tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC September 30, 2022 7:00pm-8:00pm PDT
affirmative action. and with justice ketanji brown jackson on the bench, monday also marks the first day of a supreme court that looks a little more like the rest of america. that does it for us tonight, rachel will be here on monday, and i will see you tuesday. now it is time for a special edition of the last word, tonight, ali velshi reports live from fort myers beach, florida. good evening, ali, we are looking for to this. >> alex, thank, you have a good weekend, and i will see you on tuesday as well. >> good evening to the rest of your, as a lack, said i am here tonight in fort myers beach in florida, southwest coast, red where hurricane ian made landfall on wednesday afternoon. i want to implore you tonight to listen closely. this is not a weather story, it's not even a natural disaster story, it's a human disaster story. you see in the video, the weather, the wind the flooding, you've seen the aftermath, the broken things, the houses, the buildings, the bridges, the boats, destroyed. but these images don't show you
the lives that are broken. people on the margins whose homes, whose jobs, even their own bodies and their health are now precarious. people who don't have the insurance or the resources to rebuild. my team down here and i went for a drive here not far from where we discovered dozens of people at a shrimping dock for whom that is the situation tonight. no one has reached them and it is not clear if anyone has tried but i saw them. and you can see them too. take a look. >> [inaudible] it went into the rafters, we were away up in it. it started pushing on us and, long story short, it [inaudible] took over serious water. the bone next to me, they got me going [inaudible]
i didn't know if the building was gonna hold up or not. i went in hard, just seven [inaudible] my seventh hurricane. >> this is mature seventh? hurricane >> yes. [inaudible] now ian. and this is by far the worst. >> why? what was the worst of it? >> the wind, the tide. the tide surge! harvey, we had a tight surge, but we were several miles away. we are half a mile from the beach. >> we were up in that shop and we were trying to take cover, but we can get out of here. there was aloft in the addict, the we had us, and we had a guy in crutches, and it was a lady who was in her 60s and our dog up there. and we thought -- we saw water come all the way up to the top. and then it suddenly stopped. this is peoples lives here.
>> what was going on in the boat in the hurricane? >> there was another betide beside me. that boat right there broke loose. >> were you scared of breaking news? >> no it hit that pile and it was holding it. that's how strong the winds was. >> you held on it the whole? time >> yes. >> until it was gone? >> told is gone. and then i got on that boat and they said i could stay there. >> you're sleeping on this boat? >> yes. >> what have you got on the boat? >> there's a bunk, there's -- no food, there's nothing. >> so you guys eat? >> we got a box today. >> people have been bringing us food and stuff like that. >> what? demean >> it clothes. i have nothing. >> you're wearing this? >> the whole. time >> when you look at this devastation here, no one's worried about us look to people
that don't make 1 million dollars a year. i didn't even $25,000. here and mostly everything i've got is wet from having to keep that boat floating and going in and out, 105 mile hour winds. 150 mile hour winds. but today, what do you mean? we need sanitation before it gets really ripe down here. and we have nobody to -- we don't know who to call no one's come down. no officials. have come down and said, okay, we can get this, or whatever. >> how are you doing? how are you feeling? how long are you gonna stay out here? >> we don't have anywhere to go. this is pretty much our family other than our families at home. but this is how we support. them i have a granddaughter on the way and a grandson on the way. i just -- my husband, his mom, she's got health issues, she lost her place. so we're pulling together in
times like this. thank goodness we are all alive. >> we're glad you're alive. this is hard. this is really hard. we will make sure people know the story. >> thank. you >> we will make sure people know the story because this is not -- this is something else. >> it's a disaster, it's bad. it's mother nature. but >> keep the pieces and pick them up and put him back together where there were found, you know what i mean? so -- >> you're going to get that done. y'all tough stop. >> we're gonna keep going. that's all you can do. >> all the time up in this business, people always ask me, who the best interviews you've ever had, and it's always the strength of the human spirit. these people who have been left with nothing, literally, nothing other than the clothes that they are wearing, are talking about rebuilding. this was a couple of miles away from me. i ended the interview so i could get back into a place
where we had cell signal so that i could talk to my producer so i could say, let's tell their story, let's make sure we tell their story. they are not the only people in the state who are in that position. take a look right on the map, son carlos island, south of salt myers. we have reached out to local officials. i hope they see this and they get these people some help, or at least the very least, some toilets. fort myers beach, where i, am and where the sham factory, as is located in lee county, i've been talking about this for a few nights. i want to go to the commissioner of the county to the south, calling bexar county, regal catcher is joining us from phone from mark awhile, and -- where i was for the storm. commissioner, the castro, thanks for being with us. we have been with us literally every few hours on this network for days. i want to get an update from you for the situation, first of, all south and naples that i do know in collier county, you are helping the folks here in lee county which have seen things in a very different way that you have down there.
>> like you, i probably haven't seen it this bad and. while but i spent the whole day in my district for over 100 and thousand thousand people have boots on the ground. so a lot of people like you interviewed, i have a lot of those people. and good lined, aisles of capri, these are small fishing villages as well. so, myself and others as well, where out all day yesterday. i spent today, however, in our emergency operation center because that's the nucleus, that's where all the help she saw from. so we have [inaudible] there, we have different on proper profits, there we have our emergency response, our paramedics, our hospital people, from yesterday in the middle of the field, like you've, been thanking it emergency operation center, i was able to help a lot of my district and my county, direct traffic to
hotspots that i saw were not getting attention, in priority areas that were kind of low hanging fruit. just a quick little bit of it, i just got back home here to shower, and i'm going to actually take a little nap here, head back to the ufc. there's so many people to reach, and as you know, we don't have a crystal ball, so they're a lot of people out there that we haven't even found yet. but san marcos island, which is a part of my district, 70% of the power has been restored. we didn't even get the 70% power on hurricane irma hit for over a week. this was the good news, or trying to latch on anything that is positive. people have their refrigerators on and it's a big deal. we still probably have maybe 40% of the county without power. but that number is going to
drop quickly tomorrow. we have teams of people that are working hard on that. and lots of other things. i've seen so much destruction yesterday. water is a very powerful thing that can move some big objects. and causes permanent destruction. we can always repair a roof due to the wind or something that hurricane-force winds -- but i think you saw firsthand water destruction, ten feet of storm surge, terrific it's horrific. >> commissioner, one of the issues, here one of the issues here in the county, but was some of it here, is the filler cell signal. and phones. a ton of people that i was talking to on the silent numerous we're talking about the fact that they can't get the help they need because their phones don't work. obviously, i've seen this bucket truck up their fixing powerlines and naples, we've seen power come on a great
great great. we're not seeing that here yet and parents often are different things. it's 2022, people rely on cell phones, how do you deal with that? >> it can only speak for my county, lee county's apples and oranges. you have so much more devastation there, wind and water. i do want to make a commercial person companies, but verizon and t-mobile descended on us pretty quickly. and some of that is, as a lot of local officials, and i'm just talking for me, you have to pull the help as much as it's being pushed. that's why you have to be out in the field, you have to know what you need. we had several cell phone companies that came here with portable units that, yesterday, i, mean literally, i could see the signal double on my phone at a very particular time of the evening, and all of a sudden i could see old images, text messages. i'm sure counties, they're trying to do some of that. i talked to [inaudible]
i've got to see some aerial helicopter shots of the county and one of the things they said was one of the big challenges, there are pockets of people, as you mention, to restore the entire power grid in the end, there's just not that many people there. it doesn't mean that it's not important. i don't know what their priorities are. but here, we had an exponential progress from the last 24 hours. i'm talking to you right now crystal clear on the cell phone, if someone had called me last night, i don't know if i would be able to have this or a text message. and the times i was talking with, was because i wasn't another area of the county that had a stronger signal. you probably know that out on the field, you can travel little bit and you know where the hotspots are. but we had a lot of progress today, and it was reaching out for the cell phone companies and trying to squeeze them as much as we can get for support and we got quite a bit of it. here it hasn't stopped everything.
but today was a good day in the county, as far as progress i personally witnessed and people i've met yesterday that i know where help today. it's a little bit each day because there's so much devastation here. >> we will take every piece of improvement we get. i remember the moment last night when the place i was that, the power came, back and i remember when the storm was coming in at the hotel where we were showing images from. we knew literally which's free square feet had good signal, and when you went away from it you lost it. that's an improvement. commissioner, thanks for being with us. we appreciate the time that you've taken over the last few days. get a little bit of a nap and get back out there because your county needs. you commissioner rick low castro of calling bexar county, florida, that's the naples area. search and rescue here is underway, i want to go now to someone who has been out today on the boat, bringing stranded people in from the islands. brian stern is the cofounder of
project dynamo which does these boats rescues. brian, welcome. thank you for being with us. let me have a sense of where you are in the boat rescue situation. how many people -- what does it look like? how many people? to have alyssa people you have to go out? two is a constant, and where are you in it? >> we -- my team and i, we've been working really hard for the last two days. we got out here, right around lunch yesterday. we worked until the sun went down last night, and then all day today until about 20 or 30 minutes ago as the sun went down, we've been doing rescues and getting after it in sand bell, matlacha, and captiva, north kept, even all over the place, trying to help out where we can and get people off these islands that are not cut off. >> what does that look like? describe to. me we are seeing images of you on a boat. you literally go up to people's houses.
where do you get the information as to where you go and what happens? >> we're getting on our website project dynamo.org is where people who go to register their families. that's where you can also go to donate. we are donor funded entirely. we do need help. everything is -- we need gas more than anything else. we need boats more than anything else. people register their family members on the website and give us their addresses and we have to take our boats out and then going by foot. today, we probably walked a brown 20 or 30 miles inland from sanibel and other places. so very difficult, very hard. it's very dangerous. it's very muddy and nasty. the destruction is catastrophic. we this is map changing destruction. it's kind of like the skyline of new york after 9/11 is different after 9/11. kind of the same thing. every map of this region is
going to have to be redrawn. his region i going to>> it is an apt analogy. there are things that were here three nights ago that are simply not here anymore. thank you very much. brian is the cofounder of project diner more. these are the heroes of these days. hurricane ian not done though. it is pummeling the carolinas as it moves north. it made its second landfall as a category one storm, and just after 2 pm today, near georgetown, south carolina. it was an 85 mile per hour storm as it came ashore, and winds brought higher than expected storm surges that walked away washed away peers, and washed away fears in places like charleston. hundreds of people in the carolinas are without power. fema warns in still poses a threat to everyone in its path. i want to go to nbc shaquille brewster in charleston, south
carolina. it was an outside chance several days ago that is going to happen, but it happened. the storm came back as a category one hurricane. what's the situation now? >> you're exactly. right it came back in the category one hurricane, near where charleston is now, in charleston is telling nbc news this evening that they feel they dodged a bullet and that's not to say they did not have significant impacts by this as the national debt weather service that in the past day it rain about five and a half inches in charleston. that's historic. it has not rain that much in this area in one day since 1938. to the area got wind gusts of up to about 70 miles an hour, and tonight there are still about 40,000 people without power. but despite, that you have local officials saying they feel good about where they are. they're cleaning debris. the number of people without power, that's about half, the peak that we saw earlier today, and when you look at the coast
of south carolina you get a sense of why officials here in charleston feel a bit better. when you look at myrtle beach, for example, the storm surge caused rescues that needed to take place along the boardwalk there at the motel. you look at pawleys island, an entire pier was washed away. that was what the police department called historic and catastrophic flooding. so many people say that they have gotten better in this area. the water is receding. but still, a significant impact here in this region. >> i want you to stay safe. please, my friend, you've done as a lot, you know how to do this. keep your team stay. even the storms, as they pass through, they can still cause. damage shaquille brewster in charleston. this is what used to be an rv park in san carlos island near the trump factory, across the road from it. look at the broken would, the roofs strewn about. think about the structures that were and the people who call that home. where are these people tonight?
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washed into the streets. big, boats not little both. massive boats have been washed into the streets and stuff like that. i have never seen anything like it. >> it was very traumatic. i went into the water and save three people, and lost one friend. i couldn't save her. she got washed away. >> the devastation is unbelievable. i was a paramedic fireman for 25 years. it's unbelievable. >> tonight the cracks are starting to show. the former president, sorry, i want to talk you about this, we're talking about something else. i want to bring in state representative michelle rainier, florida state representative for district 70. that is part of hillsboro, pinellas, sarasota, and manatee. representative rayner, thank you for joining us. we appreciate you being with us. i want to ask you about something that we witnessed a little while ago, this whole idea of people on the margins, people who have great difficulty, the people who just can't jump in their car and
decide to move to another city and stay there, to stay in a motel. you have been out there helping people in the tampa area. what are you seeing about these people on the margins? are getting the support that they need? >> well, first of all, it's good to see you again, and it's really kind of where we, are filling in those gaps because everyone has an idea that we can evacuate, but i think we have to understand that is a privilege in the in being able to act evacuate. i just tweeted, while i was waiting to get on, with, you that there are some folks within fort myers that i have family in fort myers, that are concerned that they will receive the type of health that is equitable and just. so what i have been working on with other colleagues throughout the state is making sure that there is a recovery that is for everyone, that is just for everyone. and so my office has pushed out forms, has been in direct
contact with people all throughout this state, not just in tampa bay but in charlotte county and lee county and sarasota county. making sure that we can divert rise horses to anyone that needs them. this is really going to be an all hands on deck type situation. >> you know, i've spoken to so many people. when i was at this shippers yard, i asked people who lost their votes, really ensured? and they said, no they're uninsured. i spoke to somebody enables yesterday who said they lived in a trailer park. they lost two of their cars. one is insured, the other one just isn't. they couldn't afford the insurance. you can't live in southwestern florida, in western florida, without a car, for most people. these are the stories that people who don't live through this stuff don't necessarily know. some people don't evacuate because of their health, or because they can't afford the extra tank of gas. what does equity look like in these situations?
the commissioner from collier county was saying sometimes you get the low hanging fruit, the main roads with the power lines down, but for people on the margins of my take a while. >> i think equity looks like intentional recovery. i think we know where just from history and data where folks are separating and people live on the margins and maybe economically challenged, and i think we have to be intentional about making sure that those people are taken care of as well and sometimes maybe even taking care of first. i know that my phone has been blowing up with folks that need food. to your point about insurance, this is a crisis that we are in right now. we have folks who are just surviving, folks who fish for a living, and they are just surviving. we have folks that are trying to get from point a to point b. and so karen currents isn't the first thing that is on the
docket for them when they are thinking about their bills. but most importantly, we also have a housing housing insurance issue. someone texted me today saying that the he doesn't have house insurance because you can't afford it. and so this is where we are currently in the state of florida. i think we need to have an intentional focus to recovery and making sure that those of us who needed the most get the help first. >> you made another point about people i spoke to today. renters don't always have ranchers insurance, homeowners don't always have homeowners insurance because in tough times it becomes hard to afford. i had the shivers to shrimpers telling me the gases up in the price of trump's down, and they're getting squeezed. government can't do this intentional recovery on its own. you have been out there, community organizations are essential. what is the biggest need right now? >> i think the biggest need is twofold, maybe even three fold. one, there is a food made.
also there is a shelter need for folks who are being displaced. our utility companies, they're doing the best they can. i know in one county 60% of folks have their lights on, but really, as a reference earlier, this is an all hands on deck. to your point, ali, this is gonna be the government, but it's also gonna be community organizations. organizations i work with our giving other community organizations small dollar grants to buy generators, food, and to take care of their community. as we are looking at the government and government officials to be able to do the things that we need to do and be able to meet needs, we also need to empower those in our community who have the ability to keep care of the folks in their community and making sure that they have what they need. so this is really going to be an all hands on deck type of approach. that is how i think we get to that in intentionality. >> let me bring another hand into this conversation,
reverend morris is the head of the poor peoples team. reverend, you are the poor peoples campaign thinks about people on the margins almost all the time. and when we talk about hurricanes, we often center on things that people know, the resort areas and things like that, but resort areas are often better built in the low lying areas and the isolated areas that people are suffering from and not getting fema phone calls and drive-throughs by police and authorities. you have been focusing on poor poor and marginalized communities. what are you seeing, and what does my audience need to know tonight? >> saying, q ali, you are exactly right. poor people are bearing the brunt of this ecologically disaster. it is a catastrophe that was waiting to happen and persons who are poorer and low income
or adversely affected. the poor peoples campaign is mobilizing across the state to help those persons who really can't help themselves. when i heard the call for evacuation, i was petrified because of the poor and low income or those persons who cannot afford to evacuate. and so they are the person's most adversely effected by these ecological disasters that are lining up, one behind the other. what we are trying to do is mobilize faith-based organizations, unions, other community organizations, and persons of conscience to develop hobbs in strategic locations throughout not only central florida and orlando but on the southwest coast of
florida, where people can go and get the assistance that they need, assistance that is not yet available via the federal government or the state government. this is what we are most blazing to do is the poor peoples campaign >> let me ask you about, this what the reverend is talking about is all these organizations, weather is, unions are faith-based organizations, or volunteer, groups who can get to that some of these individuals who can't help themselves. we have this great idea in this country that everybody should be able to help themselves, but you are out of car, your out of your house, you're in a shelter, your i.d.s washed away with other stuff, you can cash your check on monday because the banks were closed, there's just a list of reasons why people on the margins cannot depend on just themselves to get out of the situation. >> 100%, right. and i want to comment on the
reverent and the poor peoples campaign for the work they've done and continue to do in our state and communities. i think that's right, one of the organizations that i support, florida for all, florida rising, we're actually giving monies and grants to organizations like the poor peoples campaigns and other folks who are actually in the community who are able to reach out and touch people in ways that electives can't, that in ways that state government can't, and ways that the federal government cannot because these are people that live in the community. these are people that know that miss path down the street needs to have some bread, and have some raw milk. and knows that if they don't hear from her, that they need to check in on her and maybe that they are able to assist her in ways that other folks cannot. so i think that we have to have this bridge of making sure that the people on the ground have what they need and there has to be an intentional focus on that. there has to be, even intentionality through the state government and the federal government to make sure that folks like the reverend,
make sure folks like from other organizations need -- to serve the people in their community in which they live. because they know the needs of the people of their neighbors, and their friends, that live among. >> thank you to both of you for the record, doing appreciated. florida state representative michelle writer, and the reverend james morris of the poor peoples campaign. thank you for being with us. coming up, we will give a long term look to the recovery. >> i literally watched my house disappear. with everything in it. right before my eyes.
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and the california democratic party support prop 30. prevent fires. cut emissions. and cleaner air. yes on 30. >> we're just beginning to see the scale of this destruction. it's likely to rank among the worst of the nations -- the worst in the nation's history. you've all seen on television, homes and property wiped out. it's going to take months, years to rebuild. and our hearts go out to all the folks whose lives have been devastated by the storm. america's heart is literally breaking. just watching people washing until the vision. i just want people in florida to know, we see what you are going through, and we are with you. >> as president biden earlier this afternoon, the real
challenge is that the people and south is florida are facing right. now the first priority right now is search and rescue. then comes cleanup. then comes rebuilding. that is going to be long, and hard, and really expensive. so what that process going to look like? and one of the people who were hit the hardest need most in the days, the weeks, and the years to come? joining us now is crestview, big have former fema director obama administration, and john cooper he, vera fema south east region. director thank you for being. here craig, i am standing in front of the picture you have seen many, many times. there is no hurricane or tornado in america that does not have a scene like this. of building that is just completely devastated. what happens? i'm always fascinated, i see people coming out of the properties and picking things up and trying to clean up and get a head start before authorities are around, before there are dozers and things like that. what is happening right now that we are not seeing? >> florida's looking at where
people are going to stay. i mean, fema, in the state we've been talking about this and, where we gonna house people? people can stay in their cars, they can stay there. they're only so many a hotel motel rooms the can get in the area. they're gonna have to look at temporary housing. and once you get the rescues done, you get the -- sanibel, some of those places, you're gonna have to do more work and get temporary bridges bringing in people by ferries and stuff. but i think the next big hurl is going to be, what is the short term housing while all of these people who have lost their homes, the residents there? some folks they haven't come down yet, they are seasonal, but there are folks who live there who live through the storms, where are they gonna be living? the short term housing is a huge challenge given how much area has been devastated. >> john, one of the things -- i mean a, lot of people who don't live in florida know florida because they visited. and go to places that are well built and they see the best of it. florida is a complicated place. there are lots of places that
are not sanibel, that are not naples, or the fancy parts of it. there are lots of places that have come down and that are on the margins, and that are low-lying, and our populated by marginalized communities. how do you try to make sure that the government's hands applies with some equity? >> ali, it's going to be difficult. i will just be upfront about that. it's going to have to involve having multiple people at multiple levels that are really carefully looking at the needs of the different segments that have been impacted. and in a situation like this where you are talking about a massive hurricane, where literally every segment of society has been impacted, the folks that really typically are involved in lower cost housing, that have come from lower caste housing, come from lower income areas, are going. to be almost unable to help
themselves. it will be very difficult. they may have relatives someplace that they can go stay with, they may have other people that they know that are out of harm's way, they can go stay with. but a lot of them don't. so it's going to be a priority to try to work with the people that can't find housing on their home. >> craig, you and i have talked about this in the past, there are various studies that indicate that the cost of building things that are resilient to some of these issues is much lower than the cost of rebuilding or repairing the. there's something wrong with the where we have that system worked out. when you are fema, you must be sitting there thinking, if only we had done, this or this was constructed a certain way, or coated been applied a certain way, obviously, that's not fema's job. you cannot correct that. but what's the lesson that we should be starting to take away with these increasingly difficult disasters?
>> do not base -- we have to build for the future. and this is another problem. and john alluded to this, finding temporary housing is one thing. but i've watched this play out in too many communities, when we go to rebuild and gentrify, and we end up displacing people even further away from the community because we don't focus on building affordable housing. none of these areas had surplus affordable housing in the first place. the row markers are crazy. so what we have to really watch is, yes, we will build back, we will build back better, but are we gonna build back for the people who are living there, or are we going to build back to increase the tax pays? >> that's the kind of think that we always have to think about because you are right, getting affordable housing in places like this where there are resorts and there are here for tourists, and they're here for the kind of stuff, it becomes very hard. you really end up squeezing please pull into the least desirable areas. >> craig, thank you very, much john, good to have you here.
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global implications today. putin's announcement that he is an expert of occupied ukraine, a claim that ukraine in the u.s. and other allies reject. earlier this year the start of putin's war in ukraine, i spent more than five weeks reporting on the devastation from that region. today vladimir putin announced the illegal annexation of four russian occupied regions in ukraine. days after the kremlin installed officials who voted in support of the move in what the u.s. called a sham referendum. you have to see the results of this referendum. one of these places has 99%, these are the four places in yellow. the annexation of, donetsk, luhansk, zaporizhzhia and -- . that biden warned that biden cannot get away with seizing ukrainian territory. >> i want to also speak to mr. putin's remarks this morning. you know, american and its
allies are not going to be intimidated, are not going to be intimidated by putin and his reckless words and threats. the sham routinely put on this morning is showing the unity and people holding hands together. the united states is never going to recognize this. and quite frankly, the world is not going to recognize, it either. he can't seize his neighbors territory and get away with it. simple as that. i have been in close touch with our nato allies who are united in our resolved to take on his aggression. >> sometimes in this war with ukraine, president biden says what he really believes, and sometimes people in his administration think he might have gotten ahead of himself. he's been ahead of things on ukraine but the sense of what the president stated today was echoed, to be clear, by his secretary of state, officially, anthony blinken. >> united states does not and
will never recognize any of the kremlin's claims to sovereignty over parts of ukraine seized by force and now purports to incorporate into russia. this territory is and will remain ukrainian. >> in response to vladimir putin's announcement, ukraine's president, volodymyr zelenskyy announced that ukraine is applying for, quote, accelerated ascension into a nato. president zelenskyy ceo also said that ukraine will not negotiate with russia as long as putin's president saying, quote, putin doesn't know what dignity and honesty is. we are ready for dialogue with russia, but only with a different russian president, and quote. joining us is someone who knows this very well, u.s. ambassador to ukraine, former u.s. ambassador to ukraine, william taylor at the united states institute of peace. ambassador taylor, it's good to see. in this position that the volodymyr zelenskyy has taken of not negotiating with
vladimir putin is actually very strong position, because until now there was an understanding that if ukrainian territory remain sovereign, ukrainians would like this were to end. but the tide of the war has changed. you and i have talked about this the last several weeks. it has changed. volodymyr zelenskyy is emboldened. >> he is emboldened, and he has reason to be emboldened. his military, the ukrainian military, is now pushing the russians back. putin knows he's in trouble. he knows he is losing on the batter battlefield. he's taking this desperate measure, these steps that say that he is going to annexed part of ukraine. the important thing is exactly what you said. it's what is going on on the ground. on the ground ukrainian military is pushing the russians out of their territory and will continue to do that. the ukrainians know that that is their territory. we know that it is their
territory. we're going to support them as they push the russians out. that is what it will take to end this war. >> bill, there is a lot of u.s. and allied and nato weaponry and expertise and training going into this war. that is something. it's almost like we are thinking about it is a nato country without having nato boots on the ground in ukraine. that alone cannot win a war, though. it cannot win a ground war and artillery war like we are seeing. the whole world did not think that ukraine's military was up to this task. the whole world thought that russia's military was more than up to this task. what did we all get wrong on this? >> exactly those two things. you're exactly right. many people thought that the russian military was great, was the second best in the world. it turns out it wasn't. it turns out it was corrupt, it turns out they don't have the training, they don't have the
equipment. it's not doing well. they didn't have the logistics. they didn't have the generals or the leadership. the morale is terrible. so all of those things combined to show that the russians couldn't do what they set out to do and the ukrainians surprised everyone at how strong they were and how well read they are, how well equipped they are. they're using the equipment as you say. we are providing them with some of the best stuff that we've got in terms of the long ranger artillery rockets. they are using them very well, very precise targets. that is what is helping them. that's what's helping the ukrainians push the russians back. they are doing this by defending their own nation. >> ambassador, i used to think that with each passing day ukraine did not win the store it would invented russia. it's fascinating eight months in that it does not look like that is the case. thank you for being with us and help us understand this for all
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