tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC August 17, 2022 10:00pm-11:00pm PDT
you are off to a fantastic start, as everyone can see. i really could listen to you and jelani cobb -- in fact, if you want to use just another ten minutes or so -- >> i will bring it back in the studio -- >> any night, when you need, say, an extra five, ten minutes, just text me and i will stay upstairs. >> friday, friday. have a good show, lawrence. -- >> the very bad news for donald trump is that rudy giuliani has finally, today, learned to talk like a lawyer again. today, for the first time in years, rudy giuliani did not sound like a hallucinating mad man when he walked into the fulton county courthouse in georgia to testify to a grand jury. he did not sound like someone willing to tell any lie for
donald trump. he didn't sound like someone ready to take any legal risks for donald trump. not anymore. not now that he has been formally declared a target of the grand jury's criminal investigation of exactly what rudy giuliani did for donald trump in georgia. the rudy giuliani you are about to see is truly shocking now. but it is the way rudy giuliani often handled press questions when he was a federal prosecutor in manhattan in the 1980s. today, with rudy giuliani clinging to the wreckage of his legal career with his law license suspended, pending possible permanent disbarment, rudy giuliani found his lawyerly voice once again. >> [inaudible] >> we'll not talk about this, until the grand jury, and the grand jury's [inaudible] secret. >> do you believe president
trump is the ultimate target of this investigation? >> i'm not going to comment on the grand jury investigation. [inaudible] no more about it. >> -- >> they asked the questions [inaudible] >> will you be cooperative? you are attorney says he cannot promise how responsive you will be. >> arriving at the courthouse at 8:30 am, before the doors were even unlocked, rudy giuliani showed no evidence of the health issues that his lawyer had told the judge made him physically incapable of doing what he did today, walking into that courtroom and testifying. the 78-year-old rudy giuliani showed no physical weakness and
actually demonstrated more mental strength than we have seen in him in a very long time. rudy giuliani was asked, do you believe president trump is the ultimate target of the investigation? and he said, i am not going to comment. that should leave donald trump terrified tonight. rudy giuliani did not launch into a giuliani rant about the grand jury going off to his hero donald trump unfairly. rudy giuliani said the kind of thing people say when they are very afraid of what is going to happen to them in the grand jury room. and donald trump is very afraid tonight about what actually did happen in that grand jury room today. there is no law that prevents rudy giuliani from telling donald trump everything that was said in his six hours of testimony to the grand jury. but whatever summary of his testimony rudy giuliani might be giving donald trump tonight -- possibly at this very moment -- donald trump should not believe it. rudy giuliani entered the grand jury room alone, as all witnesses do, to face 23 grand
jurors, who already suspect him of criminal conduct. that is why he is a target of the grand jury's investigation. public evidence seems to show that rudy giuliani did commit the crime of lying to georgia government officials. he is doing exactly that with members of the georgia legislature in this video. >> there is overwhelming proof before it, it depends on you. and it depends on your determination of credibility. you don't have to be a genius to figure out that those votes are not legitimate votes. you don't put legitimate votes under a table. >> no. >> wait until you throw the opposition out and in the middle of the night, count them. you would have to be fools to think that. so, no, no need to push it any further. but there is more than ample evidence to conclude that this
election was a sham. in my view, is part of a concerted plan. certain cities were [inaudible] to carry this out, where they thought they could get away with it. >> those votes are not legitimate votes. all of that, everything he said, is a lie, all of it. today, he was no doubt asked detailed questions about each sentence, possibly each word of each sentence that you just heard him speak. he was asked under oath today, in the grand jury, about everything he said on that video recording and other statements he made in georgia and elsewhere. he could not claim attorney client privilege and refused to answer questions about what you just saw, because that does not involve a conversation with his client at the time, donald trump. but he could have pleaded the fifth amendment and refused to
answer questions about what we just heard him say, because his answers could obviously implicate him and in even more criminal conduct. if rudy giuliani played it tough the way donald trump no doubt once in two, and refused to answer all questions by citing the fifth amendment, the way donald trump did in a new york deposition last week -- 440 times -- then why was rudy giuliani in the grand jury room for six hours? donald trump cannot be confident tonight that rudy giuliani did not give that grand jury, intentionally or not, some evidence that moved them closer to the biggest possible target of their investigation, donald trump. here is what district attorney fani willis said two weeks ago about the possibility of donald trump testifying to that grand jury. >> how important is it that the special grand jury hears from
donald trump directly? >> i think that the special purpose grandeur a need to hear as much information from as many people that are willing to come and testify truthfully. >> georgia's republican governor brian kemp is now fighting a subpoena from fani willis to testify to the grand jury. the governor's motion today to quash the subpoena reveals, for the first time, that governor kemp was subpoenaed to give testimony tomorrow. legal correspondence attached to the filing shows that district attorney fani wallace willis began negotiation with -- the governor's lawyer to begin testimony in the most possible cooperative way, without a subpoena. but she changed her mind about that, as the governor's lawyer, ryan mack avoid, became uncooperative. district attorney willis sends it email to the governor's lawyer, and negotiations broke down, showing exactly how forceful a prosecutor she can be. her email to the governor's lawyer said, in part -- the email you have sent is
offensive and beneath an officer of the court. you are both wrong and confused. let's discuss some of the ways you are wrong. this is not a politically motivated investigation. it is a criminal investigation and often at the end of criminal investigations people are cleared and often they do go to prison. you repeatedly referring to it as a politically motivated investigation does not make it so. in fact, he repeating it so many times only proves you have become comfortable with being dishonest. there has not been one leak of the special purpose grand jury. in fact, much to my dismay, attorneys of witnesses have
disclosed witnesses were summoned and spoken publicly. however, i understand they legally can do both. please be advised i have a great deal of respect for the position governor camp holds and the fondness for his wife, due to her advocacy for human trafficking victims. due to those facts, i have directed my staff to bend over backwards to accommodate him. now let's discuss your confusion. in criminal proceedings of this nature, proffers are not done by my office. we were giving governor kemp the courtesy of having his lawyer present for a taped interview to avoid him having to testify live. in any case, this offer is now off the table. he will be formally summoned to the special purpose grand jury, and you will be welcome to wait for him in my ruby bridge lobby, while he testifies.
judge mcburney is the only one with the authority to outline evidence issues of evidence and privilege. the state will strictly comply to any order judge mcburney sets for your client's testimony. i personally will question him before the special purpose grand jury. that is the prosecutor who might be the first prosecutor in history to subpoena a former president of the united states to testify to a grand jury. it's a grand jury that is investigating him. and you can be sure that if she does subpoena donald trump to testify to the grand jury, she personally will question him. leading off our discussion tonight is gwen keyes fleming, former district to kearney attorney of dekalb county, georgia, and harry litman, former deputy assistant attorney general under president clinton. he is now a columnist for the los angeles times. and gwen keyes fleming, you know how these grand jury's work in georgia. you were the da in the neighboring county, friends
with fani willis. what do you make -- what can we make, if anything -- of rudy giuliani spending six hours with a grand jury today? >> i think it demonstrates that they were either a lot of questions or a lot of information to be gathered. and again, the special grand jury has a very big job. and i am [inaudible] being diligent, as is fani's team, in making sure that they get all of the evidence they need to make a very important and difficult decisions that we can expect to see, both from fani's office, and the special grand jury [inaudible] >> harry litman we know donald trump spent a similar amount of time in an under oath deposition in new york, with the new york state attorney general in a civil matter. but he took the fifth amendment 440 times. could that be a version of what happens today in georgia? >> definitely. so, typically, in federal
practice and other criminal trials, when there was a target, they don't have to show up, they can just say, i am not going to talk, and the prosecutor gives them the pass. that's not so in georgia. i suspect that he didn't give very much and he gave some combination of the fifth amendment -- which he can validly a search to any question -- and possibly attorney-client privilege, though, as you note, he has no legal basis for it. but there is no way to sort of freeze proceedings, go to the judge and get a ruling in the middle of things. they can push it later. i think, quite likely, it forced every single question on him, so that the grand jury could hear him answer every single question. but he either invoked the fifth amendment or attorney client privilege. >> gwen keyes fleming, tell me what you know about how these grand juries work -- whatever fani willis is options if rudy giuliani comes in there and does take the fifth amendment hundreds of times? >> i think you are going to see her team -- again, we will see from the special grand jury's report,
when it becomes public. she's going to keep pressing the point. this is a sphere in which there is extensive experience in complicated cases. he knows how to write big concepts and big fact patterns into little, bite sized pieces that either help establish or would controversy any type of case she would be considering bringing. so, i think that she would have taken her time to make sure that the grand jurors got of all of the detail that they would need, to make whatever recommendations we can expect to see later this year. >> harry litman, going into this, the da team had to anticipate rudy giuliani taking the fifth amendment form with questions, probably. would they then have had a strategy ready? would it be likely they would have had a strategy ready, to perhaps grant immunity to rudy giuliani, so that they could then obtain testimony from him on the spot today? >> not on the spot, no, i don't think so. but they would have a strategy
ready. and there is a little complication here. because as gwen points out, this is a special grand jury that is issuing the report. will the da call for an interim report, so she could bring charges now against giuliani? or will they wait until the end to get one single report from the special grand jury, after which he will make a recommendation? but i think they have probably decided, are we going to charge him? and they could do that soon. or are we could going to try to get him to use immunity? it is a little bit of a calculation. one other reason, by the way, that you tell someone they are target, is so that they can come in and try to say, i will cooperate with you before charges are actually levied. don't see exactly giuliani doing that. but as you say, there is something about rand jury proceedings that sober people up and make them think a little
bit more clearly than his public persona of the last couple years might indicate. >> gwen keyes fleming, i for one have never read anything like some of the material that i read in today's motion by the governor to quash subpeonas, which included all or most of the legal correspondence between the district attorney's office and the governor's lawyers. especially that email that fani willis since to the governor's lawyer. basically calling him a liar, saying his language is ridiculous and calling this stuff political. and right, they're in writing, taking the offer off of the table of doing this the easy way, where the lawyer would be allowed to be in the room, and treating the governor like anyone else, any other witness coming in there. what was your reaction to what was disclosed in that part of the final? >> i think it demonstrates that the stakes are high on both sides. obviously, the governor and his
lawyers are trying to beat back the subpoena, and [inaudible] on their own terms, and you see fani not [inaudible] it. i think it's important to note that probably both parties realize these emails would have been made public, either through foia or through court proceedings like this. and i think it is important to see what fani he's trying to convey, that this is not politically motivated, that she has a job to do, she has taken an oath. and she is pursuing -- and properly investigating this matter consistent with that oath. and she's not going to be bullied. and she is going to ensure that our grand jury gets all of the testimony that they need. >> harry, what was your reaction to reading some of these exchanges? here i was in jaw-dropping mode as i was sitting in my desk reading this. >> yeah, they are volatile, especially coming from a prosecutor.
by the way i was very impressed with that last sentence. she's going to [inaudible] >> captain everybody in georgia is going to try to run that same strategy. every word written here, they know is going to go to the public and she has decided to play it very aggressively. who are you calling a politically partisan prosecutor? not me. she is going to fight back hard, both in court and more broadly in the rhetorical war in the country. >> harry lippman and gwen keys fleming, thank you both very much for starting off of our discussion tonight. thank you. coming up, breaking news tonight on a federal investigation of donald trump tonight. involving the same evidence
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given to the january 6th house committee. those materials included records from the files of mr. trump's top aides, his daily schedule and phone logs, and a draft text of the presidents speech that preceded the riot. the grand jury subpoenas suggests that the justice department has not only been following the committees lead in pursuing its inquiry, but also that prosecutors believe evidence of a crime may exist in the white house documents the archives turned over to the house panel. this explains, or could explain, a reference that the justice department made to other investigations in its filing in federal court in florida opposing the release of the fbi affidavit that a federal florida judge relied upon, to find probable cause, that there could be evidence of donald trump's crimes at donald trump's home -- a finding that resulted in the judge authorizing the fbi
search warrant at donald trump's home. in the justice department's filing in that case, which the judge will consider in a hearing tomorrow, the department says that the affidavit contains highly sensitive information about witnesses, including witnesses interviewed by the government specific investigative techniques, and information acquired by law to be kept under seal pursuant to federal criminal procedure, six easy. disclosure of the government's affidavit at this stage would also likely chill future cooperation by witnesses whose assistance may be sought as this investigation progresses -- and here is the key part -- as well as in other high-profile investigations. joining us now is mark s. zaid, an attorney who specializes in national security and security clearances. thank you very much for joining us tonight. this is relevant reporting tonight about the subpoena to the archives for the january
6th committee material because of that reference in the justice department filing of in florida, saying, the sources used -- the material used -- in obtaining the search warrant could, if revealed publicly, compromise that investigation and, as they put it, other high-profile investigations. that sounds like this investigation, where they subpoenaed all that material from the archives, that the january 6th committee has. >> it could certainly apply to that. look, we know there are a number of targets -- everyone always talks about president trump, president trump, president trump. but there are a number of other federal officials that work in and around the white house, as well as, frankly, some of his lawyers, who acted on behalf of him during the stop the steal exercises. all of which could be somehow under this umbrella, far-reaching umbrella, that no doubt goes beyond what we've publicly known. >> what do you expect to happen
in the hearing tomorrow about releasing the affidavit that underlies the search warrant? >> i would expect, ultimately, that the judge is going to maintain that it does not have to be disclosed. i represent a lot of media. i have gone after under the freedom of information act, supporting affidavits in some of these types of cases. every once in a while, actually with the government's cooperation, we can get access. but it is usually years after a case has finished. and there is no way that the magistrate judge is going to want to jeopardize any ongoing investigations. it may be that the judge reads it in. well, actually, the judge has already seen it -- might ask the justice department to give him a redacted version, just to see what it might look like. but i think, at the end of the day, it is going to be withheld. we will see eventually. and certainly, the trump people will see, it if anyone is indicted. >> what do you think the
timetable is for the judge making a decision about this? >> well, i have learned in 30 years of law practice, never to try and predict when a judge will rule. but this is such a high profile matter -- and it is not really a difficult decision, to be frank -- so, i imagine we will have a decision very short term. >> mark zaid, thank you very much for joining us tonight, really appreciate it. >> sure, my pleasure. >> joining us now is democratic congressman eric swalwell, he served as an impeachment manager in the second impeachment trial of donald trump. he is suing donald trump in for his role -- donald trump's role -- in inciting the january 6th attack on the capital. thank you very much for joining us tonight. so, when i see this new york times reporting tonight, i am linking it up with that justice department filing, where they said the evidence in the affidavit for the search warrant could involve exposure of other high-profile
investigations. it sounds like that is what the justice department is doing with that subpoena to the archives, to get everything that january 6th committee has. >> justice is on the move, lawrence. we are seeing that it is not only at the department of justice. it is in georgia. it is clearly in the state of new york, and now in the manhattan district attorney's office, with the former presidents former cfo -- offering testimony against the president. it's been frustrating, lawrence, how slow it moves. as a former prosecutor, justice takes an incredible amount of patients to achieve. but it is a crescendo that we are approaching with all of these cases. and what is clear is that, at best, donald trump was a lousy custodian of classified information. and at worst, he wanted that classified information to do something that would help donald trump and harm others. and we keep saying classified information, classified
information, you mishandled it. i think it is important for your viewers to understand what we are talking about. and this is what i see every day on the intelligence committee. this is information that protects our troops. it is called force protection. this is information about our nuclear capabilities. this is information about our adversaries nuclear capabilities. this is information that informs the president on a daily basis about big decisions. and if any of it is in the wrong hands or sloppy hands, troops could die. our billet-y to be a strategic leader in the world could be reduced. and donald trump should not be -- possibility of him testifying to the january 6th committee. if there was an invitation to participate -- it would be unprecedented in history to send on capitol hill.
any informal invitation granted to us, we would give it to consideration. what was your reaction to that. >> it was pretty damn unprecedented, for the new one president to incite a mob to violently attacked the capital, see a police officer, and many others die, when lost his eye. when lost fingers. . we were -- i also believe, lawrence, that president bush, and vice president cheney cooperated with the september 11th commission. mike pence is a big boy, he was -- he's taken a number of different oaths. and of course, as vice president, his duty is to america, and not all trump. and as i think we go into the midterm elections, frankly, now as we are seeing the defenses of donald trump by republicans, it is clear that if republicans win congress, they will fight every day in congress for donald trump. and democrats have to make it clear that if we win the congress, we are going to fight
every before you. and that is exemplified and wait to show. there >> yes. on a highly unprecedented note, presidents and vice presidents have testified to congress. gerald ford, as president, testified to congress about the pardon he gave to richard nixon when richard nixon left the presidency, gerald ford ascending from the vice presidency. and that was filled with a whiff of scandal. so, the idea that the vice president going up there, to talk about possible criminal conduct by a president -- well, we have seen it before. when republican vice president who became president, talking about a republican president, who did in fact commit crimes, richard nixon -- so, mike pence would be following in that old republican tradition. >> that's right, lawrence. he is going to learn that you need to put your feet in one lane. he is trying to have one lane distanced from donald trump. and his in another lane, where he is still with maga republicans. and liz cheney showed us last night, the honorable lane that
the republicans should be in right now, if they want to be loyal to their country. and i hope mike pence, for the sake of somebody who, i think, wants to be honorable and do the right thing, finds the correct lane. >> congressman eric swalwell, thank you very much for joining our discussion tonight. >> it's my pleasure. >> thank you. >> and coming up, dahlia lithwick will join us on the latest cruelty by the forced birth movement in the state of florida, where a 16-year-old is being forced to have a baby because judges believe she is not mature enough to have an abortion. that is next. better skin from your body wash? try olay body wash with skincare super ingredient collagen! olay body wash hydrates
between two initiatives on sports betting. prop 27 generates hundreds of millions every year to permanently fund getting people off the streets a prop 26? not a dime to solve homelessness prop 27 has strong protections to prevent minors from betting. prop 26? no protections for minors. prop 27 helps every tribe, including disadvantaged tribes.
prop 26? nothing for disadvantaged tribes >> in florida, a teenager vote yes on 27. described in court documents as quote. almost 17 years old and perilous. submitted a handwritten petition, seeking a waiver of the states parental notification and consent requirements. under florida law, an abortion cannot be performed on a minor. without the consent of a parent or guardian. according to the teenagers petition, quote, a minor states that she is sufficiently mature to make the decision. saying that she is not ready to have a baby. she does not have a job, she is still in school. and the father is unable to assist her. at the time of the petition,
the teenager was ten weeks pregnant. the three judge panel of the appeals court claimed the teenager was quote, i had not established by clear and convincing evidence that she was sufficiently mature to decide whether to terminate her pregnancy. so, florida judges have decided that a 16 year old is not mature enough to have an abortion. but is mature enough to have a baby. joining us now is dahlia lithwick, senior editor and correspondent for slate and host of the podcast emma. an msnbc law and politics analyst. dahlia, this is the latest example of what the forced birth movement is doing around the country. in this case in florida.
>> it is lawrence. i think even exactly nailed it. there is something just on its face preposterous about a court adjudicating somebody to a mature to make the decision to terminate a pregnancy. and then by default, have them be mature enough to bring a child into the world and presumably raise it. one thing that really strikes me in this case however, is that i have read the order a couple of times from the appellate court. it feels like the judges were kind of trying to do the right thing. they were trying to conform to the judicial bypass law. they were trying to figure out if this teenager in fact was mature enough. and what breaks my heart a little bit is that we are living under an old regime. where there were other systems to protect and now we are in this new post dobbs regime, where nothing matters. except that this child will be
forced to give birth and in a weird way, it throws open and i worry about this so much. every one of these judges looks like a hack now, everybody looks like a hack every judge that we are seeing north carolina, south carolina judge is making decisions every day and this is why we had stare decisis. so that the judges did not look like hacks. now that is just kind of a feeding frenzy of choose your own judicial ending, everybody looks partisan. and that is so disruptive for the legitimacy of the court. >> they also look cruel. hacks for me would be the kind description of what the judges are doing. people in the audience should understand that in an appeals court, the judges never see witnesses. an appeals court never hears this girl's voice, never see her face, they don't know anything about her. they are looking at paper. and they are making this decision about her life and they have decided. they've decided, looking at
paper that she is not mature enough to have an abortion. and at the same psychotic moment it seems in their brains, they've decided that she is mature enough to have a baby. and they've never seen her to make either one of those decisions. >> it is true, they are deferring to a trial court judge and the dissenting judge goes through meticulously saying that he thinks the trial court judge kind of gave it her best shot. but you are exactly right. there are so many red flags in this case. the child is in trauma. says she's and trauma. has no lawyer, says that her guardian, she has no parents. says her guardian approves the abortion. the whole thing, as you said, is a handwritten petition. so, again, she is kind of thrown to the rules here and now we are in a world in which she has no recourse. and we should note, she is ten weeks pregnant at 15 weeks. she can't get an abortion in
florida. so, in addition to everything else, the most merciful judge, the dissenting judge would throw this back to the lower court judge. in which case she starts again and she has five weeks to try to get an abortion, before the clock runs out. every part of, this every part of this feels like it is not centering her. it's centering some value that makes no sense to me. >> the supreme court justices who made this possible. there is not a word in any of their opinion that indicates that they care at all. not one bit about the existence of girls like this. they don't even recognize that these kinds of things happen. >> they don't. girls are invisible to them. women are invisible to them. pregnant people are invisible to them. they have this completely fatuous claim in the majority opinion of dobbs, that by throwing it back to the states, the issue just resolves itself and we can all sleep easier at
night. and you know who is not going to sleep easier at night, this 16-year-old girl who just as i said, has no recourse right now. throwing this back to the states solve nothing. all it did was throw the entire country into chaos and confusion. and in many cases, panic and fear. >> duluth with, thank you very much for joining us for this discussion tonight, we really appreciate. >> thank you. >> coming up, joe biden is now one of only four, only four presidents who have been able to do every democratic president since franklin roosevelt has wanted to do. that is next. s next so, you're 45. that's the perfect age to see some old friends, explore new worlds,
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you especially because your legislation was pulled into this bill. you were advocating the affordability -- the health care affordability act, as you called it -- what does that do? and how does it work in this legislation? >> since i joined the congress, i have been hearing from so many constituents about the high cost of health care. my health care affordability act says that no american will pay more than 8. 5% of their income for silver level marketplace plans. this is for people who purchased their own health care coverage. and it extends the popular tax credits, which makes their premium prices more affordable. this is first signed into law as part of the american rescue plan, in the spring of 2029. 2021. and then we saw 14. 5 million americans and roll in coverage. that american rescue plan provision was set to expire at the end of this calendar he year.
so, what we have in the inflation reduction act is a three-year extension of these incredibly powerful, popular tax credits, that allow people to find coverage, oftentimes for less than $10 a month. >> so, i am imagining your days as a nurse. and encountering people who have affordability struggles with the health care services that you are part of providing for them. [applause] and i assume, in those days, you were thinking, occasionally, as everyone does, gee, if i was in congress, i would -- is this anything like what you imagined it to be, trying to legislate health care improvements, back when you we're working as a nurse? >> you know, i didn't anticipate the twists and turns of the legislative process. but i think it is pretty impressive. in one term in congress, to be able to extend tax credits for five years, and thereby reducing the uninsured rate in the united states to the lowest level in u.s. history.
that is what we have done in the last two years. and so, i didn't know that it would take the form of these kinds of tax credits. but i think the impact is something that every nurse in this country can be proud of. >> i think you know by now that any freshman member of the house or the senate, it's kind of a miracle for them to get anything significant in legislation. so, for you to get this much, in this bill, is very impressive. >> thank you. i have been really proud to have ten pieces of legislation signed into law under both presidents trump and president biden. and this is just the latest in it's long series. >> representative lauren underwood, thank you very much for joining us again tonight. we always appreciate it. >> thank you. >> tonight's last word is next. new astepro allergy. now available without a prescription. astepro is the first and only 24-hour steroid free spray. while other allergy sprays take hours astepro starts working in 30 minutes. so you can...
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