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in jail after authorities found cannabis vape cartridges in her luggage at an airport. ridiculous. the motion was widely expected as it could keep her from going to a penal colony as part of her sentence. all this comes as russia has recognized prisoner swap talks with the united states for the first time publicly. a spokesperson for russia's foreign ministry said quote, quiet diplomacy is continuing as the two nations discuss a swap that would include greiner and paul whelan in exchange for victor bout. thank you for being with us this monday. the beat with ari starts right now. hello. >> welcome to the beat. the breaking news tonight is the prosecutor moving towards indicting trump lawyer, rudy giuliani. georgia prosecutors say they are now on track to indict giuliani.
it's a huge legal development that comes amid those pressures on donald trump over the allegedly criminal evidence seized from his home in the fbi raid last week. so let me tell you exactly what's going on in english. we have never come on air before to report about a giuliani indictment until now. his legal programs have focused on clashes over testimony, subpoenas, getting his law license suspended, which was partially response to what he did in georgia, and we've reported on him being under investigation in more than one probe. now don't get me wrong. those are serious legal problems, but none reach this level of indictment of what happened when you're booked for a mug shot and criminal trial and possible incarceration. so this is a new level. unlike probes into corruption or his past lobbying ties, this one is all about trump and the possible election crimes giuliani may have attempted for trump. and specifically, for donald
trump, in georgia. like when giuliani, a former prosecutor who really ought to know better, stood inside the jurisdiction of the prosecutor who is now warning him today he's a criminal target, and made those false claims within this wider plot to try to steal the election. >> there's overwhelming proof of fraud. i don't have to be a genius to figure out those votes are not legitimate votes. >> late today, georgia prosecutors say that giuliani is their target. his lawyers confirm he was told that, so this is a story with no debate. nothing's contested here. he's the closest person to trump who has been deemed a target. today, i know it seems there's a lot of different things going on and we don't pick the timing, mr. giuliani's indictment, which is what comes after you're a target, would be a legal earth
quake and putting pressure on anyone who was involved in the georgia plot. this was the state of georgia. prosecutors there already put the same criminal target that kind of heat on other republicans allegedly engaged in elector fraud in that state which biden won. in fact, all 16 of them. now, why is this coming out right now? does it have something to do with his other legal pressure on trump? the sort of accrual we feel? grand jury probes have all kinds of secrets we don't know, but if you're asking why is this coming out now tonight, on this one, we have the answer. because we know unlike the other things that stay secret in a grand jury probe, we know in public that mr. giuliani is about to go under oath. in fact, in just two days, to face the georgia grand jury this
wednesday we know a judge pushed prosecutors in that state they should inform giuliani of his exact jeopardy before he goes into that testimony for fairness. and indeed, this is legally a tradition. so now he knows his current status in that probably and that may make make his lawyers more likely to advise him to take the fifth because the questions are about the same overlapping topics, just as trump did last week in an unrelated case. we also have some clues about giuliani's exposure, where his election lies may have turned potentially criminal. >> dominion, the connection to chavez is a highly -- what would that suggest?
phantom votes. >> not just any clip. rudying, i could pick from all kinds of clips of what prosecutors would call evidence because sometimes your words can become testimonial evidence and that statement i just showed you in brief, that was made in georgia. you could say people in politics lie all the time and lawyers who lie out of court, but lying in court or to the government can be a crime and prosecutors are eyeing giuliani's statements including to the government where lies can become fraud or an election crime. we know his subpoena in this case points to the december 3rd presentation he made to the georgia senate alleging election fraud in georgia counties. and this is vital. prosecutors are showing they view that as a last ditch lying pr blitz which may have been what it looked like when he held bizarre press conferences at the
time. but prosecutors say this is part of a quote, multistate, coordinated plan to overturn the lawful election, the peaceful transfer of power, the results of the 2020 election in georgia and elsewhere. that's key. and elsewhere. let me tell you why. giuliani and trump had every option and opportunity to share their views to complain and losing and lie in some forms about it. trump is the first losing president to refuse conceding the election, but there's no law against not conceding or what some might call being a sore loser. that's not why trump's go to coup plotter is a criminal target as of today. whatever the frivolous lawsuits, let's be clear. on the facts and the law, most of that arguably legal stuff in
november 2020 is not what makes you a target for indictment. we've marked in yellow and green the arrows you see starting on your left, all that november stuff that's not what makes you a target. but if you track those eight plots to overthrow the election over time, the red stuff, the elector fraud, lying in government proceedings, trying to illegally obstruct vote counting, that bad red stuff is still a crime in america. that's why giuliani is closer to indictment tonight than he's ever been. again, we didn't know we were going to come in on monday and have a whole new piece of development here, but let me be clear in english with you because this is a big day even if we had other big days. they were trying to stage a
coup. they were at it long before january 6th and long before donald trump even announced there would be a january 6th, as he documented in his 1:42 a.m. tweet on the morning of december 19th after a separate red plot for a military coup fell apart. today, it looks like giuliani took a major risk by entering that georgia jurisdiction, but at the time, you say why would he do that. he's a lawyer. he's a prosecutor. whatever you think of his style, he knows certain things. at the time, he and trump really seemed to believe they had a workable plan to hold on to power.
also that he should be prepared for a possible georgia indictment. want to bring in neil. what is the significance, we documented in the theory of the case in georgia, potential election crimes separate from and completely independent and before whatever may or may not have transpired on january 6th. >> well, for someone who prides himself for being tough on crime, rudy giuliani sure manages to end up on the wrong side of criminal investigations a lot. and rudy's council has asked the georgia prosecutor six or seven times in the past, hey, is rudy a target? and they never got an answer until today. and they said yes. he is a target. and target is a special term prosecutors use to indicate
someone is likely to be indicted so you're absolutely right in the way you portrayed the news today. it has a specialized meeting. one, give them a chance to cooperate or two, give them a chance to explain why they shouldn't be charged. at this point, he's going into the grand jury on wednesday. i suspect you know, the first time they'll say someone should follow trump's advice, but like trump last week took the fifth amendment 440 times. i suspect that would be a wise thing at this point for giuliani to do as connection to the fake elector's plot. the voting machines, all these false, bogus allegations and the graph put it nicely. not in november. not right when the election happened, but continuing after everyone knew this was totally bogus. >> yeah, you mentioned that. i think we can put that back up
exactly there. the lawsuits, even the beginning of the elector plot people can debate. after december 14th, you have a real finite government reality that georgia has certified one set of electors. so everything after that looks like fraud. we know georgia and the justice department where you worked are looking at that. so it's a lot of heat on giuliani. i want to read what norm iceman says. there's a difference between league analysis and when things get confirmed. it's a target letter, you're nikely to be indicted. a smart lawyer giving their interpretation is different. so we don't have a headline on the screen about donald trump yet, but someone you know well who also at times worked as a lawyer for barack obama's administration said quote, in his view, there's no way giuliani's target of the investigation and trump doesn't end up. they're entangled. with a caveat that we're not
reporting anything on that yet, your view on how close giuliani is in georgia to trump. >> i guess i disagree a little bit just because we don't know the facts. you could take the view as a georgia prosecutor that those clips you were showing of rudy in georgia rioting, is rudy acting on his own in georgia lying without connection to his client, donald trump. that would be a tough argument, but not a totally crazy one. the facts will have to be developed. i guess i'd say if i'm donald trump right now though, i'd have to be very worried that my lawyer is not the target of a criminal investigation. why? because rudy has presumably the goods on donald trump. and if rudy is facing jail time, significant jail time as it looks like he is, he might decide hey, now is the moment of reckoning. i have to cooperate. now other people have stared into that abis so trump's cfo
with trump organization just today it's reported in "the new york times" is thinking of entering into a plea agreement for a small amount of jail time, but is refusing to cooperate with prosecutors. it's almost straight out of the mob playbook. why wouldn't someone cooperate with prosecutors? generally it's because you're worried about the boss doing something to you. so giuliani may have a similar set of concerns. i don't know. but you know, if you're trump now, you have to be worried your attorney knows the goods on you and doesn't have attorney client privilege. there's something called the broad exception, which eliminates any attorney client privilege. >> appreciate your precision on that and yes, how they are somewhat entangled, but evidence is different than how it might look. we also got news today on the federal probe of the coup on january 6th that the doj is now
subpoenaing eric hershmann. he was a senior adviser at the white house. he offered pushback according to his own testimony because of the january 6th hearings about 2020 and what i mentioned earlier in one of those arrows that turned red, the unhinged meeting about trying to get the military involved in a coup. >> what they were proposing i thought was nuts. someone screamed at me i was a quitter. standing up and turning around screaming at me. >> this is what we get into legal geography, neil. we've got other lawyers who have been brought in like cipollone there. you take it all together and you have a federal probe that can deal with the whole map. the feds are looking at what was a national election. the georgia news is about anything only to that nexus in jurisdiction. what does it tell you that the federal probe is bringing in these people that many americans
saw in those first hearings? >> so to me, it strongly suggests, doesn't prove, strongly suggests that donald trump is the subject of a grand jury investigation at the federal level. so the way i get there is we've known that the federal grand jury is looking into two different things. the fake elector plot and the attack on the capitol on january 6th. what we don't totally have a good picture on is who are they looking at when they are looking into these crimes and grand juries are by design supposed to be secret. we shouldn't necessarily know this. there's a whole rule of criminal procedure that ensures secrecy so people can come in and feel like they can tell the truth without fear of a crime, of a mob attack or something like that. so we've known that jeff clark was part of the grand jury investigation around the fake electors plot, but today, to me brings us one step closer to understanding what the grand jury is also about donald trump. why? because they've now brought in
this guy who was one of donald trump's lawyers and we know that they've already subpoenaed the same grand jury, pat cipollone, and fielden, who different lawyers for donald trump. two very high ranking lawyers at the white house. all together, i don't think you bring those folks in unless you're thinking that their boss is the potential target. again, it may be just they're trying to get a complete picture and information and the like, but to me, it's a pretty good sign that they are looking at him, which would make sense because we know that donald trump is the kind of spoke in all these other folks are actually hubs around. so it's hard for me to think that you know, pat cipollone is the one who's like orchestrating this as you put it, coup, on january 6th. >> yeah. i don't get independent, proactive coup brainstorming vibes from him although if we get to interview him, we can get
into it more detail. thank you for kicking off this big night of coverage. we have our shortest break, one minute. we have new reports that a trump lawyer may be in the soup and a big one. donald trump trying to secretly back channel and threaten attorney general garland. have you heard about this? we're back in one minute. heard? we're ba ickn one minute i'd like to thank our sponsor liberty mutual. they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. contestants ready? go! only pay for what you need. jingle: liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.
federal prosecutors are talking to a judge about the rest of this case where they searched trump's home, the underlying affidavit, which involves a kind of roadmap for the case. they want to keep sealed which is pretty standard practice. they cite protecting the integrity of the investigation and national security. they say there's highly sensitive information in there about witnesses interviewed by the government. trump allies have now gotten what they claim they wanted, at least early last week, which was more information about the search. as we reported friday, the receipted seem to show there was
a bunch of documents that were improperly at mar-a-lago. that's not to say donald trump personally moved them or knew about it and there has been back and forth about how they got to this stand off. the investigation is hitting a new phase and there are plenty of big questions. take this report that it was a trump lawyer who was according to doj, signing a statement as far as back as june that falsely claimed the classified material had all been returned. now according to the fbi's information that was released friday, that would be not only false, but overwhelmingly false because again, someone could correctly have a mistaken impression like one document. if the boxes and boxes and boxes, if the warrant holds up, that lawyer would look to be lying. 11 sets of documents recovered. that's in some cases, boxes and whole groupings of them we were told by experts friday.
including some top secret classifications you see here. so the seizure of top secret documents means that the search was valid. what do you do when you've been faced with the evidence you asked for showing the search was apparently valid and as i've emphasized, everyone has the right to protest and appeal a search. they can go to court and appeal it. instead, we have other excuses in public. >> as we can all relate to, everyone ends up having to bring home their work from time to time. american presidents are no different. president trump, in order to prepare the work to next day, often took documents include classified documents, to the residence. >> these are materials that are two years old. we don't know what they are. >> no, there is no security that something wasn't planted. >> he had a standing order. there's the word i've been looking for. that documents removed from the oval office and taken to the
residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them. >> the individual reading there is sort of brainstorming, free styling, their defense as they go in public. mr. solomon actually has a role in this. he was of course caught up in one of the impeachments. the problem in public is how much they've had to already change their story. there was a idea that there was cooperation and if there were full cooperation, it would be odd that a judge would approve this kind of search. then there was well, we gave it all back. we don't have any. so just ask for them. but then over the course of the last week, we learned the doj asked nicely, subpoenaed, waited, and then you have of course this planted documents canard, which was a big allegation. you have attacks on obama. then you have this standing order question. let me say one thing before i bring in the sound bite.
what's important to keep in mind is this is not just a case over any random person. whatever you think of the former president when he was in office, he did have the authority, legally and constitutionally, over intelligence and national security. so there is a question about what he may have done even secretly in office. that's why that trump lawyer could ultimately get in more trouble than former president trump. because the lawyer's just sitting out here with no legal role whereas the former president is afforded different latitude. so there's a lot of attention on the idea there might have been a secret standing order that would be a kind of get out of the jam free card. >> i think that claim's almost certainly a lie. i was never aware of anything even remotely approximating that policy and i haven't heard anything of it since i left. so i think this is made up and i think a key point here is when somebody's making up stories like that, i think it indicates
a level of desperation. >> like i said in all fairness, if there is a standing over order and you can prove it and you were at one time the president, that could help you. that's why it's not as wild as some of the other lying defenses, but the man you just saw on your screen is the former national security adviser to then president trump. if there were an order like this, he would be exactly the person who would know about it and he's shredding it and calling it desperate. so what's the truth? as always, we go back to the evidence, the reporting, the facts and the law. we have professor murray and "wall street journal" reporter, sadie, who's been all over the scoop, when we come back. sadie,e scoop, when we come back f 4 peoe achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months, after just 2 doses. skyrizi may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms such
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a story just crossing this hour from "the wall street journal" that says merrick garland weighed the search of trump's mar-a-lago for weeks. that is new information regarding the timeline. we can show you that headline and bring in sadie german and professor melissa lurie. i think we have that, right? there it is. this is really interesting that crossed this hour, sadie. tell us about your reporting. >> what we learned and reported in that story is that merrick
garland personally a approved the search. we reported that decision came after weeks of deliberation and it was not one he took light. he met with justice department officials and other fbi officials for weeks in private meetings, weighing the ins and outs of such a high profile, politically sensitive move. so it is clear this is not something that you know, he did on a whim. it is not something he did without all the facts and the information and this is something that we would expect from an attorney general who has shown that he's a deliberative thinker. he is very cautious and this is in keeping with that sort of approach that is going to be tested in coming months as he will be forced to make some pretty contentious decisions in this case and a number of other politically sensitive investigations on his plate. >> most search warrants are not reviewed for weeks. certainly not at that level. of course this is not most
search warrants. in spending weeks on something, there's two interpretations. i'm pulling on your reporting here. either someone wanted to look dlib rative and knew what they were going to land on the whole time or they were really mulling and deliberating. does anything in your reporting shed light on which it might be? >> well, i think just given what we know about the attorney general and what i know having covered him for the year and a half that he has been in office is that he is somebody who takes the time to mull things over on his own and that he is really taking a hard look and asking a lot of questions and this is at times resulted in frustration among other justice department officials that he is slow to act on other matters. in this case, this was an intentional thing. he does not want to make any sort of misstep that is going to be then you know allowing the case to be questioned in court. he wants to make sure all of the elements of the investigation in
the case with, that he's checked every detail. dotted every i, crossed every t. what we know about this attorney general is that he does not only just not want to look political, but that he really you know isn't a terribly political person and is not putting making these decisions based on lack of information. >> professor murray, what do you think of this? >> well, the rap on merrick garland has been that he's deliberate in the way o judge. this is very much in keeping with that methodical persona we've known about, but there are a lot of considerations here that favor deliberation in a circumstance like this. this is the first time there has ever been a search of the home of a former president. that surely weighed on him.
especially with an election looming. so it's notable that the search warrant was executed about 91 days before the november 8th midterm election. that's not a coincidence either i think. >> interesting point there. i don't know that i've heard many people say it that way. and before we move on to some of the other items in the set up, you both refer to garland's background. you say that in the doj, he's known as someone who after about a year and a half has quote, slowly begun to shed the cautious approach he followed as a federal judge with a more decisive posture expected of a law enforcement officer. they are very different roles and anyone who's ever switched jobs maybe not as momentus as attorney general, but if you've had a job for a couple of years then go into a role on the other side of the table, it gives you
insights for sure, but you have to take a moment to adjust. how has that happened in the heat of this climate because there are also people who have looked at the flouting of the subpoenas and said you got to move faster if subpoenas are going to mean anything. >> right. well he has faced a lot of criticism including from members of his own democratic party about the pace with which he appears to be moving on some of these investigations. i've noticed he seems to be getting some footing. seems to be coming into his own, take on more of a prosecutorial role as opposed to the role of a deliberater. in early days of his tenure was him poring over details over what others would consider routine cases. things that are rubber stamped with his name on it. as there are other officials in the department, other top senior leadership has been confirmed by
the senate, we are seeing him delegate more and we are seeing him you know sort of you know, assume a posture of a public official. we see him speaking often at times using a telepromter. but that's a sign he is interested and cognizant of the effect of his words on the general public and that he is really coming into his own in that role. >> yeah. although i've heard people who use telepromters can't be trusted. have you ever heard that, professor? >> i've heard it a few times. also those who plead the fifth amendment are likely not -- >> that might be a more serious, valid concern. the other was a tv joke. but i will play some of how this is all being adjudicated in the court of public opinion, professor. now that the details have come out including over the weekend from the search warrant. take a look. >> famously, president nixon said if the president does it,
then it is not illegal. is that not truly the standard? >> the idea that 18 months after the fact donald trump could simply announce well, i'm, you know, retro actively declassifying, is absurd. >> releasing the affidavit would help. >> the affidavit would give you the probable cause. >> professor, time will always give people a little more perspective. this can't stay in the news or the heat forever if this is the last action was just to recover the documents. do you see this as based on what we know a valid search and what is donald trump's legal means if he thinks he has the goods? >> i think it's clear from the warrant there had been an effort to negotiate with the former president over a period of time to recover the materials
sequestered at mar-a-lago and that ultimately the president and his team were not completely forthcoming about what had been recovered and what still remained to be recovered, therefore there had to be this search into his private home. the idea that just because a president does it it's no longer illegal, that's absolutely maddening. i wish that person could go to law school. that's not the case at all. even presidents are not above the law. and there are several laws in play here, none of them depend on the classification status of the documents. as john bolton said earlier in the clip you played, shifting story around declassification is quite curious and perhaps a sign of growing desperation around this, but the real issue here and i think it goes back to the point that the attorney general made in his press conference is that there are actual real people executing the search warrant on the other side. would we like the see the affidavit? know the theory of the cause that allowed this search
warrant? sure, but that would endanger many of the people who were witnesses here and many of the people who executed this. >> really interesting. thank you both. we have a quick break. when we come back, the story i mentioned. donald trump secretly and improperly trying to back channel merrick garland. our breakdown, next. allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! flonase all good. i get bladder leaks. i didn't want to feel like i was wearing the pads i wore when i was twelve. then i tried the always discreet pads. they fit perfectly in the places they're supposed to. look how much it holds, and it still stays thin! it's the protection we deserve!
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any law enforcement agency, are deplorable and dangerous. we have in this country, had over the last few years, an alarming rise in violence against law enforcement. >> turning to our special report tonight. that's fbi director chris wray rebuking attacks on law enforcement. he is directly confronting how trump, maga and right wing agitators are encouraging violence against police. the fbi and dhs also issuing a very grave joint warning of a spike in threats to law enforcement including from trump supporters who were seen carrying pistols and assault type rifles at an arizona fbi office while that armed man wearing body armor was trying to breach the fbi cincinnati field office for an apparent attack thursday. >> authorities in ohio in a standoff with a man they say tried to break into the fbi
cincinnati office! >> a man armed with an ar-15 style rifle tried to breach an fbi office today and now we're learning he had been at the capitol on january 6th. >> today, an armed man in ohio allegedly attempted to breach an fbi field office where the suspect was killed. >> the fbi is fortifying security at its headquarters in all field offices. our cameras caught some of those preparations as this has gone forward. so this is a time for a sober reality check for the nation. donald trump attempted a coup and personally organized the gathering that turned into a violence insurrection to try to stop the peaceful transfer of power. republican leaders largely warmed to trump's brazen embrace of illegal violence. as a warning and a threat and as a reality. practiced. now trump's out of power and
this court supervised use of legal steps to protect national security is being met with open and new threats of violence against the fbi. against police. against judges. as domestic political terrorism has increased over the last two decades, there are about 2700 open cases now. then we have something that is rieff in our public debate. you have people who refer to this criminal violence as a potential reason to surrender. to appease these people. to hand some sort of veto over, possible searches or indictments to the would be thugs and criminals threatening or acting on armed rebellion. you don't need to be a history buff to know how appease m fails. then you might ask what's next? donald trump invoking his vigilante army against the government he once led? well that's what he just did albeit in secret according to a
bombshell report in "the new york times" that trump sent an all. trump wanted garland to know that he had been checking in with people around the country and found them to be enraged by the search. well the fbi's issuing warnings and bulletins about these people who are threatening violence and illegal retribution so this is not exactly a news bulletin at the fbi and doj. let me be clear. legally, this is outrageous. donald trump, the suspect of a search invoking those enraged people in what sounds like a threat. it's also improper for a subject to try to make these contacts to the top of the ag. attorney general of the united states even if the subject in this case is the former president let alone issue these kind of threats. the report says trump was
suggesting he basically has leverage but could somehow reduce the threats or by implication, not reduce them. "the new york times" reporting the substance of trump's message was quote, the country is on fire. what can i do to reduce the heat? the idea there is that he's in control of the heat. he alone. a kind of creepy, threatening message for the attorney general is how jennifer ruben put it. trump rushed to launder this movement public telling a fox news reporter that he's out now to do whatever he can to help the country. the temperature has to be brought down. you know that move if you follow the news. donald trump gets busted trying to do something in secret then he rushes out in public and said how bad can it be. the answer legally is bad. no one thinks of donald trump as someone who brings down the temperature. that's not his thing.
his supporters don't think that about him. none of this even claims to treat the probe as valid where evidence and claims determine the legal steps. someone that's valid could call the doj to say we are really innocent. we want to cooperate. we think the facts will show that. trump views this as an battle of power and in trump's mind, maybe he does see garland as more scary so this is trump's version of a rare, potentially conciliatory gesture in his mind. but it's wrong. federal investigations are not some deal. they're not a battle between the subject and the prosecutor and they certainly are never supposed to be subject to threats of violence. if they were, no gangster would ever be held accountable and this would be an even more dangerous nation to live in. there are people who would rather look away and hope it just goes away.
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