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strikes. good day to you. i'm peter alexander in for my friend andrea mitchell. we are watching breaking news here in washington. steve bannon sentenced this morning by a federal judge to four months in prison and a $6,500 fine on contempt of congress charges. bannon spent more than a year fighting requests from the january 6th committee to tell the truth under oath about his conversations with former president trump and other trump insiders in those key days leading up to the january 6th attack at the capitol. joining me now is nbc justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. he is outside federal court. nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali, former federal prosecutor paul butler and ben rhodes, national security advisor to president obama as well as "new york times" politics reporter, jeremy
peters. he is the author of "insurgency." let's get to the headline first. ken, to you, the judge's ruling meant steve bannon got to leave a free man in the short-term. notably here, he becomes the first person ordered to serve time behind bars for defying a congressional subpoena in more than a half century. give us a sense of what happened in there and how significant or i guess tough this punishment is. >> it's a cut and dry verdict. the government asked for six months, which was the maximum under the guideline. four is a significant sentence, given this is a misdemeanor. the government asked for a $200,000 fine. the judge imposed $6,500. a mixed message there. the most significant thing in bannon's favor is the judge stayed the sentence pending appeal.
bannon was going to walk out of here regardless. for a misdemeanor, you get to report later. it's the reality, he will not serve any time soon if at all, because he will go through an appeals process. he is making an argument he should have been allowed to assert the advice of counsel defense. he didn't willfully defy the subpoena. he thought he had a right to defy it. the judge blocked that because of the case law in the circuit here. now that is up for appeal. bannon won't have to -- the government argues they will win the appeal and that even if they lose it and there's a new trial, they will win again because bannon didn't just rely on his lawyers. bannon had no intention of cooperating with this january 6th investigation. there's ample evidence to support that. nonetheless, the reality is he will not serve this four-month prison sentence any time soon.
>> the judge agreed that steve bannon showed no remorse throughout the process. but they are giving bannon the legal life line here. what do you make of that, paul? >> let's be clear, the department of justice won and steve bannon lost. in the eyes of the law, bannon is a convicted criminal, sentenced to four months in prison. the judge said that he was thinking about deterrents. that's why he sentenced him at the top of the guidelines. bannon's convicted of contempt. that's a perfect way of describing his crimes. the prosecutor said bannon thumbed his nose at democracy. peter, thousands of americans get ordered to show up to legal proceedings. people don't respond to official proceedings and there are no consequences, the legal system would collapse. he appeals, but at some point, even if he wins the appeal, he will have to answer in court. there will just be another
trial. >> jeremy, you wrote the book on how steve bannon saw donald trump as the lightning rod to take control of the republican party. help pull back the curtain on how he was exiled by trump and then brought in ahead of the riot. >> like just about anybody in trump world, you are never really out, because ultimately, he will pull you back in or in steve bannon's case, you will find a way to work your way back in if it suits you politically and financially. what bannon always did for trump was give him the kind o vocabulary to speak with the right wing populist nationalist edge. but he did something crucial in helping trump better understand and really thumb his nose at the political norms and the institutions that uphold those norms. that's really what you are seeing here, is a continuation
of the disregard that folks like bannon and trump have always had for our institutions. their disregard for those institutions when they produce outcomes consistent with the law but unfavorable to them. it's ultimately all about them or in this case all about being in the service of donald trump, which is kind of the same situation that the republican party itself has found itself in. never cross donald trump. don't question him. stand up for him and his aides and his vision of where to take the country at all costs. >> ben, i want to stay on this topic of trump world as it were. we're waiting to see if we get a subpoena today from the january 6 committee. but there's a new report that just came out for "the washington post." people familiar with the matter, they tell "the post" some of the classified documents recovered
from mar-a-lago included sensitive intelligence regarding iran and china. how concerning is that to you as someone who knows the national security community so well and served there? >> peter, it's really concerning. it's basically your worst case scenario. the biggest intelligence targets and adversaies are russia, china and iran. this covers two of them. two big pieces of that. the first is, the kind of intelligence reports that he may have had on iran or on china are not the product of one person or somebody on the internet. right? these are comprised from many different sources and methods of intelligence collection that we would want to keep hidden from iran and china that in some cases are developed over years, if not decades. right? so if this information gets compromised, if someone who has access to them at mar-a-lago, which does not seem like the most secure place on earth, is
able to get those documents it could compromise our entire capacity to understand whatever the subject of that information was about. the second piece of this, peter, why did he have these? i had clearance for eight years. i had some of these similar documents. it never would have occurred to me to not only violate the law but for what purpose would you want to take this with you when you leave government? this is incredible valuable information on any open market. it's not the kind of thing you have lying around as a memento. i don't think donald trump is a connoisseur of the iranian ballistic missile program and wants to study it at night. the big question is, why did he go to such lengths to have this information that's incredibly sensitive and could be incredibly damaging to u.s. national security were it to get out? >> paul, if true, does this fortify the case against the former president? >> yeah. again, it shows that his intent was to keep property that he had
no business having. all of this belongs to the american people. he got asked nicely by the national archives. there was a stronger request. then the grand jury subpoena. then finally, the search warrant. reportedly, federal prosecutors still don't think he has turned over all of the evidence. it's very concerning. i keep focused on these folders that were empty that were found. we don't know what was in there, and we don't know what in the world the former president was planning on doing with these classified national security documents that don't belong to him. >> the president even in those recordings with bob woodward acknowledged he had classified documents. whether those are these, we don't know. ali, let me ask you about the former president and what we have been waiting for, the subpoena to drop. chairman thompson would be doing that. it was basically a week ago that they had voted unanimously by the committee they would do so. what's happening behind the
scenes? when do we anticipate that will occur? >> reporter: peter, i'm glad none of us were holding our breath. my sources had told me we should have expected the subpoena in the early part of this week. of course, here we are now on friday still playing the waiting game with committee members using words like shortly and soon. certainly, that is my understanding as well based on my conversations with the committee. i think what happened today with bannon really presents a tale of two subpoenas. one that is yet to be issued but to the former president. the other is instructive of what can happen if you completely ignore and in the words of your panelists thumb your nose at the actions of congress in asking them to come before you with a subpoena. it also presents and is instructive as to why the committee is in a bind on timing. the fact we are in mid october. the subpoena expires at the end of the year. that's when the committee itself also expires. if they did want to battle this out in court to try to drag trump before the committee, they don't have time on their side to do that. as multiple members on the
committee have pointed out, trump himself is a master at running out the clock. for them -- we heard this last night. the deposition and what trump could say to them is the thing that many of us are interested if that could happen. the committee actually thinks the documents request piece of this could be the more instructive thing here as they look for things that are concrete, especially as we have seen trump have a range of things that he considers to be true but are lies. they are not leaning on him as someone who is constantly truthful. although, he would be under oath if he testified. instead, they think that the documents piece of this would be more valuable to them as they craft this final report. gentry to speak to the mindset of the former president, what he knew, what was being put in front of him. it's why they tried to talk to as many people in his orbit as possible. again, we're waiting for the subpoena at this point. >> no doubt, as soon as it happens we know you will let us know. we will share it with the audience. ali, ken, paul, ben, jeremy, a
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president biden selling his signature economic programs as part of a push to improve the democrats' messaging on the number one issue for voters ahead of next month's midterms. >> 10 million jobs creates, a record for any administration at this point in the presidency. 3.5% unemployment, 50-year low. 700,000 manufacturing jobs created. >> the president also criticizing what he called the mega maga trickle down policies.
he will visit delaware state university, a historically black college, to promote his student debt relief plan. this is a new interview with dr. jill biden. a look at her influence on her husband, the president. joining me now is nbc correspondent carol lee and nbc's senior national political reporter peter nicholas who conducted that interview with dr. jill biden in the east wing office. mike memoli contributing to this we should note as well. all of our teammates at white house. carol, i want your take on the influence that she has, really unparalleled among first ladies. she is as described, the decider. pull the curtain back for us. >> joe biden's public life, his public service over decades has always been a family affair. no one is more important in that than jill biden and has been and continues to be. her influence as first lady
plays out in a number of ways. if you look at personnel and policy. the president's choice of education secretary, that came from her talking to teachers on the ground during the 2020 campaign who said, look it would be great to have somebody in there who spent time in a classroom. >> knew what it looked like. >> so that happens. as first lady, she said what she does that sets her apart from the president's advisors is she brings back, quote, stories. she talks to people in her travels. she finds out what their needs are. she conveys that to the president. sometimes that results in policy. another example of that that she gave was she was on indian reservations. they didn't have internet for the kids to conduct virtual schooling. that results in a policy. she also influences his speeches saying -- >> at uvalde. >> saying, this needs to have more emotion, more empathy, fewer numbers.
>> dnc selling t-shirts to say the number of firsts. first black vice president woman. first black supreme court -- woman supreme court justice. she said, i'm a first lady for everyone, not just democrats. what does she view as her role as first lady? how is that evolving? >> she wants to end some of the polarization in the country. she understands the country is divided. she travels to red states and blue states. she travels as much or more than her husband. they wants to disarm and diffuse some of the anger out there. she's giving it the college try. it's an open question whether she will succeed. that was the campaign promise of joe biden was to try to unify the country. she's working hard at that. there are ups and downs. there are tough moments where people have confronted her and told her when she's traveling, told her, joe biden lost the election, donald trump won.
people have shouted uncomfortable things like elder abuse at her, saying that joe biden -- telling her her husband is old and unfit. she continues to try. she doesn't seem to be giving up. she takes that seriously. she told us during the interview so does her husband. they want to unify the country. >> we know in the past there's been famous family sitdowns. they make big decisions today. one of the biggest headlines is what jill biden, the decider, told you about the thinking the biden family has as it relates to 2024. what did she say? >> she said that -- she made this argument for a second term saying that nobody knows government better than her husband. then what was even more significant, peter, is that a senior aide to the first lady told us that not only is the first lady but the biden family fully supports his running in 2024. >> which is notable. i think the thinking had been in conversations that he had had
previously that maybe they will make the decision after the midterms. she pushed further in terms that. >> you can see in her travels she's pushing the administration's agenda and going through the president's record when she's out there on the trail. she travels a lot. she appeared to the three of us as all in. >> she's been in nine states her husband has not been to. peter, let me ask you about another interesting takeaway. hunter biden right now. you asked about the possible republican investigations into their son. she told you, everybody and their brother has investigating hunter. they keep at it. i know hunter is innocent. i love my son. he will keep looking forward. that was pretty revealing. >> i thought so, too. it's worth noting we didn't mention hunter specifically by name. >> she raised it? >> she mentioned it. she raised it. she mentioned his name. it shows you how protective she is of her family.
she considers herself the defender of the family. central figure emotionally in the family's life. she told us at one point that she's more defensive and more protective of her children than she is even of the president, her husband. that's what really upsets her the most. she was pretty emphatic about that, defending her son hunter, who is under federal investigation and saying he is innocent. weighing in to that degree. it surprised me that she was willing to talk about it with the candor she did. i have to say, i'm not sure the president has discussed his son's legal jeopardy in the same way the first lady has. >> i will encourage people to check it out. i retweeted your tweet of it. what was your biggest takeaway? what struck you in that time you spent with her? >> i think it was the 2024
question and how much she's been a reluctant political spouse early on. she has not supported every time the president -- joe biden wanted to run for president. she seems determined to get him elected. >> frustration with the aides, the two hours news conference. >> yes. she didn't like it. she wanted it to end earlier than that two hours. >> it's a great conversation with someone who is an influencer who we don't hear from very often. thank the three of you for your reporting. next, regaining their rights. the largest voting rights expansion in decades. it's happening in a critical swing state. antonia hylton talks to voters added back. that's next live on "andrea mitchell reports." (vo the new iphone 14 pro is here. and right now business owners can get it on us at t-mobile.
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change that as part of our future of democracy series. >> if there ever was a time to vote, this is it. >> reporter: this man hangs outside the wilmington court with voter registration forms in hand. he is looking for people who might be on felony probation. >> we won't tell you who to vote for. >> reporter: an appeals court struck down a law that denied voting rights to people with felonies on probation or parole. judges agreed it racisting or begins from the 1800s. months before the midterms, 56,000 north carolinians got their rights back. the largest voting rights expansion in decades. has anyone given you this information? >> no. he was the first one. >> reporter: he registered this summer after more than 20 years in prison for a drug offense. >> any time somebody in this
town and this county -- >> reporter: he is part of a coalition led by forward justice. they have contacted all newly eligible voters by mail, text and phone call. >> did you hear about the new legislation that was passed? they can no longer keep you from voting. >> reporter: at a barbecue, the co-director of forward justice and lead attorney on the case helped get the word out. >> that's what this is all about. >> reporter: is this bigger than just what party wins in november? >> both have blood on their hands when it cops to mass incarceration. 55,000 people didn't have the opportunity to participate. now you got a chance to say something. >> reporter: he is more concerned about participation in a state where races are often won by margins smaller than the number of disenfranchised. >> people have been to prison and jail. people with records. they aren't aliens.
they have the same dreams as you and me. >> reporter: those dreams feel distant for this man. he is not sure he will vote. >> this is joyous, but it ain't. it's frustration. >> reporter: you are angry about what you have been through? >> yeah. to get a genie to say, now you can do it, man. >> reporter: there's fear of a reversal as the supreme court has agreed to hear the case. for now, he wants to celebrate. how do you think you are going to feel when you vote? >> i'm going to feel like a full citizen. it's going to feel damn good. >> excellent reporting from antonia hylton who joins us from north carolina where early voting kicked off yesterday. the senate race in north carolina in 2020 was decided by 1.8%. that was the vote difference.
turnout clearly is everything there and frankly across the country. >> reporter: that's right, peter. this is an incredibly purple state, full of unaffiliated voters. races are won or lost by a matter of a couple hundred or thousand votes. while 56,000 people may not sound to some like a lot of people, here in north carolina, that could pose a major impact. when i talk to these voters, they don't fit into any easy boxes. they are very heavily impacted by economic issues, rising costs of living, inflation. they know what it means to have a right taken away from you. they often are the first to talk about civil rights and weapon's reproductive issues. they don't necessarily fall into easy boxes. i think it's fascinating to see what happens, particularly in the senate race here, where beasley, the democrat, is only behind by less than 2 points behind representative ted bud. this is a group of voters who could pose a change a couple
weeks before we get to election day. i think they are an important group to watch. >> the real challenge is to motivate everybody to vote. the only poll that matters is the one at the ballot box. joining me now is garrett haake with the latest on a pivotal senate race in nevada, and codie keenan and eugene daniels, white house reporter. eugene, let me get to you. i want your take on her reporting. felons in florida are now getting arrested for alleged voter fraud. these votes on the margins in tight races can make a difference. [ no audio ] >> one thing that has been clear is things have ebbed and flowed. issues have gone up and down. what's clear is that a lot of
the races are won at the margins. when you look at 50,000 people, that's a huge voting block, especially in a state like north carolina. somewhere in florida, where republicans often see former felons as people who will vote for democrats, but that's not always the case, because people that go to jail, they're not just democrats. that's not how it works. when i talk with folks in north carolina, to folks in florida and they bring up these formerly incarcerated people who have been reenfranchised, given the right to vote, and they try to convince them that, we as democrats are the folks who will take care of you, we as republicans will take care of you. but when you look at who is arresting them, in florida, that's not democrats. i think that is where you will see a little bit of blow back in a state like that. for on the margins voting we will see in some of the close senate races, like north
carolina, that's going to matter so much for who is going to win and take back or keep the house and senate. >> in florida, one of the criticisms right now that they are disputing there in the state is that a lot of the arrests have been taking place in more democratic leaning counties. garrett, you are in nevada. you spoke to candidates in the senate race there, the vulnerable incumbent, catherine cortez. she was focused on the economy. you noticed some differences in her strategy versus the national strategy among democrats. >> reporter: yeah, it's been interesting to cover. this is one of the closest states in 2020. it's likely one of the closest in 2022. you can see part of the reason why. this is the state with the highest inflation in the nation. economic issues are front of mine to voters. polls time and time again are coming back to that issue. so, too, is catherine.
she has ads talking about abortion access and january 6. but she was very focused on the economy, trying to find this goldilocks zone between the popular things that the democratic-controlled congress has done but also keep a little bit of distance from president biden who polling not particularly popular in this state. the big piece is trying to disqualify her opponent. she's trying to paint as a carpetbagger, if you will. here is a little bit of the conversations from both candidates. >> he opposed prescription drug negotiation. he is opposed to the creation of jobs and growing this economy. there's an extreme radical agenda that he is literally leaning into because it's his political gain. there's a difference. i stand with nevadans. he stands with big oil and
pharma. >> she doesn't know who joe biden is and never supported joe biden, that's what she spent the spring and summer doing. the voters understand her record is her record. she never breaks from her party. that's why you are seeing the huge break our direction. people know we need change. >> reporter: peter, our colleague mike memoli pointed out that joe biden has only been to nevada as president for the funeral of former senate majority leader harry reid. he is not expected to campaign here. she's going to have to walk that tightrope basically on her own politically. not without major backers. former president obama is said to campaign for her here in a couple of weeks. >> that's a good way to transition to our guest here. codie, president biden pushed back on this narrative that republicans now have the upper hand with the midterms and that the economy is the top voter concern. here is part of what he said. >> the polls have been all over the place.
i think that we're going to see one more shift back to our side in the closing days. let me tell you why. we're starting to see some of the good news on the economy. gas prices are down sharply. in 46 of the 50 states because of what i have been doing. we are moving in the right direction. there's more to come. >> how does the president reclaim that sort of message on the economy right now? your former boss, president obama is hitting the road in places where biden isn't going. what does the former president bring to the table in terms of winning over the voters? >> i think biden's message is the right one. people forget, we didn't just win in 2008 and 2012 because of hope and unity. we had a focus on the economy. we had a focus on who is fighting for you. we could run against corruption, special interests. that will always be the most important issue for voters. we can make all sorts of academic arguments about democracy and that's on the
ballot this time, but people care about their pocketbook issues. our message has to be that democrats are the people that believes government can deliver in ways that improve people's lives and protect their freedoms. you have started to see republicans are talking about this, but they are promising to crash the economy with the debt ceiling if they don't gut people's health care and retirement. abortion is an economic issue. they are trying to criminalize it so people can't choose when to start families and how big to make them. this is very potent for democrats if they tie republican policies to extremism on the economy in a way that hurts people. >> your takeaway, since you wrote a lot of the long that president obama would say, the simple message he can communicate right now is what in these waning days with the trajectory toward the right? >> who is fighting for you? the people promising to crash the economy if they don't get the way. the party that's working to lower prescription drug prices, create jobs, focus on inflation, letting people marry who they
want and start families when they want? >> appreciate you being with us. president biden for his part scored a legal victory for his student loan forgiveness plan from an unlikely source. nbc senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell covers the supreme court for us. kelly, one of former president trump's appointees is in focus. walk us through it. >> reporter: amy coney barrett received this from a wisconsin tax group that was making the argument the president's plan to forgive student debt is unlawful because congress has control of the purse strings and the president would not be able to do that unilaterally. making that emergency application falls under the seventh circuit. that's where justice barrett is in charge. when that appeal went to her, she denied that appeal. what the court doesn't tell us
is what her reasoning was on that, in that kind of an emergency, that's not required. she could have consulted other members of the court, but she didn't. she just made the decision on her own. that's a big setback for those who are arguing the president is going beyond the law with his debt forgiveness plan. there have been other legal challenges that are still working through the system. the president says he thinks he is on strong legal footing. i asked him about that when he was departing the white house the other day. today, he will tout part of that with his visit to the campus in delaware where about half of the students or more have received pell grants. that's one of the programs that's going to see relief with the student loan forgiveness that the president is sponsoring right now. the idea behind that, of course, is another way to give people money back in their pockets when the president can't necessarily deal with inflation with a stroke of the pen or a quick policy achievement. but he can try to do this.
for those who have student loans who have not been having to pay during the pandemic, that will kick in again in january. this kind of debt forgiveness is timely for many people. as many as 40 million americans could be eligible for this. the legal wrangling goes on. that program is also moving forward. >> kelly o'donnell, covers the white house and the supreme court. thank you very much. major escalation. why are iranian troops on the ground in ukraine? john kirby will join me next here on "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. (vo) with their verizon private 5g network, associated british ports can now precisely orchestrate nearly 600,000 vehicles passing through their uk port every year. don't just connect your business. right on time. make it even smarter. we call this enterprise intelligence.
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lethality after recent strikes in kyiv and elsewhere eight months into the war. moments ago i spoke to one of the top officials within the biden white house about that. take a listen. joining me now is the top national security spokesman for the white house, john kirby. i appreciate you being with us. i want to drill down on this as it relates to iran and ukraine. how many iranians does the u.s. assess are in ukraine? is it technical support or training? is it anything beyond training? >> right now, we assess that this is technical support and training. it's a relatively small number. i think i'm going to leave it at that, a relatively small number of iranians that are on the ground. they are in crimea. we think part of the reason that they are there is because the initial shipment of the drones led to some operator and equipment errors the russians were having trouble with, having system failures. so the iranians flew in some of the tech support and trainers.
this is clear evidence that iran is on ground involved, engaged in the war in ukraine. >> let me follow up then as it relates to iran. does the u.s. have any evidence that iran is planning to or has provided missiles to russia? >> what we have seen is support along the line of uavs. that's what we are seeing now. >> the armed drones -- the unmanned drones? >> yes. i should have made that clear. that's what we have seen. that's the support we are talking about right now. >> just for clarity, there's no indication at this time of any missiles? do you believe that they are preparing to do that? is there concern that's in the offing? >> yeah, peter, we have seen some of the press reporting around the possibility of ballistic missiles involved. we don't have any indication that that has come to pass. iran does have a burgeoning and improving ballistic missile capability, which is worrisome in the region all by itself.
again, we will see where this goes. i would just say that we have held iran accountable for these arm sales of the drones to russia through sanctions, in terms of their defense industrial base as well as individuals. we are not going to take off the table additional measures of accountability, particularly in the sanctions regime as they continue to support russia's efforts in ukraine. >> john, we have been watching along with you and everybody across the word, frankly, as russia is continuing this bombardment. destroying the energy infrastructure there in ukraine. how is the u.s. helping ukraine prepare for these cold weather months as that continues to happen? is there anything you can do to defend the surviving infrastructure? >> we are working hard with allies and partners to see what we can do on the energy front to support ukraine. they have been weathering this pretty well so far and trying to get their power back online. the majority of the country does have power. certainly, this is a concern.
we are working closely with president zelenskyy and his team to see what would be needed going forward as we get into what is likely to be a very cold winter here for much of ukraine. we are doing what we can to help the ukrainian armed forces get ready for winter months. just out of the brussels meeting that secretary austin held additional donations of winter weather gear for the ukrainian army, that came through. we're doing what we can for them as well. >> john, we have been keeping an eye to the reporting about the former president, president trump having documents that include classified papers containing u.s. secrets. "the washington post" reporting those noted iran and that they were about iran and china specifically. that's according to people familiar with the matter. are you aware of the administration doing anything right now to try to protect sources and methods as it relates to this information that could be compromised vis-a-vis
china and iran and beyond? >> i'm not going to talk about an ongoing investigation or work the intelligence community is doing to take a look at these documents. >> what's the potential risk to the u.s.? >> i would just say that in general, in every case, all around the world and every day, we believe it's important to safeguard classified and confidential information and to make sure that we are doing what we can to continue to be able to access, collect, analyze information from around the world for our own intelligence purposes. the protection of sources and methods is always a concern for the united states of america. it will be going forward. again, i don't want to talk about this particular case and those particular documents. >> i understand. let me ask you as long as we are talking about china, let me ask you about north korea right now. are there signs the north koreans are planning a nuclear test in the near future? >> we have said and have been saying it for months, peter. another nuclear test could happen at any time. again, i'm not going to get into
intelligence assessments. we're watching this as closely as we can. >> of course, the reason this is notable is because the chinese are going to be wrapping up their communist party congress. so there's some sense after that, perhaps north korea may be motivated to do something. >> i don't know what exactly will motivate kim jong-un way way or the other. we need to be a little bit careful ascribing it to dates on the calendar. we have said that another nuclear test could occur at any time. we are watching it as closely as we can. we have all been seeing these additional missile launches the north has been conducting in the last few weeks. all of that is of concern. it's going to destabilize the region and the peninsula more. that's why we have increased our own intelligence collection that's why we're doing these additional bilateral and sometimes tri-lateral exercises with our japanese and south korean counterparts to make sure militarily speaking if we need to be, we're going to be ready to go. >> yeah, john kirby is the top national security spokesperson for the white house.
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>> let me ask you about that quickly if i can besides this revolves wore, turmoil with inflation rising more than 10%. how does what happens there impact us? >> basically what happens next in the uk will affect the u.s. because, "a," it could impact global financial markets. when we had a big sell-off in the uk government bonds recently, that created a lot elsewhere. so it's worth keep watching. >> it reminds a lot of these things, inflation among them, are global not just unique american experiences. gillian tett, thank you for your time that will do it for us on this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." it's friday. i hope you'll follow the show online on facebook and twitter. can you follow me @peteralexander. i will see you tomorrow morning
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