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stupidity. conservatives are predictably dispep sick, roly poly. we'll get reaction at the top of the show from all sides. plus, how long can democrats take the heat over charlie go rangel? when nancy pelosi declared she wanted to make her the most honest and open congress in history drg she imagine that she would be attacks, for the chairman who stands accused of not paying his taxes. plus, has president obama done all that he promised for the gay and lesbian committee? he is speaking tomorrow night on the eve of sunday's watch on washington by thousands of gay rights supporters. two leaders of the gay rights movement will sound off on what they want to hear him say. also, if sarah palin is such a syrup star, how come republicans running for governor are saying thanks but no thanks to her appearing at their campaign events. and hillary clinton jumps in to umpire this weird battle going on between the city of new york,
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new jersey, and the long new york based conan o'brien. that's in the side show where it belongs. patrick j. buchanan is an msnbc political analyst. here's what president obama had to say in reacting to the news. let's listen. >> i am both surprised and deeply humbled by the decision of the nobel committee. let me be clear, i do not view it as recognition of my own accomplishments, but rather as an affirmation of american leadership on behalf of aspirations held by people in all nations. to be honest, i do not feel that i deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative nirgz have been honored by this
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prize. >> i guess humility was called for. he has just become thoughts. >> an excellent statement. i think it is very valid. barack obama is not in the league with t.r. who ended the russian-japanese war and got the nobel prize. >> he's catching up to yasser arafat, isn't he? i'm being sarcastic. henry kissinger has this baby. >> he's getting close. you're exactly right. >> what do we make of this? i think it was a great award. but go ahead. >> i think there is an element of ridiculousness to the award, quite frapgly, but i know why they gave it to him. they want to tell barack obama, we like where you're going. we like your kind of american. we approve that. they get enormous publicity. if he comes to oslo, he speaks. >> a p.r. stunt. >> they've given it to nonentities at time and nobody pays attention. >> they made it clear in the statement. they said he has created a new international climate. he has.
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now, dick cheney may not like that climate but most people in the world do. and i think, i'm becoming multilateral, talking about engagement with iran, doing something about climate change, even though i think it is not enough and he should go further. by and large, he has just by as you say, the virtue of getting elected, he has changed the international climate and he is holding these aspirations of people who never before looked to the united states. >> when gorbachev took over russia, a lot of people said this guy by the very fact of coming to office, has so changed soviet history, communist history. i love the guy. he came in there and knocked out that whole history and stalin and all those bums. he comes in as an open door. isn't the statements he's made torture, his opposition to the iraq war, his statements of approval of the rest of the world after bush's chauvinism. after eight years of that,
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doesn't the world have a right to say, thank god america is back to being america again. >> first, this is not the world. secondly, it is the nobel committee. third, you're exactly right. they love that he is completely ant athletic cal to george w. bush. >> you didn't like bush either. >> there are other things he's doing. he's deciding to send 10,000 more troops into afghanistan or 40 or 60. as mcchrystal does. but clearly, what this is is the nobel prize committee wants obama to continue down the road that he laid out in his campaign on iraq on, basically, disarmament and all these other things. >> you think it was an attempt to control american foreign policy. >> i think it is an attempt -- you're a good student. keep it up. >> i respect your opinion. here's limbaugh whose opinion is getting further and further crazy. quloog he is playingful to angry, angry people. here he is taking a shot. >> do you see a pattern here? liberal sellouts.
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liberal sellouts get this prize. george bush liberates 50 middle muslims. ronald reagan liberates hundreds of millions of europeans, saves part of latin america. any awards? no. just derigs. obama gives speeches trashing his own country and he got a prize for it. this actually make total sense when you look at who the nobel people are. the elite norwegians, europeans. they love what obama is doing will and this fully exposes, folks, the illusion that is obama. this is a greater embarrassment than losing the olympics bid was. >> what is he talking about? george bush liberating hundreds of millions of europeans. what history is he recording there? what is he talking about? he's deranged. >> he is talking to a slice of the public -- >> who believe george bush senior or junior liberated europe? >> he said iraq. >> the first time he said
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europe. he's giving him the whole planet. >> he means iraq. nevertheless, you can make the arresting utility, the award was premature. and it was a prize of encouragement rather than accomplishment. for rush limbaugh, michael steele to line one the taliban and hamas today in deriding this award shows they are so blinded by the anti-obama hatred that they will -- >> come on. be serious. >> i am being serious. >> gorbachev deserved the nobel prize for holding back the tanks and armies. >> that was yeltsin. >> he got it. 1990. >> but ronald reagan's policies of toughness led, helped lead with gorbachev's policies. >> he should have gotten it. you make the point that reagan should have gotten it. >> take a look. >> wars around the world. >> for god's sake, this guy is fighting in afghanistan.
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the central war in the war on terror. >> let's look at michael steele. the real question americans are asking is, what has president obama actually accomplished? it is unfortunate the president's star power has outshined tireless advocates who have made real achievements working toward peace and human rights. one thing is certain, president obama won't be receiving any awards. >> that's smart policy. >> i think jumping on the president in time like this, uping on the olympics is not as smart. it plays to the t.e.a. baggers. >> here is a graphic i want to show you about both, how europeans look at the united states. this is presidential approval under two different presidents. let's take a look. it is fascinating. i think peel will remember this long after they hear our words, pat and david. 11% of france respected george w. bush. i think we're making both points. 88%, them complete opposite, approve of the president we have
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now. germany, the same differential. 12-92. italy a little more fudged. 27-91. spap, 11-85. and u.k., britain, 17-82. so clearly this nobel peace prize was an award for beating eight years of bush. >> torture, condemning the iraq war, and changing the attitude of america toward the rest of the world. is that a fair statement? >> i think it is clearly, the obama campaign, they love obama. that's right. i agree. michael steele had a kanye west moment. you shouldn't have done that. but there is -- let me tell you, there is a certain lem of ridiculousness to this that will come back to bite obama. a lot of people will say, chris, i saw drudge this morning. >> let me ask you a question on
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the left. making pat's point. how does the man who gets the laurels for being a peacemaker send 40,000 more troops to afghanistan? how does he do that? >> i don't know. they're talking about that today. >> the word for peace will make it into a peace movement spxt your argument? let's take a look at the president and see if he is being moved toward peace. >> but i also know this prize reflects the kind of world that those men and women and all americans want to build. a world that gives life to the promise of our founding documents. and that i know throughout history, the nobel peace prize has not just been used to honor specific achievement. it is also been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes. that's why i will accept this award as a call to action, a call for all nations to confront
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the common challenges of the 21 century. >> it is interesting how they make this award. let's have a little fun now. we'll step back from the argument, whether this president is worthy enough to be a recipient. al gore has it for his work on he had indicating the world to the problem of climate change. that's clear lay point of view that he shares with the europeans. gorbachev got it, mandela deserves it. it does seal like al gore has it, bill clinton must be wondering. why don't i have it? he's done all this good work for the global initiative. >> in '94, they gave to it rabin and perez. >> something that he helped work on as well but he was left out of that. >> he did that at the end of the administration. he was fighting like the devil to get a peace agreement. if they had given to it bill clinton, i would have said, okay, bill clinton got the award. but i would not have laughed. i would have gotten up and left,
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what's going to here? that's the problem obama will have here. there is an element of ridicule that will be coming out in middle america. they may love this in europe but in middle america, people are saying, what is he getting this for? what is he going to get next? auto executive of the year with general motors? >> we hope he gets that and makes some decisions. >> by the time anyone pulls the lever in the the voting booth, there will be the afghanistan decision. >> will this trip to oslo make up for copenhagen? >> he has a worldwide theater there. a worldwide opportunity. >> now that we're getting into great speeches, it could be that is what it is going to be. who gave the greatest speech in oslo? >> william fog. he said america will not only survive but it will prevail. he had a confidence in america as a great american southern
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novelist. do you believe? we will prevail? >> ultimately the united states of america -- >> are you with falkner? >> i'm a short term optimist and a long term -- >> how did you get so dark? >> the pessimists -- >> i'm an optimist. >> if we make the right decisions will. >> you guys on the right say america is great but deep down you think it is not. >> it is cowardice. how do you like that? >> he's afraid. i'm a big believer in this country and i'm proud of our president for receiving this award and i think he deserves it for ending eight years as the europeans see it for chauvinism. my country is the only one that's any good. and smugness, and going into iraq, stupidity. thank you, pat buchanan, and by the way, all three of us agree on that one. pat buchanan, david corn.
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the ethics committee investigation of charlie rangel, the chairman of the ways and means committee, has widened bagsed on the financial statements that showed hundreds of thousands of dollars of assets he failed to include in his original report. here's just part of what he is being investigated for. fairly or not. fair to disclose his income from a dominican republic vacation
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home or paying taxes on it. occupying a rent control apartments in harlem at thousands of dollars below market. and whether that violates a rule forbidding member to accept gifts. failure to disclose sale of a washington, d.c. home in 2003. joining me now, an expert on the hill. and john who had a job like i used to have with the speaker of the house whose name i forgot. i'm sorry. denny hastert. i love charlie rangel. i think he is a great guy. i don't know the details here. you tell me, is this a firing offense? this stuff that has come out so far if it is proven. >> there is an investigation. >> are the elements in it strong enough forecast proven -- >> probably not. i think what the investigation will show, there is an enormous amount of sloppiness which is inexcusableburg no criminality. three issues. whether or not he failed to disclose his assets will. >> the report that member of chong to file and it cost ted
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stevens his career. >> no. it was more than that. it involved the u.s. attorney on criminality. much, much more. don't could that fuse these two. one is the failure to disclose. he discovered many of the assets and he amended his own returns. the chairman did. on his own initiative. secondly, whether he properly paid taxes. he was late in paying about $10,000 in taxes on the dominican republic properties. >> what cause that had? >> he did his own investigation after the news reporters went after him. >> that was property rental. when you're not staying tlurk rent it out. >> in the dominican republic. $10,000. the irs standard is willful evasion. >> i have a vacation property and i'm lucky toift. i'm told you can have a couple of week of income without paying taxes on it. >> he was beyond the threshold. >> there is a rule that does allow to you keep that was some money. >> no question on whether or not
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you have to pay taxes. he paid them late. >> ted idea he was allowed to keep the income on vacation property. >> he may have. you'll see at the end of the day, no willful -- >> the third point. vacation property, not paying taxes, what's the third thing? >> the third issue was the harlem apartment where he was arguably getting below market rent for his campaign office and his residence. i think that's an usual you've at the end of the day, will be a subjective issue. he may get a slap on the wrist or a reprimand. >> so when you come down on all of it, the only real criminal -- >> no criminal. >> if he doesn't pay tax. >> you have to be willful. and i don't think -- >> nobody can prove evasion. here's the question. what should happen? john? >> well, from a republican standpoint, he should stay in. he is a great talking point for republicans. >> you are such a cynic will. >> from nancy pelosi's perfect,
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she can't take him out because no one can replace him. she doesn't want to put pete stark there. and she can't leave him in because it is such a great talking point. the fact is, he has been convicted and tried. >> if all he's done in terms of disclosure, everything we've known is all that will be known. they do what they've done and that's it. is that the end of it? that he would stand the fire? >> how many times have we seen this story, he may be right on these technical -- >> usually it means one more thing. >> it always does. once there is an ethics investigation, it widens and widens. we saw it with they will. this thing never die. at the end of the day, as dick armiey used to say, the suffering is optional. for democrats, the pain will happen. and politically, they can't survive it. >> here's the political point. john didn't address the specifics. i went through the charges and
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said all of these involve shopiness. >> if you went on the hill, could you defend him effectively will. >> i think so. none of this involve willfulness. >> you don't know that. >> you said at the beginning, we don't know. we will have an investigation. we don't know. >> nobody is alleging any real criminality here. >> the new york times -- >> when you have -- >> let me ask you. exonerated. >> the fact of the matter is -- >> what was the charge against mark foley? >> there was no charge. my point is this. >> goinger to dormitory for pages and trying to pick up some young pages. that was a different charge. >> that's what matters in politics. >> i really want to get to this. here's a guy who has served in congress without any noise, corruption or ethical violations
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for something like 30 years. along comes the new york times. i don't know whether they have a case against him or whatever. they have been pushing this story and pushing this story from this little stuff into this bigger stuff. the question is, the house democratic caucus voted overwhelmingly, except for a couple guys from mississippi, to support him. why do you think they all voted to defend him? all of them. the democratic party. >> he's personally very popular. and as he war hero. >> and respected. he fought in the korean war. >> and it very, very hard to take someone out who is personally very popular and has strong connections with everybody else. >> the other point is who will follow him? the only person really competent is richie neil. it cause as big blood bath. >> another reason too, anybody that has work with charlie rangel on the democrat side, knows one thing. he is not a corrupt man. secondly, the democrat have come out. different from tom delay. a whole list of republicans.
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>> you've just said, name a democrat who has been corrupt. >> jim. >> the difference though, let me finish the point. can i finish the point here. the difference with the democrats as opposed to tom delay and the others, the democrats have called for an investigation. the democrats are not resisting. >> they have nothing. they have just hired an investigator last week. >> the politics of this, the birther movement. >> i'm hoping charlie can get through this and -- >> they want him to resign. >> who is that? >> a citizen for responsible, ethical in washington. and she is a big liberal and she wants --
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back to "hardball." time for the "sideshow." next up, hillary clinton. do you remember the conflict between copan o'brien and the state of new jersey. >> the mayor want to set up a program to improve newark residents' health. good. it would consist of a bus ticket out of newark. >> wow. the mayor of newark, corey
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booker posted this response to conan on youtube. >> not only am i mayor of building in's largest city but one of the largest airports in the united states. now according to the powers invest in the never by the people of newark, i'll officially putting you on the newark, new jersey no 90 list. try jfk, buddy. >> last night out of nowhere, the u.s. secretary of state herself made heavy part of this hudson river rhubarb. here she is, the secretary of state. >> it is time to make peaceful let's just chalk it up to conan's head injury and be done with this. we can end this silly feud and you can go back to what you both do best. for mayor booker, that means leading newark toward growth and prosperity. for conan, that means dancing around the stage and making lame jokes about my pant suits.
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>> hillary clinton did that really well. i think she came off great. as a student of politics, i'm wondering, why did she do it? who was her staffer or friend, whoever, who got her to do this thing? she hardly does anything like this on television. what is she negotiating this thing for? we'll find out in the weeks ahead. next up, a clownish move down the florida. robert lowry who said he is running against u.s. congressman debbie wasserman schultz next year, attend ad party this week at a local firing range. that's interesting in itself. he took up a gun and fired it at a full bodied silhouette with the initials dws, as in deborah wasserman schultz, at the head. he told the newspaper that did he in fact see those initials before he started firing. his first story was his shooting at that target with her initials on it was a joke. later with some thought finally, he said that he had made a mistake in doing so. anyway, congressman
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wasserman-swartz, an all around good person, put out a comment trivializing this behavior is the extreme view that has no place in american politics. that's our thoughtful capitol agree more. now for the big null. it gets pack to that headline of the day. a long time since a sitting u.s. president. you have to go back to 9319 during the fight of the league of nations. 90 years ago since a u.s. president won the nobel prize for peace while in office. tonight's big number. up nell, a big parade here in washington steek reassure activists who say he has broken his campaign promises to gay americans. what do the gay rights activists need to hear from our president? stay here. you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc.
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this is the cnbc market wrap. stocks closing up the week. the dow jones about 4% higher for the week. the s&p 500 adding 6. the nasdaq gained 15. chevron led today. it said higher oil prices will lead to much higher profits. chevron will post earnings on october 30 sz the. ibm was another of the big movers, shares getting 3% on analyst upgrades for the company. and the tech sector overall, ibm reports earnings next week. chip makers, intel and sandisk up about 1.5%. it will report next week as well. looking ahead to next week, the big financials will be in the earnings spot height.
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reports are due out from bang of manager, citigroup, jp morning an chase and goldman sachs. now back to "hardball." back to ball because. president obama will make his first appearance at a major gay event. it will be at the human rights event at the big dinner near washington. on sunday, thousands of activists, gay rights activists, will march on washington to register their discould not went the the new administration to a large extent. we'll wait toer what the voices are. we'll hear some of it tonight. the push for equality and for marriage rights. what do gay rights supporters want to hear from the president this weekend. and has he lived up to the promise he made and the promises he made to the gay community when he ran successfully for president? joe is the president of a great organization. the human rights campaign.
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i've been with these fellows many times. an organizer of the big national equality march. he is also a protege of gay rights pioneer and hero hard y milken who was assassinated years ago. let's go to this. the issue of the president of the united states most guide in war time is commander in chief. he says the word, he decides what wars we're fighting, he makes the calls, he leads the men and women in combat. where is he on this thing started under bill clinton, don't ask, don't tell. >> well, you bring up a good point. and i think that you've got to acknowledge, this president has done more in the first ten months of his administration than anybody before him. most of the issues that we're dealing with, if you read the new york times, the hate crimes bill. it passed through the house, the senate, to his desk. he was a great ally with us getting that done.
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orientation, gender identity on the list. signed into law. heavy lift. don't ask, don't tell, more complex. >> who gets to decide on the code of conduct? who decides? congress? >> yeah. >> pure and simple. >> clinton had the opportunity to overturn the ban but of course, in the midst of that debate in the first three months of his material, congress came in and enacted don't ask, don't tell. so the fate of this is in congress. >> where does that stand in congress? it will be revoked? >> no question. obviously moving through the house, with -- >> you're being kind. has the president been forceful enough on this issue as far as you're concerned? >> well, i think he has been outspoken in his commitment. >> when is the last time? we went back and did some biblical exjesus it is. all we could find where he said he could see, don't ask don't tell eliminated. that's an interesting verb form. not exactly a battle cry.
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>> he has a lot more work to do. that's what i'm looking for will. >> you voted for hill, right? >> of course. >> you voted for him? >> i campaigned for him. >> where do you stand? >> i respectfully disagree with joe. i would like to see much more. i think he needs to speak out elf used in to use his political capital. we need to show that we have his back. i support the president but i am disappointed. regardless of don't ask don't tell, we have gay men and lesbian women. >> always have. everybody who has ever been in the service knows that's a reality. it is a diverse situation in the military. always has been. what is stopping hum? let's take a look at the national security adviser. he said earlier this week when asked if this was the right time for the president to try to change the don't ask don't tell policy. here's what he said. i know this is an issue that he intends to take on at the appropriate time. and he has already signaled that to the defense department. the defense department is doing the things it has to do to
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prepare but at the right time. i'm sure the president will take it on. is that dilly dallying? or is that a cheer statement to you that he will get to it? >> i don't think it is a clear statement. the polls show strongly, the public is way ahead of the politicians on this one. >> they want open service. >> what i'm saying, to me it requires more than just speaking out. and if you thought, harry reid sent a letter to the president last week, not so much looking for leadership but looking for direction. >> is reid with you? >> absolutely. >> if you brought this to the floor of the united states of the senate, would it pass? >> not yet. >> i think it woint pass next week but would it pass next month if we did our work. >> is it better for you folk who support this move to have a vote to vote it down? would you rather put it off if you want to avoid tea fedefeat?
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>> i would love to accept any more delays. >> would you take a defeat rather than nothing. >> i would like people to get on the record will. >> you're willing to take a defeat if it has to be that. >> if that's what it takes. >> i've watched a lot on this. there is a real fear that this david boies effort being fought by him and ted -- olson will be causing trouble because if they lose, it hurts your case. let's shift to same second for a second. >> can we use hate crimes for a moment? it has taken ten months instead of six. ten months into the administration. harry reid says do you want to get this done fast or right? i'll wait four months to get it done right. >> but you won't of. >> if it is four months, yes. but we've been waiting a lot longer than ten years, joe. >> you're absolutely right.
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>> you both want the president to move faster even if it means a defeat. >> i believe that the president could get this forward. >> let's move to this question. a very tricky question. the states decide marriage law. you had a quickie divorce heerk you go to nevada, you go to maryland, you get a blood test. where do you stand on what the president can do? >> i think in this case, i have high hopes for the supreme court case. i have very high case for ted olson will. >> they'll use substitute process. >> it is important to remember, when the states derrell the specifics of the marriage hauz, wave wonder any named president where it was the u.s. supreme court that finally did toss out the laws. >> the lawrence, texas case. you have a good precedent for the liberty clause. you're wanting to take that risk. the folks in massachusetts still
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don't have -- >> they're litigating this. they will go for the ninth circuit. they're going to district court, to circuit, they will go before walker. will you win that? >> who knows? the most significant thing president can do is overturn the defense of marriage act. continuing bill was introduced two week ago. but that would overturn the two things were implemented. the ability to get the ban on federal benefits -- >> do you think he will? >> he's committed to it. yeah. >> defense of marriage. thank you. good luck on your big event on sunday. up next, president obama's nobel peace prize while his critics making lots of fun of him saying it is overmade. this is "hardball." would you like a pony ?
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time for the politics fix with david gregory, moderator of "meet the press." i love have you gone guys at the end of the week for the big picture. who would have believed when i got up this morning that guess
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what, apparently, was it rahm emanuel called the president? who called him? >> from the situation room. they got -- a wire report. by the way, he's won this. >> did we even know he was on the list? >> he certainly hadn't been talked about as far as i know. complete shock in the white house. the other thing that was shocking, the nomination actually was set in february. so basically -- >> when do they actually vote? wasn't it fairly recently? >> yes. >> here's the question. neither one of you guys can give me a hunch opinion. you're sufficient journalists. but analytically, is he better off for winning this or better off not to have won it? is this an albatross? >> i don't think you deny something like. this if he's smart, he can use it to create some leverage with the allies and say you love me. now show me the love. and help step up and make good on your responsibility around
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the world. >> so this makes him a participation leader. >> he won this award. >> it is a tangible reflect of what we see in polling and in other sorts of public reaction around the world. that he is seen as someone who is reengaging america. his approval ratings around the world are higher than at home. >> almost 90%. >> and there are many, several countries around the world polling by the pugh and they found a higher percentage of people trust him to make decisions than their own national leaders. but as david said, this was debated partially in 2008. if you're popular around the world, what does that translate into defending american interests? he kind of talked about that. today he wept out of his way to say, look, i am going to deal with the world as it is. and that involves the use of military forceful republicans want to argue as they did in 2004 and 2008, a democrat will try to curry fare by taking actions not in american
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interests. >> is this the only country in the world where being popular worldwide is a deficit? i was thinking that other countries like israeli leaders, british leaders, they all come here to show, to shine internationally so here to shine internationally to shine all the brighter home. if you go to oslo, you come back a lesser -- it's a strange, chauvinistic tendency of our country right or wrong. if they're right, we're wrong, that attitude. >> a lot of this is the reflection of where the country has been the last eight years, an implicit undercurrent -- >> is this a whack at bush? >> yeah. >> well, eight years of bush making fun of europe, going it alone, having troubles with the french, obviously the germans, all those countries. is this their way of saying we don't like the torture, the iraq war, we don't like bush's anti-seleanti anti-intellectualism? >> yeah. there was multilateralism about afghanistan under bush, about north korea and about iran. what this was really about was iraq and they didn't like bush,
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period and there was a difference in terms of how the bush administration sort of viewed the role of the united states in the rest of the world which was the unique projection of american power being the real global leader. obama believes a transformational change is being more of an interconnected world. >> by sunday, when you go on "meet the press" and have your roundtable, will this be seen generally as spinning right or spinning down on him? >> i think will is a key point here. the difficulty is he hasn't yet garnered all of the achievement yet to match this kind of -- whether it's domestic or foreign. by the way, nobel peace prize on a day when he's getting closer to make a decision about whether he can win in afghanistan. he's a wartime president. managing these wars -- >> laureate call for 40,000 more troops. pat beau can sitting in this chair a while ago said they're trying to direct his foreign policy by -- he can be a hawk.
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>> let the nobel committee control -- >> he went out of his way to say -- >> he went out of his way -- >> he has to deal -- you have a blue collar non-college constituency that is very responsive to the republican peace through strength, go alone argument. also, go it alone. the arguments from cheney in 2004 at the convention, saying that bush was unpopular in the rest of the world was proof he was setting up for america. on the other hand, there is an upper middle class, college dominated that believes the best way to defend america through the world is through diplomacy and alliance, those voters are important to the democratic coalition. i believe to those voters this is an asset. a tangible reflection of obama's standsing in the world. in 2008, when you talked to people supporting obama around the country, one of the
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back with david gregory and ron brownstein. more of "the politics fix." who's your guy on sunday? >> this guy on my political
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roundtable and debate on the way forward in afghanistan. senators levin, graham, dick myers. >> graham -- lindsey graham has been standing out against the crazy right wing nuts. >> he wants the president to double down in afghanistan. >> we're looking for leading indicators in which way the wind's blowing. virginia, republican rob mcdonald, building up the eight-point lead in "washington post" this morning. creigh deeds, the democratic trailing by four last month. down by much further. is this going to look like last year's election? >> in the off year elections of 2001, 2005, et cetera -- >> imperfect. >> imperfect indicators. '01, democrats did well, and did poorly in '02. in here in this poll and in virginia and new jersey are broader problems for democrats. one is the question of demobilization of democratic
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voters. obama's coalition is heavily dependent on nonwhite voters and young voters to tend who drop off in midterm elections. we see inside this "post" poll today, of the likely voters, only 12% will be african-american. it was 20% in 2008. they're assuming only 8% of the voters will be young -- >> david, that tells me we see pictures in the morning on the "today" show of older, white people voting that means trouble for the democrats. >> absolutely right. to the point of african-americans, creigh deeds, who is underperforming in the northern part of the state, among african-americans which is difficult in the debate -- >> not exciting anybody. >> not exciting a lot of people. there's an issue about independent vote who are are normally more republican who went for obama. this a question about the role of government, how much money is spent by government -- >> do you sense, the way the country is going, people aren't willing to become republican again, some of them, they're willing to take a whack at the democrats? the democrats have gone too far left and want to go back in the
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middle? you say yes? >> we have our quarterly heartland monitor poll out today. it's a clear there's a big chunk of the white electorate moving in a direction that is increasingly skeptical about the scale and reach of the government activities of obama but also is becoming distrustful of all -- losing confidence in all major institutions. not only government, business, the financial -- that is kind of a -- >> is it fair -- politics everything is fair. how do they get tagged with all these bailouts? these bailouts were moving along before he got in there. >> he owns it. >> how did he get to own all the bailouts? >> ultimately the breakage is still his. >> except for gm, firing that ceo, right? >> spending less t.a.r.p. money than was originally allocated. in our poll, today, it comes through these ballots are defining the federal role in the -- >> i think it's hurting him. >> absolutely. >> i think it makes it look like the government is taking over and people don't like the feel of socialism. >> they don't like the cost of
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the scale. >> it wasn't his scale. david gregory, ron brownstein. join us monday night at 5:00 and 7:00 for more "hardball." up next "the ed show" with ed schultz. good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" from minneapolis tonight. may i say, i'm impressed? congratulations, mr. president. but, of course, it didn't take long for the right wing id yopts in this country to crank up the hate machine, again. in case you hadn't heard the president of the united states has won the nobel peace prize. that happened today. >> i am both surprised and deeply humbled by the decision of the nobel committee. let me be clear, i do not view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments, but rather as an affirmation of american leadership on behalf of as