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and they're going to exploit it. join us tomorrow at 5:00 and 7:00 eastern on "hardball" and catch me tonight on jay leno show on nbc. "countdown" is keith olbermann starts right now. which of these stories will you be talking about tomorrow, mad max and the baucus caucus, prepare their final stages of their betrayal, the finance committee will finish debate intimately but not vote until next week to give republicans time to study the bill. the timeshares to mack, the truth of democratic sellouts to the health care industries is not enough for michelle backman, she is back to telling the guys god told her to tell. >> now the federal government is going the final step and they're saying, let's put sex clinics in our schools, can you believe this? >> well you said it, of course i
can't believe it. republicans for the public option, including dr. charles bus flood insurance, potentialism that helps people bad, socialism that helps prod, good. sarah palin has a winner at bookstores, one problem, her co-author, her last project is defending his god which is better than a muslim's god and she called the democrats the party of treasure son and subversion. gingrich gives -- and you'll never believe who just drew the birthers and loathsome rules. >> warning this product. may be cannerous. may be cancerous.
>> see, he was holding up on ten of copenhagen's snuff and went to the city of copenhagen, so that comparison was intellect l intellectual, and a nation made great by believers, so says republican senator lindsay graham. >> only in america can you make that much money crying. >> that's czar lindsay graham to you. all that and more on "countdown." >> when will it end? the finance committee shared by democrats, populated with a majority consisting of democrats has not only drafted a bill that carefully improves the conditions of the insurance monopolies, but a little touch of medieval punishment. in our fifth story, the financial committee debating not merely making buying insurance
unher threat of a fine, but making it mandatory under -- courtesy max baucus, to paraphrase my grandmothers, imnot going to let you -- but you're going to have a fight on your hands when you try to open it. the senate finance committee, passes a token that would enable states to form their own public options but it would be limited to people between 133% of the federal poverty level who do not get insurance at work. the bill out of committee when it comes to a vote sometime next week, senator majority leader read decided to include a real public option in the final legislation, saying tonight he favors a public option, that he's going to do his best to add a public option, but to remember a public option is a relative term. as is the phrase, chance of re-election.
no-speaker pelosi says a public option will be in the final bill that goes to the senate. >> i'm still trying to find the first american to talk to who's in favor of the public option, other than a member of congress or the administration. i have not talked to one. and i get to a lot of placeses. and i have not had anyone come up to me, i know i'm inviting it. but i haven't had anyone come to me and lobby for the public option. this is about as unpopular as a garlic milk shake. >> mr. boehner needs to get out of the sanning talon more often. a recent poll of the quinnipiac association, 57% of people in boehner's state were for a private plan with a government insurance. when people were asked how important it was to give people
a choice between a public plan and a private plan, 73% of those surveyed considered that choice important. and there's this postscript, quote, a member of congress walked in and was generally walked right back into a physician's office. we're there to make sure everything possible can be done to preserve that member of the congress. it is called the office of attending physician, to nbc news, those who continue to -- high-tech low cost modern community hospital on site at the capitol, examinations including x-rays and lab work, physical therapists, nurses and a pharmacy, as well as access to the best specialists in the county that are brought to the capitol and the cost to the senators and congressmen is $502. howard, good evening. >> hi, keith. >> so any americans who might end up in jail because they
didn't buy private insurance under the baucus bill should it become law, i suppose they would then get public health care in jail, does that make them the only americans under this plan who get free public health care or even subsidized public health care? >> and they would get all the garlic milk shakes they could drink. the thing about the care that they get on the hill, it's interesting, it's the result of competition, it's the result of choice, which is the keyword in those polls you were just showing. >> i don't suppose it needs pointing out that you won't just get a fine, you will get jail time, even nominal jail time that has been lobbied for by the health care industry, correct? >> keith, the amazing thing here is that if this goes according to the baucus plan, as it now
stands, the federal government will require and force the health insurance companies to get tens of millions of new customers, and the pharmaceutical companies to get a lot more business, in exchange for some federal regulation, let's say that, because there is. -- technically isn't any right now. but not the one thing that they fear which is competition. it won't be required really by restructuring the way markets in many cities and regions work where there's very little private competition and it won't require the public plan, the public option which would be the other main way to force competition. so the way things are going right now, the industry gets just about everything it wants with minimal pain, that's basically what the baucus plan is. >> but one aspect to this, howard, how does any lawmaker believe that they would get my kind of public support for a provision that puts people in
jail for not buying slightly regulated and even financially regulated -- how are you going to sell this and how is there going to be a signing ceremony? wouldn't the president of the united states basically have to write it down and then run to avoid citizens who had voted for him? >> well, i talked to a couple of members this evening about this, and they were shaking their heads, because unless it's a plot to further raise the visibility of the birthers and the tea baggers because it plays right into the argument and it's resonated some out into thereto country, into the argument of people who are saying that this is a massive government plot to take over your whole life. if you were going to try to feed that paranoia among people who oppose this, there's no better way to do it than this, it's crazy. >> who was the idiot who brought this up, do you know. >> i wish i knew the answer, and
i'll put it on the internet as soon as i figure it out. >> send me an e-mail. the cantwell, is there window dressing, it seems awfully qualified and caveated to death. >> qualified and caveated to death is what a public option is going to be in the end. i think there'll be some whiff of public option, some seasoning of public option, a garlic smell of public option in the final legislation if it's going to pass because whatever comes out of conference, if it comes out of conference, won't pass the house of representatives in the final passage and the cantwell proposal will try to get to that. it will be some murky language like that otherwise they won't pass anything. >> our own howard fineman, and if this passes i will leave the
tea baggers. the latest big lie from the gop regarding what is in the rest of that health care bill would be amusing if not so insidious, and to ignore both facts and logic to back it up. speaking from the house floor last night she spoke on one of the house bills is health care clin clinics. >> these have been more accurately called school sex clinics. >> by her. after that sleight of hand, bachman supported -- >> protect student privacy, what does that mean? it means that parents will never know what kind of counsel and treatment that their children are receiving, and as a matter of fact, the bill goes on to say what's going to go on,
comprehensive primary health services, physicals, treatment of minor, accuse chronic med condition conditions. does that mean that someone's 13-year-old daughter could walk into a sex clinic, have a pregnancy test done, be taken away to the local planned parn clinic, have her abortion and come back to the school and go home on the bus that night and the parents are none the wiser. >> school based health clinics aup known as health clinics will be provided in accordance with federal state and local law governing one obtaining parental or guardian consent. baucus plans to focus on the patient privacy language while ignoring the parent and guardian language. end of life counseling, which
you can bill your doctor for if he joins you and your relatives became death panels, and school based health clinics with mandatory parental information becomes sex clintonics? >> well, according to michelle's definition, the house clinic that you were talking about earlier would be the congressional sex clinic, where she and other female members of congress can go and get abortions in the afternoon and then as she put it be home for dinner with no one knowing the difference. that was her, she was imagining what it would be like to get school kids getting abortions and go home and the parents don't know it. she's really off the deep end once again? >> why is she bothering to go off the deep end when people in the house and senate are doing such a good job for her. the person who brought up going to jail if people don't buy the worst health care plan, coming in from the gang of six, so it
could be any one of those turkeys. >> when i was working for senator moynihan in the finance committee, at the last minute he came up with a strategic motion that he shared only with me, why don't we put a death panel in it and then we'll surely get republicans vote for it. but that won't see the light of day. >> the death penalty won't see the light of day? or the jail time. >> the jail thing is not going to make it. but it all grows out of the problem with the individual mandate and the history of individual mandate is it was raised by republican john chaffy in 1994, condemned by bill clinton as the worst possible thing that we could do, then when hillary clinton was running for president, she was in favor of an individual mandate. so this individual mandate has traveled a long road from republicanism now over to the democratic party. it has horrible enforcement implications, that it's on your tax return, it's enforced
through the tax code, so if you don't pay it, you are up for tax evasion here, which does theoretically, not in cases like this, carry a jail term. so the individual mandate carries a lot of series problems in enforcement terms with it. >> if the democrats have moved into that end of the twilight zone, clearly that has pushed the republicans further back in the hatch business to pass on abortion amendment yesterday, on neverous, unnecessary, but it does signal their hand for the next round of it. so they're going do wind up repaling the insurance, now we're going to pay the insurance companies money and they don't have to provide any coverage at all? >> i was there when they voted for that, when i was in the finance committee there were no women on the committee, and to see not just the women on the democratic side, but also olympia snowe, adding their votes against the hatch amendment, which is necessary, they're going to come on taxes,
keith, that's the next level is taxes. there are a lot of taxes in this bill, there are new taxes that no one has ever seen before and that were not part of the obama presidential campaign about how to pay for this. taxes isn't the weak spot. as long as michelle obama is out there giving video like that, the tax argument isn't being heard. so michelle bachman is helping by drowning out the tax argument that's going on in the senate finance committee right now. >> we have canceled the october recess, so there's no second round of town halls with democratic congressmen, it's left with showing as many wrenches into the work as possible. what is the most they can get within the framework of not having the wild-eyed protesters out here? >> the worst they can get is killing the bill completely. they did it before. now when i look at boehner, i have to say, boy, i wish we had been up against him in '94, we were up against bob dole, they
were very -- they came at us on the policies that were in the bill. that's how they won. this time around these people are lost, between boehner and michelle bachman they have no idea what to say about this. >> you know why he got that fake tan, because otherwise he would be so transparent you could see the board behind him. by this unimproved overpriced rigged insurance policy or go to jail. this is the end game of what began with singer payer and the public option. and tonight there's a dplichler of hope, evidence of a by partisan bill with a public option, pro public insurance option. it's not for bills you will get from your hard working professionals, but for floods. t it's not just a truck it's an f-150. and with great power comes great fuel economy. no wonder it was named 2009 motor trend truck of the year.
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public option have been these, that the government is incapable of running an insurance plan, that socialized insurances will have better advantages. but as david k. johnston recently reported, these arguments do not stop some of the big proponents for big insurance in voting for insurance when. after the president gave his national speech for health care refor re. >> it's clear the american people want health care refortunately, but they want their elected leaders to get it right. most americans wanted to hear the president tell speaker pelosi, majority leader reid and the rest of the congress that it's time to start over on a common sense, bipartisan plan, focused on lowering the cost of health care while improving quality. that's what i have heard over the past several months in talking to thousands of my
constituents. replacing your family's current health care with government-run health care is not the answer. in fact, it will make health care much more expensive. >> some blue doghouse democrats led by stephanie sandelin -- republicans were joined by a handful of democrats including the committee chair max baucus who drafted the bill after conferring for weeks with the so-called gang of six, republicans chuck grassley, mike enzi and olympia snowe. each of them voted just last year in support of government-run insurance, that insurance protects property. it is the national flood insurance program because the free market decided it could not make money on that unpredictable risk called flooding. government run insurance is backed by the government and the
government assumes all risk. unlike the public option that relies on customer premiums, government flood insurance gets a subsidy also known as a handout from the government and it is mandatory for some people. so given all the shoulding over a public option, who could vote for mandatory taxpayer subsided anti- free market socialized flood insurance run by bureaucrats, charles bous stan any, who voted yea on the flood insurance reform and modern nation act. carl max applauded. the entire gang of six voting yea on the same acts to quote, restore the solvency of the national flood insurance program, but also to expand socialized insurance to make available multiperil coverage
for damage resulting from -- voted to expand potentialized property insurance. consider the communist states that get the biggest handouts from socialized property insurance. north carolina, mississippi, wisconsin, florida, illinois, missouri, indiana, iowa, louisiana, and the top socialized property insurance welfare state in the nation, the people's republic of texas. people's republic? where 682,000 property owners have their hand out for socialized property insurance, more than 36,000, scooping up 1.5 billion this claims last year alone. of course it's not that some politicians don't care about the health of all americans as much as they care about the wealth of those americans who can't afford water front property. there is perhaps a less callous explanation, greed. can't be principled because mandatory subsidized socialized property insurance is even more socialist than is the public
option. preexisting conditions? no problem, you can get flood insurance even if you have already been flooded, even if you have chosen to live in a high risk area, you can even get flood insurance after thing the is in, even if you know a big storm or a hurricane is coming. but republican -- according to the "new york times," americas pay about $2.3 billion in flood premiums every year. insurance companies get almost a billion out of that, without a single dollar of their own at risk. private insurance companies make $327 million a year above their expenses. so thanks to the politicians who oppose the public option for people, we already have socialized government health care plans for the health of the insurance companies. good news and bad news tonight, meantime for sarah palin, even though it's still in the preorder stage, her book is number one, the bad news, she may have to do some inscripted
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we begin in berlin, the german one where preparations are being planned for the celebration of the fall of the wall. it will be knocked down as this trial run demonstrations the giant dominos will be set up in the true spirit of whimsy in a perfectly engineered straight line. don't get too close to that, in photographer. when the every region is -- every religion is silly except your own category comes this story of a yearly ritual hindus observe in southern india, during the festival, the temple priest tells women who have thought bad thoughts that they must be freed from the evil by getting whips. men don't get whipped.
once it all over, the women can rest easy knowing nothing bad will happen to them, like, say, getting whipped. morning news anchors, whose names i won't mention, the sights and sounds of hard core animal pornography today, one of them actually beckons for a handler to bring two pooches on stage and into america's living rooms. >> let's go back this way. let's walk back this way. okay. that's a whole other show. >> that's today on nbc. >> after which the temple priest came to town and whipped all of them. health care organizations are buying sarah palin's book in volume.
senator lindsay graham calls republicans crazy. these stories best persons in the world. it would be the wisconsin tourism lobbying coalition, after 30 years has operated under the same name and acronym, but just changed it. the new name tourism federation of wisconsin. the old nay, wisconsin tourism federation, wtf. former bush speechwriter, another gem from his former colleague matt latimer's new book. when ted hen did was diagnosed with a brain tumor, i suggested that the president might at least consider him for the presidential medal of freedom. marc objected with the genteel diplomacy. that's crazy, he thundered. kennedy was a liberal. you couldn't sneak anything past
those bushies. and second, what a nice job of reaching across the isle. newt gingrich has now retracted two of his newt gingrich business defense and advisory council entrepreneur awards, the lodge of dallas, joining pink visual of california in learning it was all a mistake. the lodge turns out not to be a printing company in virginia, but a strip joint in dallas and pink visual turns out to be a porn dvd superstore in california and not a -- well, we don't know what pink visual might have been. maybe he thought his film wife switch volume 7 was, i don't know, a documentary about the speaker and his previous marriages.
bookstores, but "going rogue" has already gone to the top of the best seller list. and while the blogger proves she can finish nothing, the problem now is her co-author whose targets including the separation of church and state and whose faults have included separating what she writes from reality. meet palin's co-author lynne vincent. the body of work is the william boykin who said his god was bigger than a muslim terrorist's god. and in a book called donkey kong which describes the democratic party as the party of treasure on. president obama as a minority survivor of the black genocide, that is abortion. meanwhile the palin memoir is currently number one on the barnes & noble website as well
as amazon, but not all booed enthusiasts are preordering. >> the part of the book i'm looking forward to least is some of the disagreements that took place within the campaign. >> wow. the senator has company. the owner of an anchor raj bookstore remarking that not a single customer has asked about it. i don't know what that means, maybe we're all going rogue, going all mavericky. richard, good evening. >> good evening, keith. >> what does palin's selection of the co-author, lynn vincent suggest what kind of book this is or will be, just in case she hasn't finished it yet. >> you have to have a mind meld with your co-author and sarah palin has done something extraordinary again which is to find somebody just as irrational
as she is. afine if you're selling books to the base, much tougher if you're trying to reach out to some independent votes or someone who may have voted progangster at some time in her life. by why does somebody partner up with -- who says after all, no rain, no rainbow. >> the mccain point we heard there about what part of the book he is anticipating will be his least favorite, how far do we expect palin to really throw him under the bus to sell this book and to sell herself for 2012 and is that -- is there a way of overdoing that where it winds up rebounding against her? >> well, i was talking to some, we'll call them campaign operatives, veterans from the republican side who are fully expecting this to be all about the score settling, at least the headlines coming out of the book to be about the score settling, about how there's all those evil mccain handlers who stopped
palin from showing her true genius, the great american voter and unleashing her even more than she was on the national press. so, you know, that's going to be a lot of headlines and it's not the best way to go at recruiting staff if she does indeed have that kind of ambition. it's also not the kind of politics and political leadership that voters respond to. >> this may be the biggest question of all, do we expect a book tour? and if there's a book tour, wouldn't she have to agree to a couple of interviews in order to promote that book. >> there is a danger. the real risk of a book tour having done them myself is that they're grueling, exhausting and sarah palin may find the best way she can do a book tour and support the troops is to stay home. >> both amazon and harpercollins say they do not know who's preordering the book. we have seen this on -- right
wing groups are buying it and are offering it for free, in part to put her and keep her at the top of the best seller list? >> let's put the "new york times" list to one side. but i'm going to reveal a little secret here, but those amazon lists especially are easily manipulatabl manipulatable, and that's not my statement being some twisted book author, there's a respected economist who works out of the white house by the name of austin goolsby who wrote an economic paper who found out that there was no feasible al gore rhythm about how these books are counted. we'll have to wait until the actual publishers have done their tally. >> is there a chance that this is the fabled new career, or has that that not yet been revealed to all of us? >> all will be revealed in a tweel and then she'll collect
them all up and and she'll put that in a book too. >> richard wolfe, author of "renegade" and also senior strategist at public strategies. what do you mean a republican senator doesn't like glenn beck when he has the intellectual capacity to ellipse the president's stop over in copenhagen to copenhagen snuff, why couldn't i be senator enough to do that? and if you're honoring hispanic heritage month, don't you have to mention supreme court justice sonya sotomayor. and when rachel joins us at the top of the hour, senator growncd had to get him a job while he was having an affair with mrs. doug hampton. a side-- yours. we're fighting to guarantee that you'll never be denied coverage because of your health or age. to prevent anyone from coming between you and your doctor.
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_-_-_-_-_-_-. glenn beck is a cynic in a nation of believers. that's next, but first, worst persons in the world. the contributors have a fun house mirror in the world because this man keeps fooling them. obama's safe school czar is a guy promoting homosexuality in the schools, the obama schools advisor term czar originate with nixon and reagan, the advisor is named kevin jennings, 15 years ago he wrote that while he was a male counselor -- for this limb -- as to limbaugh's fascination with that topic, i refer you again to the limbaugh comedy routine by the late bill hicks. who has pleaded guilty to terrorism financing now faces up
to 25 years in jail. he thought he was transferring 152,000 to pakistan and afghanistan to buying night vision goggles. he was arrested in february of 2007, but oddly the bush administration did not make a big deal about it possibly because also had transferred $15,000 to the national republican congressional committee and $20,000 to the national senator torl committee. and the republicans celebrating national hispanic heritage month not mentioning sena sotomayer. they left out the nation's first hispanic supreme court justice, sonya sotomayor, and caesar chavez and former republican senator mel martinez and instead
tornado republican senator lindsay graham criticized beck's role and has become the first prominent gop member to repudiate him as a member of the republican party. south carolina senior senator took on several right wing fling issues on racism. he said he disagreed with president carter, but said, quote, there's people who are having a hard time reconciling the fact that we have a black president. he called it a lack of civility pervading our media when he turned to old lonesome, the senator pulled no punches. >> what do you think of glenn beck? >> only in america can you make that much money crying in. glenn beck is not aligned with any party, as far as i can tell. he's aligned with cynicism. and and there's always been a market for cynicism, but we became a great nation, not because we're a nation of
cynics, we became a great nation because we're a nation of believers, that on the other side of the mountain is worth going to look at. >> cynicism was on full display yesterday with beck and his ongoing effort to -- decided to use a can of snuff to bring the point home. >> i want to talk to you tonight about copenhagen, two different kind of copenhagens, remember this, copenhagen, this is the first one. i'll tell you about that at the every end. >> tell me now. >> the second copenhagen is in denmark, to the international olympic committee's vote to host the 2016 game. the president hopes to land there and bring the olympics back to chicago and then back. and glenn beck's chalk board knows better, the president only wants to bring the olympics to chicago so he can make his friends rich, his friends who love communists, cop killers,
slum lords and probably tobacco, what about the tobacco, won't somebody think about the tobacco? >> know why the can of snuff, i told you i was going to talk about this in the very beginning. copenhagen, some people puts this between their cheek and their grum, it gives you a good jolt, but the main thing you should knowings is about the little label here on the side, warning, this product may be cancerous. may be cancerous. >> clear and compelling argument if i ever i heard one. i'm joined by craig crawford, msnbc political analyst and now author with helen thomas with the just released "listen up mr. preside president" everything you always wanted your president to know and do. >> listen, do you know what the analogy was there? is it obama is a cancer? is it that he's a snuff film?
was he born in denmark? or do you have prince albert in a can? what was going on there? >> i haven't got a clue, keith, and i'm glad i don't, because if i understood that, i would really be worried. i don't know about this word snuff, you can't accuse him of inciting assassination attempts, but you got to wonder what goes through your mind using a word like that in the context of talking about the president. the terrible explanation is that he's a nut. but if he was a real nut, most squirrels wouldn't go near him. the lindsay graham criticism, is that he might be the first guy in the gop to go, i don't want anything to do with this. he's not in my heart, you take him s that a rogue position torques bo, to borrow somebody else's phrase? >> it's a little push and pull, but they also get a lot out of glenn beck, in that he turns out
voters to the polls, particularly in low voter turnout environments like a midterm election comes next year. so i think republicans would love to have it both ways, keep their distance from some of the craziness, but reap the benefits of those voters in terms of the conservatives that he turns out at the polls. >> is it possible -- john mccain would have been worst than obama since mccain and graham are so tight? >> that's a possibility. knowing lindsay graham a little bit. he's actually a very reasonable guy and i think he was speaking from the heart there, i think there are a lot of republicans, i certainly talked to some, who are very concerned about, you know, the limbaugh, to the glenn becks and becomes the face of their party. but at the same time, like i say, they don't remind the voters to turn out. >> the largers part of the criticism is that the republican party is the point of view. somebody like me is that it's set by media figures in four
ratings, not progress for the nation, but really progress for their own side. is there anything blowing back against that, is there any impetus for change in that party. >> if they got out there with some new faces that are more reasonable maybe, but the problem for republicans is that they're addicted to one's actually a shrinking universe of voters who are very vocal and used to be their mainstay, but as our society. a chunk of voters.
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