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quisling. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. hle starts now tonight, the justice department tells a judge it has reviewed all the documents recovered at mar-a-lago, as pressure to indict the former guy weighs on the attorney general. and, while republicans predict violent fallout from the potential prosecution of the former guy, democrats are unveiling a bold new strategy pushing back at critics of their latest policies. plus, the economic impact of abortion bans across the country, and burdens women are facing while trying to get reproductive care. the current reality of our post-roe society, as the 11th hour gets underway on this monday night. good evening once again, i'm stephanie ruhle. it's good to be back here, we
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have got a lot to cover. it has been exactly three weeks, three weeks since the faa searched donald trump's florida home, and tonight we know the justice department has completed its review of all of the documents that were seized by the fbi. doj lawyers say a limited number of the items recovered potentially contain attorney client privileged information. the judge is now considering a request from trump's legal team to now appoint a neutral special master to see if any documents are covered by executive privilege. over the weekend, judge alene cannon, a trump appointee, signaled preliminary support for a third party to review the cover documents, our own kelly o'donnell has more. >> today, the doj told the court that the initial sorting of documents has already been completed. -- the trump team pushed back. >> we had a lot of problems accepting everything at face
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value, that's coming out of doj these days, it was very politicized fifth place, i'm afraid to say. >> when he was a candidate, donald trump said that he pledged to protect official secrets. >> in my administration, i will enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. but trump ally lindsey graham says that any charges could actually lead to violence. >> i will say this, if there is a prosecution of donald trump, for mishandling classified information, there will be riots in the street. >> we will have much more on lindsey graham's a headline making comments later in the hour. but let's stay where we are now, because the justice department is facing with the new york times is calling a, quote, unparalleled test. katie benner writes, when it started as an effort to retrieve national security documents, has now been transformed to one of the most challenging, complicated, and potentially explosive criminal investigations in recent memory. with tremendous implications for the justice department, mr. trump, and public faith in our government. she goes on to write this.
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attorney general merrick garland now faces the prospect of having to decide whether to file criminal charges against a former president, and likely 2024 republican candidate, a step without any historical parallel. we're also following important developments in another criminal investigation, involving our very own former president. a judge ruled in georgia that governor brian kemp must testify before a fulton county grand jury that is investigating possible 2020 election interference by mr. trump. the judge said kemp does not have to testify, until after the november election. with that, let's get smarter with the help of our lead off panel. phil rucker, pulitzer prize -winning deputy national editor for the washington post, katie benner herself who we were just quoting, pulitzer prize-winning justice department reporter for the new york times, and former u.s. attorney joyce vance who spent 25 years as a federal
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prosecutor. she is now a law prosecutor at the university of alabama. katie, since we were just quoting you, the first question is for you. your new reporting says that this investigation poses an unparalleled test for the justice department. how about an unparalleled test for a president? >> well, it's an interesting question, because again, we've seen a little bit of this in the monograms evening you referenced earlier. so much of the conversation has been around merrick garland, and the choice he will make, and the conversation is around the former president and how he's been pushing this again and again. the justice department did nick not go into this investigation related to presidential records and classified information, i think it would get to the point where lead to a search warrant to make sure it had obtained all the information that it is sought. in past cases, it had worked with people whether it was general petraeus, whether it
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was former secretary of state hillary clinton, to obtain information that was classified, as to whether it was mishandled. in this case, the justice department officials felt again and again that they were not been given the truth, and they thought there would have to resort to this. but, we frame it around the justice department's actions, and to the point, we very rarely talk about that it is the former president who created this situation, he's been creating these situations for himself again and again. now he is taking to truth social to try to exhort his followers to no longer trust the justice department, and say that he really should not be investigated. >> joyce, how high are the stakes? >> the stakes here are very high. i think katie does a great job of setting the table by saying that the decisions that are ahead of merrick garland are very difficult and very consequential decisions, it's very easy for the armchair prosecutors amongst us, myself included these days, to look at the evidence and to believe the evidence was reaching that level where prosecutions should
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be forthcoming. but, in reality, it is more complicated than that. there are important factual decisions in a case like this, and not the least difficult questions involving evidence in this sort of a case, or how do you protect classified information while putting it in front of a jury. there are some important decisions about balancing equities with the intelligence community, and selecting evidence if you are going to go forward with the prosecution. so all of this, very difficult, the sort of wisdom that you carry with you at the doj, is that if you are doing the job right, you will make a lot of people mad at you. with every decision that you make, people will be angry, and your only hope would be that you're making people who like you, as angry as the people who don't like you, that suggests that you are balancing things correctly. but at the end of the day, it's not a beauty pageant, you're not there to make friends. as a prosecutor, what you have to do is the right thing, and that is a decision that merrick garland will have to make here.
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on the facts, on the law, is prosecution warranted or not. >> phil, if they do appoint a special master doesn't that mean that they don't believe our government is doing the right, thing that they can't be trusted. >> well not necessarily, stephanie, the government has already reviewed the documents that were recovered from mar-a-lago two weeks ago. and former president trump has requested the special master of a judge in florida, who heard this motion has indicated that she is open to that, maybe even leading towards appointing the special master, but it's not done so and is not ruled. in fact, is waiting for the justice department to file its motion, which came today. we're not sure what the decision will be -- i don't think we can extrapolate from that that the fbi can or can't be trusted, it's just sort of a process
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where trump has requested this compensation, it's up to the judge to discern chairman whether to grant it. >> and joyce, could this be anotherbe careful what you wish for? remember, trump said let me see the affidavit, yet trump and his lawyers didn't actually do anything, originally was the media who requested to see it. now here they are saying that we want a special master, and if we get this 40-page response, which we could get from the justice department, couldn't that be a terrible thing for trump? 40 pages could be the doj's opportunity to show the public, and show the judge this wild goose chase that trump is trying to send them on. >> merrick garland has repeatedly made the point, that doj doesn't try its cases in the press. that when doj speaks in the courtroom, and in its pleadings. and 40 pages is a lot of
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pleading, stephanie. doj said today that they wanted to address both factual and legal issues, and trump and his lawyers may have opened just a big wide sort of door that doj can now walk through, telling the american people more about what's going on here. >> i'm interested. katie, let's talk about what we learned, that some of these documents from mar-a-lago, are potentially covered by attorney client privilege. how does that work? who are the attorneys. because, if this was when trump was in office, don't these attorneys work for us the, american people? aren't we the clients? >> well, he did have his own attorneys, he had an army of attorneys well use an office for various issues, including two impeachments, the mueller investigation. there was a lot of going on with trump vis-à-vis the law, so lots and lots of lawyers. i think it's really a matter of seen the evidence, seen, filings and seeing what they say. it's very dangerous to speculate about anything at this point, because so often we see every turn in this investigation, it's only been within days or weeks we have
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actually seen pieces of paper released to the public, that have given us if not all the answers, and some of the answers. so again i think it's a matter of waiting for these violence to come in. >> joyce, queen katie and her fellow superstar reporters on this, our reporting that trump 's legal team is still scrambling to find any sort of defense over why he had these documents in the first place. does that surprise you? they've talked all about what's happened here, but they've said nothing about why in the world trump had this stuff. >> well, there is not a great defence in the offing for that. this is classified material, whether trump has some pseudo-i
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waved a magic wand to declassify argument is largely irrelevant, because reportedly many of these documents are significant enough to qualify as defense related information, which is also protected by the espionage act. so, what do you say, right? at first, maybe you say you inadvertently it took the documents, but that is not the argument that trump is making, nor can he make it at this point. he was on notice that the national archives wanted documents back, he withheld them, there is reporting that he even said when white house counsel advised that they had to be returned, that they were his documents and he would not return them. he maintained that stands up until the point when high-ranking doj folks came down to visit, in an effort to shake the documents loose, and ultimately, as we now know, it led to the execution of a search warrants. there is nothing in that narrative that offers the former president the opportunity to say, oh no, i was entitled to take all this top secret classified information with me when i left the white house. the reason we don't hear him articulating a defense, is because there is not a defense to retention of these documents, let alone with mishandling of
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them at this point in time. >> on another front, we mentioned earlier, georgia's governor brian kemp, will now be compelled to testify in the fulton county investigation into election interference. i want to share with the atlanta constitution -- and greg bluesteen said on the doj's progress. >> her investigation is broadening, at the same time that it's tightening. it's going towards his inner circle, and some of those people including mark meadows have been informed that they could be targets of the investigation. they could also face criminal charges. so this investigation had been going on for months, the da said today that she was looking to wrap it up by the end of the year, to the special grand jurors go about their business. the question becomes, does she subpoena donald trump, but she's told blaine and others that she is not rule that out. >> joyce, where do you think we are in this investigation? >> so, what is clear about this investigation is that fani willis is intent on speaking
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with all of the relevant witnesses, in her moving papers in court, she has indicated that she needs to speak with some of the people like governor kemp, who has done everything he can to elude her, to make sure she is identifying all the witnesses. speaking with everyone with relevant information, that sounds like the sort of thing a prosecutor does when they are dotting their i's and crossing their t's, as they near the end of the investigation, trying to make sure that there is nothing out there that they are unaware of. whether or not she will end up subpoenaing donald trump, i think is wide open. part of the reason is that typically when you put a target in front of a grand jury, if the former president becomes a targeted in that investigation, then there are 15-minute implications. often, that come become very messy. i don't think it'll be very surprising to see the wrap without putting donald trump in a grand jury. she has certainly made a good faith effort to get testimony from everyone who can shed light on his conduct, as well as the conduct of the campaign and others in georgia.
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this does not look like a case that will end without some form of charges. >> phil, this is the investigation trump should actually be most worried about? >> well, staff there are so many investigations that trump should be worried about. but the georgia one has been flying under the radar all year. it has not gotten nearly as much attention as the january 6th investigation at the doj, certainly not in the last few weeks as much attention as the mar-a-lago classified documents search. and yet, there is real legal jeopardy according to the experts for the former president in this case in georgia. rudy giuliani has longtime friend, advisor and lawyer was interviewed by this grand jury just a number of days ago. this is an intensifying its investigation and the
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prosecutor there as joyce noted has shown signs that she wants charges to be filed. the crimes to be committed and she wants charges filed. >> katie, is the justice department also focused on this investigation, and severance, head there are a lot of investigations going on. >> a lot of investigations, it's true. the justice department is very much watching all the other investigations that are happening besides building. includes the congressional hearing, which would drink a lot of evidence the public, as well as what's going on in georgia with quaint curiosity. in part because of its own investigation, particularly there are two that we know of, it's january six investigation, and it's investigation into trump's posture mishandling of information, those aren't anywhere near complete. its investigation into trump's panel of classified information, that's not something that is -- whether they have the evidence necessary to go forward with criminal charges. it have to battle tests that
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amongst themselves, and lots to lots of meetings and lots and lots of debates before they bring that to the deputy interning general, and the attorney general to get them to weigh in. >> so before we go, when cassidy hutchinson, former chief of staff to mark meadows testify before the january six committee, she detailed the conflict awhile between donald trump and a member of the secret service tony ornato. after she testified, we heard from trump camp that ornato would be coming out publicly to dispute everything that she said, it was wholly untrue. yet we have not heard one single word publicly from him. and today, after 25 years of the secret service, he retired. are we ever gonna hear from this guy, because the news never came, out but we never got to meet. >> that's really perceptive stephanie, we haven't heard him
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challenged publicly cassidy hutchinson's public testimony in the january six hearing. in fact, we haven't heard the secret service as an agency challenge wet hutchinson put forward in her narrative. we are counting the events of january 6th. there were certainly a chance that after the after tony ornato does retire and leave government service, and he can tell his version of events at some point in time. perhaps he might even follow the path of so many other former trump officials, and wait for a memoir to be published. >> they all do, it stephanie, they'll do it. keep in mind that tony ornato, while a secret service agent for so many years that is very much a political actor in the trump white house, so much so that trump elevated him from a secret service detail to become deputy chief of staff. a political appointment to guard and protect the presidents schedule, his whereabouts, where he was going. he was a very close and very
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loyal friend and aide to president trump. >> how many more people are going to tell us, the country was in trouble, the democracy was at risk, he was unhinged, so i did nothing to stop it at the time, but then i wrote a book about it. how many more are going to do that? i want to know who buys them. phil rucker, joyce vance, katie benner, and to the new york times, please give her a big long vacation in september, she has not had one single day of the summer, i would like to know that. when we come back, trump supporters were warned of riots in the streets, while democrats are suddenly punching back against gop attacks. a new report says that any congressional public meeting, they didn't even talk about the former guy. and later, the often overlooked cost of banning abortions, especially when it comes to education, employment, and earning potential. the 11th hour, just getting underway on a busy monday night.
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president trump with his classified information, after hillary clinton set up a server in in her basement, there will literally be riots in the streets. i worry about the country. >> the senator's comments on fox news last night have been met by alarm across the political spectrum, so let's begin and discuss, we're happy to have back with us tonight, david plouffe, former obama campaign manager and former adviser to the president. and david javid, former republican congressman from florida, and an msnbc political contributor. mr. plouffe, january six clearly proved that hard-core trump supporters would do almost anything for that guy. when earth how dangerous is it for the gram to say that now. >> well stephanie, it's incredibly dangerous. lindsey graham of course knows better. i think this is just par for
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the course, which is just of course trump acolytes. graham has said -- they just don't want him to face accountability. and generally there's a lot of republican sane, that's the whole idea, they want permanent power, and never face accountability from courts, from the press, ultimately from voters. so there is a big principle behind it in this drive for autonomy. but graham should be saying is that people should turn out in droves at the polls, instead of this very dangerous, dangerous threat. i don't think this will deter a single person who is investigating trump, and ultimately deciding whether to bring charges. so it's people in that regard, but it's incredibly dangerous. he's a u.s. senator, multi term united states senator. he's been a counselor to republican nominee john mccain, the president donald trump, it's incredibly scary. >> the first thing david plouffe said right there is lindsey graham knows better.
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he does, david, so one of the world is he doing here? besides potentially just trying to normalize this talk around, oh, we always say like things like this. which is not true. >> yeah, stephanie, i would've agreed with your six years ago about lindsey graham. but i think the lindsey graham we saw on that clip is the real one, somebody who just reflects the politics of donald trump in the moment. and when i would suggest is that what we saw is a sitting u.s. senator who is not trying to discourage violence, but was accepting its inevitability. and that is the great danger, and i would suggest that we got a glimpse of kind of the tinderbox, but the nation could be when we saw the search of mar-a-lago. donald trump realized his ability to mobilize and catalyze not only signing u.s.
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senators, but the very -- storming the capitol. donald trump can recreate that moment, and he knows it. and that is the biggest worry of all. so, what should leading republicans be doing? as david plouffe said, they should be talking about exercising their franchise. not exercising acts of violence. that's not what we got from lindsey graham and -- >> donald trump may have the power to mobilize, and obviously storming it moment was a terrible moment in our history. but democracy held. and trump's name, though he's so powerful, was barely mentioned at kevin mccarthy's recent donor retreat. fox news just reported, and i will share, this trump was not raised as a factor in political discussions, not even when discussing turnout. he was only mentioned in passing, in some small breakout groups around policy. and let's be honest, david plouffe, that's almost laughable. if there's one thing donald trump doesn't talk or think about its policy. so the fact that he's not even been discussed, does he really have this massive power to
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mobiliz and control the party? >> but that tells you, is i'm sure we're gonna get an angry message on truth social when he reads that puck news report. >> good news, very few people follow truth social. >> i think that that -- whether it says is that many donors, house republican leadership behind closed doors. most senate candidates, you don't know the trump is a liability to swing voters. there is no doubt in 16, in his own rate, in six team in residue simpler. where the republicans won some close races. and then again in 20, when trump is able to get some huge turnout in large counties. it puts a lot of votes in the bank. but i think generally right now what you're seeing is a belief that he is much more harm than good. certainly when everybody takes
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truth serum, which is what happens behind closed doors. so that's when i think it's gonna be interesting over these next few weeks, but every time he does that he reminds people that basically every republican candidate and the entire republican apparatus in washington is basically there to do his bidding. that's their most animating principle right now, it's not a piece of policy, it's that donald trump is an aggrieved person. he was wrong, and we are gonna restore it. donald trump is out there tweeting today that the election should be postponed, and he should be reinstalled in power. and generally i have learned that almost every election is about the future, not about the past. that's the other thing where trump comes on, i think there's a lot of republican voters who said i liked some of the things he did, but he's gonna hurt us in some of the elections. >> i have to correct you there, donald trump didn't tweet
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anything today, he's not a lot to use the twitter. david jolly, here's a really basic question, because there's millions of americans who don't like politics or politicians at all, they care about policies that work for their lives. so what are republicans running on? >> well in it relates to this conversation exactly, republicans actually still want to be running about joe biden. they want to prosecute a case against joe biden, notwithstanding the remarkable legislative successes that happened over the summer. from guns to climate corporate tax rates, to medical prescription drugs. they still believe -- the economy started some challenges. they want to prosecute a case against joe biden. history was suggested that would turn out favorably. they can't do that for two reasons right now donald trump 's remaining front and center in america's mine, and as david just said that actually hurts republicans, that's not a favorable republican
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environment, and then secondly stephanie we are living in a post dobbs world, and that has shaken this race dramatically. we are seeing democrats now performing three, four, even six points better than they were before the dobbs decision, republicans don't have anything to run out going into november, this is quite possibly the worst-case scenario for republicans. well we'll soon find out. very big thank you to the double david's this evening. plouffe and julie i appreciate you joining us. when we come back, it's no secret. republicans used to dominate trolling their opponents. but democrats hitting back hard this weekend. right between the eyes. going after republicans for their hypocrisy. that's when the 11th hour continues. you are gonna want to see this. it's time for the biggest sale of the year, on the sleep
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would have you think. the government does it all the time. it is called a tax break. we see it with corporations. the government does not make them pay as much as they owe, which gives them more money to grow and thrive. that's exactly what's to the loan cancellation was meant to accomplish. helping americans have more money so they can succeed. and now, the newly fisted white house twitter count is trying to drive home the point by publicly naming and shaming republican members of congress who took ppp loans, and the truth is, all along with some significant wins, that may finally be helping to push president biden's approval rating higher, possibly crushing the gop dreams of a red wave this november. here to break it all down a reporter for politico, and veteran washington journalist and associate editor of columnist for real. sam here something i need to know, if you are a member of congress, it is a full-time
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job. we are talking four days about ppp loans. it was the forgivable loan program that the government put in place to keep small businesses across the country afloat. why on earth to so many members of congress whose job it is to govern also run small businesses that got hundreds of thousands, in some cases millions of dollars from the government? >> that's a really good question. being a member of congress is a full-time job or should be i should say. comes with a pretty nice salary. but members do have holdings and businesses still sometimes try to get members that have been there for a while, that they do operate from on the side. some of them to get loans from the government, some of do business which involves government subsidies. some of this is the nexus of some element of corruption in our political system. in this case, it's becoming the nexus of hypocrisy.
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as you noted, a number of these members who have been hyper critical of the student debt relief that the biden administration has passed, did in fact receive government loans in ppp. there are fundamental differences in the programs. one was to helping with pandemic foreclosures, and the others to help students handling their debt. but at the core, as you noted, stephanie it is the government to come in and help relieve death for someone who needs the debt relief. i think structurally that as a similarity that's why the white house is hitting back hard on those members. >> they are hitting back hard. what do you think of this new strategy a. b.? because traditionally, democrats are way more careful than that. they might think, while other democratic lawmakers, they've also got ppp loans, but not here. they're punching between the eyes. we haven't seen up before. >> no and certainly one of the criticisms of president biden early on was that democrats didn't see him out there punching back. he came into office saying he was going to ignite the nation amid tempers any wanted to work
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with republicans. must of the grassroots energy, all of the frustrations over the long, long road of build back better which finally became the inflation reduction act was born out of the fact that they felt that he was taking too much time negotiating with republicans on other things, hoping for things like infrastructure and maybe other deals. his career was during the arc of a more civilized time. he was a gentle man of the senate, and he really wasn't going to take on the fight of our time. it is an interesting turn. everything happening at once. not only the slate of really, really productive and successful and meaningful new laws coming out of the senate with the help of republicans, passed by, and signed into law
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by president biden, as gas prices are going down, as president donald trump is in the news with yet another criminal investigation of a very serious nature. then you have this new tactic is that they are going to fight back and punch republicans back in the nose. it's really, obviously being on defense, you're always losing when you are a defense, and the democrats feel that all of these things happening at once have given them finally a position of offense. it is definitely long shot by the base of the party and a welcome development. >> sam, what's your take on this new strategy? >> i think a. b. hits a number of valid points here. the context is really what matters. if this was two or three months ago pre roe v. wade decision, i don't quite have this
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democratic strategy, because two or three months ago prior, the gas prices coming down they, might not have done it. but you've had those two developments which cause incredibly wind behind the sales of the democratic party. and you've had other things that were looser for a while, but they've been achieved, the inflation reduction act and the student loans relief. that gives the party the ability to stop playing defense as a. b. says antigo after the republican critics. this is the only way they salvage this midterm election. for the party in power in the midterms you do everything he possibly can do to create a contrast with the opposition party. they get the ultimate gift that they have donald trump out there with all its problems happening with the mar-a-lago search, with the possibility and the likelihood of the january six committee certainty i should say, you get that
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contrast heading into november and it creates his political stew that could potentially give the party a good chance in the midterms, which historically should not happen. >> the gift of trump coming to a midterm election to you. sam stein, a b, thank you for joining us in this busy monday. when we come back, a really important story. the abortion story not enough people are talking about. the enormous financial burden it is putting on women across this country. when the 11th hour continues.
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abortion rights that has been overlooked and shouldn't be is around unexpected costs, or burden. they're trying to vote on a budget that would set aside $20 million to cover some out of state abortion travel. supporters hope to ease some of the economic consequences for those in states where abortion is now essentially illegal. joining us now to discuss is my dear friend julie schuller caught up guard, she covers business and economics at the new yorker. so good to see, who you are writing about the devastating impacts of abortion bans before the supreme court rolled back row. help explain to us where we are, because 70% of women who seek abortions, live at or below the poverty line, where does this leave them? >> listen, the fact that states, democrat leading states are
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setting aside funds to help pay for women from other states to come and get abortions, is an acknowledgment of the financial consequences of not having accessible, safe, and legal abortion services. the fact that those consequences can really be devastating. one thing that we know very clearly is that abortion bans hurt the most vulnerable women the most. so low income women, women of color, rich ladies will always find a way to get what they want, and what they need, even if they need to leave the country to get an abortion for example. black women are much more likely to experience unwanted pregnancies, child birth is much more dangerous for black women, and as you mentioned a huge proportion of abortions are obtained by people living below the federal poverty line. so one thing that people who are opposed to abortion choice like to ignore, is this
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terrible financial toll, and it's important that we keep continue keep attention on it. >> so, if and what are those states offering? those states are looking to limit or eliminated portion access, are they offering more financial support? and thinking about all those women who might lose their homes, jobs, or might lose their education because they are pregnant? >> well, so of course is not really possible to live in modern democratic society with the modern economy if you have your entire female population in a situation where they can't control their own family planning, and all you really need to do is look at what happened to women as a whole after abortion became legal. so you know it had dramatic effects on the ages at which women became mothers, and the circumstances under which they became others. it reduce the number of teenage mothers by a third. it reduced the number of teenage marriages by a fifth, and women who were able to
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delay becoming mothers, and do it on their terms when it was right for them were much more likely to go to college, to finish college, to pursue higher degrees, they spent a longer time in the league labor market. they were much more likely to enter higher paying professions, and they were much less likely to be in poverty in a old age, which is huge, because once a woman falls into paul poverty, she passes that down to her children and becomes a generational burden. so of course yes, it would be logical for some of these states banning access to the service to introduce new
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services, to help make up with this. but that is not happening, which will not surprise. >> california wants to be a safe haven for women across the country who are seeking abortion services. is this budget proposal going to pass? $20 million, is that the people of california want? many people say, we live in california, they pay high taxes because they want the policies to that state passes. could they not pass this budget and say, we understand it's horrible and we don't support what's happening in other states, but we don't want to tax dollars to go to that? >> i could certainly see some californians making that argument, this is really based on compassion, really, and there is less of an argument for self interest for california residents in doing this, however, it is again a nod to the fact that this will overall raise costs for everyone. any health insurance company of the covers women under his health insurance plans may end up in a situation where, they will have to readjust their cost estimates for women, because they will have more high-risk pregnancies, more high risk to child births. a lot of pregnancies and might have been terminated will now
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be carried to term, you may end up with more newborns with health issues. all those things are going to lead to higher costs. and the fact the california wants to take a compassionate step like this, is an acknowledgment of that burden that is going to fall into anyone, unfortunately. >> and for many of those women, california is far, far away. it can take them hours an hours to get their. she local had car, it's so good to see you, my friend, great reporting, really important reporting and people need to pay attention to it. when we come out, game set and match, i was gonna leave you tonight without talking about the queen, serena williams, she taps into her competitive fire to extend her career at least one more round. the tennis great waves goodbye again, tonight, as the 11th hour continues. from sleep number? because proven quality sleep is vital to our health and wellness, only the sleep number 360® smart bed keeps you cool, then senses and effortlessly
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serena williams. >> last thing before we go tonight, tennis anyone? the answer to that is yeah baby. the hottest ticket in town was in flushing queens, to, see the g.o.a.t. herself, serena williams perhaps one last time. even former president bill clinton, and dr. ruth where they're sitting next to one another. serena williams famously does not like to lose. and tonight, decked out and sparkles head to toe, she did not. the tennis star's singles career continues after she won around one of the u.s. open. the spotlight has only gotten brighter as she revealed recently that she's stepping away from tennis after this year's tournament. the 40-year-old has 23 grand slam singles titles. she won her first when she was
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only 17 years old, and wearing white beads in her hair at the 1999 u.s. open. tonight, serena's four-year-old dog daughter was wearing similar beads. after the win, serena had this message for her fans. >> it's so important to give your all, no matter what you do, no matter how many obstacles we face. i've been down and out so many times, and in the public eye, and i've had to like come back and, you just never give up. it sounds cliché, but that really means something, no matter what you're going through out there, i just wanted people to be inspired by my story, i'm from compton, california. >> shout out compton. >> and i made it. >> today also had us thinking of another tennis legend. for serena there was althea. it was harlem native althia gibson who broke down barriers in the sport of tennis.
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she was the first black player to kemp eat in the u.s. open, she was also the first black player to win wimbledon. the 29 year old was greeted with a ticker tape parade of broadway, a first for a woman of color. by the end of the decade, she had won unimpressive 11 grand slam titles, and the next black woman to win a grand slam title, none other than serena williams herself. the new york times points out that both serena and venus williams are known admirers of ms. gibson. in 1999, serena, then 17, faxed missteps in the list of questions in connection with the school projects. and the sisters used a photo of miss gibson on the back cover of a black history newsletter that they created. last week, on what would've been althia gibson's 95th birthday, the block on 143rd street in harlem, where she grew up, was re-names off the a gibson way. a celebration of two tennis


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