apart, and so he could become part of the basically back of the crowd which he is talking about. he is certainly not off to a good start here. it's been the most -- political campaign i've ever seen. >> that is such a smart point, that the front runner, the person who is standing in the way, and diluting the vote is not clear until you actually start to get into it. david plouffe, thank you very much. that is all in on this wednesday night. alex wagner's tonight starts right now. good evening, alex. ght now. >> good evening. [laughter] >> i used to do that a lot with rachel, i would say that sometimes. i don't know what that says about us, my friend. i would just say that a lot is unknown about what is happening in that republican field, a lot is unknown. >> always good to see you, my friend. thanks to you for joining us this evening. on april 3rd, in 1968, the

mason temple in memphis was hacked. memphis was a city in mourning, grappling with unrest over the deaths of two black employees of a memphis department of public work. employees that were crushed to death while taking cover from severe weather. today marks the 55th anniversary of their deaths. today, under the slogan i am a man, more than 1000 black appointees were on strike, and tensions were rising. despite a bad thunderstorm that april 9th, the room was filled. there was one man that the crowd wanted to hear from. martin luther king junior, who visited memphis twice before. he was trying to help the black workers get a living wage, and decent working conditions. that night, he was back. he was delivering what would be his final speech, the night before he was assassinated. dr. king began his famous mountaintop speech by saying

that something is happening in memphis, something is happening in our world. >> we have been forced to a point where we are going to have to struggle. the problems that men have been trying to grapple with through history. the demands that they have forced them. survival, demands that we grapple with them. the human rights revolution. is something getting done? to bring the colored people from the world out of their long years of poverty. the long years of neglect, the whole world is doomed. >> today in memphis, 100 people

gathered at mississippi boulevard christian church, just a few miles from the historic bishop charles nation base and temple, where king delivered that final speech. the room, again, it was packed. the city was again in mourning. this time, over the death of 29 year old tyre nichols, a black man whose family calls him a beautiful soul, who died last month from injuries three days after five black memphis police officers brutally beat him. nichols family and friends, mothers of other black people slain by police, government officials across the country, even vice president kamala harris. they were all there today for tyre nichols funeral. like that night in april, 1968, when there was a thunderstorm, nichols loved ones and supporters braved an ice storm today in order to gather in that church and honor his life, and to declare, as they did in a press conference last night, in the spirit of that strike in memphis, april of 1968, they declared i am a man.

it is a simple declaration that this victim, killed by a system of oppression was a man. he was a person, just like everybody else. the system that killed him must change. reverend al sharpton, founder of the national action network, delivered the eulogy today. it began with a reference to dr. king in memphis, those 55 years ago. >> in the city that -- what has happened to the dream? >> throughout his eulogy, he recalled history, black civil rights history, in order to make sense of why the crowd was gathered in memphis today. why was tyre nichols dead? why have his parents lost their son, who loved sunsets and photography, and skateboarding. most of, all his mother. why was tyre nichols sun no longer has a father. why, despite this tragedy, have entire communities, whole cities continued to live in

fear that this will happen again to somebody else? sharpton called on the mothers of breonna taylor and eric garner, two other black people killed by police officers. they were there to pay respects, and to support tyre nichols family. to understand this pattern, why it exists, and what it might take to break it, reverend sharpton drew on memories of the past. >> we are not asking for anything special. we are asking to be treated equally. and to be treated fairly, and just like they marched, and boycotted, and went to jail, for nine years, from the 55 montgomery bus boycott, to the 64 civil rights act, we are going to pay the same dues to get this george floyd justice and policing act. no matter how long, i don't

know how long. they didn't know how long it would be when they boycotted it in the 50s. it is not about a timetable. it is about we cannot continue to live under these double standards, and under these conditions. >> those references to the bus boycott against segregation, which proceeded the 1964 civil rights act, along discrimination and public space, that is reference to hard-line civil rights victories. they were meant to solve systemic problems in the american social fabric. those are ones that specifically disenfranchised black people. reverend sharpton, nichols family, and the attorneys have reminded us over the past month, that america has a policing problem. in our police departments, something is broken. in memphis alone, where black people make up 65% of the city's population, they make up 86% of police use of force cases. they are overrepresented among these victims by a lot. to many people that would

indicate a flaw in the system of policing. that is why today, as they stood in front of tyre nichols casket, kamala harris, alice sharpton, ben crump, and his own mother reiterated that the thing that needs to change, the civil rights victory that needs to be one now, is policing reform. >> i just need whatever that george floyd bill, we need it passed. we need to take advantage. there should be no other child that should suffer the way that my son, and all of the other parents here have lost their children. we need to get that bill passed. if we don't, that blood of the next child that dies, that blood is going to be on their hands. >> to pass the george floyd justice and policing bill, or even to decide on what is going

to be in that final bill, requires a comprehensive understanding of the injustices that are written in the rules. the oppression that has been a feature of the systems, and needs to be combatted. it requires knowledge of the history that is present in all of these moments. the man of -- the moments of 1960, eight end of 2023. the history behind the slaughter of george floyd and breonna taylor, and laquan mcdonald, and tyre nichols. knowledge and understanding of this system operating here is necessary to begin to fix this. and yes, at this very moment, this country and local leaders in this country, they are leading an effort to systemically whitewash the sins of the past, to undermine the honest conversations and classroom debates, to censor the lessons and literature that grapple with the very issues that are central to these killings. under those conditions, how do we ever repair this parts of our system that ensures inequality and produced constant cycles of death and grief?

how do we begin to stop this? joining us now is reverend al sharpton, who delivered the eulogy at tyre nichols funeral today. he is also the president of the national action network, and host of politicsnation right here on msnbc. we also have the great myles riley, civil rights attorney and president and ceo of the leadership conference on civil and human rights. reverend, miss wiley, thank you for both being here today. i'm sorry that our reunion has to happen under the circumstances, and reverend, we are also deeply grateful for everything that we did, not just for the nichols family, but for the country today. and somehow bending time and space to come back up to new york to do this show. what was it like in that room today? >> where there was clearly a lot of grief, but also anger. there is also a determination that we have to stop this. the way to stop this is by having federal law. i grew up in the northern part, which is after doctor king was killed. jesse jackson, who mentored me,

and others. reverend william jones taught me to continue change in legislation, and to make it law that you cannot really effectively change peoples hearts. i think that we keep asking for policeman and others to redeem themselves. until they know that there is going to be accountability and change law, like i was taught. you are not going to stop this. they need to have qualified immunity off of the table. police feel that nothing is going to happen. if you had qualified immunity off the table, which is one of the key components of the george floyd justice and policing act, policemen can leave the home in the morning, and their wives say you'd be careful, we could lose the house, we could lose the car. there is no skin in the game. we are trying to do what we know will work, and that is changing the law. yes, we won some cases recently, george floyd, those cops injured are in jail tonight.

mohammed arbery, those people are in jail tonight. it's not just gaining political power, it's gaining change. for those here and there, you need a federal law which everybody can be held to the same standard. >> there's also something about incentivizing people to be human to each other. you talk about skin in the game, what is so sad about this is that the notion of the biden would have to be happening punitively. it's not that we can remind each other that we are in this together, that the anti-blackness is a poison which spreads throughout the black community, as it does with the white communities and many other communities. you have incentivize people by saying that the law is going to come and get you. >> i don't believe that those five black policeman would've done this to a white kid. the argument is that crime is up in many areas, and that is true. we ought to fight crime, and we do, all of us do, in all of our organizations. the fact is that you know on

the white side of town, how to keep crime down without brutalizing and killing people. use the same police force. it's not a different police department. what works, it will work here if we are respected. i think that what is so egregious about this is that just ten minutes away from where dr. king was killed, fighting for city workers and police officers, you have five black cops who would not have had a job if it was not for the martin luther king's of the world. beating a black man to death, i don't care what they come up with and social media as the reason. they beat a man to death that was unarmed, and had not committed a crime. >> maya, i cannot get over that backdrop, that the reverend so beautifully articulate's. and what is happening in terms of the cultural wars that are being perpetrated, i will not use any other word for it, in states like florida. you have a governor who is

intent on erasing what to me feels like the gains of the civil rights era, the gains of the last 20 years. the cultural progress, the racial progress. how do you square the censorship that is happening in classrooms, the denial of history that is happening, the denial of conversation happening around the sins of the past, the systemic oppression. what we see here playing out on the street, which is evidence of systemic oppression. systems that are flawed. >> it is not a square, it is a circle. that circle is exactly what the reverend is saying, which is that we have a system of laws, and principles which have not been equally applied. when we have achieved some measure of a quality, equal achievement of getting some fairness, it's because we have had to fight for it, even when it is inscribed in law. the voting rights act was passed in 1965, proud to lead

the coalition to help to get that passed, in combination with civil rights organizations across the country. it was because, and reverend, you have said this on voting rights. there was always a constitutional right to vote. just like policing, there was always supposed to be the laws of protections, how we apply them. your point about humanity, how can we have humanity? if we don't learn our history. to your point, part of what we just saw in the news today, out of florida was the college board, with a curriculum, and advanced placement curriculum on the first day of black history month, on black history, but what the link the desantis is trying to break, and that too many politicians pushing the vision, using race or sexual identity, or any other number of things as a wedge between us, it's to deny that

our history is that all connected to the experiences that we are having. let's remember, what is historic today is not that tyre nichols is dead. that is common. what is historic is that anybody is paying any price for it. that is what is historic. it was historic when officers went down for a murder for george floyd's killing. that was historic. being killed by police for driving while black, that is not. >> i understand where you are coming from, and i understand how memphis is being held up, and that this should be a template, this alacrity which which systems move, to charge these officers, to fire these officers, to release the videotape, that should be a model for the nation, for the next time that a black person is killed by police. it's the next time but the expectation that oh yes, there

will be another innocent black person that was killed by police. sometime in the near future, and we hope that law enforcement moves quickly in order to punish them. that's the part that i think is still so difficult to handle. to swallow, to just abide by the notion that this violence continues. maybe the circumstances around it can be made better. >> and we cannot do it police department by police department, state by state. it must be federal law. that is why i said what i said, reverend jackson told me, you have to change the laws. we were raised in this. her father was george wiley, he had a national welfare rights organization. i was raised in a bread basket. we were taught, drilled in this, because we don't get anything out of this other than to try to do what is right. what is right is to change the law. otherwise, 20 years from now, what did we have? a lot of things that achieved nothing, but fundamentally changed how society operates,

in order to protect its citizens. you need a lot to do that. >> there was an important lawmaker at the funeral today, the vice president of the united states. she herself,, emblematic of progress that this country has made. you asked her to speak, it did not seem like she came with prepared remarks. what is your impression of how this death in particular is changing the white house's focus on police reform? >> when she spoke, and she talked about how she was one of those in the senate before she was, vice president and often into george floyd, they pushed it forward. president biden has said that we need this law. now we need the senate, we need some of the democrats and some well meaning republicans that can say -- we cannot keep going from one death to the other. we need, the issue now, voting rights and police reform. that is the civil rights challenges of the 21st century.

we must lead that challenge. >> do you think we're in agreement on that, those that see this as a civil rights battle of our era? >> yes. you cannot be for civil rights and not see the importance of protecting our right to decide who leads us. protecting our right to be free from police violence, there is nothing more fundamental to our rights as residents, and citizens of this country. and then to be able to do both of those things, literally to choose leaders and live. and have anybody in position with consequences for not being attentive to the same laws that we all need to be attentive to. i will also say because the reverend is so right about this, it is not giving, it is not ever given. it is demanded, change and laws are demanded. when we see the laws that are not equally applied, that's when we have to have new laws that say that we have figured out how you found a loophole, now we are going to close it. when we see any politician, of

any party who claims to be in favor of civil rights, but lies about whether or not there is voter fraud, or lies about whether or not closing polls with black communities, keeps black people from being able to vote. or lies when you have police officers at polling sites, and suggest that you are not making people afraid to go cast their ballot. the very reality of the black existence is that you are safer if you avoid the police. that's not a democracy, and saving it is exactly what the civil rights movement has always done. they have fought for democracy, saved, it and the truth is that it makes everybody safer. everybody is stronger, everybody is more empowered, and all of it i will say to anybody is that any politician who seeks to divide us, that calls us names, it suggests that we are woke, is worse than being asleep, is not a

politician fighting for democracy and for every single resident of this country. >> i just hope that in 55 years, people of memphis do not continue to eulogize another black person with signs saying, i am a man. reverend al sharpton, maya wylie, thank you both very much for being here tonight. i am deeply appreciative of your words of wisdom, and the fight the fight for all. when we come, back house republicans have put jim jordan in control of the subcommittee to investigate what they are calling the weaponization of the federal government. now democrats are seeing who will be going toe to toe with him. plus, a look at the elephant in the room. literally, the elephant. donald trump once a 2024 republican presidential nomination all to himself. the rest of his party, maybe not so much. that's next. that's next.

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his first bona fide competitor for the republican presidential nomination in 2024. today, the charleston post and courier was the first report that former south carolina nikki haley is running for president, and will officially announce her campaign two weeks from today. we also learned today that haley's fellow says the killer -- republican senator tim scott is set to hold events in iowa, in south carolina amid speculation

about his own presidential run. yesterday, former maryland governor larry hogan told fox news that he is also giving very serious consideration to his own run in 2024. it's clear that trump's early entry into the race has failed to dissuade potential challengers ahead of what could be a crowded primary field. right now, polling continues to show that the only potential candidate who is within spitting distance of donald trump's florida governor ron desantis, who has yet to declare his own candidacy. today, he continued to press the issue that republican primary voters that it apparently care most about. that is, owning the libs. >> we just added, because i think it needs to be done, no tax permanently on gas stoves. they want your gas stove, and we're not going to let that happen. >> they're not going to let that happen. that was florida governor desantis today, announcing that his big new policy plan for the state of florida is 6% of your

gas range when you use the copen code desantis. believe it or not, this kind of politics guess you second place in the early republican primary. let us be clear, let us make no bones about this. the front runner as of right now is still donald trump. the republican strategy for defeating trump, preventing him from being the nominee, if you will, is to essentially sit around and hope that something bad happens. as the atlantic's mckay commons reports in a new piece for the atlantic, ask republicans how they plan to move on from trump and the discussion will quickly veer into the realm of hopeful hypotheticals. maybe he will get indicted, and his legal problems will overwhelm him. maybe he will flame out early in the primaries, or just get bored with politics, and wander away. maybe the situation will resolve itself naturally. he is old, after all. how many years can he have left? joining us now is josh marshall, founder and editor in chief of talking points memo. josh, thank you for being here. let me just start with a question that confuses me.

that is, which republican party does nikki haley and larry hogan think they are running to potentially be the titular head of? it is hard for me to imagine, and mike pence for that matter, it's hard to imagine any of them having any basic support in the gop. is this a's fools errand, or do you think that they will be on to something? >> i cannot imagine that nikki haley will win the nomination, but at least she is somewhat in line with the politics of the current republican party. hogan, he is almost certainly considered an honorary democrat by a lot of republicans. they are not going, neither of them are going anywhere. what really strikes me most about, if you can call it this incipient primary campaign, is that everything, even though donald trump is clearly much weaker than he was, having a hard time raising money, he

does not -- his polls aren't as good, he's got people who are willing to challenge him, and things like that, but the entire race is still defined by him. everything about ron desantis is just that he is the one who might be able to get rid of trump. he is the get rid of trump card. there is the get rid of trump candidate. and then there are a bunch of other people that sometimes may get over 1% in the polls. you have these gop presidential primary polls, and often, like liz cheney, she is fourth at 3%. people like nikki haley and mike pompeo, they are a 1% against 0%. and so, yes that is really the thing right now. clearly, donald trump is a lot weaker. he's got all of these legal problems, you can even see in some ways these events now, it's kind of off of his game. he doesn't quite have it the

same way. but still, for the gop, it's like dragging around a half ton anchor on your motorboat. it's not that you are going to go down to the bottom of the river, and go down with the anchor, but you can't really go anywhere else either. that is really kind of where it is, which is why i think it is possible, i'm not saying likely, but it's possible that we are going to have this primary campaign, donald trump is going to end up polling 30% in each of the primaries, which is pretty similar to what he did in 2016. a lot of republicans are just going to say, well, there's kind of nothing else that we can do. we're going to do this again. even though the majority kind of would just assume that, like mckay kaufman said, maybe he would just get bored and walk away. >> or even, really, they talk about him, he's talked explicitly. peter meijer, former congress

person says that he has heard from a lot of people that will go on stage and put on the red hat, the maga hat, and then say the next day, i can't wait until this guy dies. it's like, good lord. dark humor though it may be, it's really seemingly the strategy here. they are content to literally let nature take its course. rather than usurp, take away the scepter from the king. it is shocking to me that in this moment, where so many lessons have been learned, where the countries borne witness to the insurrection at the direction of donald trump. the gop still cannot say, they have lost seats, lost power. they cannot say but it is time for you to exit stage right. the only indication that we have that anybody has chilled in their archer is the money. the fundraising figures are the only indication that i see the trump might actually be in trouble. he has raised less than $10 million since the announcement has been from the white house. compared to a similar period in 2020, between the election in

january 6th, where he raised 250 million. do you think that it is possible that the donor class in the end, oh the irony, will be the ones that take donald trump off stage right, or do you think that they acquiesce as well? >> it's funny, because there are two donor classes. there are the dozen or so millionaires who fund most of the republican party right now. most of them, at the beginning of 2016, were like, oh, donald trump, scoundrel, i can't abide by him. and then they all fell in line and gave him money. then you have the small donors. this sort of paltry money that he has raised so far, that is the small donors. i think that they will come around, and at the end of the day, look, we all need to remember what happened in 2016. everybody in the gop was against donald trump, and then he won. they all fell in line.

and so i think that it is quite possible that that same thing is going to happen again. the one thing that i think might be different, which is what i think really is potentially donald trump's weakness, is that in 2016, donald trump took over the republican party by something shocking and awe. first he is a joke, then he is winning some primaries. suddenly, he has the nomination, and a lot of republicans are like, well, okay, we will lose, and then rebuild the party afterwards. and then he becomes president. it all kind of happens so fast. nobody quite knew what to do about it. now, you do have elected officials, for some republican voters, the last three elections have not gone back at that great for them. he might be in jail by the end of 2024. i do fit think that there is a sense in which possibly a critical mass of republicans are like, we did this already. we are not going to fall in

line quite the way that we did, while on the other hand, it might well just fall in line. i think that that is probably the more likely of the two possibilities. >> it's just wow, rhonda scent is offering 6% off of the gas stove. that amounts to a platform in the gop these days. josh marshall, -- >> that will certainly be the central platform i think, in the 2024 gop platform. >> hot tip for 2024. founder and editor in chief with talking points, it's great to have you on the show. thank you very time tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> when we come back, we will talk about what the fbi is doing at president biden's vacation home today, and what they did find, and what they did not find. plus, house democrats are picking up their efforts for the republicans knew subcommittee on the so-called weaponization of the federal government. two of their picks were heavy hitters for each of the trump impeachment proceedings. we will talk to one of them, coming up next. love?

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of the nine impeachment managers during donald trump's second impeachment in 2021. joining her on the republicans weaponization subcommittee are eight other democratic members, including the lead counsel from trump's first impeachment, now freshman congressman dan goldman. republicans are expected to use the subcommittee to investigate the fbi, the department of justice, and the intelligence community. just last, week the 12 republicans, led by chairman jim jordan, met to discuss the possibility of unilaterally issuing subpoenas to witnesses. and they held that meeting without their democratic colleagues, which is, interesting. but now the democrats are actually in the room, what are they hoping to do? what can they actually do? joining us now is new york congressman dan goldman. congressman, thank you for being with us tonight. may i say in advance, good luck on this committee. and what is the playbook here for democrats? we already have indications that republicans are going to use this committee to launch

all manner of questionable inquiries. what's the playbook that you can use to effectively stop the worst, the most adverse effects and narratives from emanating from this committee? >> well, you're right, alex. the breadth of the jurisdiction of the subcommittee is really stunning, including having authority to investigate ongoing criminal investigations. which is a very scary thought, because of course, the department of justice must keep confidential their ongoing investigations. but why would they want to do? that well, there are several ongoing investigations of donald trump. but there are also ongoing investigations, including the january 6th insurrection, related to republican members of the house. and i think what we are going to have to do on this committee is re-center this conversation around our democratic institutions, the rule of law, and the foundations of a rules

based society that we live in. i had ten years of experience as a federal prosecutor in the department of justice. and i worked for the fbi every day. i worked as a staffer on the house intelligence committee. and i understand the intelligence community. and i'm going to bring that experience as a sober and truthful reminder to jim jordan and the other republicans as to how things actually work. and how important these executive agencies are to our communities safety and our national security. >> congressman, you're gonna have a lot of work to do. but with that mandate, you know, this committee, the subcommittee is supposed to be investigating the weaponization of the federal government, there is actually an investigation that is warranted. and that is the durham investigation over a doj. the new york times had some explosive reporting on the ways in which then attorney general bill barr, what sounds like colluded with john durham, the

special counsel who is retained to investigate the origins of the trump russia investigation. and the relationship between those two men sounded inappropriate. there were late nights drinking scotch, a sort of coziness that sounded inappropriate for somebody who's supposed to be an independent investigator. there was also a lot of questions around a potential criminal investigation into suspicious financial dealings relating to and then president donald trump. can, i know that you have sand, you and congressman ted lieu have called on the inspector general at the doj, michael horowitz, to look into whether durham or bill barr violated any laws, doj rules, or practices or cannons of legal ethics when it came to the durham review. can you talk a little bit more about what you see and what is a red flag for you? >> yeah, you're absolutely right. if you want to talk with weaponization of the federal government, let's look at the

four year john durham investigation, which yielded two indictments, both of which were acquittals. and even bill barr admitted that the purpose of those indictments was not actually to convict the defendants, but was to effectively launder and conspiracy theory about the russia investigation and its origins through a criminal prosecution. there are sirens blaring all around this investigation from an excessive abuse of power, to prosecuting misconduct, to the little isolation and public speaking against department practice about an ongoing investigation. even to the point where to prosecutors on the german vest again resigned in protest. just to be clear, before the trump administration, that type of thing almost never happened. it was like a regular occurrence during the trump the administration. so, i really hope that a jim jordan and the republicans want to investigate the

weaponization of the federal government, that we start with a four-year waste of time and waste of resources that was the john durham investigation. >> congressman, we know that bill barr, this evening in an interview with the l.a. times, addresses the criminal, the tip that effectively bill barr got about potential suspicious financial dealings relating to the former president and the criminal investigation that had to be part, thas subsumed or adopted into the durham probe. bill barr is saying that the tip was not directly about trump. that's a direct quote from the story. and was part of, it was folded into germs inquiry because it did have a relationship to the russian gate stuff. it was not completely separate. therefore, it should've been in durham's purview, according to barr. and this is according to bill barr, turned out to be a complete non-issue. are you satisfied with that? are we going to hear more from john durham about what exactly this tip was and what exactly this investigation is? >> we better. bill barr should not be talking

about it. he is not the special counsel. it's an independent special counsel. he should not be talking about it, any of this, he's not the attorney general. so, we better hear from john durham and his report, everything about that tip. and i certainly hope that we will get more information about that. you know, bill barr is continuing on his reputation laundering campaign, where he claimed that it doesn't hold water that there was a finn rationale for opening this investigation. he's right, it doesn't hold water. there was no reason. for at the inspector general did an investigation of this exact topic. and yet, bill barr and john durham tried to convince the independent inspector general to reverse his conclusion that the origins of the russia investigation were legitimate. so, there are real problems all over here. and i really do hope that the department of justice and inspector general digs into this with the same intensity

and aggressiveness that he dug into the origins of special counsel mueller's investigation. >> i mean, talk about quite literally the weaponization the federal government. you are on the subcommittee, good luck to you congressman dan coleman, and thanks for your time tonight. >> thank you, alex. >> we have more to come, including how day one on the job for the trump allied special counsel investigating president biden's handling of special documents, how on day one there is an fbi search of president biden's beach house. stay with us. stay with us type 2 diabetes? discover the ozempic® tri-zone.

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beach, delaware, house had six bedrooms, five bathrooms, and apparently, zero classified documents. the presidents personal lawyer announced today that federal investigators searched the property with biden's permission from 8:30 am to noon today, and did not find any classified material. joining me to discuss how and why this happened is carol leonnig, national investigative reporter for the washington post. carol, thank you for being here. from your exhausting reporting, we know what some of these other searches turned up. they're usually triggered by the biden team finding classified information. do we have any idea what the fbi searched biden's beaches today? >> you know, alex, it's a great question. and the reason i'm told by sources is to be exhaustive. and because the biden team, his personal lawyers and of course allies at the white house, kind of want this over and done

what. they want to figure out the totality of places where records may have been sent from the time of his vice presidency, then ended in 2017, in january. and they want to know the totality of records that might be outside government possession and make sure they are secured. you know, i think you've made this point really well before, which is that the biden team, as soon as they first found records in november of this past year, they alerted the government officials responsible for securing such documents at the national archives. and in the department of justice began the standard kind of process for making sure they secured such records. they told the biden team to hold up, let them know all the places where records could have been sent, and to stop reviewing and searching for any classified records. the result has been politically painful for president biden, because it's been a drip, drip, drip of discoveries.

but behind the scenes, i am told that this is all about cooperating with the department of justice and trying to defer to them in their surges. >> we think today was the first day of work for the special counsel, robert hur. do you think there is any coincidence in the timing of this search of the beach house and his first state? what is your expectation as far as what he might be doing in this first week or weeks on the job? >> so, i don't think that there is a dramatic connection here. this is based on the fact that sources have told us the special counsel has been briefed for weeks while he has not started in the actual location of his workplace until today. that he's been briefed on what's going on, and staying abreast of developments. and this is yet another surge, one of the several follow-up searches, to make sure all the records that might have been shipped to various locations are returned to government possession and are found.

now, i want to stress to you that biden's personal attorney's had no reason to believe there is anything in the wilmington home. and they did their own search their. and then they had no reason to believe there are classified documents at the rehoboth home, but they did search there. and now, the fbi has followed up behind them in both places and has concluded, at least in the case of the beach house, there is no there there. >> maybe they'll find a missing pair of sunglasses in the next surge. caroline egg, national investigative reporter for the washington post, thank you as always carroll for your time and great reporting. we'll be right back. >> thank you, pallets. hank you, pallets. (tony hawk) skating for over 45 years has taken a toll on my body. i take qunol turmeric because it helps with healthy joints and inflammation support. why qunol? it has superior absorption compared to regular turmeric.

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years, that i respect him, admire him, trust him. so, that is not news. but in the business we are in, that can be confrontational, it makes my interviews with him different because i do believe in trying to pull out his experience and wisdom, because i know it is there. that's what you're going to see tonight in our discussion with ron klain, which amounts to his last word exit interview, as he prepares to leave white house chief of staff. and he has served, as you know, as the longest serving first chief of staff to democratic president ever. and we're going to have some of that discussion, to begin with news of the day tonight. >> well, it is such an important interview. the time he spent in the white house from the aftermath of january 6th to the conclusion of the january six committee, the eve of the new presidenti