potentially benefit from. last night, voters in kansas voted for choice by an 18-point margin. in a state where donald trump beat joe biden by 15 points. political notes if, the politics of roe proved wrought for republicans in kansas, it's going to be even more
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treacherous for the gop in swinger, more moderate swath of the country. senate majority leader chuck schumer echoed that exact message earlier today. >> the strong pro-choice turnout we saw last night in kansas will continue well into the fall, and republicans who side with these extremist maga policies that attack women's rights to sow at their own political risk. >> turnout in kansas reached almost presidential levels. over 900,000 people voted, nearly two and even three times as high as previous primaries and two thirds of the turnout in the 2020 presidential election. that turnout reveals just how much the republican party miscalculated voter support for abortion rights and what can be an ominous sign of things to come this november. but it's also a victory for organizers on the ground who tuned out all the political punditry and the analysts and mobilizing galvanized voters
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through the polls by knocking on doors and actually talking to them about what this amendment would've meant for real women and people in the state of kansas. bans or severe restrictions on abortion exceptions including no exceptions for rape or incest that are being pushed by republican legislatures all across america are not what the majority of the american people want. when faced with the reality of what that actually means, abortion rights activists convinced voters to send a strong and clear message, including republicans as the new york times notes. register republicans far number democrats in kansas -- and abortion rights activists made explicit appeals to unaffiliated voters and center-right voters. in interviews last week in populist johnson county, kansas, a number of voters said they were registered republicans but oppose the amendment -- a dynamic that almost certainly played out all across the state, given the margin. we knew when the supreme court
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overturned roe versus wade that it would be a powerful, motivating issue for democrats. but what we saw last night play out was in kansas. new polling today shows further further movement away from the republican's extreme agenda. a new monmouth poll finds that 54% of americans want democrats 50% to be in charge rather than republicans won 50 43%. that's an 11-point swing just away from them wrap republicans just since about the. last night reproductive rights advocates celebrated the victory and the message sent to republicans who don't support a woman's right to bodily autonomy. >> what's the message that kansans sent to the rest of the country tonight? >> don't mess with us! seriously. there is more of us than there are of them who are trying to
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attack our reproductive rights and freedom and i think we sent a message that lies, manipulation, voter suppression, the other side can try and use those tactics to try and oppress us but they don't work. we know our power and we're gonna keep shopping showing up to vote. >> don't mess with us. that's the message that republicans in the united states congress and in state legislatures all across the country should hear tonight. the vote in kansas on abortion rights proved that you at home are not alone. you're in the majority if you support abortion rights and you have the power to create change because you still have the power to vote. in america and in democracy, the people still have the power, and the way to channel that power is to organize it. leading off our discussion tonight yasmin bernal valdes a college student from kansas who knocked on doors advocating for abortion rights. also with us olivia julianna, activists and strategist who
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raised over $2 million for abortion rights. and that was in a response to an attack by congressman matt gaetz. i will start with you first. what is your reaction to last night's result and turn it. were you surprised at all given what you heard from tara talking to actual voters in kansas? what message does this send? >> well i think it sends a very clear message that we are here and that we aren't going anywhere and that we are going to stand for reproductive rights no matter how long and
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how much work it takes. as an organizer, i know what i was like to knock on doors and the hot weather and definitely i would do it 1 million times again just to ensure that every person in kansas would be insured reproductive rights. i was completely amazed and instill so, so excited. i've been on cloud nine all day. >> tell us more about the experience of knocking on doors and talking to voters on the ground. as a political analyst, pundits we sit in studios and we do analysis based on polling data and focus groups. but there's nothing to compare to actually talking to real people and as you mentioned, it was in the summer which is very hot. talk about that experience of actually talking to people about this referendum. >> yes, so as you mentioned it was really hot but aside from that that didn't take us away from canvassing and knocking on doors every day that we could. we texted we did all sorts of things to ensure that voters were informed, that they knew exactly what we were rooting
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theywere voting for. as you may have known, the amendment was written in a very confusing, very elitist way that if you knew exactly what it meant even if you are super informed and super involved, he still didn't really know what voting no and what's voting yes meant. they did that all strategically on purpose. they were a very well funded campaign. they sent out lots of misinformation and voters were confused. that's exactly what our canvassing efforts tried to fight against. we tried to make sure the people were informed and that low propensity voters, first-time voters, the first time registered voters, that they all had the information that they needed to get to the polls, vote early and really get their choice of voting being made. we were so excited that we did not let voter suppression in canvas with all the gerrymandering, this is a non partisan amendment, we were able to get to talk to people
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from both sides of the aisle, republicans democrat and anybody out of the sun in kansas. >> i love all of that because it gives people some color about what that experience was like if they haven't done at it themselves. and olivia, you were body shamed by matt gaetz. i haven't actually asked you before. what was your first thought, let's raise some of money for abortion funds? how did you use a personal attack against you a 19 year old u.s. citizen from a congressman to help you fund-raise for the issue to that you care so much about. >> you know i am a private citizen, i'm a young person, first and foremost i'm an activist in a fund-raiser. when i have an opportunity that's going to help some people in our community, that's what i mean to do. so by attacking me on twitter matt gaetz gave me a national platform to talk about why bodily autonomy is important why abortion access is something that people across
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the country care about. >> just a quick follow olivia why is bodily autonomy so important? what message do you hope americans got from this moment where the attention is on you because of the attack? >> abortion is health care, point black period. we are hearing from people across the country who people can't get access to abortion services, whose hospitals would not give them access, where they are slowly dying in their beds because hospitals are afraid to provide these procedures to them because they're afraid of getting sued, prosecuted by state governments. it's a health procedure, it's very difficult procedure for people have to come to make. so by targeting women across the country republicans are essentially saying, they do not care about your health. they do not care about your freedom and they do not care about your constitutional rights. this is a precedent that has been set for decades long before i was born. for them to go after this not only are attacking your freedom,
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but they are also ignoring voters and the opinions of people across the country. an overwhelming amount of people support access to abortion that's what we saw last night in kansas. >> i think it shows that the polling was accurate. a majority of americans support choice. olivia, do you think the older generations underestimated the power of gen z and it's making change? i think maybe get angry about climate change and other issues, but do you think that's basically an underestimation of your power potentially? >> i think it's an extreme underestimation. i know that as long as i've been conscious of politics, i know the age-old notion that young people don't vote and don't care about voting. we've seen that that's not true, we saw in 2020 in the presidential election when young people turn and record to vote out donald trump. we saw it in kansas, we saw young people registering to vote. we saw first-time voters. this is showing not only that young people have power at the
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ballot box but they're making their voices heard. we're seeing young organizers political campaigns across the country, young organizers and nonprofits across the country. i think that this idea that young people are not politically involved, they are not socially justice involved is one that is blatantly false, and i think it's meant to demoralize people across the country. from geting involved in these causes but clearly it is not working. >> jasmine the same question to you, do you think you are underestimated and why do you think your generation is so impatient at this moment and you're just going and ignoring all the analysis and you're creating the change you want to see? >> yes, so i definitely do think that i completely agree with everything you said. i think we are underestimated, unaccounted for, we are not seen as powerhouses at the ballot box when in fact we are. i personally cannot vote is a
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daca recipient so i understand not being able to understand with american democracy but i do everything and mobilize everyone i know to get out and vote. gen z millennials, we were raised under the notion that abortion was a right, that is not something that can be stripped away so when roe v. wade was overruled, we knew they were coming after us that we had to do something specifically in kansas. we knew we were going to be the first state to vote after roe v. wade and we knew we had to mobilize as many people as possible. we did not sit there and cry and be scared like the snowflakes do. we stood up and fought. we knew we had to do and got it done. i have so many of my friends there were low propensity voters, voters that have never been talked to to mobilize to the polls, and whether it was sending them election guides, finding the poll locations anything that i could do to
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make sure that they were well informed and excited to vote made me feel like i was right there with them. >> i've really enjoyed this conversation. it's giving me hope and i hope the folks at home are feeling optimistic and the opposite of cynical right now. yasmin and olivia thank you for being here with us please stay safe. joining us now lauren growargo, lauren are you feeling hopeful? i am after that conversation. >> absolutely and i think that segment was so emblematic of this year were young voters in particular are so fired up and focused. it's crystal cut about our who's on our side and against the side. here we have a lot of different
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examples i'm excited to talk about that. >> in the state of georgia, obviously stacey abrams the campaign you are running and running against the current governor brian kemp. georgia was a surprise for so many folks in 2020 not just because joe biden but the special election and this is a matchup that everyone's paying attention to. i want to take a look at a new high that's out from your campaign targeting brian kemp in this exact issue on abortion. >> it's an attack on the women of georgia. >> brian kemp made abortion a crime. >> before many women even knew they were pregnant. >> he supports a total ban. >> even if i'm raped. >> a victim of incest. >> forced pregnancy. >> criminalize women with jail time. >> out loss and birth control. >> under camp, i could be
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investigated, and imprisoned for a miscarriage. >> for a miscarriage. >> the only way to stop this >> the woman of georgia >>'s to stop brian kemp. >> you know lauren, a lot of people say abortion is health care and it's often put out there as a talking point but can you talk about how in the last few weeks a lot of americans including the ones turn and record numbers down in georgia understand the life and death stakes when women don't have access to the full slate of reproductive health care including abortion? >> absolutely. a couple of hours earlier this evening zerlina stacey abrams convened some women who had suffered pregnancy loss in georgia, and we're joined by 500 women in on zoom to listen in solidarity. then we got to work in organizing after the conference. but those women share that miscarriage in a pregnancy loss looks like a medical abortion in many cases, and now we have district attorneys on the record in georgia saying they may be forced and law enforcement is going to have to look at and potentially criminalize women for potentially illegal abortions in those women will have to prove that it was a health risk
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in that instance. that is terrifying so the stories that are happening around the country are now here in georgia with the six-week ban. what is so hopeful however to the theme of your show tonight is that kansas last night was a real life in person electoral example of what we've been seeing in our research. zerlina, i think you've mentioned, i've been doing this for a couple of years, for about 20 years, i have never seen the type of polling qualitative research we've both been seeing internally and both in public polls in georgia. this six-week ban is an absolute loser politically for kemp. it is overwhelmingly opposed. the six-week ban in fact is opposed by 25% of likely voting republicans and overwhelmingly opposed by independents and democrats. i don't have any illusions that those 25% of hard-core republicans are necessarily going to vote for stacey abrams but they are certainly getting educated about why brian kemp
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is a danger to them and their daughters and their sisters. zerlina, the law of the land now is that if you are a rape or incest victim today in georgia, by the time you even realize you are pregnant, you cannot access abortion care unless you have a police report. american statistics are something like ten to 15% of women file police reports. so this is an economic, moral abomination of a law passed in the first year of the kemp administration. this is the same guy who likes to take credit for not committing treason but his palling around a false electors. do you hear what happened in last month? he appointed a false elector to a water and soil conservation board. a couple of days ago, we lost a huge music festival in atlanta music midtown because of his gun laws and all the gun things happening. so there are economic, political and human consequences to this far right
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anti-woman anti-safety anti-community agenda and we are going to vote him out and all of his friends here in georgia and across the country in november because women and those who love them are not going to let their wives, sisters and children languish in a hospital bed and get sepsis before they get hospital care. and we for damn sure are gonna run a lot more ads but most importantly we are organizing. so what do we do zerlina? after that painful conversation about pregnancy loss, our incredible team of organizers got those women on our organizing tools app and got them to go canvas on saturday. we are building a strong campaign and we hope everybody watching will go to space-y stacey abrams. com and help us get this done.
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i love recording volunteers, so fun. i love super volunteers, i love the community that you can create at a field of office. it's one of the best parts of politics. one of the undercover parts of politics. i'm so glad to have all of you here to start off tonight. thank you so much for being here, please stay safe. coming up, now for some bad news. republicans who are totally cool with overturning results of elections, they don't win, had a -- they are closer to positions of real power, it could be a threat to our votes in 2024. that is next. plus an extra boost of support for your immunity, brain, and hair, skin & nails. new one a day multi+. 80% of couples sleep too hot or too cold. because quality sleep is vital, the sleep number 360 smart bed is temperature balancing, so you both stay cool. our smart sleepers get 28 minutes more restful sleep per night. save $500 on the sleep number 360 c4 smart bed queen now only $1,299. lowest price ever. for people living with h-i-v, keep being you.
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ballot in five state primaries last night. some of the results showed that donald trump and the big lie are still the greatest domestic threats to american democracy. in arizona, two election deniers won their party's nomination. the third election denier, arizona's republican candidate for governor keri lake is in the lead as the race remains too close to call. peter meijer, who voted to impeach donald trump after the january 6th insurrection, lost his reelection campaign to a trump endorsed election denier. these trump republican candidates are a clear and present danger to our democracy. that is what is at stake in the midterm elections just nine
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97 days away. trump endorsed election deniers could ascend to the highest positions of power and state governments, and support laws that tear down our very system. long gone are the days where the biggest threats to the democracy solely came from abroad. we saw this on monday, when president joe biden announced the killing of al-qaeda leader ayman al-zawahiri, the announcement of the u.s. strike that killed the al-qaeda leader was a reminder of a time after 9/11, when the biggest looming threat was foreign terrorists, and foreign attacks against americans. as we saw on january the 6th, the trump mob, made up of our fellow americans, incited by a lie, attacked the united states capitol in an attempt to subvert american democracy. all at the direction of the president. donald trump, and the big lie persist because of the people who continued to pedal it. that is what continues to put
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these election deniers in positions of power. that's the danger of all of this, and that's what it will do. it will finish the job that donald trump attempted to do while he was still in office. the job of tearing down our very democracy. joining us now is frank fugluizzi, who served as fbi assistant director of counter intelligence. he is a msnbc analyst. we used to focus on foreign terrorism, after 9/11. and this is a week where i was reminded of that. but now, it feels like there has been a seat change, where after january the 6th, 1/6. and the committee hearings over the summer, the threat seems like it is coming domestically, versus how it used to come. what is your take on it? >> zerlina, your perceptions are correct. if we were to listen to the head of the fbi, for example, who testified almost a year ago now on capitol hill. what did he say? he said the fbi has had to
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prioritize at the very same magnitude, the sense of urgency, the direct domestic terrorism cases that they have. along with the international terrorism. we are seeing them on the same plane, and the threat is very real. the threat is coming from inside. that is a sobering thought, zerlina, when we are talking about our own american citizens as threats. and now what are we seeing with regard to what happened yesterday in certain gop primaries across the country? we are seeing a further legitimizing of this threat, in the form of a party choosing as their standard bearers, people who make a deliberate choice to undermine our faith, in our free and fair elections, in order to believe a lie that has been disproven over and over again in courts. that an election had been stolen.
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that's a deliberate choice they are making, and it's a deliberate choice that the entire party is making to go with those candidates. that is a threat in our own backyard, moving quickly to our front yard. and that legitimizes as the threat in the minds of people. this is my candidate, this is my party's candidate, it must be true. it must be okay. we had somebody in arizona yesterday, who is now going to be the gop candidate for the secretary of state, he will control elections if he wins. he is actually a self avowed member of oath keepers. leadership of oath keepers, nine of them have been charged with seditious conspiracy against the united states government. this is the guy, a member of the knit organization, that has not renounced them. he wants to control elections in the state of arizona. that's the threat from within. >> is there a way to marginalize the big lie peddlers in a moment like this? does it require cooperation from other republicans? is there any way to do it as an american citizen who cares about democracy?
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>> we have to call out the truth constantly. you are doing it just by having this segment. it's being done across many outlets. but most of, all it's about consequences and accountability, while you are exposing continually people to the truth. what do i mean by this? already, well over 100, 800 perhaps approaching 900 of individuals have been held accountable for the consequences of january 6th. we talked about oath keepers, and the proud boys leadership. they were charged with the second most serious crime that you can be charged, with seditious conspiracy. that has to come at the highest level. we talked about legitimizing this threat in peoples minds. you have delegitimized, marginalize it, when you make people see. there is accountability here. the doj has got to deal with this through severe consequences and accountability at the highest level, to whoever is found criminally responsible. i have to believe that is going to have to have, been because i have to believe that our
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democracy is going to survive this. >> we all hope, as americans. frank fugluizzi, thanks so much for being here and understanding all of this. please stay safe. now on to that doj investigation coming up, new indications that the department of justice is ramping up their investigation in the effort in the effort to overturn the election. they will join us next, with their analysis. l auto pans and zooms to keep you in frame. and the meeting on track. meta portal. the smart video calling device that makes work from home work for you. we just moved. so there's millions of - dahlias in bloom. over nine acres. when we started, we grew a quarter of an acre. now i'm taking on new projects on the regular.
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exec that morning and mr. cipollone said something to the effect of, please make sure we don't go up to the capitol cassidy. keep in touch with me. we're gonna get charged with every crime imaginable. >> we broke the news last night that the department of justice has subpoenaed trump white house counsel pat cipollone and today we learned it also subpoenaed his deputy, pat philbin. the new york times reported today that this is all coming quote, when federal prosecutors are sharpening their focus on the conduct of mr. trump and not simply the people who are advising him. in recent weeks, event investigators had asked witnesses questions about mr. trump and his actions including of people who worked in the white house. if you're only paying half attention to the january 6th hearings and i don't blame you, it's summertime, let me just clarify a couple of things before we move forward. grand jury subpoenas we're talking about right now are not subpoenas from the january six
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committee. we're talking about the grand jury, the committee that has been holding the public hearings you may have seen on primetime tv this summer is not the grand jury. these subpoenas are from the federal prosecutors at merrick garland's justice department and the feds have the ability to charge anyone they find has committed a crime. yes, that potentially could include the former president donald trump, and here's what january six committee house committee member adam kinzinger had to say about that and the pat cipollone subpoena. >> this is probably bad for former president trump. if he goes in front of the grand jury it shows that this is more than what did john eastman do, the attorney that came up with that crazy scheme to overturn the election and it
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probably is of very deep interest and what the president did. there's no doubt that this investigation has developed further along even though where we thought it was a few months ago. >> joining us now glenn kirschner former prosecutor and joyce vance, a law professor alabama law school and both are msnbc analysts. joyce, can you understand the significance of subpoenaing white house counsel in the white house justice department criminal investigation? seems a huge step in their investigation? how do you see it? >> it's very important certainly and what this signifies is that the justice department has now moved on to including the former president in their field of interest. doj doesn't investigate individuals, it doesn't target individuals, it looks at crime. so what this decision to subpoena the white house counsel and his deputy means is that the former president's
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conduct is within the scope of the investigation, because the white house counsel spoke directly to donald trump. you might be able to elicit testimony from him about trump 's reaction when he was told and show evidence that he was lost the election or when he was advised that some of his schemes for holding on to power or borderline illegal perhaps even over the edge. so this direct testimony that what trump said and did in response to information that was conveyed to him could be critically important to doj's decisions down the road about whether or not to charge and who to charge in connection with january six. >> glenn i want to read you a little bit from the new york times piece. it says it was unclear which grand jury had called mr. cipollone to testify as a witness. two are known to be hearing evidence in testimony -- one is looking at the scheme of some of mr. trump's lawyers advisers to several slates of electors who would falsely claimed that mr. trump was the
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actual winner of the election, and another focused on the events of january six. so pat cipollone would likely have information that's relevant for both of those grand jury's. in your view to think this signals that other folks even could be called and subpoenaed and because they have the same type of information that could help investigators fill in the holes of what we know about what happened leading to january six? >> zerlina, this is not the end of the line for subpoenas they're not going to stop at pat cipollone. and the reason it's very important and it's important that you distinguish between a j six committee testimonial appearance and a grand jury testimonial appearances because all testimony is not created equal. we all saw in the public hearings pat cipollone invoke executive privilege. he kept looking over at his lawyer and his lawyer was kind of giving him one of these signs so he wouldn't testify about certain things. well the january six congressional committees don't really have an effective
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vehicle to challenge, to go behind those assertions of privilege and try to get testimony. not so in a federal grand jury. there's a robust vehicle to test someone's assertion of privilege. you know what we do if a witness assert privilege in a grand jury? we package up the information and we go see the chief judge, berril howell in federal district court in d. c. and we litigate the privilege. they don't have the opportunity to do that at the j six committee if somebody asserts privilege. and i have to say, nobody knows for sure but when that privilege is litigated in the event pat cipollone tries to assert executive privilege in the grand jury berril howell could very well say no because one it's not donald trump's privilege to invoke anymore it's joe biden's and he seems entirely willing to waive the privilege and 2, we have this little thing called the crime fraud exception.
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so they're sort of belt and suspenders. two reasons to deny an assertion of executive privilege. so now the information is going to start tumbling out in a way it didn't necessarily before the j 6th committee. >> this is getting really interesting. joyce and glenn, you're not going anywhere becausewe have to talk about alex jones's trial. we need to do that right up next. i try to stay in shape. that's really important, especially as you age. i noticed after kids that my body totally changed. i started noticing a little pudge. so i took action! coolsculpting targets, freezes and eliminates treated fat for good. no needles, no incisions. discuss coolsculpting with your provider. some common side effects include temporary numbness, discomfort and swelling. you've come this far... coolsculpting takes you further. visit
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first day of deliberations just a few hours ago. jurors will decide if alex jones owes $150 million in damages for the pain that he inflicted on the parents of a child killed in the sandy hook massacre after years of lying about the shooting. donald trump's conspiracy peddler pal testified under oath that he did not have any text messages on his phone related to sandy hook. but today, alex jones learned on the witness stand that his very own lawyers accidentally sent the sandy hook family's lawyers two years of text messages, catching him in yet another lie. >> your attorneys messed up and sent me an entire digital copy of your entire cell phone with every text message you have sent for the past two years. it fell free and clear into my possession, and that's how i know you lied to me when you said you did not have the text messages about sandy hook.
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did you know that? >> i told you the truth, i gave them my phone. >> in discovery, you are asked, do you have sandy hook text messages on your phone? you said no, correct? >> you said that under oath. >> i was mistaken, i was mistaken. you got the messages right there. >> you know it perjury is right? >> back with us is glenn kirschner and joyce vance. so glenn, the question on everyone's mind is, will jones be held accountable for what he has done here? >> how could he, not zerlina. anybody who profits off of the pain of the sandy hook families, telling these outrageous lies like apparently alex jones has been. it's really hard to see how he
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is not going to be held accountable. and frankly, my ears perked up when i heard the opposing counsel has had the last two years of text messages, not wanting to mix apples and oranges. i have to wonder if there is anything on there that might have alex jones communicating with proud boys, oath keepers roger stone, steve bannon, rudy giuliani. perhaps people in the white house. i wonder if the phone records genie is now out of the bottle. if that is something that the january 6th committee, and perhaps even federal prosecutors might be interested in. >> that is a fascinating detail. and thread we will all keep an eye on that. joyce, we saw in the charlottesville verdict that civil lawsuits do work against these far-right figures, the mission militia group types. they really just act like they have impunity to do whatever they want. do you think that holding them accountable by making them pay, literally, is an effective way in holding them accountable.
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and to prevent other people from doing the same thing? >> these civil lawsuits have the capacity to be tremendously important. i think that the place that these strategy got underway as when the southern poverty law center sued the ku klux klan and were able to bankrupt the klan. that worked in as many ways and it is compelling as a fashion thin print -- by making it impossible for the plan to carry on its continued operations. and so this is the same sort of approach towards infowars, which is just a merchant of hate, a merchant of lies. you stated, zerlina, by asking
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if the jury would be able to hold jones to account here. my suspicion is that during their deliberations, they will be bemoaning the fact that 100 $150 million is what is being asked for, they cannot do more. but if they were to remove that verdict, it will be a very powerful one. it will put him out of business, it will serve as a warning to others that try to traffic in these sorts of lies. and as going into mates, it may have far-reaching consequences as a result of this trial. and documents and materials that came to light during. >> joyce vance, and glenn kirschner, thank you for joining us. please stay safe. heather mcgee will join us next, in tonight's last word. eroid free spray. while other allergy sprays take hours astepro starts working in 30 minutes. so you can... astepro and go. it's 5:00 a.m., and i feel like i can do anything.
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think tank our next guest devoted her professional work to developing policy solutions, and issues of inequality. focused on policy, is to be focused on progress. that's an inherently optimistic pursuit, one that requires
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leaning into hope overdue help and despair. it led heather mcgee to quit her job at deemos, in order to travel around america and meet the americans who are coming together across racial lines to fight for solutions in their cities and towns. she shares those stories of these everyday people that power american democracy, in the brand-new podcast, the sum of us. heather mcgee joins us now. >> thank you. >> thank you so much for joining us, it's so great to see you. you begin your podcast in montgomery, alabama, at the site of a former community swimming pool that was drained of all of the water and cemented over in 1959, because the community did not want to racially integrate the pool. the symbol of the poll is pool is something that runs throughout the podcast. talk about the people that you met along the way, and tell us some of these stories that resonate with you as he went about making this podcast. >> this podcast is a follow on another journey, to the journey
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that i took to write the book, the some of us. the drained pool stands not just for what happened to swimming pools in america that were publicly funded, but what happened to free college in america that was publicly funded. what happened to good families sustaining wages, and good jobs, and union jobs. why we didn't ever fill in the pool of public goods around health care in the first place in this country. and a single, unifying answer is racism. and our politics and policy making that is so subversive, then it actually ends up costing all americans. the solution, because racism ends up stopping us from having collective action, and doing things together to solve our problems is for people to come together across lines of race. i set out on this podcast to dig deeply into the stories of people like the folks that are profiled in the episode that just came out today. a black homeless former veteran, and civil rights leader who teams up with a white disgraced republican congressional aid
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from the abermoff scandal. you really can't make this stuff up, but it's honestly true. together, they help set the strategy for the campaign to overturn a jim crow law in florida, that created a lifetime ban on -- with felony convictions. there are nine other stories like this across racial solidarity, people saying that we have to refill the pool, and make things work better for all of us. >> we just have one more minute, but how do people overcome their differences? we hear so much that it is, you, know we cannot talk about race, but you have figured out how. how have you done that? >> just in a minute. i really just listen to people. people like folks that we are going to hear from next week, brigitte and terrence. bridget is a white woman, white working class, poverty wage, fast food worker, terrence is a black food worker.
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they were miles apart physically, and in terms of everything that they would ever be on the same side. what ended up happening was that they realized that by being divided, and by blaming themselves, blaming each other, blaming immigrants for the lack of good jobs, they were actually just playing into the hands of the boss. it was through organizing that they were able to come together, become friends, and ultimately win a massive wage increase in their state as part of the fight. i think that's the theme of the show tonight organizing. >> heather mcgee thank you so much for joining us. that's the last word. 11,000 stephanie ruhle starts now. tonight the subpoenas just keep on coming in the investigations into the former guy's insurrection scheme as more text matches go missing and
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more re-elect consequences show up at the ballot box. plus we get a friendly reminder when it may take to get that big health and tax bill passed. and sure enough the loophole could get in the way. and then there's a big twist in the alex jones trial. years of his own text messages and emails and up in the hands of the very people who want him to pay for his lies. that and more as the 11th hour gets underway on this wednesday night. >> good evening once again i'm stephanie ruhle. there's even more evidence tonight that the justice department's january six investigation is zeroing in on some very powerful officials in the in the trump white house. and d. c. news has confirmed the top lawyer in the trump administration former white house counsel pat cipollone has been subpoenaed by a federal grand jury. his closed door testimony was a significant report of the january 6th hearings. remeer