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lawrence o'donnell, good evening lawrence. part we've heard many speeches on this day are, luther king's birthday over the, years since this assassination. i heard one today for the first time, that was delivered in 1983. and it is just the most extraordinary 16 minutes long, we're gonna show some of it later in this hour the most extraordinary speech about martin luther king, i've ever heard, it was delivered by then funniest man in the world,
richard pryor. in washington d. c.. and thanks to c-span, which is something we say all the time, thanks to c-span, it is been preserved, and we must show some of it later, it's like nothing you've ever seen on this day, i have no memory of it, i don't member seeing it, know remember hearing about it. it wasn't in a news cycle that day, that's for sure. >> that is fantastic i did not know this existed. not only have not heard it before, they know existed till he turned 20 better right now, i can't wait to see it. >> well later in the hour. thank you rachel. a perfect fit, that's what george santos was called by the man who hired him, to work at a business that was on its way to being shut down, and accused by the security exchange commission of being a classic ponzi scheme, which is to, say a criminal enterprise. the sec is now accusing that
florida, business -- when the person we now know, as republican congressman george santos, was hired by that accused classic ponzi scheme, he had a different name. he was hired, at that business, under the name george to holder, for republican speaker the house kevin mccarthy, who needs every republican vote he can get in the house, george santos, or whatever his name is, it is a perfect fit for that republican house of representatives. here is what kevin mccarthy said today. >> when were you first made aware of these allegations around santos. we given any indication that there would be something amiss there? >> i don't know about is raspberry, not but outside a few questions about it. >> but about that but about them pretend to be your chief santos, or whatever his name is, it is a perfect fit for that republican house of representatives. here is what kevin mccarthy said today. >> when were you first made aware of these allegations around santos. we given any indication that there would be something amiss there?
>> i don't know about is raspberry, not but outside a few questions about it. >> but about that but about them pretend to be your chief of staff. >> i don't know about, that it happened, and they corrected, but i was not notified about that until later in the day. >> did you speak them about it at all? >> now, i don't know about it until a later date. . >> >> every day, the leader of the santos party in the house of representatives, should be facing questions like that,, every day. the washington post is reporting that the hand of the capital, jp maroney, who hired george to folder, now, known as george santos, is accused of using four point $5 million, investor money, for his own personal use, including to by mercedes-benz, and near cape canaveral florida. the home six bedroom a bathroom 13,000 square foot mansion, was a location for a fall 2020 fund-raiser, purporting to benefit president donald trump's reelection campaign, according to planning document obtained by the in the post. were listed on the planning document as contacts for the
fund-raiser, photos show them maroney was present, the event featured interference by donald trump jr., and his fiancée kimberly guilfoyle. the washington post reports, that what happened to some of the people working at that business, after it was shut down. after harbor city shut, down and with assistance from a fellow former harvard city employee, sentenced in 2020 14 in the company, the doubled or organization. that paid him at least three point $5 million over next two years. -- of a public facing pro val, for divulge, or any record of business activities. santos loaned his campaign more than $700, 000, but did not report any income, from harbor city despite having been paid by the company in 2021. . describing some of his experience doing business in russia. >> you shop with hundred dollars, and you get 6000 rooms, and you can do a lot with 6000 -- have been to moscow many times during my career, you stay at the st. readers on the red square, right off the red square next to the gun museum, because most expensive shopping mall in the world.
>> the new york daily news is reporting tonight, a russian connection with the church santos, with the controversial congressman george santos, who reportedly scored big box donations from new york real estate camping, there is a cousin of a russian oligarch, and was once accused of being a go between, in the stormy data no such money deal. the nearly daily news points to contributions, alyssa noted by the washington post from andrew and trump, who the daily news reports is a cousin in close business associate of russian oil billionaire, dr. vehicles are a crony of strongman vladimir putin, who's been sanctioned by the u. s. government. in trotter, an american, citizen also had major business ties to michael cohen, -- now made several payments in 2017, to ascend that account that cohen used to pay daniels on trust behalf.
joining us now is isaac stanley becker, political investigations reporter for the washington post, and a reporter on this story. and so many questions i have about what we know and don't know, do we know what his name is? is it george santos, or georgia boulder? >> certainly gone by a number of different, names and it fits with the mystery surrounding his background, and his biography. we know that of is his ex family, name santos is a name that he began using when he got into politics. and some of the video footage we obtained for the story, he's describing to his colleagues about how he likes to use devolved or for, business and sandals from politics.
part of his efforts to give these two distinct, obviously ended up not being successful in keeping these two areas, if his life is a separate. >> another things income, we haven't seen any tax of friends from george santos. oh you know his income is what he is fifth on, matt wright? mr. >> we have a lot of questions about how we went from reporting an income of $55,000, in 20, 20 when he was first candidate, to multi billions of dollars in 2022, and in a position to lone his campaign whether $700,000. -- it helps philonise and details, and is otherwise largely professional void for congressman santas. >> think about the $700,000. matt -- the candidate himself and herself, the audience should know, but no one else can i can
give a campaign $700,000. it's either $700,000 is more important as we focus, because of that's not really his money that's going in there, then we have a serious campaign finance violation that is a crime. >> this is really, key and we've already seen complaints from watchdog groups before the general election alleging that this is not an illegitimate alone, from a candidate to his own campaign, rather it's a form of donor scheme, masking many other people or entities, corporations, that may have contributed to his campaign. now have >> as a stanley-becker, washington post, thanks so much for starting our conversations tonight. really appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> and joining us now is peter strzok, the former deputy of the fbi's counter intelligence division, he's now an adjunct professor at georgetown university school of foreign service.
peter, we need you tonight, because we need somebody to pull these threads together. so you've got a russian oligarch, you've got stormy daniels, we've got $700, 000, you've got a guy who changes name depending on where he's working, or who is talking to. what do you see in all of this? how >> well lawrence, that's a great question. one, assuming we can believe half of what is coming out of his mouth, i think it's important we've heard about the federal, state, and local clump criminal investigations that are allegedly ongoing. -- now that's important to step back and look at this from a national security perspective, you mentioned during that quote that santos mentioned having gone to moscow many times in his career. now there's nothing particularly unusual about that many people driving to moscow, when you start adding all these things together, starts presenting a very concerning picture. and in the fact that he has all
this massive amount of unexplained wealth, that is now increasing contact with, someone who's willing to the sanction russian oligarch. couple that with statements made by the ukraine where is it to tell it aryan regime, repression whether not the united states should be supporting ukraine. when you start looking at all these savings in the totality, again, i'm not suggesting he daniels, we've got $700, 000, you've got a guy who changes name depending on where he's working, or who is talking to. what do you see in all of this? how >> well lawrence, that's a great question. one, assuming we can believe half of what is coming out of his mouth, i think it's important we've heard about the federal, state, and local clump criminal investigations that are allegedly ongoing. -- now that's important to step back and look at this from a national security perspective, you mentioned during that quote that santos mentioned having gone to moscow many times in his career. now there's nothing
particularly unusual about that many people driving to moscow, when you start adding all these things together, starts presenting a very concerning picture. and in the fact that he has all this massive amount of unexplained wealth, that is now increasing contact with, someone who's willing to the sanction russian oligarch. couple that with statements made by the ukraine where is it to tell it aryan regime, repression whether not the united states should be supporting ukraine. when you start looking at all these savings in the totality, again, i'm not suggesting he is manchurian candidate, a secret
russian planned, but it is concerning when you start now -- what is those getting through double round, that it's the context of a lot of money. >> that's why the $700,000 is so key, because as you say, he can as an individual candidate, let me campaign as much as he wants. but if he doesn't have $700, 000, and he's trying to match where that $700,000 came from. putin plays where it is illegal for come from an end to a campaign, is from foreign nationals. is from people who are not citizens of the i-states of america. people who live in russia or elsewhere, they are not allowed to contribute a penny further trying to get money into that campaign for whatever reason. masking, a massive loan by george santos is one way to do it. and let's just stress, in a congressional election, where there is very little television
advertising, $700,000 is a massive amount of money in a congressional election. >> that's absolutely right, you think about our founding fathers, it was her concerns about boarded floods are elections. this is something that's been with the united states since day one. the individuals all around the world, who look for opportunities to try to find candidates, where they can give money illicitly, and try to buy influence, and use that when they are in office three achieve goals that that foreign nation. once known the case of russia, very clearly they have a strong interest in what the united states is going to do with regard to ukraine. whether the united states is gonna continue funding and providing military aid ukraine,. we. >> i have been primary zeke hitting the, that is fine congressman who desperately, money to have a favor or look at around. >> heavy like this from investigators standpoint, what do you look at as the primary investigative angle here. >> following the money. absolutely, in a case like, this you want to go and forgot where those donations came from. they've ever given either i. -- as you pointed, out it is in $100, $500,000 here, with a huge number of high, but he's dead enough the vacancy glow. have fda will take a look at, that. >> it is, don't thank you very
much for joining us. >> the reverend had to lock my luther king junior would be 94 years old today,. -- the latest terrorist attack in ukraine this weekend, in which a pregnant woman and her husband were murdered together. why vladimir putin, along with others. dr. king became increase in that spoke, and about morality based foreign policy towards the end of his life. former ambassador to russia, mike would fall joins us next. all of our problems will be solved if the war on vietnam's ended. but i do say, that the war makes it infinitely more difficult to deal with these problems, when a nation becomes obsessed with the guns of war.
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person. that is what ukraine's president, volodymyr zelenskyy said, about the victims of vladimir putin's latest terrorist attack. rescue operations are ongoing in the ukraine, city of dnipro, i have to hit russian missile, strike on a nine story apartment building, early saturday morning. dozens have already been pulled from the wreckage including one woman whose screams were overheard by rescue workers, as they observed a moment of silence for the victims. officials said today that 40
people were killed in this terrorist attack, with more than 30 people still missing, and dozens more wounded. one of the victims was 15 year old maria, who is described as, quote supersmart, super talented, and super funny. according to a message from her sister,. 17 year old maxim, and parents of two children, ages nine and 14. -- [speaking non-english] as the one year mark of the russian invasion approaches, vladimir putin's terrorist attempt to take over ukraine, has been a catastrophe for russia, according to the new york times. russian invasion plans, obtained by the new york times show that the military is expected to's sprint miles across ukraine officers were told to pack their dress uniforms and medals in military praise in the ukrainian capital of kyiv. they said that resounding victory with tens of thousands
of his troops killed, and parts of his army in shambles after nearly ten months of war putin faces something else entirely, his nation's greatest human and strategic calamity, since the collapse of the soviet union. joining us now is michael mcfaul, they served as the american ambassador to russia from 2012 to 2014, he was an msnbc international affairs analyst, and ambassador mcfaul vladimir putin follows terrorism with more terrorism. here is a nine floor apartment building. this is very clearly not a military target, the only thing he can do, the only lives he can destroy in their. are human beings who are not part of this act of war. including, and one account at, red one of a pregnant woman whose body was found, wrapped inside her husband, who is wrapped around her, to try to protect her, and they were
crushed in this. there is no apparent limit to this kind of terrorism. -- through the rubble, to listen to president zelenskyy. when i see that photo, it reminds me of september 11th. when we are attacked by terrorists, and we should call this terrorism. the united states of america, president biden in the u.s. congress, should call this and designate the russian federation, a state sponsor of terrorism. and not a lawyer, but i don't understand why that we don't take that step, and when you see these images today, remember a country like cuba is on our list as a state sponsor of terrorism. tell me that cuba is doing more terrorism today than russia, and if you can't, if you can't make that argument. , then we need to take that step now. >> president zelenskyy comes out after events like this, and says we're fighting for every person.
so far, there's not a note of dissent in any way about his approach to how he is handling this. we're seeing a unity here, that really is powerful to see. >> you're absolutely right, lawrence, had there not been these terrorist attacks, and remember, putin has to resort to terrorism, because he's losing on the battlefield, as you just discussed. so this is a second option, but had there not been this terrorism, that might have been a way that president zelenskyy could sit down with putin, and do some compromise deal. but i can tell, you i speak to senior ukrainian officials, often including president zelenskyy from time to time,
and because of this kind of terrorism, there is no way that they can compromise with putin, until they have liberated all of their territory, including crimea, that is their ambition, and then the entire country is behind them, precisely because putin, has used these barbaric methods to fight this war. >> and didn't putin believe that this kind of terrorism, and barbarism would force zelenskyy to come to some kind of settlement, because the people of ukraine would not be willing to endure this kind of savagely. >> that's right, that was his calculation, and it was just a bad as bad a calculation, as the one they predicted he would take even three days. it is just as bad as the idea that he would liberate russia -- liberate ukraine, denazifying ukraine, demilitarize it in a matter of weeks. he has grossly miscalculated, time and time again, and deeply underestimated the will of the ukrainian people. to fight until all of their territories liberated. i don't see how that changes i just can't understand the circumstances under which that changes, whether it's months or years whether we are supporting them or not. >> and didn't putin believe that this kind of terrorism, and barbarism would force zelenskyy to come to some kind
of settlement, because the people of ukraine would not be willing to endure this kind of savagely. >> that's right, that was his calculation, and it was just a bad as bad a calculation, as the one they predicted he would take even three days. it is just as bad as the idea that he would liberate russia -- liberate ukraine, denazifying ukraine, demilitarize it in a matter of weeks. he has grossly miscalculated, time and time again, and deeply underestimated the will of the ukrainian people. to fight until all of their territories liberated. i don't see how that changes i just can't understand the circumstances under which that changes, whether it's months or years whether we are supporting them or not. my prediction is that ukrainians will continue to fight russian occupation until it is no more.
>> former ambassador michael mcfaul thank you very much for joining us once again, always appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> thank you. coming up, in 1967, -- got up to one of the last television interviews with the reverend martin luther king junior, that is next. neuriva plus is a multitasker supporting 6 key indicators of brain health. to help keep me sharp. neuriva: think bigger. when moderate to severe ulcerative colitis persists... put it in check with rinvoq, a once-daily pill. when uc got unpredictable,... i got rapid symptom relief with rinvoq. check. when uc held me back... i got lasting, steroid-free remission with rinvoq. check. and when uc got the upper hand... rinvoq helped visibly repair the colon lining. check. rapid symptom relief. lasting, steroid-free remission. and a chance to visibly repair the colon lining. check. check. and check. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections,
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people like president kennedy and dr. king because they were respected. -- he interviewed ticking at his church in atlanta, in 1967. >> we were slaves in this country for 244 years. that was -- traded in human fashion, and this came out on the black man. he was not looked upon as a person, wasn't looked upon as a human being with the same status and worth as other human beings. and the other thing is that human beings cannot continue to go on without eventually rationalizing that wrong. and so slavery was justified, morally by elliott -- theoretically, scientifically,
everything else. it seems to me that white america must see that no other ethnic group has been a slave on american soil. that's one thing that other groups haven't had to face. the other thing is that the color became a stigma. american society made the black man color a stigma. that can never be overlooked and so i think that these things absolutely are necessary. americans freed the slaves in 1860 through the emancipation proclamation of abraham lincoln. they gave the slaves no land, and nothing in reality, as a matter of fact in order to get started on it, the same time america was giving away millions of acres of land in the west and midwest, which meant that that was a
willingness to give the white peasants from europe and economic base. and yet they refused to give its black peasants from africa who came here in voluntarily in chains, and had worked for 244 years, in an economic base. emancipation for the black man was really freedom, freedom to the winds and rains, freedom without food to eat and a land to cultivate, and therefore it was freedom and famine at the same time. when white americans tell the black man to lift himself up by his own stripes, they do not look over the legacy of slaves and slag nation. we can do everything we can to lift ourselves up by our own boot straps, but it's cool to say to a buddhist man to pull him up by his own food straps. thousands of black men have
been left boot-less as a result of all of these years of depression, and as a result of the society they delivered and made its color a stigma, and something worthless and degrading. >> by 1967, martin luther king was delivering a message to a younger audience who had not been old enough to join his protests against segregation in the south, in 19 50s and early 1960s. >> jimmy baldwin said on one occasion, what advantages are there in being integrated into the house? i feel that there is a need for a revolution of values in america. some of the values that presently include this, are certainly out of line with the values and idealistic structures that brought on our nation into being. unfortunately, we have not been true to these ideals. many of the values of so-called
white middle class society or values that need to be reviewed, and reevaluated, and in a real sense, they need to be changed. young people in the black community who are raising these questions are raising some very profound questions about our total society. in other words, they're saying that there must be a restructuring of the architecture our society. we're values are concerned, and with this, i would agree with. of course for integration, i think that we can all find our whole nation something, because there are three evils in our nation, not only racism. the economic exploitation of poverty would be one. and then militarism. i think that in a sense, and in a very real sense, these three are tied inextricably together, you cannot get rid of one without the other. >> militarism, martin luther king knew that opposing the vietnam war would make it much more difficult for him to get
president lyndon johnson's cooperation and support for any more legislation. when he became the most eloquent anti war protester in america. >> he stood at the lincoln memorial that day in august of 63, and you said that i had a dream. did that dream envision, then you could see a war in asia? preventing for the black society, is that what you think had to be done? >> no, i did not imagine that. i must confess that that period was a great period of hope for me. i'm sure that many others all across the nation, the black man who had about lost hope. they saw a solid decade of progress, in the south. and in 1954, which was --
i mean 64, 1963, nine years after the supreme court's decision to be in the march on washington, it meant a great deal, it was a great watershed moment. i must confess that dream that i had that day has turned into a nightmare. i am not one to lose hope. i keep on hoping, i still have faith in the future. i've had to analyze many things over the past few years, and i would say that over the last few months, i have gone through a lot of soul searching. and agonized moments, and i have come to see that we have many more difficulties, and some of the old optimism was a little superficial. now it must be tempered with
solid real-ism. i think that the realistic fact is that we still have a long way to go, and we are involved in a war on asian soil, which if not checked and stopped, can poison the very soul of our nation. >> the most striking speech about martin luther king that i have ever heard was delivered in washington in 1983. i just heard it today. for the first time, as i was telling rachel at the beginning of this hour. after this break, you will hear some of that speech delivered in washington on martin luther king's birthday in 1983. comedian richard pryor. innovates daily
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to deliver a sunday sermon at ebenezer baptist church yesterday. >> progress is never easy, but it is always possible. things do get better, and we marched towards a more perfect union. at this inflection point, we know that there is a lot of work that has to continue for economic justice, civil rights, voting rights, and protecting our democracy. i am remembering that our job is to redeem the soul of america. >> the last speech coming from dr. king, you will hear it tonight in this hour. it's from a 16-minute speech
delivered in washington by martin luther king on his birthday in 1983 -- before this day became a national holiday. this was a speech that i have never seen or heard before today. it's a speech that would probably be lost to history, where it not for the divine intervention of c-span cameras that once again captured something unique. the man who stepped up to the microphone on that somber day in washington 15 years after martin luther king's assassination had never been near a microphone without getting a laugh. the funniest man in the world, he talked about martin luther king that day in a way that we had never heard him talk about
anything. richard pryor was then, and remains our greatest comedian. he ignored his written speech that day, and got one small laugh at the beginning when he made a quick joke about himself. then, speaking to an audience of heroes who had joined martin luther king in the civil rights protests, and paid the plight price for it, being beaten by police and arrested, and worse, richard pryor stood in awe of those heroes and martin luther king, and said this. >> i never rode on a bus in my life until the abuse that some of you out there took. i was flying on a plane here from california. i was reading a book about dr. king. there were pictures in the book, and it brought back memories of that time for me. i was too frightened to go down to municipally, alabama, georgia, i was too scared to sit in the church at night and planned meetings. i was too frightened to be a
part of that, but if it wasn't for you people who were down there and did that, believe me i know in my heart that i would not be here today. [applause] >> joining us now is democratic congresswoman of georgia, the chairwoman of the georgia democratic party. thank you very much for joining us tonight. i've been to atlanta a lot, but i've never been to atlanta on martin luther king day. i suspect that this guy in atlanta has stronger feelings than it might have in other places around the country. >> lawrence, thank you for sharing that with me tonight. i've never heard that spy speech either. and also the segment before with the color interview with dr. king, i was just looking at a tweet from his youngest
daughter today where she tweeted a color picture of her father and herself. it is does color pictures that remind us how closely we are linked to dr. king's legacy. while i wasn't alive in doctor king's lifetime, i was the beneficiary of his legacy, and the work that he did. i was listening to richard pryor, and he was saying how he did not have to go through what so many of the leaders went through, but he knows it he would not be where he is today. lawrence, i sit here in a seat
that was once held by the late congressman john lewis in atlanta, in a cradle of the civil rights movement. i sat in the ebenezer baptist church today, and i listen to doctor king's youngest daughter, bernie's king. how she talked about their history, and the legacy of her father, and how so many leaders in this country will quote a tweet today and remember dr. king on the third monday in january, but the policies that we are enacting in this country could not be more incongruent with the legacy of dr. king, and how much more work we still have to do. today is always the day, since i was a little girl, growing up in alabama and i would watch the shows on tv, and it has a different meaning now, teaching this history to my seven-year-old son and sitting here and living in this space knowing that i not only have the obligation to continue to tell the stories to my son so that he understands, but the policies that i know that we have to continue to work on as the leader in this country. we are still fighting, atlanta
has the largest wealth gap in the country. these are things that dr. king caught fought for, and what doctor bernie's king was telling us today. we have to get away from the -- how do we get out of this convenient space of what feels good, and doing the work of the people, and the work that is not always comfortable, but it's necessary to truly uplift dr. king legacy. >> congresswoman, thank you very much for joining us on this important night. >> thank you, lawrence. >> tonight's last word, is next. and ask your doctor about biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in certain adults. it's not a cure, but with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to and stay undetectable. that's when the amount of virus is so low it cannot be measured by a lab test. research shows people who take h-i-v treatment every day and get to and stay undetectable can no longer transmit h-i-v through sex. serious side effects can occur,
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we are in a new era of the struggle where we have moved from a struggle for decency, which characterizes our struggle for 10 to 12 years, and a struggle for genuine equality. >> no to viewers who are following on twitter, i just tweeted the full 16-minute speech by richard pryor about martin luther king, we just heard some excerpts of it moments ago. the full 15 minutes i put out on twitter. tomorrow night at 10 pm eastern, msnbc will present a national day of racial -- and live from new orleans with chris hayes, and jermaine lee. he joins us now from new orleans. jermaine, what are you expecting to cover tomorrow night? >> lawrence, thank you so much for having me. listening to your segment earlier about the legacy of dr. king, and the unfinished work revealing our shoulders. tomorrow will be a great moment for us, just seeing him, honest dialogue in coming together in good faith.
recognize what has been done. here in new orleans, there are the scars that healed over -- in the neighborhood, i spent time talking with folks who are wrestling to do -- they have been torn up. they've been dividing. this interstate is slab, the folks call it a monstrosity. it's been a symbol of racism that has undermined the health and well-being, and vibrance of that community. it is so fitting that the day after celebrating dr. king's legacy, the next day you grapple with the unfinished work. so tomorrow, i have a lot of great and important conversations, from folks that are operating in good faith to help so many of us heal. not just those that have been victimized by racism and violence in this country, but
also those that have benefited from it and subway. good faith, folks coming together, we're not under any -- but it is a great opportunity for us living in that legacy of dr. king and so many other people who wanted to push america forward to be the best we could possibly be. folks can expect some of that tomorrow. >> how does the history of new orleans help contribute to the subject to more night? >> part of it is framing what has been lost. the healing from something, new orleans has given us everything we love about new orleans. when you think about the only true american art form, jazz music, from new orleans.