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ballot, and we'll place judges on the bench who will do it justly. >> we do not seek to judge people by the color of their skin but rather the content of their character. >> everybody's quoting dr. king. for what purpose? for those on the right, it's usually to lie about the meaning of his words. such as that anything that helps non-white people or gives them a fighting chance against systemic racism is itself racist. also tonight, george santos claimed that not only was he a collegiate volleyball star, he said he had to get both knees replaced as a result. those are the silly lies. but there are also serious new questions about alleged links to a sanctioned russian oligarch, and a company accused of fraud. plus, the obama and trump administrations ended very differently, which goes a long way to explain why the trump and biden classified document
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investigations are so very different. >> first, happy martin luther king jr. day from new orleans, one of my all-time favorite cities, where we begin with the hard fought and hard won holiday celebrating king's life and legacy. the reverend dr. martin luther king jr. transformed the nation the way we think, the way we protest, the ways in which we commit and recommit to the promise of america. it was he, alongside his wife coretta scott king, who led a black voting rights march from selma, alabama, to the state capitol in montgomery in 1965. that fight for voting rights and equality continues today. it's also the day we witness with display the tradition of republicans misusing ml,est k's message by retweeting the one quote they know, the one from his "i have a dream" speech two years before selma, challenging america to judge people not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
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the speech also challenged america on its racism, segregation, and poverty, and the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. but the republicans don't quote that part. i don't know if they have ever read the entire speech. some may think that those tweets are a newer phenomenon, another example of glaring hypocrisy by the american right, but the distortion torsion of the message has been going on for nearly 40 years. it was president reagan who popularized the tactic of co-opting dr. king's philosophy of a color blind society to advance his assault on racial progress. reagan got elected just 12 years after king's assassination. he prioritized dismantling the federal voting rights and anti-poverty programs that king fought under two presidents to achieve. even quoting king while attacking affirmative action, as he weakened the enforcement of civil rights laws. with the help of his legal team
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that included a young republican lawyer named john roberts, now chief justice of the supreme court, it was reagan who signed the king holiday bill into law back in 1983. though he didn't initially support the holiday. when you look at reagan's record on race, it is easy to see why. reagan opposed every major piece of civil rights legislation adopted by congress. he even called the voting rights act of 1965 humiliating to the south. launching his 1980 presidential campaign from philadelphia, mississippi, where civil rights heroes were murdered by white nationalists. but after a few years and a support for the holiday gained momentum, reagan dramatically changed his tune about the mlk holiday, signing it into law in the presence of coretta scott king, the architect of the king legacy who fought for the holiday for 15 years. the law came with advantages, not for the country or people of color but for reagan. pacifying his critics, and as
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the boston review described, to advance the anti-black crusade he had waged since the 1960s, now under the alluring mantle of color blindness. that's exactly what we're seeing today. republicans invoking the words of mlk, to support conservative policies, which is why you're seeing folks like ron desantis quoting mlk today as well as when he proposed a bill that prevents teachers from discussing race, sex, and american history in the classroom. ditto on republican chip roy, who also quoted mlk today, but voted against a bill, get this, to make lynching a federal hate crime. or virginia governor glenn youngkin who tweeted about how king's spirit and legacy motivate us today. while a school board in his state bans 21 books from its high school library, including four by toni morrison, the list goes on and on. hashtag mlk by republicans hell bent on blocking police reform and access to the ballot box,
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which helps to empower conservative groups like moms for liberty, who are harassing educators and librarians to ban books about dr. king. rosa parks, and ruby bridges. and claiming without a hint of irony that dr. king would have wanted it that way. joining me now is the reverend al sharpton, host of msnbc's politics nation, who joined president biden today at the national action network's annual mlk day breakfast, and christina greer, associate professor of political science at fordham university. i appreciate you both for being here. happy mlk day to both of you. rev, my wonderful big brother, i have to show you this. you were busy today doing events with the president, so you might have missed what the bangor daily news did today on mlk day. we'll put a screen shot up. they posted parts of their favorite speech, the 1963 march on washington speech and the headline is we should take a
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step away from our divisive politics but whey they did is they red lined out more than half of the speech. and only put up the parts that promote the agenda they want. they took out -- look at the lines they took out. on poverty, which was a major part of the king speech in '63, 100 years later, the negro still lives on a loney island of poverty in a vast organization of material prosterity. they took out the part on systemic racism. they took out the part that says america has given the negro people a bad check, which was marked insufficient funds and took out the part about police brutality where he said we can never be satisfied as long as the negro is the victim of unspeakable police brutality. your thoughts. >> when you look at the fact those that are misquoting dr. king today are the ones threatening with the nation's debt coming up, saying let's look at entitlement programs, programs that dr. king and his
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whole generation of civil rights leaders fought to get like social security and medicare, medicaid, and other entitlement programs, when you look at the fact that not only did they take out the part that you quoted about insufficient funds, he talked about how it bounced in the bank of justice, where they're about to bounce the nation's debt. let's not forget, ronald reagan did not only oppose all of the civil rights laws that was presented at that time. ronald reagan had called dr. king a communist. and dr. king was red baited for many years by the right wing that now red baits many of us that operate in his legacy. that is why national action network every year tries to take back those that seek to kidnap dr. king and martin luther king iii and andrea king and i have
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done this every year and called for a new walk on august this year around the hate crimes and around the poverty. we'll see who shows up at the march that showed up misquoting dr. king on the holiday they never intended for us to have. >> yeah, you know, what's so interesting, and kidnapping is such an appropriate word, christina, because you know, the fact that people like ron desantis are literally quoting king in order to ban the teaching of racial history, which would include the teaching about what dr. king was fighting for, the fact he was surveilled by the fbi and harassed in an attempt to get him to kill himself, the fact he was deeply unpopular. this sort of, you know, muppetization of king makes no sense. 63% disapproval rates when he was alive, he was hated, but
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they're turning him into a crusader for getting rid of any programs that would help people of color. >> you have to remember, joy, the march on washington -- dr. king was very implicit this isn't just about racial justice but economic justice. and when he started mobilizing not just for african americans but for whites in the south, other immigrant groups to help them understand they're being captured by the republican party, they're given bad checks as well, this is when the republican party really sees dr. king as a superthet and this is obviously he was assassinated in 1968, and we have representative john conyers brings up the idea of the holiday from 1963 to 1983 when it's passed. it's voted down every session.
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sometimes it couldn't even get out of committee. as you say, the muppetization with this false narrative the republican party has been in love with dr. king and they believe in his words. the cherry picking of his legacy will be understood this idea we will never be free until we help emancipate all people in this country, especially black people, but all people living under the thumb of patriarchy, anti-black racism, and capitalism. that's a larger issue that republicans don't want to dress and they're doing their best to try to ignore the real reality of so many writings and teachings and give these quick anecdotes and sentences that fit their agenda. >> you know, it's so interesting, rev, as somebody who yourself was very young when you began, 9, when you began your activism. i think about it today. if dr. king were right now alive and he were the same age he was when he reached the peak of his
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activism or actually when he died, he was 39. that's younger than kobe bryant was when he died. he would have been a millennial if he were alive today at the same age he was doing his activism. this is a very young guy and a young man pushing for progress against the grain of all of american society, that was saying slow down, don't ask for voting rights. don't ask for too much integration. just let things happen quietly. and it's to me ironic that the people who are co-opting his legacy are also doing things like this, they're saying young people like dr. king and younger than him, should not be able to learn about martin luther king jr. in school. they shouldn't be able to learn about rosa parks because in pennsylvania, because they think it would make white children feel uncomfortable or feel sad. right wing groups moms for liberty wants tennessee's critical race theory law to ban a book about dr. king. so you can't quote him and then say you can't learn about him. >> well, one of the reasons they
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don't want them to learn is because many of those that we see in these white supremacist groups are young people. young whites. look at those that are standing on trial for january 6th. a lot of them are young whites. and they will never know the truth of dr. king or the truth of that movement. dr. king was killed before he was 40 years old. malcolm x was killed before he was 40 years old. medgar evers was killed before he was 40 years old. it wasn't just dr. king. it was the appetite of white supremacists in that generation that would kill you or be involved in the conspiracies that led to your death that tried to stop the civil rights movement that again they had tried to kidnap and reinterpret their way, like dr. king was sitting on the side of a mountain just dreaming. he was an activist that transformed this country by transforming it by changing the
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laws. voting rights act of '65. civil rights act of' 64. open housing act of '68. he changed the laws, and they're trying to go back and redo those laws and take them off the books. we that are really in the spirit of dr. king should take the day off, we should take it on to preserve the laws that he put in the books and to add laws that will cement them for all times in terms of this american culture that we live in. >> amen. you know, it's interesting that it's the same -- reagan, this is 12 years after king, you know, was killed. these were the folks standing in favor of the apartheid government in south africa, not against it. in favor of continuing aversion of american apartheid here. there's an attempt, i think, to restore a past that didn't happen. to create a king that didn't exist. in order to justify going back
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to that era because it was more comfortable for some folks in this country. it's quite ironic. >> yeah, i mean, joy, it's really important you mentioned reagan launching his presidential bid in philadelphia, mississippi, the site where three civil rights workers were murdered. we also have to remember, dr. king was assassinated. a lot of republicans like to say he died. he didn't die of old age or cancer. he was assassinated. when we look at the systemic ways so many republicans are trying to roll back the legacy of dr. king, it's beyond frightening because black history is american history. and so if you're trying to deny all school children, not just african american, but if you're trying to deny white children the history of their own nation, they should feel enraged. parents should feel inraged their children don't know the full history of the civil rights movement, they don't know the full narrative of the voting rights act of '65 and the civil rights act of' 64 and the
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immigration act of '65 and how those three are a triumph rnlt of acts and how republicans are trying to destroy all three. if you don't know about black people in this country, you don't know about this country. i have shirley chisholm right behind me. we shouldn't be the only ones who know the greatness of shirley chisholm. white people should feel enraged they weren't taught about shirley chisholm or her presidential run in their own schools. i think going back to rev's point, the fact that so many institutions are trying to take out not just books but even dr. seuss, because young people are putting two and two together and understanding the real history of this nation and their parents are the ones who are afraid, not the kids. >> absolutely. and if you look at the black lives matter movement, i think what alarmed a lot of folks is a lot of people marching out there were a lot of young white people as well. that shook a lot of folks up. thank you, the reverend al sharpton and christina greer, thank you. >> up next on "the reidout," deeper ties than previously known. new reporting on george santos's
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proclivity for lying wasn't a secret to republicans working on his campaign or working to regain the majority in the house. we got interesting reporting about just how much they knew. first, "the new york times" discovered that his campaign conducted their own background check. what they found was so disturbing that they urged him to drop out of the race a year before the election. that internal background check uncovers almost everything we now know, his lies about academic degrees, his involvement in a firm accused of a ponzi scheme, evictions and a marriage that might have been done for getting the brazilian woman citizenship. also, kevin mccarthy who is in charge of a super pac that helps fund house gop candidates was well aware of the fact santos was a phony. sources told the times this person confided in lawmakers, donors, and other associates he was worried information would
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come out exposing mr. santos as a fraud. which speaker mccarthy, who endorsed santos in the republican primary, was asked about and didn't outright deny knowing. >> any indication? >> on which part? >> any of it? the resume, all of the things he said? >> i always had a few questions about it. >> that begs the question, if kevin had questions about it then, why didn't we hear about them? i suspect we know the answer to that, one big question remains largely unanswered. who helped fund santos' successful campaign? last week, mother jones shed some light on that when they reported his sister and his campaign treasurer may have been running a shell game to help fund his campaign. well, today, "the washington post" uncovered another interesting nugget. businessman andrew intrater, cousin to a sanctioned oligarch, gave santos nearly $6,000 and funneled hundreds of thousands
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of dollars into that ponzi scheming company that santos used to work for. santos has denied any wrongdoing while working for that company. intrater is a u.s. citizen. his company has had extensive ties to the business interests of his russian cousin. he also donated heavily to trump's inaugural committee. neither santos or intrater commented. joining me is former adviser to the house january 6th committee, denver riggleman. congressman, it just gets weirder and weirder. and more odd. because this is a guy who, kevin mccarthy, he raised money for him. let me read a little bit from "the new york times." mccarthy ultimately endorsed mr. santos and helped his campaign said relatively little about the fabrications, refused called to oust him from the house, despite the financial resources that he helped marshal in the race, mccarthy had good reason to be wary of santos. one reason he had to be wary is
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one of santos's aides had impersonated one of his aides, yet you have mccarthy's leadership pac giving him $10,000, elise stefanik's aide being aware of his issues but still helping him. why would these folks in leadership on the republican side help someone who there were written reports saying he was a fraud? >> well, hi, joy. i would say this. i think the reason it happened is winning is more important than fact. it's simple. when i was running for office, i remember, i had a district bigger than new jersey and i remember my consultant saying we have to make our message for 21 different counties and two different cities. i remember sometimes they were like, don't say this here, don't say that there. i think that's evolved to let's just outright lie to win because it's more important than being truthful to the american people. i think individuals in say george santos' district, i think that anybody in the district
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should probably be appalled that you have an individual that has this kind of baggage. we should also be appalled that as far as the gop is concerned, they allowed this guy to get through the ranks. because why? winning is more important than the american people. it's a problem i had when i was in office dealing with stuff like that. >> were you aware when you were in office of the extent to which, you know, russian oligarchs, kremlin linked people, that sort of world seems to really have dug in to the republican party in various places? whether it's into the nra, whether it's finding ways to get money into campaigns, whether it's trump. it feels like it's oh, another russia thing. it does seem like there's a focus on the republican party from the kremlin or does that seem coincidental to you? >> it's not coincidental. viktor vekselberg is an equal opportunity influencer. this isn't something that's new. you know, when you see the individuals out there that have
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links to russian cousins or things of that nature, you think his staff would be trying to vet, you know, who was giving his puny. you get a lot of donations, it's hard to track everything, but i have to say, this is probably standing out. it probably stands out. my guess is he probably got a couple calls. there's no way santos didn't know he was getting these type of donations. when you're looking at influence, influence peddling in the capitol is massive. i think right now it's worse than ever before. i think everybody tries to hide it. and i think a lot of these individuals, you look at george santos, making $174,000, joy, he's getting purdiem. getting hotel and meals. he's probably making a little over $200,000 a year, and he got elected because he's so good at lying, he misrepresented everything about himself. again, i think it's absolutely lousy that the american people have to put up with morons like that. >> and he probably feels confident because gerrymandering means you just have to get in once. you only have to win one
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election, and by and large, you come back in regardless of how the voters in your district feel. i want to play this for you. this is actually, we don't really hear santos or whatever his last name is, very much. here he is literally telling a story that isn't true about his supposed volleyball prowess. >> i actually went to school on a volleyball scholarship. >> you did? >> i did, yeah. when i was in baruch, we were the number one volleyball team. >> did you graduate from them? >> i did. look, i sacrificed both my knees and got knee replacements playing volleyball. that's how serious i took the game. >> that's how serious you're taking politics as well. remember this name, george santos. >> denver, okay, this is how good it gets. it appears he stole this story from his former boss who actually did play volleyball on the scholarship at baruch. it's like he just stole his
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life. >> it would be like me saying, guess what, i was a professional volleyball with my 8-inch vertical leap, right? and does that pass any common sense meter at all that george santos is a volleyball player? he might have been the manager. i have seen a lot of volleyball managers. and the fact is, you know, the only thing about baruch that was true is probably how he pronounced it. it's a joke. we have someone like this representing the united states of america, sitting in congressional offices, voting on legislation that lied about playing volleyball. anybody who bought that lie looking at the guy, i think they also have to be called into question at this point. i mean, it's like we're living in -- like i'm taking crazy pills. i don't know what's going on here. >> and he will be one of the votes deciding whether we go over the debt limits. congratulations, america and new york. denver riggleman, thank you very much. happy mlk day. >> still ahead, ever move out of
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for most of our nation's history when a presidency comes to an end, the president's white house departure has been a mundane process. there are bags and boxes to pack, letters to compose, good-byes to white house staff and to the permanent staff of the residence, the people who have looked after you and your family for four or eight years. there's also the matter of sorting out what goes with you to your home, your library, your presidential foundation, and what stays behind. as the property of the american people. that process under president obama and his then-vice president joe biden, is now under scrutiny. but not in the way it would be four years later when trump would leave the white house, only reluctantly, after losing his bid for a second term and only after an attempted coup. it's that seditious exit that makes the difference between the biden paper scandal and the trump catastrophe so glaring. the difference in fact is as stark as the difference between the two men. and biden's case, a handful of documents with classified markings were found at his d.c.
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private office as well as his private home in delaware. and when an aide with the proper clearances did a more thorough search, additional items were found. these items were not even missed by the national archives. in fact, it was the biden team that alerted them they were missing at all. and trump's case, we're talking not only about top secret material including information on the nuclear capability of a still unnamed country, but also a year and a half of obstruction that was so blatant and so aggressive a judge wound up issuing a search warrant for trump's home, which doubles as a paid golf club. this is the difference between misplacing a friend's car keys and stealing their car. the u.s. media may be unable to help themselves for clamoring for a chance to both sides these presidents, which you really can't compare these two cases without considering the plot to overturn the election. joining me is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney and professor at the university of alabama school of law and democratic strategist james carville. james, i want to start with you
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because right now, there are some stories talking about, you know, the annoyance of the president at some sloppiness of aides that did this and annoyance of democrats at the white house because this is happening at all. because there is the sense, and maybe it's a sense of people like myself, that blurring these two stories will blunt the justice department's will when it comes to acting, when it comes to trump. what do you think? >> first of all, i want to congratulate you for pointing out the national press can't help but make fools of themselves. it happened in white water, in the email scandal, and now. i can't stop these people. it's not my anointed job. the white house response should be this and only this. the president is cooperating fully with the special counsel. he expects everyone in his administration to do the same. end of story. no carve-outs, no it was in this box or that box. we're thoroughly doing this.
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the special counsel has an investigation to run. president biden has a country to run. get on with it. you're not going to stop these people from making fools of themselves. you can try, i congratulate you, but i got more experience in this than most people. it's not going to work. no, no, no. >> well, maybe i just have ptsd from her emails. i mean, joyce, it feels like it is -- there's a but her emails quality to this, to me, because the thing is that what you had with trump was so blatant and i can't stress enough, we're talking about withholding classified documents after attempting not to leave office at all. we're talking about somebody who attempted to stay in office and did so with the help of an armed vanguard that busted into the capitol, shat on the floor and beat up police officers leaving five people dead including one among them. i feel like when you look at the context of that, this is somebody who didn't want to leave office and did everything he could and directed his aides
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on things to take. let me play rudy giuliani. this is giuliani saying in the beginning stage of the administration, he told him, take classified documents. take a listen. >> i was vetting other people when he first became president, and the tax returns, he had very rich people and they had very big tax returns. i didn't take -- listen to this, this is my training on top secret. i didn't take them out of mar-a-lago. he told me, take them home with you. not going to take wilbur ross' tax areturns home with me. i could replace them. >> you can say whatever you want about joe biden, i highly doubt he has that attitude toward classifieddulates. in your mind, do you discern a difference in these two cases? >> i think there's obviously a big difference. and as you point out, joy, it emanates from the different approaches these two men have for governing. one has enormous respect for the constitution and the rule of
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law. the other one doesn't. in terms of the two cases, they each get judged on their facts. and again, i think you're correct to point out that there's some fine line subtleties here, and republicans have certainly tried to make the two cases comparable in a way that might blunt their impact. but when prosecutors look at these cases and these are career prosecutors, we have on the one hand in the biden case, a trump appointed republican united states attorney from maryland. ironically, in the case of the trump investigation, we also have someone who served as an acting u.s. attorney for part of the trump administration. so there are reasons to have confidence, i guess, in both cases if you're a republican, and the integrity of those investigations. and the stand-out difference is a trajectory of obstruction of justice. trump even went so far in court pleadings in the 11th circuit to claim that the documents in his
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possession were his, that they were his personal items that he was entitled to keep them. and that's a sharp contrast to joe biden. we may ultimately learn there was sloppiness, there may even be more documents that turn up in the course of the investigation. what's absent is a willful intent to retain those documents illegally. that's what the dividing line between prosecution and no prosecution, that's where that line is. >> you know, james, and i totally agree with that and totally understand that. joyce is so great at explaining these things and talking me down. i remember that same set of facts being true for hillary clinton and the attitude was, this is a chance to get her, and what at least it felt like to me was that james comey buckled to that pressure and 11 days out from an election and three days out from an election, felt like he needed to act in a way that ultimately was political. this is james comer and he's the chairman of the oversight committee. let me let you listen to what
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he's said about his. >> we don't know exactly what trump has versus what biden has. at the end of the day, my biggest concern isn't the classified documents to be honest with you. my concern is how there's such a discrepancy in how former president trump was treated. >> we do know what trump has. we know a lot of what trump has. we do not know what biden has. at least he's being honest. his concern is there's a discrepancy in how former president trump was treated. this is all about revenge for the search of mar-a-lago, the end. >> i'm hardly joyce vance, i actually graduated from law school, but don't know much about it. there's an intent between absent mindedness and criminality. they're not two equal things. you know, intentionally doing something. i go back to what you said. all of the email and "the new york times" going nuts, there
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was not one single classified thing on secretary clinton's email, zero, none. you have to under that. white water, we said it lost $47,000, i think it was $48,200. that was it. and yet they're going to do the same thing over and over again, and democrats just need to say, we'll cooperate fully, and look, everybody has a right to the fifth amendment. you don't have the right to work in this administration and take the fifth amendment. we want to get this thing done. we want to help this guy here because we know at the end of the day, there's nothing here. >> yeah, because at the end of the day, we could do a whole media segment on the idea of trying to be really aggressive when it's a democrat to balance out what people feel, maybe it's unfair. no, donald trump really did the things. that's why we do these stories. anyway, joyce and james, thank you very much. up next, how martin luther king jr.'s goal of unfettered access to the ballot box remains unrealized. we're back in a second.
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quote, i will not yield. 365 days later, none of the sweeping voting rights measures the president championed were able to garner the necessary 60 votes to pass the senate. and now, with the new republican house majority, the odds of getting anything through are even slimmer. the president addressed these ongoing challenges in a sermon at ebenezer baptist church yesterday. this time, taking a more subdued approach. >> this inflection point, we know there's a lot of work that has to continue on economic justice, civil rights, voting rights, protecting our democracy. i get accused of being an inveterate optimist. i call that the irish of it. we're never on top, always stepped on, but we're optimistic. like dr. king was optimistic.
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folks, as i said, progress is never easy. but redeeming the soul of the country is absolutely essential. >> joining me now is latosha brown, cofounder of black voters matter, and gary chambers, civil rights activist who was the democratic senate nominee in louisiana last year. thank you both for being here. i want to start with you, my friend. you were in the church at ebenezer baptist when the president delivered those remarks. i wonder what the feeling was when you talked to folks afterwards and your own feeling about, you know, this president's sincerity and how hard he's willing to work to get voting rights passed and whether he thinks it's even possible now. >> yeah, i think it's really interesting. i
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around making sure that we have adequate access to the ballot. and, so we are coming face to face with the hypocrisy of this nation. we're coming face to face where we can blame a political party, political activists, but the truth of the matter is that if bowing allows us to, happen but the people have to demand, and we have to organize and really
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be relentless and demand that we have voting rights in this. >> it is so true. gary chambers this is one of the reasons i wanted to have you on with a tasha. i watched your campaign, and was amazed by your tenacity, and trying to urge black voters in louisiana, which is one of the largest black populations in the country, and in the south. you put up this video on your instagram, talking about the 10% of the 900,000 some odd eligible voters who came out and i. no you talked to a lot of people, and traveled your state. what do you think was behind that? and, how do you think we can change it? >> well, thank you for having me joy and let tasha, i am praying with you still. for, us it's really just a deep understanding of where we are, for the people in investment that was happening in our state. louisiana is the second black
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estate in america, we have over 900,000 registered black voters, 1.2 million eligible black voters. but the democratic -- the state party here is led by someone who does not believe a black went man can win statewide. and until we get fundamentally down to the level of understanding what it takes for candidates to be successful across the deep south, we are not gonna give president biden, or any democrat president, the margins are number they need in the congress as well as in the senate, to be able to pass meaningful legislation, we've got to be able to look at the deep south, and see that is center ground for the democratic party, to expand its base. we got to be able to talk to people, not just an election years. i'm launching a new effort this year to talk about some of the can gauge, meant for the, people so we can go out and literally just educate people. latosha understands this, so many black people are disengaged with politics, because there is not a basic fundamental understanding of what are these people doing. we see it on tv, and your, way
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you do a beautiful job of articulating the details. but there is a deeper dive for many people, just a fundamentally understand what it is, when we're asking them to get to the ballot box to go vote. >> absolutely, a man, this is your life's work law. one of the things i love about what you're doing, is you don't like over the south, and that you are constantly talking about the potential and power of the southern black vote. so, talk about reengaging that. that is where the civil rights battles won, and yet it does seem like sometimes the democrats move to pass the south and say that's not a region where we can win, and so we're not gonna organized there. >> i will say that, until the south is shifted, into we literally -- we have to recognize that the roots of racism have very themselves -- if you go back and read about the southern strategy, and you look at what's happening right now play-by-play that's what we
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need and what we've been saying those of us who have been working in the south you can't afford to right up in georgia or alabama or mississippi. those are states that you often, white nationalist -- that's actually where they built their base. >> but that when donald trump launched his campaign, it was mobile alabama. -- they can actually create white fear, the can actually be able to send those dog whistles out, and able to make a campaign based on fear in the consolidation of white power. so, what we have to recognize is that if we want to make we deserve, we're going have to step up and do the work, because day today's doctor king's day, and we have to have a real honest reflection and, assessment of how we are actually fighting for democracy, and standing in the space, not leaving that to activists, but
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the corporate sector in america, literally has the step up and do the work. >> look tasha, brown for whom we all love, and the great gary chambers. keep at it, it's good to be in your state sir, thank you both, we'll be right back. be right back. diabetes means i'm also a target. we are targets too. millions have chronic kidney disease and 90% don't know they have it. so ask for your kidney numbers and farxiga. ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ if you have chronic kidney disease, farxiga reduces the risk of kidney failure, which can lead to dialysis. farxiga can cause serious side effects including dehydration, urinary tract or genital yeast infections in women and men, and low blood sugar. ketoacidosis is a serious side effect that may lead to death. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away
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