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(soft music) tonight on "the reidout" -- >> so there's five people taking the fifth amendment like you see on the rob, right. you see the mop takes the fifth. if you're innocent why are you taking the fifth amendment? >> gesz what trump did today. if you said he pleaded the fifth, you're correct. 1,000 points for you and the maga enablers are all on the same page about the fbi surge at mar-a-lago. they have idea what the evidence is but they firmly believe it was planted by the fbi, plus, why voters need to pay attention to the critical position of secretary of state. republicans have nominated someone that is eager to overturn results she doesn't like. i'm jason johnson in for joy
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reid. we begin with more on the search at donald trump's mar-a-lago home. while trump and his allies have been raging the fbi and the justice department have remained conspicuously quiet. here's what we have learned. according to authority the federal authorities drew increasingly concerned that the man, i don't know, known for skirting the law for the last 40 years and his lawyers, have not returned all of the classified material that he carted off with him when he went scurrying down to florida after being booted out of office by joe biden. i a cording to "the washington post" officials, quote, blame, suspicious -- became suspicious that when trump gave 15 boxes of items to the national archives about seven months ago, either the former president or people close to him held on to key records. trump attorney christina bobb, the former oan reporter who helped spearhead the recount said trump's legal teams were in discussions with the justice department this spring about records stored at mar-a-lago.
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but the lawyer who was present when the fbi arrived along with a number of other lawyers said the agent took 12 boxes of material. trump and his lawyers received a search warrant for his tate and the manifest of the materials the agents gathered and removed. he knows what they took, but they have so far refused to make that public and that's no coincidence. it allows the former president and his followers to dishonestly accuse the fbi, the same group catching the oklahoma city bomber and some of the world's worst child predators. >> how do we know that they didn't put something in the box tone trap him? >> they didn't allow anybody on the inside of mar-a-lago so we have no idea if they planted evidence. >> newt, i have a couple of thoughts. number one, i wish i trusted law enforcement. you need some form of law enforcement to have a civil society. i'm right with you they are
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planted evidence. >> quite honestly i'm concerned they may have planted something. >> it's amazinging to me. charlie kirk trusts law enforcement when they are killing black people but not when they are investigating trump. this has left trump supporters not just triggered but also paranoid. sources tell axios that people in trump's circle are speculating about which close aide or aides flipped and provided sensitive information to the fbi about what former president trump was keeping at mar-a-lago. what's missing in their defense of the president that he was engaged in for years if not decade of legally questionable behavior, so when they say if they can do it to him they can do it to you and what they leave out is the fact that they may have engaged in a legal activity, so, yeah, if you break the law and steal classified material and lie to the irs or defame a woman who accuses you of rape, the feds will probably want to talk to you. what they are glossing over is back in 2018 after calling for hillary clinton to be jailed, trump himself actually signed a law that stiffened the penalty
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for the unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents from one to five years. this is what we call the find out phase. joining me now is nbc news correspondent vaughn hillier who is not far from mar-a-lago in palm beach. i'll start with you. i have been around trump rallies. i have been around the hospital when trump had covid. what is the mood like on the ground? is it a clown car? are people praying? are they yelling at reporters who have the audacity to try to see what's going on. what's sort of the feeling in and around the area of mar-a-lago? >> reporter: jason, there are several hundred folks who were here yesterday actually when i flew in overnight to make my way here. there was gentleman sitting next to me flying in from georgia with his trump gear on to come to what he considered the defense of the former president and that's what's important
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about the last 48 hours. when we put it into context. the department of justice has still not officially commented or provided any information. we saw christopher wray who was in nebraska today say he could not comment on any investigation here, and what has happened as a result of that is that the republicans have essentially filled that void here. you hear -- often hear conspiracy theories coming from the donald trump corners of the right wing politics of today, but this -- this conspiracy theory that you mentioned here about the idea of planting material, that started at the top, donald trump and then echoed by the likes of u.s. senator rand paul. last night on sean hannity, you saw u.s. senator marco rubio warn millions of americans that they were going to be next, that they were going to have their social media accounts watched and they would be targeted and potentially arrested for defending donald trump here. there is so much that has been unanswered by the department of justice and exactly what they were looking for. i think it's important to note that there were multiple boxes
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that had been removed previously this summer here from mar-a-lago, but donald trump one would assume knew what other materials he had. >> right. >> potentially other classified documents here, and ultimately it is a matter of what was in those documents there, hand that's what ultimately at some point we hope to have a better clarification from the department of justice. >> nbc's vaughn hillyard, thanks so much. >> let's bring a former u.s. assistant attorney and current attorney for the leadership conference on civil rights and nick ackerman, former assistant u.s. attorney and assistant special watergate prosecutor. maya, i'll start with you. you know, the sort of timeline that vaughn laid out there was interesting, that there were documents taken earlier but they realized that trump had other additional document. i'm fairly confident that these documents weren't marked old vhs tapes and family photos and they forgot where they were in the middle of the move after he had to flee the white house so my
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question is from an investigative standpoint, what would be the logic behind someone holding on to additional documents that you know that the federal government and the archives are still looking for? did they think they would eventually not ask him to return these things? >> look, he was on full notice to your point, jason, that the national archives were saying these documents belong to the federal government. they do not belong to you, and it is unlawful for you to have them, and you have to return them. when they got the 15 boxes back, they alerted department of justice because they already knew they didn't have all the documents, and what transpired over the past seven months. obviously we don't know all the steps, but we do know that there were efforts made including the fbi just having conversations with donald trump with his lawyers about additional documents, so, you know what, we have seen is frankly what is probably a lengthy process of trying to get the documents
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knowing they exist, some documents, because there was some reason the national archives said, hey, 15 boxes and we still don't have them all, oh, and by the way national security secrets, things that the national archives said in february would be very dangerous to national security. so when you look at this timeline, what see is actually a timeline that suggests investigators did everything that they could to get cooperation and that there was something so dangerous, so concerning for them, that they were able to get an independent judge. >> right. >> someone who does not report to the white house, someone who does not report to merrick garland, has no reap to fear the loss of that position because of any of them and doing something that is historic which means no judge will do it lightly. has to be presented with evidence, by the way, evidence that the fbi is not going to
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share with donald trump's attorney that they are likely to find something if they are given permission to search. that's what we're talking about, and that's what happened here and one other thing. there's not one shred of indication that anything was planted. in fact, there are witnesses to the search in public reportings, two journalists saying it looked pretty low key. they showed up. they did this. they did that, so they are actually trying to distract, deflect and share essentially disinformation to try to undermine law enforcement on what is fairly serious concerns about documents that may have national security in them. >> nick, one of the things that you're hearing from trump world is that somebody ratted us out, right? there's a leak. somebody snitched, and we all know that snitch, you know, stand for sorry, i need to come
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home. it means that somebody there is incentivized to tell the fbi hey, look, it's in the kitchen behind the knife, behind, you know, the statue, et cetera, et cetera. do you think the fbi's ability to go in and out fairly quickly and obtain these boxes was because they had a pretty good idea where they were to begin with because they had to get documentation before or do you really think that somebody in trump world perhaps under investigation for some other reason gave them this information and said, hey, if you turn left when you go to the second bathroom i think you'll be interested in what you find under the cover. >> oh, i think somebody in trump world did give them information. i mean, not only do you need probable cause that a crime was committed. you need probable cause that the evidence of the crime exists in mar-a-lago, and it has to be recent. it can't be steal information. this -- you know, this whole business with classified documents, we don't really know if that's what this was all about because the source on all
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of this are the donald trump people who were at mar-a-lago. i mean, this is not government sources. the one way you could find this -- and certainly there had to be somebody who was an insider that basically directed the fbi agents as to where this was in order for this information not to be stated. it's got to be in the last 30 days so donald trump probably does have a snitch in hits midst, and what we really don't know is what exactly they were looking for and what it is they seized. now, donald trump has the ability to clear this up pretty quickly by turning over to the public the search warrant that would give us the details of what they were looking for and where they were looking for it because where they were looking for it, if they knew it was in the safe. you don't put classified documents you're trying to steal necessaryfully a safe. there's all kinds of things he
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could be use and putting in the safe, and he also has the inventory of everything that was taken. >> right. >> if we had that information, we'd have a much better idea of what is going on, what was taken, why the search was done and what the purpose of it was. i mean, all of this other stuff is exactly what the trump people have been doing over the last year about claiming that the elect was stolen. it's the same nonsense that we've been listening to for the last four years. >> six, actually when we really think about it. >> right. >> maya, i want to play you some sound from fox news, marco rubio being part of the big freakout and i want to get your thoughts on the other side. >> we need to clean house and prosecute all of these bad guys for petial misconduct. >> i'm telling you the next thing you're going to see here and it's the playbook. they are going to begin to say oh, these trump supporters, these republicans are very upset.
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they are saying very angry thing. we think they might be a friend. we think they are radical extremists. let's arrest them. >> we're into tin pot dictator third world stuff. >> america is under attack. >> we have got to change our federal government. the way our federal government has gone it's like what we thought about the gestapo. >> maya, obviously the hyperbole is very common from them, et cetera, et cetera, but what i want you to take a look at from just a legal analysis is do you think any of these people are trying to either create distance between themselves and trump, trying to set up some sort of legal explanation for people don't know or there's some sort of prosecution or lay out the groundwork for counterinvestigations this fall because at the end of the day, as nick just said, this is all pretty simple. donald trump can tell us tomorrow what was taken from the building and everything else will be fine, so what do you think this freakout is really about behind the sort of rhetoric on tv? >> well, there's nothing legal
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about this freakout. really what we're seeing is the news is bad. it's dangerous and bad. >> right. >> for donald trump. it's dangerous and bad for anybody who has spoken up in favor and for donald trump and that frankly they are going back to a playbook that says let's just get people to distrust government. >> right. >> we don't have to say what the facts are. we don't have to know what the facts are. we don't have to say whether we even believe donald trump or not donald trump. we just have to cast aspersion at the fbi. we just have to cast aspersions at the attorney general, someone by the way the left and center spent a lot of time complaining about for not going after donald trump sooner so like no matter how you slice it, i don't think there's any question what purpose it serves, but i want to add one other thing because the only thing that has been serving this narrative is having an attorney for donald trump suggest, plant the suggestion, that evidence was planted
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frankly out of whole cloth and out of thin air, but here's the pattern with donald trump that is a fact. we know from the mueller report that he has asked attorneys to lie for him before. >> right. >> he did it before -- it was part of the obstruction count in the first impeachment where he asked three emissaries to ask don mcgahn and then he asked don mcgahn himself, his white house counsel, to lie. >> yeah. we know this is not -- none of these people are honest brokers. maya wiley and nick ackerman, thanks so much for starting it us out on "the reidout" today. up next on "the reidout" trump pleads the fifth, something he once ridiculed when others did it. "the reidout" continues right after this. hers did it. "the reidoutco" ntinues right after this
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donald trump has long mocked those who invoke their fifth amendment rights and legal proceedings, including comparing them to the mob. >> when you have your staff taking the fifth amendment, taking the fifth so they are not prosecuted. fifth amendment, fifth amendment, fifth amendment, horrible. her staffers taking the fifth amendment. how about that. so they are five people taking the fifth amendment like you see on the mob, right you? see the mob takes the fifth. if you're innocent why are you
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taking the fifth amendment. >> today was mr. america first pleading the fifth. when trump dose not to give up his right to self-incrimination as he was set to testify under oat in a civil case. trump released a statement saying if you're innocent why are you taking the fifth amendment. now i know the answer to that question when your family all the people of your family have become the target of unfounded witch hunt and the fake news media you have no chase. the so-called witch hunt is the civil suit games has been considering filing against the former preponderance of the evidence saying he inflated numbers and it was confirmed that trump had actually pled the
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fifth and added, quote, attorney general james will pursue the facts and the blew. joining me now is editor of bloomberg opinion and msnbc analyst and tristan snell, former assistant attorney general for the state of new york. thank you so much. tristan, i'll start with you. not a lawyer. always say this. when i hear somebody plead the fifth i basically hear not guilty. that's somebody's way of getting out of any sort of responsibility whatsoever. legally, what does it actually mean to plead the fifth in this kind of investigation? >> well, the key here is that this is a civil investigation, a civil prosecution, not a criminal one, and in a criminal case if you plead the fifth you can't actually say that that means the person was guilty. in a civil case you can then draw the inference as it's referred to that the person is liable of the conduct that they
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are being alleged of doing so in this case the court will be able to say that, well, anything that he took the fifth on is something that we can say that that was evidence of his liability. >> so, tim, this is another part of this that always gets me. we know that trump is a liar, that he isn't reliable in one sort of context or another but i wonder if this is actually the case that gives him the most heartburn. this is the one that has him up eating steal hamburgers and night. we don't know what's going to happen with these investigations because these financial christian is what people do get in trouble for. >> jason, i want you to repeat taking the fifth in the high toe. i would love to use that as a
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ring tone on my phone or something. i cannot hit that know. i was impresses by that. trish james has a very high bar. he has to prove that trump knowingly mislead his investors and mislade the value of his property and she needs to prove intent. again, that's a very high hurdle. she also has to prove i think in the case of the banks that very sophisticated lenders were duped by donald trump, that they didn't do their own due diligence that they made claims to him about how much the properties were worth. it's a different standard with tax collector. you don't assume that the tax collector has the same kind of sophistication as a bank and it might have been easier for trump to dupe them. it's no surprise that he took the fifth multiple times because
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donald trump is a lawyer's worst nightmare, a habitual liar, he exaggerates and embellishes and stay on script. no lawyer wants to put somebody like that under oath because basically it's a time bomb. when i litigated trump and we deposed him tore two days, eight hours a day, during the 16 hours of deposition, our lawyers caught him in more than 30 lies. >> goodness gracious. >> claims that he made in the past that were completely false on a wide variety of topics including how much he got paid to give speeches to more material thing, like the value he placed on the sale of condominiums and other items, so in that context not surprising. i do think it's a turning point that he took the fifth. i think thandcation that trish james is at the end of her investigation and she will have to make a decision about whether
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or not to indict him and we'll get clarity about where that investigation is headed. donald trump, he answered one question, his name and frankly i can imagine he lied about that. he did at one point. he read a statement where he called the inquiry the greatest witch hunt in the history our country and accused the aig of trying to destroy him. lawyers and investigators are people, too. do you think this kind of antagonism actually inspires and motivates these people to be even more aggressive in their investigation. look, if somebody comes in and is constantly yelling at you, that probably makes them even more dedicated to this, or do you think they are stop cold robots, outside of buckingham palace, unmoved by this and this campaign and investigation will continue regardless of how aggressive trump is with them during the investigation. >> it's a little bit of both. i wouldn't say aggressive.
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i would say dedicated and determined. we had this in the trump university matter. when you get to them. it turns you into that outside and it turns you into winston fricking churchill. you'll be a bulldog and you won't let go because you can't let them move you off your blocks. the more he does something like this it won't make things better for him. i think it will cause him to say, nope, we're going to stand our ground and one thing i would note here is that this is actually a civil case under executive law 6312 is likely what -- we don't have the papers yet, but that's likely what's going to get brought here, that this is a civil investigation. they do not need to prove knowing conduct. do not need to prove intent and do not need to prove that
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lenders relied on the misrepresentation. we don't know this 100% for sure but there's a high probability. i used to work on the civil prosecution side at the a.g.'s office, 6312 is what we brought trump university under, it's a different standard here and it would not be as high it is a would be for a criminal case. that's very much working in the a.g. office's favor here. i think they will stand their ground and keep it moving and i think they just got exactly what they were looking for by deposing trump. >> tristan, quickly. another point from trump world. we've got rudy giuliani who is basically trying to find any excuse he can to not show up to court down in fulton county. his lawyers tried to say, you know, his recent heart issues are the reason why he can't fly to atlanta and the judge said, look, unless you can provide me with a better medical excuse, i think uber works on highway 75. we see this in mob movies all
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the time. people pretend they have mental illness and heart issues. do you think this kind of thing is going to be common with giuliani? is he going to eventually have to come down, or do you think he may be put in a home or claim he has a massive medical issues so he can avoid facing prosecution? >> you know, rudy giuliani is a riddle inside of an enigma and inside of a gosh, who cares, can somebody get the guy to follow the law at some point here. maybe atlanta has a four seasons landscaping that he can go work out of and call his home base for a couple of week. he just needs to find a place down there that he can call his own and he can order some more hair dye. look, the thing is that these excuses are excuses that judges hear all the time from sort of your two-bit criminals. everybody always has the dog eat their homework. the judges aren't stupid. this isn't their first rodeio.
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they are not going to fall for this kind of stuff so when you come in saying the dog ate my indictment and i can't come, you know, because my parakeet is sick, like no one is going to care. they are just going to say you need to come down. >> they don't play that in atlanta. tim o'brian and kristen stealth, thanks so much for joining us tonight. president biden extends his winning streak signing the veterans health care bill into law as his climate and drug pricing package nears the finish line. we're back in a second to talk all about it. n a second to talk all about it
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i've ever seen. tell congress to shut it down. paid for by the dawn project. this is the most significant law our nation has ever passed, to help millions of veterans who are exposed to toxic substances during their military services. you know, secretary mcdonagh can tell you, i was going to get this done come hell or high water. today the bill expanding health care for millions of veterans exposed to stocksic burn pits officially became law sink the pact act. it's just one accomplishment in what may be the best woke of joe biden's presidency so far. yesterday he signed the chips and science act which will boost domestic manufacturing of
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high-tech computer chips and on friday the house is expected to vote on the inflation reduction act that includes the largest investment and claim the the country has ever seen a $$35 price cap on insulin for medicare users, and a 15% tax on large corporations, an initiative the senate has been trying to get done for decades with no help from republicans, shocker. gas prices have fallen as well for the is 56th straight day. the national average now dipping below $4 a gallon. yes, gas is now cheaper than cove, and biden did all of this while more than 50% of americans still claim they don't think he's doing a good job. joining me now is a member of the house veterans affairs committee and don callaway, the founder of the national voter protection fund. congressman, i'll start with you, the pact act is huge. tell me a little bit about what
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that means for the veteran community whose lives will be altered and saved due to the passage of this legislation. >> jason, i started fighting this fight five years ago with a local consistent died. she was 39 years old. she was stationed where beau biden was stationed. she tied of pancreatic cancer and said it was due to the bush pits and promised me to continue this fight. since then we've been gaining the attention that culminated in today to fulfill the promise i wade to her and all the other veterans. there were widows crying, veterans on oxygen that were barely able to breathe walking to this event telling me in tears that they now have hope, that if they die their families will be taken care of look, this is an historic accomplishment by president biden with the most expansive access to health care
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for veterans in generations, over $3.5 million veterans and their families will be positively impacted. their pain and suffering will be relieved because they have access to medical care based on the hope act and if they die their widow and families will be able to be cared for because they will receive their benefits based on the presumptive benefits for war fighters. this bill will save countless lives. >> i want to add to this because i don't think a lot of people realize the large percentage of people that come back sick and had financially strapped by their medical bills, whose families are bankrupted by the medical bills. talk a little bit about what the economy impact of this this kind of policy will be on families all across the country after having given up everything they
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could for our country. before this law over 70% of claims they applied for, the proof was on them to show the illness was due to the exposure of burn pits. 70% of those claims were denied. they had to cramble for money and scramble the system open if they were underinsured and that meant financial can a cast if i. now this bill is the law of the land. they won't have to go very far because the v l.a. have to take care of their illnesses and give them the benefits that they have earned and that they deserve >> you know, i have to say this. we popularize it from the rock to the recent movie ambulance, this movie coming out recently. we've literally made hollywood films about people who served in the military who didn't get
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their just due and commit crime and we've finally seep presidents timely do something. maybe we won't have to hear these stories anymore. this is what's interesting to me. i and many of us, i've been quite critical on president biden in many areas but the guy is having a fantastic last two weeks. i don't know if he's suddenly mark jones or whatever it is. it seems like something has turned around the last couple of weeks. what do you sympathy strategically may have been happening in washington with the president or is it great timing that all of these policies god signed right now? >> none of this stuff happens overnight. ideas are germinated at the beginning of an administration, cycled through many different staffers and through different committees and folks who have jurisdiction to write these things and hopefully some of those seeds come to root at the right time. it's coming together at a very good time for joe biden because let's all be clear what this is. we're going into the mid terms and we're going into the mid terms with some substantial
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legislative wins but also a president, a former president who is on brink of a person walk. a great week not only for joe biden but great week to show that representative democracy can still get things done. i want to say really quickly one quick word on veterans health care bill. the toxins infecting our warriors is nothing new. this is a generational plague that we have put upon those who serve. you heard those coming back from world war ii and korea with bad breath and certainly aware of agent orange in the vietnam era and the burn pits of the iraq and achg era. if we do nothing else, then let the legislation be instructive for the future. unfortunately, there will be future conflicts but we can move faster and more humanely to address those chronic illnesses that our soldiers, unfortunately, will come back from future conflicts. we can address them at the beginning and won't have to have celebrities and famous advocates getting behind their cause
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because we can hopefully take what congressman louise and his colleagues have done today and use that as a blueprint for taking care of our soldiers in the future. it's extremely important what they have gotten done. >> coming up on a brain. great jobs newspaper. inflation was down to zero. gas prices have been going down. which of these things do you think democrats should be crowing about the most? which of these things should they be putting in every single campaign commercial for the next 35 days to remind america of what they have been table do while they were governing and the other side was trying to overthrow the country. >> all that have plus the elements you left out which is for the first time you can negotiate prescription drug prices as a recipient of medicare. that's the biggest thing that's going to make a direct impact on everybody's kitchen table regardless of race, geography or otherwise. that's the biggest piece and that can change the tied of the mid-terms. >> congressman and don calloway, thanks so much for good news. i love good news. out of character. i love this stuff.
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deniers have been nominated for the november battle is this in several states. seven have won republican primaries so far including one in minnesota on tuesday. next week the former president will host a fund-raiser for fund-raiser christina karamo she's one of candidates running to fix that means overturn the 2020 election. joining now to discuss the state representative bee nguyen the nominee for georgia. secretary of state be it is great to meet you. i finally get to meet you in person live on the show. i want to start with this. i feel like secretary of states and this office in 2022 is what district tierney's were in 2018
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after we saw police violence in ferguson. people say this is an important position we should pay attention to our county prosecutors. now the recognizing that about secretary of state. tell me, in the state of georgia what does the secretary of state actually do? what is your job? do you run elections, do you organize that, what is the responsibility you are seeking from the voters in georgia? >> the secretary of state's office has tremendous responsibilities and one of the most important things are looking at overseeing elections in state of georgia. that means having a secretary of state who is not putting the thumb on the scale in the front and. in our history in here in georgia without a secretary of state under brian kemp, who is known for purging hundreds of thousands of georgia votes, specifically black voters, and we see that the current tradition being carried on by the current secretary of state
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brad raffensperger. so we need a secretary of state will run free and fair elections in all of our counties, resource all of the election boards instead of throw them under the bus and make sure we are investing in better education, voter communication and most notably upholding all the tenants of democracy which is ensuring all that eligible voters in georgia have access to the ballot box without barriers. >> so your opponent the incumbent brad raffensperger, someone who's occasionally lauded and praised for having the strength to say i'm not gonna throw the election completely for donald trump. and he did manage to fight off a travel and for a trump backed challenger. my question is to you is, what are you gonna do that is different specifically from raffensperger. are we gonna set up rules and see statutes as secretary of state that we were dependent on
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his integrity to fix when he was in office in 2020? >> well there is certainly a lot of room to grow as what the secretary of state should be doing, about the current secretary of state is doing right now. it goes to show you that the republican party is gone so far to the right that went and officer has taken an oath to swear allegiance to our constitution and our country simply follows the law, we are met with reaction that that is the bar that should be met, but in fact we deserve much better. i wanted to be a very specific example. something that is happening here in georgia right now. our public service commission is elected by a mechanism called at large voting by specific district voting. and there was a lawsuit that was led by a voting roots group including the naacp and a trump appointed judge just we world that the current method that we have in place for public servants commissioners, the people who set the rates for our utilities a pocketbook
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issue is violating section two of the voting rights act. instead of accepting that ruling, the current secretary of state is appealing it. and we know it dilutes the power of black voters. that is certainly something that i would not have done if i was in this position. i would use it as an opportunity to ensure that they are free and fair elections happening in the state of georgia. >> now you are running in a very diverse slate. there are only six nonwhite secretaries of state in the whole of the united states right now. but the top of your ticket is obviously stacey abrams who's challenging brian kemp again for governor. you too would have to work very closely together not only to protect the election in 2024 but local elections, midterm elections and all the other ones. what are some of the ways that you think that stacey abrams prevent presents better thing for juror georgia veterans than the current incumbent brian kemp? >> stacey abrams has been a leader on voting rights in the
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state of georgia, and we saw in 2021 after we deliver these winds for the two u.s. senate seats that have been crucial to our success as a country, we know that republicans went into the legislature and passed this 98 voter suppression bill that makes it a crime to give someone a bottle of water to someone waiting in line. it takes away some cure job offers. that was endorsed by both the governor who signed it into law and the secretary of state. i will remind voters that that bill was also bills based on conspiracy theories and based on lies. if we had a governor like stacey abrams and a democratic legislature, a democratic secretary of state, we can take steps to repeal those voter suppressive bills on the books. we also know that extreme bills such as that one, they are bad for business. we have seen the fallout of these far-right bills. just recently, the gun expansions that have been supported by republicans for a number of years led to the
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pulling out of a music mid major music festival here in georgia. and the same happened after the passing that 98 voter suppression bill where we lost the all-star game. these are economic issues because people do not want to live in a state where the government is restricting fundamental rights. >> georgia state representative bee nguyen, thank you so much for joining us tonight. and that's tonight's read out. all in with chris say starts right now tonight i'm all in. >> you see the mob takes the fifth. if you are innocent, why are you taking the fifth amendment? >> what a difference a few years makes. >> former president trump in a new statement says he pleaded the fifth amendment today. >> what we know about donald trump's deposition in new york, and what we're learning about what led up to the search in mar-a-lago and disinformation filling the vacuum as trump lawyers refused to


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