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united states authorizing this unprecented search? >> yeah, andrea, what o sources have told us about the search warrant that was executed is that it was -- it did specify that the fbi was going to be looking for claified information. and information from the president -- related to presidential records.
but this is something that officials, not just in the fb but in the national archives as well has been dealing with over almost a year now. the bac and forth between trump's counc and the arcves started shortly after auguration, once they realized that there were items missing in the archives as they were going through the presidential records that they had. d 15 boxes were already picked up in january. that continues and there was more extended back and forth. d the only reason why archives hadn't stopped that process of continuing to recover additional items on top of these additional boxes of classified and presidential records is because classified information was found. once that happened, that was then passed over to the f and archives inspector general. and from there, it is now clear
to us, accordi to our sources, that there was more back and forth. and a feeling that during these communications and interactions with trump's lawyers in between investigators into the criminal probe that they were being untruthful with the records that might potentially still remain at mar-a-lago. and that there was a suicion, even, again, going back month now. that there were still items that were lingering that had not yet been turned over. so, it still remains to be seen what exactly they retrieved from the former president's safe. but they were certainly looking for outstanding items. >> the whole scenario is just so amazing. but jonathan lemire, the former president leaning into this he's a martyr, that it's a witch hunt, it seems to be working with his space and with his potential 2024 rivals falling in
behind him, attacking the fbi, some virulently. >> yeah, ever since donald trump launched his career back in 2015, 2016, a major platform has been victim, portraying himself as victim. all about grievance, and martyr. and that intensifying, of course, after the 2020 campaign and after the election when he claimed the election was stolen from him and of course, that's not true. and he's doing it now. suggesting once more that the deep state, if you will is attacking him, and is unfairly persecuting him. and it is interesting, as i and others have reported in the last few days, trump's been encouraged how republicans have fallen in behind him. he entered this period seemingly a little weaker than he had been since january 6th. he regained his power and because of january 6th, his core started to drop and potentially challenging him in 2024 if he
begins to run himself. we see all of those candidate, mike pence, other, all condemning what happened here. even pretty avowed, mitch mcconnell also denouncing what's happening at the department of justice. so trump in a strange way, just as it seemed like he was losing grim on the republican party has regained it some but i'll caution, at least for now, when it comes up, when it's revealed what the fbi wanted and if it is inde revealed that he broke the law, that could change. >> and to that very point, andrew weissman, could something have happened. i know thiss speculave that would suggest what that might be, but something outside, knowing that he had the documents, how important it was to get the docents back. what led merrick garland to make this enormous decision, could they have picked up indications from a foreign power that was
some indication from the documents and donald trump, was he using them for something. it's hard to imagine what got the justi department from june, when they were sll negotiating with him, to say, okay, wre going in. >> so, with that caveat, this is definitely speculative. i have the exact same intuition, andrea, for somebody as thorough as merrick garland and lisa monaco to approve is, they would have had to have information that there was extent at mar-a-lago documents of such singular national security interest to the united states that that overwhelmed all of the other interests here. that those documents had to be repatriated back to the government. that they should not be in the hands of a private citizen, let alone a private citizen who has a history of beingavalier with national security documents. and again, for speculation, i
strongly suspect that is the reason they went in. but, you know, time will tell whether that's true. >> and, ken, i'm going to shift gears to something we were breaking this morning which is the justice department has released a criminal charge against an iranian national living in tehran, they believe, for an attempt to kill former national security adviser john bolden. the fact that the assassination attempt has led to secret service protection for john bolton, since last december. now, separately, i'm aware that other former officials have protections from diplomatic security including former secretary of state mike pompeo and iran negotiated. so this isn't the first time that iran has been accused of this by the united states. there was another case involving alleged assassination against
the saudi al shabare right here in georgetown. do you want toet us up to speed on this? >> this is a major, major delopment, the justice department releasing charg against a iranian master who was a member of iran's revolutionary guard corps. d they're accusing him of attempting to pay a confidential source $300,000 t kill john bolton. as you alluded to, there's been a sense that threats have been swirling for ahile around the iranian governmentround several key trump officialsn the wake to kill the head of the quds force. bolton has resigned as national security adviser but was a key architect on iran. this harkens back to the 2011 cafe milano plot to kl the
governor. and saying this is an iranian plot, blaming the government of iran here, andrea. >> and the fact that they're blaming the government of iran in days before there's a possible breakthrough in the iran nuclear deal. the proposed deal with iran and united states for ayatollah khomeini to make a decision, yes or no. we're told take it or leave it. and any day we could hear that one of the demands from iran is that iran be taken off the terror list which is something that the trump administration did. it's clear now why they absolutely refuse to take iran off the terrorism list. this could blow up that agreement. there's some internal disagreement between the state department and other prosecutors, investigators at the doj as to whether they're going to reveal this now. but there may have been other reasons to reveal it now.
john bolton has put out a statement also thanking the secret service that have been protecting him, but also saying coincidentally, this is another reason not to destroy the iran nuclear deal which he's fiercely opposed. ken dilanian, on all things, dan drew weissman and jackie alemany and jonathan lemire of "the big lie." the price you pay after months of inflation, prices could come down. former secretary larry summers is joining us next. this is "andrea mitchell reports." you're watching msnbc. oral treatments can be taken at home and must be taken within 5 days from when symptoms first appear. if you have symptoms of covid-19, even if they're mild don't wait, get tested quickly. if you test positive and are at high risk for severe disease, act fast ask if an oral treatment is right for you.
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larry summers served as treasury secretary to president clinton and director. joining us right now from beautiful aspen, colorado, i bet it's not pushing 100 degrees. so,ood for you. >> true. >> what is you take on the data toda what about core inflation, are you seeing any improvement? >> look, i think this was pretty good number. we knew gas prices were way down. and that that was going to have a large effect on headline. the core number was a bit better than we expected. people expected. that was largely driven by components like hotels, like airlines. like used cars, that are volatile month to month, they're hard to seasonally adjust, especially coming out of the pandemic. and that aren't so easy to
measure. so i think it would be a mistake for anyone to radically revise their view of the situation, based on these numbers. this report is a lot like the report in march which was followed by very discouraging reports afterwards, making the optimists from march look long several months later. so, i'm not saying that that's going to happen again. but i think we just need to maintain a sense of uncertainty and wait for the data as it comes. i still think we have a very serious inflation problem in this country. i don't think that inflation problem is going to go away on its own volition. and so, i think we're likely to have some quiteurbulent times
ahead. >> and still, the possibily, you told me last time, 75% chance of recession as well? >> yeah. i mean, every month -- every mont where we don't have one, i suppose it goes down a little bit. but i think if you said, with the horizon of two years, i would say a 75% chance of recessio is about right. looking at the fact that the economy has many aspects of overheating, looking at a traditional financial indicator. the fact that long-term bonds have lower interest rates than shorter term bonds, looking at tremendous amount of uncertainty that's expressed by consumers and business people. >> i also want to mention the senate democrats legislation which they call the inflation reduction act. how much real inflation reduction do you think this includes? especially now that they watered down the drug costs control
considerably, limiting it to medicare patient >> i think it's going to operate in the right direction on inflation. i think it's going to do some fundamentallymportant things for energy. and the environment. and for having a better functioning tax system. so, i was a strong supporter of the bill. and i think very importantly, unlike a lost ofther fiscal measures that have been proposed or implemented, at various stages, it's going in the right directio rather than in the wrong direction. but i don't think any impact is likely to be large, unless it's followed up on, which i certainly hope it will be, with more revenue edging. >> and then, obviously, a lot of us follow you on twitter, what about the last-minute carveouts for private equity and minimizing the justice reduction, how do you justify it. you wrote i'm pretty cynical or
hardly anti-business in particular but appalled by the end stage of the senate bill's passage. there's no legitimacy for the argument of carried maintenance which senator thune and senator sinema's carveout of the bill above the specialty. >> kind of says my view pretty well. you can argue about the technicalities of the thing involving pooling of private equity interests, andrea, it's a technical thing. but i don't really get the argument at all for why people who work for a living and earn their living by doing investing, for other very wealthy people should pay the taxing at half the rate that the rest of us do. and that people who earn money do. that just seems wrong to me.
and that's the effect of the carry interest loophole. and in case i thought this was being driven by the merits all you need to do is study the patterns of the campaign contributions received by some of the major actors here. and how hard some of those who are benefitting from the tax break have worked to preserve it. so, i don't think that was a particularly inspiring example of our democracy. even though on balance, i think it's clear that the bill is better than not having passed the bill. >> thank you very much. larry summers. appreciate it. >> andrea, great to be with you. >> you, too. and after afghanistan, a year after the disastrous u.s. withdrawal, a former commander of all u.s. forces looking back with a critical eye. general david petraeus joins us next. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc.
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safe without american troops on the gund in afghanistan. >> i made the decision after 20 years of war, the united states no longer needed thousands of boots on the ground in afghanistan to protect america from terrorists who seek to do us harm. and i made a promise to the american people that we continue toonduct effective counterterrorism operations in afghanisn and beyond. >> but the former commander of all nato and u.s. forces in afghanistan has a different perspective, he writes in an articl in "the atlantic" the problem is thatot clear that our withdrawal from afghanistan has ended the ends war there or even ended our involvement in it. joining us from general david petraeus who wrote that article. and the former cia director who served as commander of the nato and u.s. forces in afghanistan. very good to see you, general. thanks for being with us. >> thank you, andrea. >> well, the tme of your
article is that the afghanistan war did not have to turn out this y. so once the trump administration d agreed to this view, back in the previous way, what alternatives did the incoming biden administration have to withdraw. they argue they didn't have. >> well, there are a number of alternatives. we could have just kept 3500 troops there. added some drones and air power, the coalition forces of 8500 largely wanted to stay and that would have enabled the 15,000-plus contractors to stay who are so critical to maintaining the u.s., provided the helicopters and fixed wing aircraft that were critical to the defense strategy of the afghanistan forces. but there were alternatives. it would not have removed all the boots on the ground to cover the bases but for not just avenue gone, but for the regional counterterrorism campaign and it certainly would have avoided what i think is
quite a devastating situation for afghanistan and the afghan people that we tried to help for 20 years and have literally left behind. including, i should note, well over 160,000 afghans, some 70,000 of which qualify for the special visa because they were translators and then their family members who were left behind. so, this enabled our would-be adversaries to say you can't count on the americans. they're not a reliable partner or ally and we're a great power in decline. now, i think our very impressive response to the russian response in ukraine has put that image further in the rear view mirror. nonetheless, i think the situation that we left behind is one that is really quite trag, quite heartbreaking, and as i mentioned, devastating for the afghan peoe. >> now, acknowledging all o that, the white house claims it
is that if they had stayed past this deadline, the taliban would have rewed their attacks on u.s. forces, that they had stopped, if you will, killing us, because of the commitment to leave by the end of august. do you buy that? >> well, it' a bit more than that andrea. they'd stopped killing us because we weren't on the front lines anymore. we had transitioned a year and a half earlier to what was called an advised, assist and enable campaign. where the only forces we had on the front lines periodically were special operationsorces carrying out the unilateral counterterrorism force or joint forc. and other forces were essentially in afghan headquarters where were we providing asstance and enabling. enabling them foreclosed air support and bring our own drones and air support to air. wead not lost a soldier in 18
nths that's much longer than the period back to the doha agreement which, of course, the taliban had already violated by allowing ayman al zawahiri,he end of the al qaeda, to be in a sa house in kabul. and beyond that, we reversed a lot of other policy decisio from by the previous administration, the withdrawal of the world health organization for the parislimate accord, from various oer international activities of the previous administration. there's no reason that we couldn't have witrawn from this one. would there have been an offensive? yes. i thin we could have dealt with it quite effectively with air power. and, you know, yes, the afghan security forces collapsed under the weight of this simultaneous number of offenses conducted by the taliban, by the way, helped by our fcing the afghan government to relse 5,000 taban deal takenees as part of that agreement. but we could have beaten that back, think. i think we were very capable of doing that, we provided the
required air force needed. and afgha forces died 26 times as many on the battlefield as did american soldiers so they would fight if they knew that someone was coming to rescue. >> you know, you write that the very presence of al zawahiri, in downtun kab at the presidential palace shows they had protection obviously from the taliba they were saying in a haqanni safe house. >> i think very clearly, the liban have been very close with al qaeda and there's no reason to suspect that to change. one might have thought since they did that the lasttime, and of course, the 9/11 attacks were planned when they allowed al qaeda sanctuary in afghanistan, they refused to eliminate that sanctuary tmselves which is
why we had to go in. one would have thought we would have learned from that but that does not seem to be the case. more interesti is the terrorist element actually from that level, the islamic state affiliate of the islamic state that is carrying out near daily attacks in afghanistangainst the taliban. almost certainly within afghanistan a western pakistan at this point in time. but recalling how dangerous the islamic state was when it established a caliphate in northern iraq and northeastern syria. this is one that we clearly keep our eyes on, i veryonfident that the fbi and cia are doing that, witnessing the extraordinary operation that took out al zawahiri with no collateral damage whatsoever but that takes a lot of effor if you don't have bases in afghanistan or perhaps near afghanistan. >> on a separate topic, we're
just learning from an unsealed department of justice documen that there was an iranian plot to kill john bolton, national security adviser, thi at the moment when the iran nuclear deal is going to be reconstituted. what is your reaction? >> well, my reaction is that the iranians remain very, very dangerous in that the islamic revolutionary guards force, quds force, where presumabl the operator that is trying to do thiss from is a very dangerous organization. and one of the things the previous administration did, o course, is take out the head of the qods force when he was busy in baghdad and planning we believe operations against americans. the elements of iran have gotten more dangerous in rent years in terms of their proxy elements in lebanon, iran, yemen and other places again, all enabled
by the qods force. the qods force activities have gotten more dangero and the drones and other retaliatory capabilities have gotten more challenging as well. that said, something that would roll back their nuclear program, without havingeen any of the details, but if it rolls it back very considerably, that would be something, i think, that you have to have very,ery serious examination. not because it couldn't preclude what might be option b on the other hand which is something thatould open up who knows what if you actually had to take out that nuclear progr because it is so close to having a nuclear device. and because our policy is that iran will not about allowed to have a nuclear device. >> it's -- it's a frightening prospect, absolutely. thank you so much, general david petraeus on all fronts. and thank you for this article on afghanistan. >> thanks, andrea. >> as we approach the
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under russia's control. this could indicate a significant escalation in the war. moscow denies that any of its aircraft were damaged or that any attack took lace. joining me are ben rhodes, former adviser and admiral james -- admiral, ukrainian officials have not claimed rponsibility for these explosions but they're poking fun at russia's explanations that munitions caught fire and blew up. where do you come dow >> andrea, as you know, there are these things called satellites which have extremely granular capability. they can tell y exactly what's on the ground. for the russians to claim that the jets weren't destroyed, i've seen pictures of it all over the internet. they're accurate. given the endle surveillance that's foolish on their part to try to claim otherwise reminds
me of when the flagship of the black sea was sunk, same kinof lame explanation. this is a big move. it's psychologically important. crimea is a bastion of pro-russian sentiment. probably this is special forces, potentially, coupled with long-range fires. very good day for the ukrainians and way up north in europe, sweden and finland are getting closer and closer to joining the alliance. joe biden just signed their passage here in the united states. we'll see tho two nations join suit. overall, pretty good week in the war in ukraine. >> and, admiral, let's talk about the strategy on the ground. are they trying to regain me territory so maybe they can get into talks at some point. because right now they've lost
about 20% i think i heard you say this morning. >> they, the ukrainians, are inde preparing for offensive operations in the south. and certainly president zelenskyy eoldened by the continuing success of his forces is talking more and morebout actually injecng russia from the territory that they hold. that's gng to be a very difficult thing to do militarily. but psychologically, just like the strike into crimea is important, if the ukraians can take back kherso that would be a major psychological victory given that it kind of controls the water sply and the key rout into kherson. >> b rhodes, on the other hand, a u.s. official telling us that officials have been conducting trainin as part of a deal for iran to transfer uavs
to russia. so this could be an ominous reat for raine. >> yeah, it's introducing or advancing a different capability for the russians. however, i think it also does point to their shortfalls. the shortages they're facing in technology because oexport controls and sanctioning have been put in place. i think their preferred partner in terms of supplying additional military technology would not be iran which is not a first-tier military power, it uld be china, which has supported them in some ways with purchases of oil, but not with the kind of military backfill that russia needs. you're seeing reports of russia civil aviation having trouble getting spare parts. we've seen this happen in iran under sanctions as well. on the one hand it introduces an adtional drone capability but it speaks to the fact that russia doesn't have very many
places to turn and that's in contrast to thekrainians who have a steady flow of weapons coming i from the west and from the united states, most recently this week with an additional billion dollar drawdown of weapons. there are reasons for the ukrainians to think that they might benefit from the current situation in terms of the sanctions and the capacity to restock weapons tt are being used in really brutal fighting in easrn ukraine. >> ben, the international atomic energy agency says that there is some damage at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant after that weekend shelling. but that available radiation measurements continue to show normal levs at the site. but this is clearly worryg. we don't know what's going on there. we don't have eyes on there. d the russians are using it as a fortress for their artillery. >> that's right, andrea.
there are two things -- two of many things that are worrying about this. the first is, what you need is for international experts to get access to facilities like this to make sure that there's not a risk of a leakage of radiation and nuclear fuel that is in the midst of shelling and the midst of a russian offensive. and that leads to the second point here which is that the russians are using this as cover for their attacks on the ukrainens which, again, prevents the kind of maintenance that you would want at a nuclear plant like this. it focuses pressure on russia to stop using this as cover and make sure there's not a rk to the civilian populatio in ukraine and russia for that matter. >> thanks to both of you. and on another note this morning, president biden finally signed that bill into law expanding health care benefits to veterans exposed to toxic burn pits in iraq and afghanistan. the senate finally passed the bill last week but only after 25
republicans had switched their votes to kill it but they were shamed by outrage from veterans groups around the country who, along with veterans' families, were camping out at the capitol for days and helping lead those protests john stewart who was at the white house for the signing ceremony today. today president biden highlighted the obligation that the u.s. has to these men and women who served us overseas. >> we have many obligations. only one truly sacred obligation, to quip those we se into harm's way and to care for them and their families when they come home. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." thanks for being with us. "chris jansing reports" starts right after this. tein for muscle health. versus 16 grams in ensure high protein. boost® high protein also has key nutrients for immune support. boost® high protein. is it me or does everyone auditioning
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♪♪ hello, everyone. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. with the legal troubles facing donald trump closing in from two distinct directions at this hour, the former president has now done something he mocked others for doing. he pleaded the fifth. take a look. you see him there leaving trump tower this morning. the new yor attorney general is investigating the trump organization. trump was set to testify under oath about his business practices including what investigators have said is a pattern of embellishing