thank you so much for letting us into your homes during these truly extraordinary times. we are grateful. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. happy monday. >> happy monday, thanks, nicolle. i'm ari melber. tomorrow marks just two weeks out until these midterms. ♪♪ we got the music and the star. our leadoff hitter is none other than james carville here to make sense of it all. it is election month, and we say that because we're seeing this shift to longer voting windows is becoming a habit for many people. i'll give you one quick example. over 7 million people voted early. that number is up from the same

point in the last midterms, 2018. but some people are making up their minds and locking in their votes even as candidates try to close the deal or make their case in these high stakes debates. >> dr. oz has never done one single issue towards crime. he uses it as a photo pop. he shows up and pretends to care. >> joe biden with the almost 100% support of senator masto have passed policies that are killing the american dream in las vegas. >> we have the best governor in the whole country. >> so you're a desantis fan. >> absolutely. i don't know anybody really that likes charlie. >> the fact of the matter is, his policy have made our economy worse. >> for me, the most important

issue of course is the economy. the economy, the inflation, gas prices. >> as promised, we get right to it. democratic strategist, cohost of the politics war room podcast, veteran of many a campaign, perhaps too many campaigns some would say. you have been around the block. welcome back. >> a lot of blocks out there, ari. thanks for having me. >> we'll take your full shot to tell us, where are you? what are we seeing behind you? >> you're seeing st. louis, mississippi, a place devastated by hurricane katrina in 2005. about 60 miles east of new orleans and i come out here when i get a chance for respite. i love it out here. >> a little bit of local business. we see the flag waving behind you. i just showed what some candidates, some voters are saying. what do you see as the top issue given the mobilization turnout i just mentioned.

a lot of liberals and others -- moderates and others, women's rights advocates excited by the supreme court. others saying oh, the economy, something you've always prioritized, might be hurting the democrats. >> i seldom disagree with president biden, but i do disagree. they have a plan. and kevin mccarthy told you what their plan is if they get debate he says this. they'll shut the government down the force cuts to social security and medicaid. let's talk about the economy. let's talk about senior citizens who are dealing with inflation. you really want to shut the government down that would adversely affect the economy for everybody in the united states? and at this time do you really want cuts in social security and medicare? i don't think you do. i tell these democratic campaigns to this right to your face. when you get a gift like this, you take it and you bring this home and drive it. you drive it hard and you drive it exclusively. they have told us their plan

women now know what it is. they're in the open. let's go get them. >> so you're saying flip it, make it a referendum on the few things they have said they might do. >> yes. kevin mccarthy with a little more than two weeks to go in the election publicly said, what we're going to do is shut the government down to force cuts to social security and medicare. they have four perspective members of the budget committee say exactly the same thing. rick scott, the head of the senate committee is pushing this. they've tried to do it since the 1960s when reagan called medicare social security. the democrats have to have the discipline. you want to talk about the economy? i'll talk about the economy. you're a senior citizen, you're on a fixed income, they want to cut this. if you're a young person, they want to shut the government down and destroy the economy in this country, and that is not what we need at all. >> yeah. yeah, and as you mentioned we covered this on the program, you

have mcconnell saying, just us, we'll tell you later. but as you said, you have others saying, no, we're out here planning to cut benefits, et cetera. i want to get you on the prognostication, because howard dean, who you've known for some time, he might be more bullish than you. that's a big statement, james. >> well, i don't know to -- >> wait, wait, here's what he said, and i'll let you respond. >> i'll make this prediction right now. we'll pick up two to three in the senate and we're going to pick up the house. pick up seats in the house, not lose them. i predict we'll take two seats more than we have today in the house. >> james, the floor is yours. >> yeah, governor dean i agree with you if we execute an obvious strategy that is right in front of us. but if we keep this kind of npr foundation strategy of leftle politics, we're going to lose. if we pick up the banner and say, they have a plan, and this is their plan. you didn't believe them when

they told you they would overturn roe. guess what? they did. you better believe them when they tell you they want to get rid of social security and medicare, because they do. and i will agree with the governor, if these democrats have the discipline and the common sense to drive these issues home. >> how do you define the npr politics, as you put it, that you're warning against? >> i define it, in the spring of 2021 when awrote a piece in "the wall street journal" saying the democrats need to own the crime issue or the crime issue will own you. well, people said, well, you can't do that because there will be a big backlash. well, okay, you didn't own and it guess what? it's a big problem for democrats. i'm telling the same elite coastal people, forget everything. we are going to advertise and push the fact that they want to throw people off medicare and social security, and they want to shut the government down to do it. and that's how you win. we should have grabbed the crime

issue back in the spring of 2021, but we got to listen to to these foundation npr types, which is always a disaster. >> well, you know, one thing of value james, in the way you speak clearly on campaign issues is you're talk about driving issue, driving policy, driving values, make them respond. people might quibble with you about some of this. it's a big tent. here on "the beat" it's a big tent, but you're talk at driving the message rather than being reactive, which is what some dems are sometimes accused of. i want to play for you droeb who's back out on the trail. he's trying to hit the youth vote, keep it fun and joyous amid-the horrors people are going through. brand new video targeting the youth vote. here it is. >> my name is barack obama. i was the 44th president of the united states and i have the best jump shot in white house history. i heard a lot recently about how voting doesn't solve everything, and i can see why you think

that. it won't make outer banks or euphoria season three or rihanna's album drop faster. won't help you understand the most complicated questions in the universe, like why do i know so much about pete davidson's dating life? make sure you're registered to vote at vote.com/obama, and then go vote. >> obama right there in the website address. prime booking. my question for you, if we look at the era, zoom out a little bit, joe biden actually exists here in this obama-trump-now biden sandwich. what do you make of the unusual appearance of two former presidents? trump has been in the headlines. obama coming out with a more uplifting or joyous message telling democrats not to be buzz killed. we have his former speechwriter on later.

your view on all of that? >> i think president obama is doing a wonderful thing, and he has a connection and an understanding of young people that frankly i don't have and i don't try to, and i think his use of humor and touch stones is very effective. my job is a little bit different. i would like to instill more discipline and focus in these campaigns coming down the stretch. and you know, if we're to salvage this election and do pretty good, it's going to take a lot of people fulfilling a lot of different roles and doing what they can do best. poeb can do things no one else in the democratic party or united states can do, and it's an interesting contrast of his message of humor and trying to bring people to vote and trump's dark, relentlessly polarizing message. so i hope president obama's stuff is effective. i like what i saw. >> yeah. we showed a little bit of biden earlier. i want to show some of the head winds here against the biden

administration democrats, at least in the numbers. and the numbers shift. we all know this. if you look writ large at a question like, who you trust more now in the economy, republicans have a ten-point edge. a good chunk of the country says neither of them. the question, biden white house and to you as a stand-in if you don't mind being one, why would your party and the democrats be trailing republicans on the economy right now? is that a substantive problem, a messaging one, or both? >> we have had a messaging problem. we have a message opportunity. if you took the same poll, and a good pollster would say, let me point out a fact here, the republican party wants to shut the government down to destroy the economy in order to cripple seniors by substantial costs associated with medicare. now who do you think is better on the economy? i can tell you it would be a substantial democratic lead. and what these democratic campaigns need to understand is you're not stuck with the numbers today. you have two weeks.

you have two weeks to drive this home. don't waste time with foolishness. just drive this message home as hard as you can. that's what i would say. we have some gas left in this tank. >> well, people listen to you. i happen to know the current president has been known to listen to you, so it's interesting getting your unvarnished views in public. i nexted foolishness. saved the most foolish thing for last, and that is the trials and tribulation of senator ted cruz. again, talk about issues. i will be the first to say, not the top issue, not the first or second question, but we're not going to let you get out of here before i read from -- this is new independent reporting. ted cruz hid in a supply closet, assembled a coalition to discuss what to co. several members suggested we suspend our objections and vote to certify. he says, aware of the irony or

not, swrams, and that's where the joke becomes serious -- he says, i vehemently disagreed that under armed insurrection attack he should do anything but double down on the lies that fed the insurrection. i will say as a journalist, the courts and others can determine whether he's directly linked to that violence, but he's certainly linked to the lie. what do you think of ted hiding in the closet or any other view you have? >> exactly what i would think of a human being when someone calls his wife a hag and his daddy a murder, and he goes hat in hand, stooped over at a 45 degree angle, okay? of course he's in a closet. he's one of the most cowardly people in the history of modern politics. i mean, are we really surprised that ted cruz would be anywhere else other than cowering in a closet? of course not. we won't stand up for his own

wife or dad. what do you expect? >> there you have it. james carville, not surprised but willing to weigh in. i hope i can hear from you at least one more time before the election day. thanks for kicking us off. >> you can get me any time. thank you, ari. we appreciate. james carville, straight up. we know where he stands. we have obama's plans for the midterms hadw his top speechwriter. by day on "the beat." also the trump organization is going on trial. neal katyal explains when we're back in one minute. ck in one mie plus, shoden ashwagandha for quality sleep. so i can wake up refreshed. neuriva: think bigger.

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edge going into politics. >> my name's donald trump, and i'm the largest real estate developer in new york. i own buildings all over the place. i was billions of dollars in debt. i used by brain. i used my negotiating skills, and i worked it all out. now my company's bigger than it ever was, stronger than it ever was, and i'm having more fun than i ever had. >> you got to use your brain. if you're in a jam, you use your brain. now, people debate what he defines as fun or what makes a successful business, and while people who dislike trump love to attack his business every which way, tonight's news is not about a business debate. because there is no debate that the top money man running the finances of the company we just showed you is now a convicted criminal. there he was walked around in handcuffs. the chief financial officer pleading guilty to the felonies he committed for trump org. his words under oath, guilty,

convicted, no debate. that brings us to the news tonight. today is the beginning of the trial of the trump organization itself. that convicted executive will testify. both sides squared off, we can tell you, in court today, in the very first step picking jurors in the case. prosecutors say the company spent over a decade defrauding taxpayer by moving compensation off the books. the company faces millions of dollars in penalties if convicted while donald trump and his aides denied any wrong doing other than what that cfo admitted. we're joined by neal katyal. welcome back, neal. >> thank you, good to see you. >> good to have you. i zero in on what is not debatable -- because the lawyers love to say what reasonable minds can disagree about, and there are people who think, yeah, there's fashion companies and other branding exercises that may seem to make a lot of a little, and that's capital itch.

let's put that debate to the side and focus on your expertise and why this company is on trial today. apparently not only prosecutor bus one of its top financial figures says there's a lot of crime powering the supposed profits. >> that's exactly right, ari. the chief financial officer allen weisselberg already pled guilty to basically stealing a million dollars from the state of new york, through basically tax schemes that hid some of his compensation and the like. this isn't some low level person. this is the chief financial officer, the person who's the kind of top accountant of the company. now, who runs the company? trump's children run the company as of -- once donald trump became president, and donald trump himself ran the company earlier. this is a criminal trial against the trump organization. it's not against the trump children or against donald trump personally, but it is saying to this company that you all trumps

were running is guilty of various crimes. >> let's dig into what that looks like at a trial. an individual case or infraction would seem to be more manageable and thus provable than trying to get the jury to see not that weisselberg made a mistake or admitted it, not that the company's funds were affected. that's been proven in court. but there's something wider, it's worth convicting the company, which is a legal fiction we talk about, but it matters for the company's status. what do you need to present to jurors to get to that line in this case starting today? >> exactly. so, you can't jail a company, but you can hold them criminally liable, and here, if the prosecutors are able to show this wasn't some one-off by allen weisselberg, but this was

part of company policy or part of the way the company is acting in a pattern or practice, that's certainly enough to show this. and here i think the prosecutors have this kind of golden card to play in allen weisselberg. this isn't, again, a low level person. this is someone who's at the top. maybe he was doing this all on his own unbeknownst to the trump children and donald trump, but i'm willing to speculate a little bit and think that's highly unlikely. today a jury started to be picked. 130 jurors came in. many excused for cause. they said they couldn't render a fair judgment against donald trump or an unbiassed one. ultimately a jury will be seated as in any criminal case, but it's looking bad for the trump organization. the the trump organization is convicted they will go to jail, but boy, they're going to find it difficult to find any financing. i think it's already difficult for them, but it's going to become more difficult. >> yeah, and that speaks to sort

of what we alluded to earlier, which is what kind of company is this? how does it function? what's its future? then yes, you have the kids who are executive as well. it's all real stuff. then you have the new congressional subpoena for trump's testimony. take a listen to liz cheney about what could happen next. >> the committee treats this matter with great seriousness, and we are going to proceed in terms of questioning the former president under oath. it may take multiple days. and it will be done with a level of rigor and discipline and seriousness that it deserves. we are not going to allow the former president -- he's not going to turn this into a circus. >> neal, your thoughts now that this has sort of spread for a couple days or sunk in a little bit? >> yeah, so i'm glad representative cheney is saying that. i sure hope that trump shows up, but, you know, trump has not

really shown up in the past whenever the words under oath applied to him. he's talking to fox news or something like that. but when it comes to swearing on testimony, he doesn't show up or takes the fifth amendment as he did over 400 times in the state of new york. i sure hope it happens. the there's anyone who can provoke it it's nancy pelosi, because she's basically goading him, and trump is someone who acts emotionally, doesn't listen to his attorneys, so my hope is that the truth does come out and that he has the guts to go and tell the american people what actually happened on that day. and i hope that congress subpoenas the vice president, vice president pence as well, for the exact same reason. pence was a central figure in this and cheney and the others, for all the great work they've done andv let him go scot-free without asking him questions. >> i think that's certifiably true and does leave a confusing

hole. whether there's a back room legal strategy because they got more out of him and his aides and they need a prudential decision, as you say, this is big stuff. the reports are coming. they're concluding. you want to get pence on the record for all those reasons. before i lose you, neal, we love to you get you on more than one thing. we have something that's a subpoena clash like we were just discussing but going all the way to the supreme court, which is your thing. so i can't wait to get your read on this. senator lindsey graham basically lost all of his efforts to duck testifying in the georgia probe about trump's election schemes. the last chance would be a supreme court intervention, justice thomas issues a temporary block of the ruling order. i just want to tell everyone before neal breaks it down. that means the court in full could hear this case and decide

whether to make graham testify or not. we should also note before we bring neal back in, independent experts criticized thomas for not recusing himself in case limpinged to his wife's role in trying to possibly ill really overturn donald trump's loss in 2020. bringing neal back. that's a couple mouthful of points i wanted to get out for viewers. what do you see here in the actual case of the full court is going to hear the graham appeal? >> i suspect that lindsey graham's case is going nowhere and going nowhere fast. so graham is arguing that article 1 section 6 of the constitution provides him immunity from having to testify and comply with the subpoena, which is something you and i would have to do everidy of the week. he's saying he was acting as a legislator when he was working with trump to try to find those

11,780 votes. this is, to put it mildly, not a plausible story. and last week, the court of appealing in atlanta with two -- three judges, two of whom were appointed by donald trump, said there's no merit to this whatsoever. so lindsey graham's attorneys then rushed to the supreme court and said, hear our case, hear our case. and all that happened today was justice thomas put a temporary pause for a few days and said, look, don't interview senator graham now while these papers are coming into the u.s. supreme court. but he -- they haven't stopped graham from testifying for all time. i suspect that is almost certainly unlikely just given the fact that lindsey graham has, you know, a typical bad donald trump legal claim here, not something that can actually survive scrutiny by the courts, so i think it's -- >> so just briefly -- yeah, and briefly before we go, because this was making a lot of news

today -- your view is the court might take an offramp where it count hear the whole case potentially. >> yeah, i don't see much merit to the case so i'd be surprise first down the supreme court decides to hear the case. if they do, i'd be more surprised if lindsey graham won this thing. i think the decision by the court of appeals was strong, and these weren't lefty, they were donald trump appointed judges. >> a little different than some of what was whipping around twitter. sometimes when you go talk to an acting solicitor general, you might get slightly more reasoned analysis than twitter. although we love twitter, too. good to see you, sir. >> good to see you, my friend. >> appreciate it. reminder, you can always go to msnbc.com/opening arguments to get this and other legal analysis from neal katyal. ace mentioned earlier in the show, we have obama's top white

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like an intensifying problem in america, it has long deep roots which we've covered a lot. what's new tonight is what you're about to see, what some think will be a dry run for wider voter suppression. take a look at maricopa county. officials released these images they are investigating about what you see here, rather intimidating imposing looking individuals with tactical gear and macs stationed outside a ballot drop box. here's one interaction captured on video. >> it's nice to meet you. nice to meet you. hi. hi. how are you? how are you? oh, hold on.

>> hey! >> oh, whoa! >> you could see some of the concern there as the person with the camera was trying to get some identifying information. now, people do have a right in america to gather where they want. there's also strict rules about how close you can be to voting sites and what you can do. this has obviously generated some concern especially given the wider problems in america. a reporter caught up with two people filming the drop boxes. here's what they were saying. >> just out here watching boxes, and before we make any kind of statement or anything, i'd like to -- getting a suntan. getting some vitamin d. >> so you're getting vitamin d or watching the drop boxes? >> just hear. taking in vitamin d. >> and you're recording. >> vitamin d into my body. >> that's one drop box, one place where people can try to turn in their early vote. we talked at the top of the show

early voting has become common. this is the stretching out of the election we talked about. now you have the stretching out of at least questionable efforts. folks can explain why they're there to seemingly potentially interfere with voting. the larger fears are the stop the steal movement that's training thousands of people who they say will be poll observers, but again, given the wider context, concerns about whether this is all designed to interfere with the lawful vote. trump is targeting specific states regarding the midterms as well. gathered the al lice at trump tower, how to pressure republicans in pennsylvania to try to crackdown on mail-in voting. if you're winning elections outright, this is not the way you usually spend your time. we are joined by juanita tolliver. welcome back. your view on how seriously we should take this as the length of voting time extends we're seeing shenanigans people

remember from day before, day of, now stretching out early. >> right. i think this could be taken explicitly seriously, especially when the doj and fbi already identified arizona in particular as one of the states that will be facing extreme election threats this election cycle. and i also want to call out the fact that ari, president biden, the january 6th select committee members and democrats have been saying for months that these type of behaviors coming from maga republicans advocated for by the steve bannons of the world are the continuous active threat to democracy. this is the evidence. for v who thought that was an exaggerated statement, this is the evidence. as a block woman saying this, this is the type of behavior i know black voters faced less than 60 years ago in the same country some it feels as though everything we saw in 2020 is only going to ratchet up and ramp up especially as these

people feel more emboldened to behave this way. it was a joke, saying they're out there getting vitamin d buck we know explicitly what they're doing. intimidating vote sears federal crime. >> even if we say voting is important and someone took to trouble to get the early bat and get in their car and going to the drop box, you can understand seeing someone in tactical gear and what not deciding they don't want to take the risk or don't want to leave their kid and family in the car. by the way, i wouldn't second-guess that. people got to make their own choices each day about how to navigate this world, and that, unfortunately, though, redowns to certain people's benefit if they're trying to suppress the vote. then you have the arizona republican running for governor in that state. take a look at this exchange. >> early voting and mail-in voting, which you have been very critical of, would you seek to

limit it? >> i think, you know -- going back to when i first started voting in the '80s, we had election day. our constitution says election day. doesn't say election season, election month. the longer you drag that out, the more fraught with problems there are. >> juanita? >> look, last week you had kari lake saying she'd refuse the election results, now talk about -- republicans know when more people turn out, they lose. this is the strategy as we mentioned at the top, ari, that it's about limiting votes, limiting access to the ballots. that's what these intimidation tactics are. that's what election deniers like carry lake are going to continue to spout that same interview, she said if she had her way, 17,000 absentee and vote by mail ballots would have been thrown out. she's using trump's playbook from 2020 where he first started to go in on absentee ballots,

started to go in on vote by mail and saying they're likely going to be fraudulent and laying the ground work to try to reject the election results. she's using his same playbook here, ari. >> yeah. yeah, no, you make a lot of fair points. especially put a spotlight on it and remind people whether it's at the ballot drop box or the official voting site, if you see problems you can always phone them in, call the authorities. you have a right to have access whether you want to participate in voting. juanita, good to see. >> you good to see you. call the election protection hot line at 866-our-vote if you witness this behavior at the polls. >> there you have it. good to see you. we'll see you before the midterms are done. up ahead, a major development in holding police accountable. and coming up next, interview i told you about. democrats have obama out here in the midterm homestretch wham does a writer, author, and

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california, mountains, oceans, natural wonders, diverse and creative people. but when the out-of-state corporations behind prop 27 look at california, they see nothing but suckers. they wrote prop 27 to give themselves 90% of the profits from online sports betting in california. other states get much more. why is prop 27 such a suckers deal for california? because the corporations didn't write it for us. they wrote it for themselves. we're in this final sprint going into the midterms and democrats are deploying barack obama. he's stumping for candidates in four different states, which brings back some of the memories of the old days.

>> our time has come. our movement is real. and change is coming to america. thank you, delaware. wow. look at this crowd. we began this improbable journeyi journey almost a year ago. >> yes, we can. yes, we did. yes, we can. >> we have a very special guest, a look at the obama. cody keenan was the former chief speechwriter for then president trump. and he's the author of "grace", ten days and the battle for america. welcome to "the beat.." >> thanks, man, that's good stuff. >> a lot of people remember that. if you're a speechwriter for barack obama, who was an acclaimed author before we went into political or story -- >> he's told me. >> good for you. he picked you, and he cares about words.

on the other hand that's tough because you're writing for someone who already writes. when you see him out in the midterms, which obama are you seeing? orotory, speeches? >> both. i'm no longer with him, but i suspect you're going to see some of the greatest hits. we didn't just win in 2012 with the hope and unite stuff. he had a laser focus. one thing that's missing from the campaign trail these days is joy, fun, humor. he has fun when he goes out on campaigns. >> you do sound like you're channelling him. he made waves by saying democrats shouldn't be buzz kills. does that sound like something that is consistent that he'd say to you as well about the campaign? >> yes, absolutely. scolding people, lecturing people -- we should be -- for all the real issues we've got, for all the very real things

that are at stake from economy to democracy, you can have a lot of fun. >> i feel that some of that is tonal and some goes to the important role that he gave you. in the book you write, obama didn't lecture audiences about what they were doing wrong or what they were saying wrong. he didn't same people for not holding the most, quote, politically correct viewpoint on any issue, we gave americans the permission to go there on our own, which is a more sustainable path some give me an example where maybe you learned something from him in writing that plays that out. >> you know, probably the most famous examples were the speech in 2008 where he didn't just lecture people, he tried to open his mind and get us to see how other people might see the economy, about how working class might not like being talked down to about the economy. he practiced the politics of redemption, not repudiation.

he gives people the chance to did that. another time was amazing grace speech. >> amazing grace was both probably a challenge to write, and it also had its own organic follow through, which i don't know how you can fully prep for that, but you certainly be more or less prepared. in your case, presidential speaker more or less armed with the words and rhetoric they want to share. we put together, have a speech from that. let's take a look. ♪ amazing grace ♪ ♪ how sweet the sound ♪ ♪ ♪ that saved a retch like me ♪

>> you can't write thatle you don't write into the speech, sing here sir. i struggled with that speech. that was a difficult speech to write. any one for him that involved race. i wrote a draft the night before, he cross out the last two pages and long hand wrote in amazing grace. >> interesting. did your first draft meet the moment? >> no. >> you know who agreeing with you? >> barack obama. >> our old boss. i'm sure you know. i'm going to remind viewer who is don't. obama does a lot of stuff. he was doing a podcast with springsteen, but they have a serious discussion about it. >> i don't want to speak. i don't have anything left to say. i feel like i've used up all my

words. my head speechwriter, cody keenan, i tell him, dude, i don't know what's going to work here. he gives me something that is -- you know, it just doesn't meet the moment, not because it's his fault. it's because he's going through the same thing i am. we've done this too many times. >> yeah. neither of us had the words anymore. we had written way too many eulogies after mass shootings, and what changed this one was the families of the victims forgave the shooter in court. it changed the way people walked the rest of the week. >> people who watch "the beat" know sometimes the last question is the easiest. if you're so good with words, why are you soft spoke someone. >> soft spoken? >> you're soft spoken, you don't know that? how do you self-identify? loud? shout-out to the writers and the presidential speechwriters. thanks for being here, cody.

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