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tv   The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell  MSNBC  August 16, 2022 7:00pm-8:00pm PDT

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quick programming note before we go. at midnight we'll be back on the air with another live show because why not? we'll be covering nebraska's primary and special election were among other things, former nominee sarah palin is looking to make a comeback as a congresswoman. that's right at midnight. before we go, i want to thank my esteemed colleagues for all the work they've done here over the past few weeks as we have built this show from the bottom up. ali velshi and others have done
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incredible work holding down this hour before this launch and for that i am incredibly forever grateful. thank you. and on a final note, please don't forget to set your dvr's for alex wagner tonight. that is the time for the last word with, my friend lawrence o'donnell. good evening. lawrence hey alex this is very exciting. it's wagner week. that's the way it's gonna be remembered in television history. you know, i saw the little gremlins attack at the beginning of the show. here's the thing to know. on my first show, first one of these which i did which is 12 million episodes ago. the very first one. in the first segment, the teleprompter went down. now you have to be bryant williams to handle a teleprompter going down. you have to be a professional which i wasn't and still am not. so there's this gremlin thing.
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>> you're still on the air 12 million episodes later that's the important part of this. >> that is the lesson. i believe that is the blessing from the gremlins saying you are going to grow into your grand motherhood at this job at that desk. >> i thank you gremlins. i didn't realize the gift you are giving me. and i thank you lawrence o'donnell for teaching me the way of the gremlin. >> let me show you a little picture here of what is now the msnbc 8 to 11 primetime lineup. this is them ten years ago. >> wow! and gee we were babies! we were babies! >> those two guests in my a block for the star a block guests of the show. whenever we can get chris hayes and alex wagner >> so innocent. >> so innocent the tie was so
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big to. i'm so thrilled that we have this history together lawrence, and i'm looking forward to making more television history with you my friend. >> it's gonna be great. alex, thank you very. much >> thank you lawrence have a great show. >> thank you. well, donald trump has confessed to the crime of illegal possession of government documents and presidential documents. if reporting in the new york times tonight is true. it's not their, is it's mine, several advisers say mr. trump told them. that line maggie haberman's new york times tonight is a confession. that is a confession by donald trump that he knew he had the documents and had no intention of ever returning the documents to the rightful owner, the united states government. the sentence, it's not theirs, it's mine contains all of the elements that federal prosecutors would need to prove a crime of illegal possession of those documents. that quote was reported in
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maggie hagerman's article a broke the news that trump's white house counsel and deputy white house counsel have been interviewed by the fbi about the boxes of the government documents it donald trump's florida home the fbi found in their search warrants. pat cipollone and pat filled in the, white house counsel and his deputy under president donald j trump, were interviewed by the fbi in connection with boxes of sensitive documents that were stored at mr. trump's residence in florida after he left office. three people familiar with the matter said. mr. philbin was interviewed in the spring. it was unclear when mr. cipollone was interviewed. that means that attorney general merrick garland definitely had the information from the fbi interview when patrick philbin which was conducted in the spring all the
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attorney general was considering to seek a search warrant for donald trump's home. the wall street journal said more like deliberated for weeks over whether to approve the application for a warrant to search former president donald trump's florida home, people familiar with the matter said. the decision had been the subject of weeks of meetings between senior justice department and fbi officials. now that we know that deputy white house counsel patrick philbin definitely spoke with the fbi during that period when merrick garland was considering a search warrant, and the white house counsel pat cipollone might also have spoken to the fbi during that same period, it strengthens our understanding of why attorney general merrick garland appeared so very confident when he said last week that the decision to seek the search warrant from a judge was made by him.
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>> first, i personally approved the decision to seek a search warrant in this matter. second, the department does not take such a decision lightly. >> every outgoing president appoints people to be his representatives in dealing with the national archives to make sure that all presidential papers are properly in the possession of the national archives. pat cipollone and patrick philbin are to the people who donald trump officially put in charge of dealing with the national archives. when the national archives realize they didn't have all of the material from donald trump that they should have, the new york times reports that the archives contacted patrick philbin. the times reports, mr. philbin tried to help the national archives retrieve the material, two of the people familiar with the discussion said. but the former president repeatedly resisted entreaties from his advisers.
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it's not theirs, it's mine, several advisers say mr. trump told them. how many of those several advisers have already told the fbi that? when merrick garland approved the search warrant. how many of them had already told the fbi that? if that reporting is true, it means that there are several advisers who are witnesses to donald trump's confession. it's not theirs, it's mine. on june 3rd, own officials when officials the justice department department of justice national security division with donald trump's home, once signed a statement saying that all the material with had been returned. but that statement was not true. donald trump's ex lawyer now has a decision to make. take the fall for lying to the fbi and the crime of concealing
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illegally obtained government documents or tell the justice department the whole truth about the documents that were found in the fbi's search. there is no attorney client privilege that prevents a lawyer from revealing communications with a client if the client was urging the lawyer to commit a crime. last week was the worst legal week of donald trump's life and so far this week is just as bad. because donald trump learned just today that his top lawyers in the white house have both spoken to the fbi about everything they know about the boxes of top secret material that the fbi found in their search of donald trump's home. these are the two best witnesses for shooting down the donald trump plan that when every took classified material from the office section of the white house to the residence
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section of the same building, that that material was then automatically declassified. on a's the safe assumption that that is a lie that donald trump invented after the fbi search of his home, the people who can prove to the fbi that that is ally are the white house counsel and the white house deputy counsel who would've had to know about such a so-called standing order issued by the president because they would've had to enforce the order. donald trump did not know until today that his white house counsel pat cipollone and as white house deputy counsel patrick philbin had spoken to the fbi about all of this. now he knows. every day of donald trump's life now is worse than the day before and donald trump knows
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that and feels that. pat cipollone stood on the floor of the united states senate and defended donald trump in his first impeachment trial now pat cipollone is cooperating with the fbi investigation of donald trump. and that first impeachment trump of donald trump in the united states senate with pat cipollone sitting at the defense table, our first guest tonight said what pat cipollone should have known to be true them. >> he has betrayed our national security and he will do so again. he has compromised our elections and he will do so again. you will not change him, you cannot constrain him. he is who is. truth matters little to him. what's right matters even less and decency matters not at all. >> congressman adam schiff will join us in a moment but we do have a call in wyoming.
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we go to stave steve kornacki at the big board tonight. steve what's happened in wyoming? >> it's official, harriet hageman has defeated republican congresswoman liz cheney for the republican nomination for the at large congressional district. just about 17% of the vote counted, can see the clear trajectory, more than 2 to 1. every county that is started to report has been absolutely overwhelming. just a couple of pockets in the state here and see cheney potentially out pulling hageman. it looks like it's going to be overwhelming. it was what the poll suggested and liz cheney will become the fourth republican person of congress who voted to impeach trump to be defeated by a donald trump backed primary challenger, harriet hageman with, the win in wyoming republican primary.
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>> steve, this is the expectation, this is what the polling has been showing. was there anything along the way in the polling that indicated this would go the other way? >> no. we never had any other indication leading up to the polling with this. frankly, if you look at the other races we have had with republicans who voted to impeach donald trump, there was one race in michigan, peter meijer with a margin of six points where meyer kept it close. this distrust district has its uniqueness to that district, which maybe made it not representative of where we've seen it elsewhere. but other places where we saw, think of tom rice in south carolina, long term serving member of congress, votes to impeach trump, gets clobbered by the 27 points. we saw a number of republican incumbents who voted to impeach decide they were even going to run because they said something like this was going to happen. so you start looking at these results come in tonight. can't say it was a surprise
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based on the polls, can't say was a surprise based on the republican primaries. and that of those ten republican primaries who voted to impeach after the events of january six, there will be to who make it to the general election ballot this november. it's possible there maybe one left in congress come next january. >> steve we're gonna get the lights on in your studio and come back to you later in the hour. thank you for that report. joining us now is congressman adam schiff, to member the january six select committee. and congressman schiff, i didn't intend to just start with this but i think we should now. you know now that your colleague on the january six committee liz cheney has paid the full price politically for her participation and your committee and her impeachment vote on donald trump. what is your reaction to what has happened to her in her election tonight? >> it's very sad. i think it's a terrible tragedy for the country and the people
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of wyoming. sadly, the big lie and the big liars are still the sentiment within donald trump's republican party. liz cheney's had the courage to speak out to, tell the truth, we are dissent audacity to tell the truth, and there's just no place for that in donald trump's gop. a sad result. we certainly hoped that at some point the fever breaks, but the fever is not broken. donald trump still has an iron grip of in the republican party. >> congressman schiff, surely you understand if liz cheney begins to speak with a concession speech, we will go to her. if your committee's business should continue next year into the next congress, you now know that liz cheney will not be a member of that committee. what would that mean to the committee? >> well, her loss will be very considerable. it is our goal to finish our work the session. we intend to have more hearings in the fall, we intend to
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produce our report and our recommendations into as much as we can to act on those recommendations, but whether the committee continues or doesn't continue in her absence, it's a loss to the institution to have someone who i think is a true conservative, representative what the gop used to care about and believe in. but it's just not that same republican party of ronald reagan or john mccain. it is now every bit as flawed as its standard bearer, donald trump. >> pat cipollone has gone from standing on the senate floor opposing you in the impeachment trial of donald trump, the first one to now cooperating with the fbi, presumably telling the fbi everything he knows about the documents at mar-a-lago. we are seeing congresswoman cheney come close to a microphone, but what's your reaction to where pat cipollone
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is now with his cooperation of the fbi? we'll go to the congresswoman whenever she needs to speak. >> cipollone is indicative of many people in the trump administration in that, they finally got to a point where there's a line they wouldn't cross. but they crossed an awful lot of lines before that. he was one of the trump enabler, as one of the trump defenders, and we saw that during the impeachment trial when he told the senate there was no evidence of print quote print cuoco was being discussed. that's his history. at the same time, he wouldn't go along with it and insurrection against the government, and i think sure being brought in placed under oath by the fbi, he's going to tell them the truth and in this case it's hard to imagine if there were any kind of declassification order at the white house counsel would be unaware of. so the testimony will be very important to the government's
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case. >> so the new york times is reporting that donald trump told several aides about these documents, that they belonged to him, not the government. isn't that essentially a confession? if he did indeed say that? >> it is certainly a powerful admission, and if you have one of his lawyers signing an affidavit that they turned over all the materials that weren't classified and they didn't, then the question the justice department will need to answer is was the lawyer lying, or was his client lying was he told us information and misrepresented to the fbi. so they're gonna need to get to the bottom of this and i think, you're exactly right that lawyer is going to have to protect themselves reveal if their client used for fraud. >> congressman thank you very much for joining us. liz cheney is about to speak,
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we are getting her feet, not through a conventional route to us willis into what we can hear. >> >> -- wonderful to be here, and thank you so much for that wonderful introduction. we are in god's country. and it's, i want to say first of all, a special thanks to every member of team cheney who is here in the audience. and i'm gonna tell you our work is far from over. among the many, many blessings that we have as americans, and as individuals, the blessing of family is surely the most important. and so, i want to thank all my family, and pay a special tribute to those who are with us tonight. my mom and dad, dick cheney --
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and my husband fell. and our five kids in here, katie, philippe -- amazon stalking law school today, so dedication to the constitution and two -- , a little more than a year ago, my father told me, standing on -- and i have thought of his words every single day since then. i thought of them because they are reminder of how we must all conduct ourselves. we must conduct ourselves in a way that is worthy of this nation.
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and in particular, of those who have given the ultimate sacrifice. this -- this is not a game. every one of us must be committed to the eternal defense of this miraculous thing called america. and at the heart of our democratic process our elections. and the foundational principle of our constitution. two years ago, i won this primary, 73% of the votes. i could easily have done the same again. the path was created. but it required that i go along with president trump's lie about the 2020 election, it would have required that i enable his ongoing efforts to unravel it democratic system, and attack the foundations of our public. that was a path i could not and would not take. [applause] --
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>> no house seat, no office in this land is more important than the principles that we are all sworn to protect. and i understood the potential of political consequences of abiding by my duty. all, our public relies upon the goodwill of all candidates for office, to accept honorably the outcome of elections. and tonight, harriet hageman has received the most votes in this primary. she won. i called her to conceal the race. this primary election is over. but now the real work begins. [applause] a great and a regional champion of our
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country, abraham lincoln, was defeated in elections for the senate and the house, before he won the most important election of all. lincoln ultimately prevailed. he saved our union, and he defined our obligation as americans for all of history. speaking of gettysburg, of the great task remaining before us, lincoln said that we have high resolve that these that should have not have died in vain. that this nation, under god, should have freedom. and the government of the people by the people, and for the people shall not perish from this earth. as we meet here tonight, doing our greatest and most important task, most of world history is destroyed in violent conflict, servitude, and suffering. most people in most places have not lived -- departure from history.
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we have been giving the gift of freedom from god and our founding fathers. it's been said that the arc of history bends towards justice and freedom. that is true, but only if we make it bent. today, it is our duty to preserve our nation and its blessings, to ensure that freedom will not perish, to protect the very foundations of this constitutional republic. never in our nation's 246 years have we seen what we saw on january six. like so many americans, i assumed that that they would have prompted a united response, a recognition that this was a line that must never be crossed. a tragic chapter in our nation's history to be studied by historians, to ensure it can never happen again. but instead, major, the party
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still vehemently defense those who caused it. at the heart of the attack on january 6th is the willingness to embrace dangerous conspiracies that attacked the very core premise of our nation, that lawful elections reviewed by the courts when necessary, and certified by the states and electoral college, to determine who serves as president. if we do not condemn the conspiracies and the lies, if we do not hold those responsible to account, we will be excusing this conduct, and it will become the future of all elections. and our america will never be the same. today, as we meet here, there are republican candidates for governor who deny the outcome of the 2020 election, and who refused to certify future elections, if they dislike the results. we have candidates for secretary of state, whom he refused to appoint the actual results of a popular vote in future elections.
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we have candidates for congress, including here in wyoming, who refused to acknowledge that joe biden won the 2020 election, and suggests that states the certifying the results. my mission is saying, once again, -- no american should support election deniers, in a position of genuine responsibility. the refusal to follow the rule of law would co-opt our future. [applause] our nation is young in the history of mankind. and and the history of the democracy of the world, our survival is not going to stop. history has shown us over and over again how poisonous lies destroyed free nations. all the while, several months and the generous six hearing, the american people have watched dozens of republicans, including senior officials
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working for president trump in the white house, the justice department, and on this campaign, people who served president trump loyally, testify that they are -- that the election was stolen or worked in a massive fraud. president trump and others invented excuses, pretext for people not to watch the hearings at all. but no citizen of this republic as a bystander. all of us have an obligation to understand what actually happened. we cannot abandon the truth in the name of emotion. to believe donald trump's election lies, you must read dozens of federal state courts agreed against him. and the judges, many other judges he appointed were all co-opted and biased, that all are crazy conspiracy theories solar election from us. and donald trump is actually president today. as it was, you must also be a
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30 fbi agents, who spent their lives working to serve our country, abandoning -- to perform a lawful search or address national security threat. but instead, a secret plan to -- on boxes bases in boxes they seized. donald trump -- [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible]
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[inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] >> our duty as citizens of this republic is not only to defend the freedom that's been handed down to us. we also have an obligation to learn from the actions of those who came before, to know the stories of a great and perseverance, of the brave and men and women who build and saved this union. in the lives of these great americans, we find inspiration and purpose.
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in may of 1864, after years of war and a string of reluctant union generals, ulysses grant met general leads forces at the battle of the wilderness. in two days of heavy fighting, the union suffered over 17,000 casualties. at the end of that battle, general grant faced a choice. most assumed he would do what previous union generals had done and retreat. on the evening of may seven, grant began to move. as the fires of the battle still smoldered, grant wrote to the head of the column, he wrote to the intersection of brock road and orange blank road. and they are, as the man of his army watched and waited, instead of turning north back towards washington and safety, grant turned his fourth south towards richmond and the heart of leads army, refusing to retreat, he pressed on to
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victory. lincoln and granted all who fought in our nation's tragic civil war, including my own great great grandfather's saved our union. their courage saved freedom. and if we listen closely, they're speaking to us from generations. we must not idly squander what so many have fought and died for. america has meant so much to so many because we are the best hope of freedom on earth. last week, in laramie, a gentleman came up to me with tears in his eyes. i'm not an american he said but my children are. i grew up in brazil. i know how fragile freedom is and we must not lose it here. a few days ago, here in jackson, a woman told me that her grandparents had survived auschwitz. they found refuge in america. she said she was afraid that she had nowhere to go, if freedom died here. ladies and gentlemen, freedom
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must not, cannot, and will not die here. an [applause] we must be very clear eyed about the threat we faced in what is required to defeat it. i've said since january six that i will do whatever it takes to ensure donald trump is never again anywhere near the oval office and i mean it. [applause] >> this is a fight for all of us together. i am a conservative republican. i believe deeply in the principles and the ideals on which my party was founded. i love it's history and i love what our party has stood for, but i love my country more. [applause] i >> so i ask you
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tonight to join me, as we leave here let us resolve that we will stand together, republicans, democrats and independents against those who would destroy our republic. they are angry and they are determined. but they have not seen anything like the power of americans united in defence of our constitution and committed to the cause of freedom. there is no greater power on this earth, and with god's help we will prevail. thank you all. god bless you. god bless wyoming, god lesia knighted states of america. thank you guys. [applause] >> that was congresswoman liz cheney conceding defeat in her reelection campaign for her seat in the house of representatives. joining us now is john highland, host of the hell and high-water podcast. he's an msnbc national affairs analyst.
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john you know and i know we can watch politics for very long time and never see someone lose reelection on a matter of principle. i have to go back to mario cuomo running for reelection of governor in new york in the 1990s losing his reelection because he would not change his position to favor the death penalty. it was a matter of principle. i haven't seen some undefeated on a matter of principle like this since then. >> lawrence, i think you never know. those 435 members of congress, they run at all levels of government across the country, unite on see it all. but i think about figures of national consequence, people that the country is paying attention to. you can count the number of losses in principle and our lifetimes on one hand. and still have a couple of fingers to spare. it's not a long list. i think that the key element to
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that formulation is that liz cheney is a figure of national consequence. just like we have not seen so many people lose on a matter of principle, think about how many people you can name and our collective lifetimes who have in less than three terms and the u.s. house of representatives gone from being a freshman have very large body to being someone who has maybe not 100 percent national id, but many, many most people in the country know who liz cheney is now. she is a national figure. she will have finished three terms in the house. he was elected in 2016, it's not that long ago. her political career is very short. that's it. 2016, 2018, and 2020, now she has done. to have elevated herself to this point where not just people in her own party but people in the media listen to
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her, consider her a leader, talk about whether she might run for president one day. it is hard to do that in the house of representatives and a whole long career, let alone in under three complete terms. but that is what she is done tonight, and why i think in some ways it's a loss. she lost, she's not gonna be in the u.s. house of representatives anymore, but if you look at this from a larger picture, a very short career in congress has been enormously successful in terms of making her mark and creating a space to go on and do much bigger things and politics. >> so to reference points in her speech tonight that seemed to refer to the future. she talked about abraham lincoln, losing his senate race and then going on to win the presidency. she talked about general grant in the civil war suffering a loss and then instead of retreating going forward. it sounds like what she is saying is that she is going to model her next move on abraham
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lincoln continuing to move forward after political loss, general grant continuing to move forward. two former presidents she is sitting there. >> look, i don't know how much he's gonna model directly and either those two people lawrence, but there is no doubt that she thinks she is not done. there's also no doubt about that she thinks what the future holds for her is something bigger than house of representatives. people are already talking about trying to get her to run in 2024 either is a spoiler in the republican party or the third party candidate or as something else, a wholly independent voice in politics. put aside where you think she's gonna be successful or not. she is 56 years old, and that in our politics is very young. she's got a big future, a lot of years ahead of her if she stays healthy, and there is no doubt that those references to those two men the mentioned is very much personable. she wants to be seen and is to
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the extent i know someone who reads history. someone who like her father, even if you hate him was someone who also read history and took lessons from it. i think she is signaling in a very clear way just as she has for the last couple of weeks when in every interview she's done, she says i'm at peace with this decision. i recognize that i'm a lease the seat. they're bigger, more important things than one house in the house one seat and house of representatives. i don't think i'm finished here, my career in politics is not over, we will see you soon. i think that's with those historical references point to just as forcefully. >> john, thank you very much for joining us, really appreciate it. we'll hear more from liz cheney tomorrow morning in an exclusive interview on the today show. and coming up, harvard law professor laurence tribe was not available to us last week because even he has to take a vacations once in a while. professor tribe will join us later with his insights about
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fbi affidavit that the judge relied on reaching his decision to search issue that search warrant. today donald trump said in the issue of transparency, a call for the immediate release of the completely unredacted affidavit. donald trump actually did not make illegal motion asking the judge to do that. donald trump is simply commenting from the sidelines so that if the affidavit is released, he can claim he wanted it to be released even though it would be very damaging to him. and if the affidavit is not released, he can play in there is a cover-up of what is in the affidavit. the justice department told the judge that the affidavit should not be made public because it contains quote highly sensitive information including witnesses interviewed by the government. specific investigative techniques and information required by law to be kept under seal pursuant to federal rule of criminal procedure 60. disclosure of the governments affidavit at the stage one also
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likely chill future cooperation by witnesses whose assistance may be sought as this investigation progresses, as well as in other high investigations. joining us now is professor laurence tribe, professor of context to salon harvard law school for four or five decades. professor tribe, we are very eager to hear from you, so this is the first chance we get to hear from you from what we learned about the trump search for that was released last week, and what you expect to happen in the judges hearing on thursday about whether to release the underlying affidavit. >> well, i expect the judge will go along with the department of justice and not release the underlying affidavit. the reasons are compelling. the department spelled them out. there will be danger to witnesses, danger to ongoing criminal investigations, danger
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to the security of the united states, and a violation of important rules of grandeur secrecy. it's hard to blame the news organizations for asking to see the unredacted affidavit and all the underlying information. that's their job. the fourth estate wants to release information, but they know that's going to be denied. when donald trump from the sidelines says, i think it should be released but as you point out doesn't actually make a motion, he is trying as always to have it both ways. heads i win, tails you lose. it's cynical in the extreme. if he really were successor since here, what we can conclude is that he is willing to endanger the national security, not that we didn't
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know that already. we know that if he was sincere, he would be quite happy to disclose sources of of the most sensitive type probably according to the washington post including nuclear secrets. on the other hand if he's insincere and if he's just being cynical, what we know is that he is willing to paint a target on the backs of hard working, confident and decent fbi agents who are already getting threatened by saying, you see they're hiding something. this is all a plot by biden. as i say, he wants to have it both ways. but in the process he reveals as criminal a state of mind as he possibly could. >> added to our information tonight is the new york times reporting saying that the former deputy white house counsel was trying to get
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documents returned from florida to the national archives. and that donald trump was resisting him, resisting his attempt to do that, and then, and that same passage, that new york times quotes several aides, unnamed aides, saying that donald trump said about that material at mar-a-lago, it is not theirs, it's mine. if that's true, if they can produce several witnesses, and if the fbi has already talked to several witnesses who have heard donald trump say that about the material that he was keeping their, it's not there's, it's mine, is that essentially a confession? >> what i think, as adam schiff told you earlier, you are right of treating it that way. it's like the burglar who says, i'm not holding this stuff for the people who claim it's theirs. it is now mine. i own it. well, that is basically him saying that he owns material
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that really belongs to the people of the united states. he claimed to have declassified everything. that is just bs. there is no magic declassification. and anyway, merrick garland was very careful in the three statutes that were cited, to cite laws that were violated by holding on to this material, that did not depend on whether it was classified or not. it was material that would be highly damaging to the country if released, or if possessed by someone without authority to possess it in secure circumstances. so this is really a slam dunk case that the attorney general seems to be building against the former president, quite a part from his insurrection and all the other federal crimes. >> well, yeah, the insurrection, because the justice department
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's motion on this refers to other potential cases, that releasing this affidavit could jeopardize other investigations that they are conducting. they call them high investigations. that would obviously be that january 6th investigation and the attempt to overthrow the election. >> exactly. and what we have learned very clearly is that the search and seizure were not simply efforts to grab this stuff before the president could monetize it or sell it to someone, put it back in the secure hands of the national archives, and get it out from under it's completely unreliable really custodian. that's what some people thought this was all about. it wasn't part of criminal investigation, it was simply an attempt to repatriate the material. now we know it was much more than that. we know it was part of criminal
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investigations, and not only investigations involving the wrongful possession and potential misuse of top secret information, but other criminal investigations of a high-profile nature. it is not too hard to imagine what some of those might be. so, i think we are moving closer to the point of holding this -- man. i don't know if congress gonna call him a traitor, that's not right, it's not treason. but holding this person who doesn't care about the security of this country, accountable for his crimes. >> professor laurence tribe, thank you very much for joining us tonight. we always appreciate it. >> thank you, lawrence. >> thank you. coming up, today joe biden gave the bill signing then to joe manchin, after the president signed the largest climate legislation ever passed by congress. that's next. that's next. t to do. seeing my daughter have a heart attack, it shook me.
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today, president biden gave the pen he used to sign the bill to joe manchin, who was standing beside him when he signed it because senator manchin was so crucial in the negotiations of the final version of the legislation. with senate majority leader chuck schumer. the bill provides 300 and $69 million in spending and tax credits for low emission forms of energy. it extends federal health insurance subsidies, allows the government to negotiate prescription drug prices for medicare, and is projected to reduce the federal deficit by about 300 billion dollars over ten years. >> thanks to the inflation reduction act, 13 million people are gonna continue, continue to save an average of $800 a year on health insurance. the inflation reduction act invests 369 billion dollars to take the most aggressive action ever, ever, ever, ever in
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confronting the climate crisis, and strengthening our energy security. it's gonna offer working families thousands of dollars and savings, by providing them the rebates to buy new and additional appliances, to their homes, get tax credit for purchasing heat tops, rooftops stole -- it gives consumers tax credit to buy electric vehicles, or because new or used. and it gives them a tax credit of up to $7, 500, if those vehicles were made in america. >> in his remarks, senator schumer thanked all of the big names who helped get the bill through congress, and then, thank the people who worked even longer hours than that senators and members of the house of representatives. >> and of course, the incredible immensely dedicated staff, who gave it their all to finishing this bill, let's have a round of applause to this great white house and house and
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senate. [applause] >> joining us now is ali zaidi, deputy white house climate adviser. thank you very much for joining us tonight. the bill has a new corporatization in it. it takes in more money than it spends, so it achieves some deficit reduction. it has health care policy and it. but you are here because it has the biggest move on climate, that congress has ever done. what are the details of it? >> well, first of all, it's a message loud and clear to the world. we are back. we are back, in terms of leading on climate. we are back, in the race to lead the clean energy economy. you know, the president ran in 2019, 2020, on climate. he got a mandate, 81 million voters to take on this crisis. what he is doing now is delivering. 370 billion dollars, ten times more emissions reduction
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potential than any bill that's ever made it for congress. this is gonna cut costs for consumers might getting them tax credits and rebates. it's going to bolster our ability to manufacture technologies, like solar and wind and battery storage. and it's going to help clean up our communities, places like sports and industrial communities that have borne the brunt of pollution, this is going to directly provide support there. so, this is a huge step. there are more to take, but you know, the president is doing what he said he would do, he is delivering results for the american people. >> so, going forward, what would you say, a year from now, americans will see -- how will they understand the climate aspects of this legislation, in their own lives, a year from now? >> a few different ways. number one, they will be able to afford and access a broader suite of clean energy
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technologies. you know, folks over the next year are probably gonna be in the market for new appliances, like a stove, or an age evac unit. they're gonna have tax credits and rebates to help them, not only afford those, but afford the technologies that are gonna save them hundreds of bucks for the years to come. whether they're in the market for new, used electric vehicles, they'll have a tax credit that helps them purchase that. and for millions of americans, this means jobs, good paying jobs, apprenticeships in places like solar manufacturing facilities. we've had solar manufacturers say they will build and expand factories here in the united states, because of the tax provision in this bill. and then, what's really exciting is the president has followed through on this commitment to center environmental justice in all that he does on climate. so, places like port communities, folks that live on frontline and fence line
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communities, they're gonna have direct resources to help clean up. >> ali zaidi, thank you very much for joining us tonight. i know you have been working around the clock on this, and deserve a little bit of a rest from it too. thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you, lawrence. >> thank you. ali zaidi gets tonight's last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. ♪ ♪ ♪ it's primary night. liz cheney in the future of democracy on the ballot. cheney will not be wyoming's republican member of congress but her political future is not over. steve kornacki is back with the numbers as voters, some who believe election lies are having their say. then president biden's bff deep moment. he signed a major climate, health care and tax bill all into law all without the support of a single republican. now democrats say they have something big to campaign on. will it be