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i like that when you re-examine your ideas and principles. >> and -- >> and it's hard with the manner with these shoes but it works once in a while. >> joe is talking with our friends. join us on the radio. >> with a lot of music in the background. it's way too early. >> porsche to the main stage. it's "morning joe." right now it's time for "the morning meeting" with dylan ratigan. >> good morning. my name is dylan. on our agenda, developing news out of pakistan where four american students have been accused of treason. they're under arrest this morning for trying to join al qaeda. we're learning their families, in fact, prompted the takedown. we will get to that. plus a "morning meeting" exclusive. kept tell you how excited i am. i hope you benefit from the conversation we're about to have. senators from both sides of the aisle coming together for the first time in public in months in what could be the first bipartisan breakthrough we have seen in a very long time, if at
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all, on health care. democrat ron wyden, republican susan collins, joining forces to bring a series of amendments to the legislation. it's an interview you will only see and hear this hour. and then the space race just got a whole lot more interesting. sir richard branson joining us this morning to tell us about his new out of this world adventure, his space plane or spaceship, really? he will be with us in just a second. plus, white house kitchen confidential celebrity chef marcus samuels back at the meeting to tell us what he cooked up for president obama's very first state dinner and what the first lady cut from the menu. think she was pretasting in there? i don't know. it's 9:00 a.m. we have a big hour. pull up a chair and join "the morning meeting." to our panel we go. you can see christian feelen back with us, editor from "the financial times," and "the
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washington post" and oslo, norway, we're joined by nbc political director chuck todd, a man on the move. and joining us live, from, yes, his very own island -- this, too, could be you america. if you could just create a giant company that has airlines and music. the chairman of the virgin group billionaire richard branson, and i would argue one of the finest, most honest billionaires i ever met. this man is it. he is going to get us to ditch our plans to visit florida every summer and book our tour of outer space. some call him sir. i call him spaceman. every way, first up, breaking news out of oslo, norway, where the president has just accepted the world's modesto prestigious award for peace. two-thirds of americans saying he doesn't deserve it. obama agreed. others are more deserving. he also addressed the irony receiving a wartime president and a dealing with an award with
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pacifists like gandhi. >> i know there's nothing weak and nothing passive and naive in the creed and lives of gandhi and king. but as a head of state, sworn to protect and defend my nation, i cannot be guided by their examples alone. i face the world as it is. and cannot stand idle in the face of threats to the american people. >> nbc news political director chuck todd live in oslo. how has he been received there? is there any further insight, chuck, as to not only the nature of this award but to the conspiracy theories about the award in terms of getting the president there. was this an effort to try to create momentum around climate change and all of the rest of it? >> well, dylan, let me just get to the first part of this. i mean, the history of this award has always had politics as far as norway's own domestic politics. it's sort of best interests at
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heart. for instance, teddy roosevelt, a lot of people believe he got a nobo nobel prize when they believed they were trying to build a relationship with the united states. and you have norwegian politicians on this committee. >> you don't say. >> the striking thing about this was dominated by afghanistan. it was clear the president's decision last week to deploy these troops was front and center and i have already had a couple of foreign, sort of longtime national security observers say to me, he made a better case for afghanistan in front the of this audience and on the world stage than maybe he did at west point, in that he was putting it, in and defining what a just war is. it is not an easy task. these are folks in norway who didn't award a peace prize during world war ii. yet he went in front of a peace committee and made a case for war. it's not an easy thing to do.
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he defended america. people are saying he always goes on the world's stage apologizes. there were no apologies either. it will be hard for people to find something to criticize in this speech. >> thank you very much, chuck. speaking of war, a disturbing story developing out of pakistan. four young americans under arrest. officials expect them of trying to link up with extremists grougrou groups. nbc learning they were linking up with jihadists. their families for obvious reasons in shock. a week ago these guys were live income northern virginia going to college. pete williams on the beat. what do we know, pete? >> dylan, these are five young people, all four u.s. citizens, who left of the u.s. in mid-november, what december, and went to a eastern province in pakistan where one had a father who was living in a house that pakistani authorities believe is connected with a banned terror group in that country, and
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according to the pakistani authorities they went there with having had no training in the u.s., no background that would be of any use to a terror organization, and according to the pakistani officials, after questioning the five, they said they went there to try to link up with a terror group and get some jihadi training. but the pakistanis said the jihadi group after meeting them decided they wanted to have anything to do with them because they didn't have any training and in the words of one official in pakistan, didn't have any references. they were considered not good enough for an islamic terror group. the interesting thing about it, dylan, as you say, this came to light because their parents reported them missing and that's how this whole thing got in motion. >> any idea -- i have got so much questions after what you just said pete, i'm not sure where to begin. i have a limited amount of time. do you know, in other words, what set them off? is there any indicator as to their motive? i can ask a bunch of other question about where a good reference would come from.
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is there any insight to their intent or what their narrative was? >> no, and that's part of the mystery here. according to investigators, they really didn't leave behind any kind of a trail. they were not considered by people who knew them to be radicalized. the only thing they did leave behind is a video made by one of them with the general grievances about problems muslims are having worldwide and people ought to do something about it. it doesn't -- although it shows american casualties overseas, it didn't, apparently, according to people who seen the video, call for specific action. >> pete, understood. thank you very much. moving on, you can't make this stuff up, two months after alan grayson compared dick cheney to a blood-sucking vampire, a comparison i used to some of the banks, more words of wisdom to our former vice president from grayson. here's what he said last night on msnbc's "hardball." >> you know, on the internet there's an acronym that used to apply to situations like this --
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stfu, i don't think i can say it on the air but i think you know what it means. >> give me the first part. >> shut. >> oh, i got you. the stop talking in a crude language. i don't think you're going to get them to do that. >> christian freeland, the politics of former politician and then the targeting its incumbent politicians, particularly people in the house, like grayson who's out spoken to begin with, is this going anywhere? is this a distraction? >> i have to say it's a distraction and it's not very wise for people in the democratic party for people like grayson to stoop to crude language like that. i think the comments from cheney, the former vice president, were sufficiently shopping to use really strong lan of accusing the sitting president as weakness, weakening america, that and a lot of people in the republican party felt he was going too far, and i think using language like that about the former vice president
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may be weakens the case against cheney. >> jonathan ka, escalating a problem that should go away here? >> i think so. probably people on the right to compare president obama to hitler. i have to say personally i give him credit for being willing to good toe to toe with cheney. >> that warrants respect, if not craziness. moving on here, are you ready to book your place in space? are you ready? >> unfortunately, i don't have a spare $200,000 to reserve the ticket. >> i'm going to work on trying to get us a press discount. don't worry about the bill. i can work on that -- i think. for the very first time, average folks can buy takt that will let him or her take a rocketship into orbit. this is not a concept. this is a reality. we have the man behind the plan live now from the caribbean.
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he's relaxing, of course -- i don't know whether he's relaxing or not. he could be irritated. but he's in his personal island, perm state. some call him sir. others call him the boss. i call him spaceman. richard branson, chairman of the virgin group, joins us by phone. sir richard, a pleasure to have you on the horn with us. tell us, how does the ship work? have you been in it? educate us a little bit about this machine. >> good to talk to you. let's see, how does it work? bas basically, you have a spaceship attached to thesh mothership. the mothership is gigantic. very the guy. takes you up into space about 5,000 feet. you're sitting in the space ship just below the mother ship. the 55,000 feet, and it releases you and this -- somebody ignites the rocket and you go from north
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to 2,500 miles an hour in eight seconds. hold onto your seats and you go off to space. once in space, you become an astronaut and one of the 154 people who have ever been to space. you look back and marvel the world. you enjoy your space ride. you have an enormous window you are ready to fully take in the world. >> is there drink service? >> we would most likely throw in drinks for you. no, it's just -- when i saw the moon landing many years ago, i thought, yeah, i will be going to space one day. but the government don't rarely think about you and me would like to go to space. so finally we decided let's go and find the best and most brilliant engineers to put something together and led by bert, it was a very exciting day. >> how high does it go? once the difference between this
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and high altitude airplane flight? >> well, it's many, many times higher than a high-altitude plane. we're going into space about 30 miles actually into space. >> wow. >> and that's a long -- that's a long way. >> yes, sir, it is. what's the safety? have you done it? will you do it? are you getting on this bird? >> i will be getting on the first official flight. until then we will have astro north putting it through its places so my children, my parents will go on the first official flight. and then a lot of astronauts who signed up and follow on. the challenge is to, you know, the concern of the $200,000, which i completely understand, our challenge is try to get the price down to a level over the next couple of decades where, you know, your children and grandchildren can think, would i like to go to europe or would i like to go to space?
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and that i think -- that's an aim which we set ourselves and they which they think will be able to accomplish. >> christian, i want to know if you offer a press discount of any kind on that $200,000? >> sorry, i think something's gone wrong with the phone here. hello? >> thank you very much. enjoy your time on the island relaxing or not. i'm sure there is. thank you, sir. >> hello? >> bye, richard. but we're just getting started this hour. we'll get a discount out of him yet. just got to get him on a hard line. coming up -- a "morning meeting" exclusive, the bipartisan breakthrough that can finally bring real choice, real competition, real patient/doctor driven reform into the senate health care bill. we will talk with both a republican, susan collins, and a democrat, ron wyden, together in public. first time this has happened in months. first time this has happened ever. what's their plan? here after this. (announcer) time brings new wisdom
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well, as we all know in the months of health care debate in this country, thus far, rarely if ever, have we seen republican and democratic senators stand side by side in any context, let loan in a natural television interview and offer bipartisan solutions to the problems of our ailing and outdated health care system. one who's basic template was drawn in the middle of world war ii. right now on "the morning meeting," we have that opportunity and we are honored to have it. here to talk exclusively to us and you all about three joint amendments these two are following today, republican senator susan collins from maine and all the way across the country, senator ron wyden from oregon. we have the corners covered.
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it's a pleasure to have both of you with us. thank you. ron, i will begin with you, senator, talk to us about what it is you're attempting to achieve. what is the attempt the three amendments of the day? >> dylan, what we want to do is make sure that americans have the choice to have a choice. this is not mandatory, and what we want to emphasize is that americans are looking for common sense-ideas. they don't care whether it's a democratic idea or a republican idea. they are looking for ways to hold down their health care costs. looking for ways to hold down their premiums. if you're a single mom say in maine or oregon, you're not interested in some kind of ideology. you want more competition, more choice in the marketplace. senator collins and are i teaming up to give that to you. >> senator collins, what specifically is it about this set of amendments you found to compelling that you were willing to step into the bipartisan theater in public as you have
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today? >> well, both ron and i were very concerned that the bill could actually increase the cost of insurance for many americans. so our goal was to provide more affordable choices. i also felt strongly that the american people have really tired of the partisan bickering in washington. they want us to come together, particularly on an issue that affects every single american in this country. so that's what we have done with our proposal to get more affordable choices to employers and to individuals who are buying insurance on their own. >> and i'm interested, this is a question -- >> it's going on -- >> go ahead, senator. >> what's going on is a lot of people think that just because you can go to the exchange, your employer is at the exchange, you're automatically going to have choices. that's not the way it works. you're employer will be able to
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make the choice, but you weren't going to have the choices without what senator collins and i are talking about. what we would like to do is say if the employer wants to empower the individuals to have more choices, the employer, the individual, families will have those kinds of opportunities. it's a tax write-off for the employer. if they give the voucher, it's tax-free to the worker but at the end of the day, it's what you have been talking about on this show, which is the substantive idea of more freedom, more opportunity for individuals to hold insurance companies accountable and their premiums down. >> senator collins, have you had a response from some of your republican colleagues to this amendment and your decision to create a bipartisan representation for an agenda on health care? >> i believe that my republican colleagues recognize that there are a lot of problems with this bill that's been evident in the debate, and look at ron's and my effort to combine forces as
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trying to tackle in a constructive way one of the many issues involved with the bill. i don't think that any of my colleagues thinks that our amendment solve all of the problems but they recognize that it's a good-faith effort to give more choice. let me give you a specific example that i hope will have widespread support. what we're saying is that if an individual does not receive a taxpayer subsidy, that individual should be able to buy a wider choice of insurance policies than is allowed currently under the bill. we also want to give small employers more access to buying policies on the exchange. again, more competition, larger risk pulls. that should help hold down prices. >> yep, but -- >> that should be something we should all support. >> clearly, last question for
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you senator wideydewyden, where you run into resistance? if luke at a plan that said we will create more personal power with a voucher employer so employers can pass the power onto me and i can buy the exchange so the subsidy goes around? catastrophic coverage here, if they simply need the option to to protect themselves from a catastrophic event. we will have that option and some sort of structure to prevent insurance companies from basically price gouging, using a system we won't get into right now but i'm sure will be debated. it basically uses incentives in a tax structure to prevent price gouging. all of this seems rational if you believe in a free market and choice and all of the rest of it, which again is a very american ideal, where is the resistance to this, senator wyden? >> i think, dylan, we're always up against some who are resistant to new ideas. but when you can come forward in this town and thank goodness
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you're willing to air these ideas, because, frankly, there aren't a lot of folks doing that and you're saying this is common sense, there really hasn't been a marketplace in american health care for decades. we are not forcing particular requirements on employers or individuals. but at the end of the day, the collins/wyden effort is saying if you want to have the choice to have a choice, employers, individuals, and families, working moms who are getting hammered who in eugene, oregon or roseburg, oregon, we're going to make that available to you and hold insurance companies accountable. even the insurance previsions are all about a marketplace approach, not big government, a marketplace approach. >> understood, senator collins. thank you very much for giving us a piece of your morning. senator collins thank you very much for giving us a piece of your morning. best of luck in attempting to resurrect the most basic american principle, marketplace and equal opportunity for everybody not to get price
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gouged and to be able to select the program that is best for them. we can do that with our car insurance, please, we can figure out to do it with our health insurance. straight ahead, we take a momentary break. yes, as if this entire wasn't this already, a palm tree around the world could stand in the way of our economic recovery. how is that possible? we're back after this. green beans. corn. corn. [ female announcer ] it's the most wonderful time of the year, and walmart's here to help. i really should make lists. [ female announcer ] people who spent $100 a week at leading national supermarkets on frequently purchased groceries could've saved $165 in 3 months by shopping at walmart. christmas costs less at walmart. save money. live better. walmart.
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today's "reality check" takes us to a faraway landed. but unfortunately, it is not fairy tale. kingdom of dubai hit on hard times as you heard and nothing illustrates this more than a little google earth. courtesy of our friends at business insider, this is what they have found. you all probably heard of the palm tree -- palm tree shaped manmade luxury island created by one of the dubai government's
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investment vehicles. well, this is a satellite image of its bigger sister, the barely built palm jebel ali. and guess what? since the dubai government has asked for an emergency extension of its massive loans, it looks like it won't be finished any time soon. so why should we care about a problem in that part of the problem, a sinking island? well, because now widespread fear of a -- of dubai's bankruptcy may make the cost of government and even large corporation go higher, since the strapped lenders are increasingly fearful their loans will not be repaid by dubai and elsewhere and it not just dubai. other nations like brazil and india, who rely on borrowing to growth are susceptible and growing nations like japan, united states and germany, could have trouble covering their
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debts in the coming years in indeed the perceived risk of failure continue to rise and as a result interest rates start to rise again. all of this will only add to the headwinds preventing job growth across the world. which means we probably won't be seeing too many more manmade palm-tree shaped resort islands in the near future. another reason to fix the banking system. we are back here next on "the morning meeting," divided over jobs and how to create them. the president wants to throw more money at the problem. critics say enough is enough. i say plug the hole with the banking system first. what are you people thinking? what's the answer? we will ask maryland's government martin o'malley, who ha his own ideas to get people back to work in his own state after this. with prego, it's all about the sauce. in a blind taste test, more people preferred prego over bertolli. the sweet and savory taste of prego. it's in there.
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about a half hour from now the treasury secretary of our country will be back on the hill for more grilling. this time facing more questions about the handling of the $700 billion bailout and for that matter the multitrillion backdoor from the feds. all of these things. he's going to try to explain to the congressional oversight problem why the white house wants to extend the t.a.r.p. program until next october. geithner's goal to focus new spending on helping small businesses and at-risk homeowners. that's the rhetoric. republicans say enough with the spending already. >> it's clear this administration just doesn't get it. the truth is the american people
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knee we can't borrow and spend and bail our way back to a growing economy. yesterday the president said -- >> instead republicans want -- you guessed it -- tax cuts for families and small business iz and they say any leftover t.a.r.p. money should pay down our deficit, which is currently at $12 trillion and counting. nobody's talking about plugging the hole in the banking system, where the money gets sucked out now or wanedfall tax which was acknowledged by the brits in acknowledge of support. that's for another day. democrats pushing to use more than $200 billion in unused t.a.r.p. funds to create jobs here. again, what kind of bang of taxpayers gotten so far for their buck when you have the massive hole in the bucket and the inefficiencies of the systems? the government's own website, recovery.org, says that $a158.7 billion in stimulus money saved or created about 640,000 jobs. sounds like a big number.
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taxpayer cost per job, something around a quarter million dollars per job. you rest assured, that's not what those jobs bpay. we did our own number crunching, and for a little more money and about $60,000, a direct payment would have been 3 million jobs. but then again we want to make sure we recapitalize the banks so they get those bonuses and recycle through the government. you get it. the republicans say that's enough. again, you can knock a couple of points off the entire unemployment rate at this point in the most barbaric sense to get people a job. we bring in the governor of maryland, martin o'malley, who is nav ghating all of these problems on the ground. we all know how this works, governor and you're living it. >> do we really? >> we have the tax short fall from the slowdown, a budget that you have to meet, have you stimulus money coming in, some of which is simply used toeduca
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sorts of things. what is your view about creating jobs in your state? >> i think we all need to be about create be more jobs. the government is not a solution. there's never been a government program ever designed that's as important as a job for a family. but the fact of the matter, dylan, i think we have short memories. we talk about plugging holes in the banking and financial system. eight months ago most economists were talking about how we were headed to a second grade depression. for all of the criticisms about t.a.r.p., the fact of the matter is, president obama has been very effective in stabilizing the larger institutions. now what we need to do is get the credit flowing on main street to the same extent we're able to stabilize wall street. so here in maryland, in three of the last six months, we created more jobs than we lost. >> let's take a couple intervals because there's so much to recover. are you suggesting to using the taxpayer money to bail out the financial system and doing nothing of reforming the
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practice of no capital requirements, no money required, for the banks to lend money, which is how they were making it? nrz, what i'm criticizing not the bailout, but the delivery of windfall profits that was alter on the premises of massive insurance fraud. i don't see how you can create economic activity going forward, when half of your economy, which is your banking system, which predicated on collecting insurance money with home loan payments and car payments with the swaps markets but they can't pay the bill so that goes to the taxpayer. how is that helping america? >> have you to do both, dylan. >> no contest. >> i think the president is asking -- i thip itnk it's aski lot we could accomplish all of these reforms within eight months. he regulatory reforms still have to go on.
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in the meantime americans throughout our country on main street are hurting because of a lack of jobs. so we need to keep at this. >> >> right. >> we need to get credit circulating to small businesses. because in our state and probably true in every state of the union, three out of five jobs are created and suit ported by small and family-owned businesses. that's why with the repayment of the t.a.r.p. dollars we need to reinvest that so small businesses can add employment and stand. we need to stabilize our state and fiscal businesses as well. we are not ripping up the rug by laying off fire chiefs and teachers. >> governor, i wonder if you have an opinion on the windfall taxes on bankers' bonuses, which britain announced yesterday? wouldn't that be a way to raise a money to give to the states to use so you can create more jobs in maryland? >> could be. those regulatory reforms with
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regard to bonuses and payouts are clearly things we need to do. what i'm focused on creating as many jobs as we possibly can as quickly as we can. that's why the repayment of the t.a.r.p. dollars has given us an opportunity to spur job creation. to see unemployment drop from 10.2% to 10% was a good thing but we still have a long way to go. >> hold on. it was a good thing. we have to wrap this up. what's missed is the number of people that rolled off of the end of the unemployment rolls onto the emergency unemployment rolls under george bush and president obama exploded last week. nr in other words, there's a hidden number, hundreds of thousands of people who have been out of work more than a year who has stopped collecting unemployment but gone yo to emergency benefits as that goes up and people looking for work goes down. i will let you go, governor, but
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i would love to have you back very soon. i think the states themselves -- that's where you see what's happening with the job market and what budgets in this country. joining "the meeting" now here, republican congressman mike kauffman from colorado. he introduced a resolution to free up capital for small business lending. he thinks we're focusing too much on too big to fail and not enough on small business. walk us through your thinking. >> first of all, i think this administration and the speaker of the house, their economic policy is focused on bailouts for big business, big labor and big government. small businesses, the job creator for this country, i think we know that, and small businesses have not had access to credit and it's choked off job creation. so what my proposal seeks to do is bring attention in the congress we immediate more of a balanced regulatory policy. that the small banks or paying for the sins of the larger banks. >> i think that's a really good
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point. what do you think is the most effective way to improve credit for small business? because with the securitization market freezing up, they have been having a much harder time getting money. >> i think we certainly need to look at that issue. but i just think that we have come down -- the regulators have just come down too hard on small banks in terms of just fairly significant increase in their capital requirements, that has tan money that was available for lending away from that. so we need a more balanced regulatory approach. my proposal tends to bring that forward. but i think the credit is the big issue for small business. but i've got to tell you, when a small business owner in colorado or any where else in this country and is with a small business owner for continue year looks at the policy of the democrat-led congress, what do they see? a government hf led health care program that will put burdens on
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them if they can't afford insurance. they see energy costs on them. there's no good news for small business in this country when it comes to this democrat-led congress and the white house. >> we should open a new bank. i hear you can get a lot of money. thanks for the time. we appreciate you paying us a visit. i want to take one more reality check here. this time, it is hitting the british bankers where it hurts, in its bonus checks in the british crackdown on bankers he bonuses. the british government is placing a tax on all bonuses $40,000 or greater, i wonder if that's pounds? this applies to all banks in the uk. whether they took the bailout or not, the design is capture the windfall gains that all of the bankers are experiencing regardless of the bailout by virtue of the support provided by the industry last year.
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it's why you have a windfall task. if an industry is too big to fail and it requires windfall support and it gets windfall profits, you don't pay the money to the idiots who created situation, you take the money back and still have a stabilized banking system. meanwhile, here in the u.s., they have i windfall tax swreshgs a pay czar. capping the banks who took the largest amounts of bailout money. what if the u.s. were to follow the lead of its british counterparts and impose a windfall tax on bank bonuses? far more rational. after a $24 trillion taxpayer-funded bailout last year, wall street is about to have its most profitable year ever. at least the few firms that remain. an estimated $140 billion in bonuses are expected to be showered upon wall street this year alone. that doesn't mention the billions paid to bank ceos and
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board members over the past decade in the process of perpetrating their multitrillion insurance fraud against the american people. how would this year's bank bonuses be affected if our government were to step up like the uk? windfall support, windfall profit, windfall tax? not that clazy. look at the anticipated bonus breakdown at some of the top wall street firms this year. slap their $140 billion in bonuses with a 50% tax. i will argue for a higher rate at a different time. you will look at $70 billion being returned to the taxpayer just at the uk rate. i know that does not come close to replacing the money the bank's ceo stole perpetrating the fraud, nor does it replace the lost wealth for so many good homeowners and good employees who lost their jobs and their homes because of the recession caused by the financial speculation. boy, that windfall profits tax would be a heck of a good place to talk.
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the darker details of tiger's love life keeps on coming. perfect topic for "trend or talker." it's one that you can't help saying really? really? yes, really. our topic today, he used to be compared to golf greats like jack nicklaus or greg norman. but there are new tiger trends emerging. weighing in from the "financial times" and peter alexander who's been following the tiger saga. what a saga it is. our first tiger comparison comes from right wing talk show host glenn beck who suggests parallels between woods and o.j. simpson. take a listen. >> do you believe tiger woods may actually be o.j. simpson? >> i think the thing with o.j. was the murder, wasn't it?
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when you say o.j. -- >> there was a woman taken to the hospital at o.j. -- i'm sorry, tiger woods' house. >> nobody believes it was assault. >> i'm not saying it was assault or anything else. tiger, it's getting out of control. >> we're starting to lose control here. >> talk about jumping the shark over the abyss. out of line. i thought that was actually outrageous. tiger is not the world's ideal that's been right. and to compare him to someone who is notorious for a murder -- >> a murder, which was somebody who was known for sexual pick adillios. >> what do they have in common? >> they're both african-american. >> famous black athletes. >> that's what that was. had nothing to do with anything else. our next unexpected tiger comparison comes from another radio personality rush limbaugh, linking woods to the president but not in a good way. >> black unemployment is terrible. the black frame of mind is terrible. they're depressed. obama not doing anything for
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them. how is that hoax and change working for you? they're all living and i'm sure tiger woods' choice of females is not helping him out with their -- with their attitudes their either. >> you hear that and glenn beck and wonder when did this become about race? for a lot of americans, this is about something going on the side. something we used to hold up to a high-achieving family family. maybe it's black and bhwhite. >> i would say racism of rush limbaugh and glenn beck than tiger woods. finally, a comparison that could be just around the corner? is tiger the next levi johnston? there's talk of a "playboy" connection. you remember this picture. there it is. oh, baby. now, well, according to "the new york daily news" "playboy" said it has equally steamy pics of your good friend tiger as the french like to say au naturel.
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"playboy" said they want to make sure the pictures before they publish them, which is to say p you know what i mean. the new comparison. not these. >> these are definitely just a talker. but has tiger tarnished his brand? of course he has. >> clearly. >> i'm looking forward to those "playgirl" pictures. >> i'm sure they will sell. >> tiger's going to get back on the golf course, win some events. all of a sudden we'll be talking about tiger the golf star again. this isn't going to go away. other guys have been in worse situations. kobe bryant, although acquitted, still the biggest name in basketball. >> we've got an issue for another day which is the peccadillos for public figures. >> no crimes committed, totally personal. straight ahead, michelle obama's kitchen confidential. our "morning meeting" special guest, the man behind the meal served up at the white house dinner. acclaimed chef dishes the dirt on what the first lady cut from the menu after this.
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we know about the white house state dinner, but what wasn't on the menu, and how does the first lady feel about those party crashers? celebrity sheriff marcus responsible for the delicious dishes, you can cook your own state dinner in his cookbook if you want. i don't know if it's true or not. >> a lot of dinners are in there. >> i can make my own state dinner. >> i don't know if you can do it but somebody could cook it. >> somebody could. >> the cornbread, lots of stuff. >> were you breaking plates? what was going on? >> the beautiful clinton china and the bush china, and i broke some of the bush china. i didn't mean to. >> you sure? >> it was absolutely an accident. >> what was your relationship with the first lady on the evening of the event? >> well, you know, she was extremely gracious. she said the dinner went really well. and i was nervous. it was a big dinner. i didn't want to be the guy to mess up that dinner. >> was she in there pretasting saying too salty? >> a couple before. and then afterwards she really said this was a fantastic
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dinner. it made me and my team happy. >> there were things she didn't want on the menu, though. >> we started off with salmon, should i do some chicken? no, no, no. it has to be indian, has to be american. so the first, i wanted to do tandoori smoked salmon. that didn't come on the menu. >> why not? >> salmon is too swedish. i think we got a good menu end of the day. >> last question, it's a huge moment for you, you think the big news, you've got a whole thing, local food. >> absolutely. >> plant your garden, regis, you're going to be on every show and then -- >> just like the part at your house -- >> yes. >> -- too many people showed up. >> too many people showed up. >> just like at your house. >> was the first lady, like, who are these people? >> i think she was extremely classy and focused on the dinner. >> congratulations and we look forward to hearing more about where this country and world ought to be headed and where the first lady think we ought to be headed. >> it was great for my staff. thank you. >> marcus samuelsson, the book
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plus, a real-life fast and the furious in hollywood. how this wild chase ends. good thursday morning, everyone. i'm contessa brewer. 10:00 on the east coast, 7:00 on the west and we have a big hour ahead. thank you for joining us. the big news we're watching this hour, the president's big prize. one of the world's most prestigious awards and the president acknowledges the controversy and criticism over his receipt of the nobel peace prize. >> in part, this is because i am at the beginning and not the end of my labors on the world stage. compared to some of the giants of history who have received this prize, schweitzer and king, marshall and mandela, my accomplishments are slight. >> nbc's chief white house correspondent chuck todd is traveling with the president in oslo, norway. >> reporter: well, good morning, contessa, or here in oslo, good
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afternoon. president obama is now officially a nobel laureate. he has received the peace prize, and he used his acceptance speech to do three big things that have been hovering over the president ever since he received this prize. number one, he dealt right off the bat with this idea that he wasn't yet deserving. he admitted that compared to folks like nelson mandela and martin luther king jr., his accomplishments were slight. but then he spent almost the entire rest of the speech making the case for a just war. so here was a president in front of a committee that has devoted itself for a century for promoting peace. didn't hand out a peace prize, for instance, during world war i and much of world war ii. listening to their most recent recipient of a peace prize, making the case for a just war. obviously, the decision by president obama having to send 30,000 troops into the war in afghanistan just days ago was front and center when he wrote this speech. the president still had an idealistic tone to him, but you might want to describe it as
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idealistic realism. and it really did underscore the foreign policy that he campaigned for when he was a candidate and what he believes is the foreign policy he's implementing now as president of the united states. he did accept the award in an aspirational sense and seems to believe that this speech is something that he hopes will stand the test of time of history. contessa, back to you. >> chuck todd reporting there. msnbc political analyst pat buchanan joins me from washington and joan walsh, editor in chief of salon.com. great to have both of you. first off, to come right out on the stage and almost at the very beginning of the speech to acknowledge that there are a lot of critics, and not just in this country, but critics globally who think, it was too soon for president obama to be receiving this award. does it make it all better, joan? >> i don't know if it makes it all better, contessa, but i was really impressed by how quickly he got into that.
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he even called his own achievements slight besides the great achievements of a king or a mandela. i thought that humility is going to play very well. but i was also struck, i thought it was a terrific speech, a bold speech. i am not a supporter of his escalation in afghanistan at all, but i thought that it took a lot of bravery to go into this peace prize ceremony and really lay out what his concept of a just war is and really talk about sometimes human rights must be won with arms, with military force. i didn't particularly expect that, but i think it's going to silence a lot of the naysayers who say he goes over to europe and he bows and he apologizes. it was very strong. >> and it's such a contradiction, you're right, to admit, yes, you're the commander in chief of two wars, and there were no apologies. let me play it, pat, and then i'll come back to you. >> whatever mistakes we have made, the plain fact is this. the united states of america has helped underwrite global security for more than six
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decades with the blood of our citizens. and the strength of our arms. we have borne this burden not because we seek to impose our will. we have done so out of enlightened self-interest. because we seek a better future for our children and grandchildren, and we believe that their lives will be better if other's children and grandchildren can live in freedom and progression perity. >> pat, we're standing on the precipice here. we need global allies. if we're going to win hearts and mind in the muslim world, if we're going to actively end the islamic fundamentalist threat against the safety of not just americans but people around the world, did he make an active, effective case? >> i think president obama, he may not have deserved the prize, but this is certainly a high-quality nobel prize speech. i thought he was eloquent.
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he was erudite, humble. why his country used violence in the past and why that's necessary sometimes and why there are just wars. i thought it was very presidential. we have here an individual, i think, who really is different from the candidate who was full of hope and expectation and somewhat utopian who has spent a year now and who seems very much a realist, very much understanding the problems and difficulties in the world. i just thought it was a terrific speech. it was scholarly. i think it was barack obama at his best, and i hope it's true that he wrote the whole thing. >> there's another thing that i -- i don't know. i found it odd to criticize the president for receiving the award. if you have a problem with it, criticize the selection committee. but that being said, here's president obama on a world stage. do you think, pat, that it may actually motivate him even more? when you get this kind of prize early on in your political career, that it motivates you to
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live up to it? >> well, i think that's certainly true, but, look. the president made this decision on afghanistan. and joan and i may not agree with exactly what he did. maybe he should have taken another course. but here is a man who clearly takes a look at that speech, has sat down and thought this through from every possible angle. he knows how difficult it is and what the costs are of escalating and what the costs are of pulling out prematurely. and it's mature in that sense. it's a speech of a very mature president. >> yeah. and joan, who was the more important audience, the global audience or the ones here at home? >> well, i think right now when he's being hammered at home, honestly, contessa, the home audience is important. he was getting a lot of criticism both for receiving the award. i've heard people criticize him for merely going, that he shouldn't have received it. he kind of couldn't win there. and i think it was -- i think it was a very important global speech, but more important at home. i don't know if pat agrees with me on this, but i actually felt like this was a better defense of his afghanistan strategy than
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the speech at west point which i think is interesting. >> yeah, very. >> i think that's right. and i think in defense of his country, what's eloquent. and he did not apologize. he said, look, we have a fine record. we have made mistakes, but overall we have an outstanding record, perhaps the greatest in the world. that's what his countrymen want to hear. they know we've made mistakes. >> it's a good reminder for our allies around the world that we certainly have been there for them throughout the decades as well. pat, joan, i thank you both. >> thanks. >> thank you. right now on capitol hill treasury secretary tim geithner is trying to explain why he wants to expand the tarn until next fall. he's talking to the congressional oversight panel about that $700 billion bank bailout program. and he may face some tough questions on his handling of t.a.r.p. so far. a new report from the panel finds the bailout helped save the economy but has fallen far short of expectations. also on capitol hill, a senate committee is about to look at some faa initiatives to keep flyers safe. this hearing's getting under way.
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yesterday the tsa suspended five employees for their roles in leaking a training manual for airport screeners. we'll keep our eye on this hearing. south carolina governor mark sanford has dodged impeachment, but lawmakers are calling for a formal rebuke for his affair with his argentinean mistress. a statehouse panel said sanford's affair brought ridicule and dishonor to the state. but his offenses like using taxpayer dollars to fund that trip to argentina, that they don't merit removal from office. that's according to the oversight panel. they say the republican governor, though, should resign. the governor's es strained wife, jenny, spoke out about the ordeal with barbara walters. >> i had asked mark to leave without permission to see his woman in argentina or to see her anywhere. and he was to have no contact with the boys or myself for 30 days. and my hope was that he would wake up from whatever he was in the throes of and maybe see what he might lose. >> sanford's approval in the state has dropped to just 36% in
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a new poll. the sponsors of a gay marriage bill in new jersey have withdrawn it from a vote. the state senate was supposed to vote on it today, but democratic senators raymond lezniak and another senator pulled the plug. they say they want it to to go to the general assembly first where support is believed to be stronger. ten inches of snow buried upstate new york in the season's first major winter storm. that blizzard killed one person in that area. nationwide, the massive weather system has caused more than a dozen deaths, mass power outages and hundreds of school closings. the weather channel's julie martin has more. she's in east aurora, new york, and how are things looking right now? >> reporter: yeah, the east certainly getting its turn with this storm, contessa, as we speak. a major lake-effect event already under way here in east aurora about 20 miles south of buffalo. this is where one of those bands is really going to be hitting hard throughout the day into the evening hours. not really letting up too much. and by the time it's all said and done, we could see a foot of snow or more here.
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now, already we've seen three to four inches on the ground. the sidewalk, by the way, was shovelled about two hours ago. and if you pan down just a little bit there, you can see that it's already starting to pile up. the winds are also going to come into play here. we could be seeing tropical storm force winds upwards of -- gusts upwards of 60 miles an hour. so that coupled with all of this light snow, light, not heavy snow, i should say, is really going to be throwing it up on the roadways, making travel almost impossible for people here along the great lakes, contessa. >> okay. so when you say "light snow," you mean it's fluffy, not heavy and wet. >> reporter: you're right. >> there's a lot of it up there, too. at least that makes it easier if you've got to go out and shovel, you're not going to break a back doing that kind of snow. >> reporter: yeah. just like those folks out there. but there's still a lot of it. >> all right, julie, thanks. rescue crews in northern arizona are racing to find more than 30 hunters who were stranded in the snow after more than 20 inches blanketed the
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state. the csheriff's office received 1 reports of stranded hunters. the reports came from family members and other hunters in the area. so now they're going to prioritize those searches based on the estimated threat and the size of the missing parties. one death and dozens of accidents have been confirmed there already. 60-mile-an-hour winds swept through new mexico hitting the town especially hard. trees landed on homes. one couple said six trees landed on top of their cabin. power lines plummeted to the ground. families have been without electricity and in some cases without heat since yesterday. so those people have to go and find other places to stay. it's too cold to stay where you don't have heat. a 911 call you have to hear to believe. a woman shot and killed an intruder while on the phone to the emergency operator. we're going to play the call for you. and then how do you go from being a dental student in washington, d.c., to a terror suspect in pakistan in five
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students from america stand accused of trying to join the jihad. justice correspondent pete williams breaks down the bizarre chain of events that the fbi has on the ground this morning in pakistan. plus, a country divided over how to fix the jobs crisis. the president wants to throw t.a.r.p. money at the problem. republicans say, hey, stop that gravy train. we'll talk to the reverend jesse jackson who's urging congress to spend until jobs come back. this is msnbc, the place for politics. principles of td ameritrade. it means you help investors... you don't just sell them. it means no hidden agenda. td ameritrade always has...always will... put the investor-- you--first. that's how they work. that's how they deliver objective investing help. that's what td ameritrade stands for. what does your investment firm stand for? it's time for fresh thinking. it's time for td ameritrade.
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another tough day of questions for the top general in afghanistan. st stanley mcchrystal and karl eikenberry. they're testifying and both men said they believe the surge could lead to victory even given the relatively short timetable.
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a new "new york times" poll shows americans split on whether u.s. forces can keep terrorists from using afghanistan as a safe haven. 48% say they can. 42% say it won't be enough. this morning britain's defense secretary said he's confident nato's mission can be finished in a reasonable time, but he insisted afghan forces need to start taking control of their own country. a disturbing story developing out of pakistan. four young americans under arrest. officials suspect them of trying to link up with extremist groups. nbc news is learning they were seeking jihad training, and they had met with militant leaders. pete williams is nbc news justice correspondent. so what's the next step for investigators? >> well, the next step is to try to decide what charges to file against these five, four of them american citizens, one of them a foreign national, all of them from the d.c. area going to school. some graduate school, some undergraduates, and they went in
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two separate trips to pakistan. some of them, four of them, left in mid-november, the other in early december. and apparently they went to a home there that was occupied by the father of one of these young men. now, it's still not clear how these young men met, whether they came together in a mosque here, whether they somehow otherwise met, but in any event, they decided finally, according to the pakistani authorities, to go to pakistan and try to get jihad training from a banned militant group in pakistan. but according to the pakistani authorities, after meeting with the leaders of this jihadi group, they were turned down because they had no experience, no training, and there were doubts about their sincerity and who they really were. it just didn't work out. so it was a mission they had to try to go there with no training or no background in jihad and sort of sign up. and it didn't work. and we've seen this happen before. we're told that the pakistanis have questioned them, the fbi is now questioning them, and the
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next step here will be deciding what charges to file against them. the u.s. could pursue a common charge in these cases which is material support to a terror organization, even though ultimately this didn't work out. >> all right. well, thank you for keeping your eye on it, and i know you're staying on top of any future developments, pete. thanks. >> you bet. roman polanski's legal team will begin its battle against prosecutors courtroom today. as he enters his second week of house arrest in switzerland, his lawyers will ask a california appeals court to dismiss that 1977 child sex conviction. they claim polanski was not given a fair trial at the time of the crime more than 30 years ago. but the court is likely more interested in whether the appeal should be dismissed. citigroup plans to pay back some of its taxpayer-funded bailouts. cnbc is reporting an announcement could come today. citigroup plans to raise up to $20 billion in a stock offering to help pay back part of its $45 billion bailout.
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yesterday bank of america announced it has fully repaid its $45 billion government loan. debates beginning in the house today on the most sweeping changes to financial regulations since the great depression. the reforms include broad government powers over large banks and curbs on executive pay. and a new report out today finds the nation's foreclosure rate fell to its lowest level since february. realty track says 306,000 americans received a foreclosure notice last month, that's down 8% from a month earlier. but still 18% higher from a year ago. checking the markets right now, the dow jones industrial average is up almost 49 points. the s&p is up 5, and the nasdaq is looking good, up more than 10.5. it may be tough times around the country, but in hollywood, the cash registers are ringing. a new box office record has been set as domestic ticket sales head beyond $10 million for the first time. with potential blockbusters like robert downey jr.'s "sherlock holmes" and james cameron's
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"avatar," hollywood.com estimates the movie industry will finish the year with $10.6 billion in sales. that would be about $1 billion more than the previous record year which was 2007. straight ahead, a 911 call you won't forget as a woman confronts a man trying to break into her home. >> i don't want to have to kill this man, but i'll kill him graveyard dead, ma'am. >> a life-and-death decision made by that homeowner, all of it captured on a 911 recording next on msnbc. if possible, reduce your company's debt before asking for additional capital. be prepared to provide detailed financials. and try to increase your savings. greater cash on hand will make you look more desirable to a lending institution. for more, watch "your business"
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specifically he said rival politicians have stopped him. in china, heavy fog is causing tons of problems for drivers. this video was taken in the northern part of the country. visibility is down to 200 yards in some places, causing massive delays. and in some places forcing highways completely to shut down. well, and here's some interesting pictures. we're getting these from norway. this was taken at a norwegian military base and shows a strange light in the sky that appeared just before dawn wednesday morning. official agencies have now examined the video. they think the light's from a russian ballistic missile. hello. in today's "hot shots," a hollywood high-speed pursuit. police were chasing a honda and three suspects in north hollywood. cops performed a pitt maneuver on a local street and the car spun out of control. officers quickly surrounded the vehicle and arrested the driver and passengers and they face a list of charges. now to rhode island where a live power line fell on a police cruiser and trapped the officer inside. heavy snow snapped off a tree limb which then took down a
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power line. touching any metal could have become deadly for the officer. so the cops stayed in the car about two hours before the power company disconnected the power. an unbelievable story out of oklahoma. a 911 tape has been released that captures a woman confronting an intruder at her home. the woman was armed and had to make a life-or-death decision about whether to shoot. all while on the phone to the emergency operator. the "today" show correspondent amy robach joins us. set the scene for me. >> she was home alone and heard someone knocking at her door. this woman, donna jackson, called 911 and tried to get some help. but police didn't come in time, and she said, "i'm going to have to take matters into my own hands." >> reporter: at first donna jackson was calm and steady when she called 911 to report that a
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man was trying to break into her home. armed with a .16-gauge shotgun, donna told the dispatcher she was ready to do whatever it takes. >> i don't want to have to kill this man, but i'll give him graveyard dead, ma'am. >> i understand. >> reporter: authorities say the suspect, 53-year-old billy dee riley had crashed his truck and was high on drugs when he tried to break into donna's rural oklahoma home. >> picked up a table that she had on her patio and used it to smash out the glass in the sliding patio door. >> ma'am, he got through the house. i'm going to shoot. >> oh, god. >> ma'am, hurry. dear god, hurry. i haven't shot yet. hurry. >> oh, my god. >> i shot him. i'm going out front. i hit him. oh, god help me. oh, please dear god. i think i've killed him. please father in heaven. please father in heaven. >> reporter: when emergency crews arrived, riley was
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pronounced dead. officials say the shooting was justified, and the 911 dispatcher who stayed on the phone with donna said she did what she had to do. >> it's okay, ma'am. it's okay. >> i'm so sorry. >> ma'am, i know. it's okay. there's nothing you could do. you had to protect yourself. >> and that dispatcher told a local television station the hardest part for her was hearing donna jackson plead for forgiveness after she shot that man, contessa. >> what's unbelievable is apparently prosecutors have looked at this. and in oklahoma there are special laws that protect homeowners if they're forced into taking action that protects their own lives. >> that's correct. in fact, the name of that law is the stand your ground law. and it does allow for homeowners to shoot an intruder. and this was, according to all of those who investigated this story, a clear indication of this woman trying to protect her home and trying to protect herself, more importantly. she was clearly scared. and i think what's really notable is on that 911 call, you can hear the remorse if her voice. but she said this is what i'm going to have to do.
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and the dispatcher said, i understand. >> she's just distraught and has declined to comment because she's feeling for the man's family. >> understandable. >> thank you for bringing thus story. a democratic congressman has a very direct message for former vice president dick cheney. and he revealed it on msnbc's "hardball." also, a growing war of words between al gore and sarah palin. the former alaska governor is now responding to what al gore had to say about her global warming views. catch that? new jobless numbers out today. i'll talk with reverend jesse jackson who has some demands for president obama when it comes to dealing with the unemployment crisis. e prescriptions. your walgreens pharmacist also dispenses wisdom... to help you make the right health care decisions. like understanding medicare part d. we'll walk you through a free plan comparison report... to guide you to the most cost-effective... and comprehensive plan, whether you're new to medicare part d... or you've been covered for a while. so stop in and stay well. cheese!
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welcome back to msnbc. i'm contessa brewer. and the senate is back at work today taking up a measure that would allow americans to buy low-cost prescription drugs from canada and other countries. meantime last hour on "morning meeting" with dylan ratigan. democratic senator ron wyden and
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susan collins provided amendments to the bill. they would provide more choices for employers and workers, a catastrophic coverage option, and an incentive for insurers to keep premiums low. >> americans are looking for common-sense ideas. they don't care whether it's a democratic idea or a republican idea. they're looking for ways to hold down their health care costs. they're looking for ways to hold down their premiums. if you're a single mom, say, in maine or oregon, you're not interested in some kind of ideology. >> well, nbc's luke russert is on capitol hill this morning. ron wyden has been pushing for more choice from the get-go and yet has not seen a lot of acceptance in the legislation that stands. are you getting any earlier reaction to these amendments? >> reporter: well, some democrats i've talked to this morning and even a republican both said that they were very optimistic that there's at least some sort of bipartisanship going on right now, contessa. we haven't had a lot of this in the health care debate.
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both sides have really been entrenched into what they believe. and there is some, i guess, spirited excitement amongst tokes up here on capitol hill that maybe these two sides could work together at least with senator collins from maine and senator snowe from maine. that being said, we don't expect to see a lot more bipartisanship the rest of the way on health care. both sides seemed to have staked out their positions. democrats really want to reform the system. republicans want to make the current system better. >> well, and as they wait for the cbo to score the plan that those democrats have come up with, perhaps there is still more maneuvering to do to try and encourage more support from the other side of the aisle. luke russert, thank you. florida congressman allen greyson is garnering quite the reputation for colorful, colloquial and crystal-clear messages. this time the democrat has particularly profane demands for the former vice president, dick cheney. >> on the internet there's an acronym used to apply to situations, it's ftfu. i don't think i can say that on
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the air, but i think you know what that means. >> give me the first part. >> shut. >> oh, i got you. the stop talking in crude language. well, i don't think you're going to get -- >> yeah, well, the spokesman for the national republican congressional committee hit back hard. quote, the foul-mouthed man-child from orlando is at it again. taking to the airwaves to bring shame to struggling central florida families who want jobs, not nut-jobs. war of words here, former vice president and former vice presidential nominee engaged in a battle over climate change. yesterday on "andrea mitchell reports," gol responded to palin's op-ed questioning the science behind climate change saying -- gore is saying that global warming deniers persist in an era of unreality while today palin fired back on twitter, writing, "glad "washington post" ran my op-ed on global warming climategate scandal. amazing to see al gore's denial of the controversy. it's like denying gravity.
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basically using gore's words against him. the president's pushing his plan to put americans back to work. tax incentives for small businesses to hire more employees, a nationwide effort to weatherize homes not only to save energy here but to employ the workers to caulk windows and upgrade insulation. this morning we got another reminder of the grim job picture. the labor department says the number of newly laid-off workers collecting unemployment benefits climbed higher than expected last week to 474,000 people. nationally the unemployment rate stands at 10%. but for african-americans, that rate is 15.6%. and our next guest says that's got to change. i'm joined by reverend jesse jackson, founder of the rainbow push coalition. reverend jackson, good to see you today. >> good morning. >> when we're talking about the number, the overwhelming number, of black americans who are out of work, how do you respond to a president who is trying to tackle the unemployment problem?
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>> well, you know, from wall street we gave them basically a blank check until they sent money back and made huge bonuses. the war in afghanistan was almost a blank check, but for the poor, there has been a hesitation. there are 49 million americans who are unsecure, meaning they are hungry. many of them are seniors who die from malnutrition and can't get medicine. many young people drop out of school, end up in jail, locked out of the labor market. issue one is malnutrition. secondly, the home foreclosure rate is outdistancing the modification. so as people lose their homes to foreclosure, because banks will not restructure loans, then you lose police, teachers, firemen. you've got to stop the hemorrhaging and do some direct government investment which really means redirecting and redeploying the unused stimulus money. >> and some of those are long-term projects. when you're talking about making it easier for kids to go to college, that will pay off, but
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it may pay off in terms of years, not in months. but one of your more short-term ideas -- >> no, no, for the 49 million who are fully insecure, that's short-term -- >> student loans. >> -- but seniors -- >> right, i get that. >> -- that's another dimension. that is to say those students -- make your point, i'm sorry. >> i just wanted to ask you because you had a really clear -- when we're talking about jobs specifically, not necessarily on poverty, in general, but how to put people to work so that they can earn their own living. you're suggesting that the federal government employ directly people who are out of work. doing what? what would you suggest that the federal government employ people to do? >> well, even with the infrastructure the president has committed to, to retrofit houses, that is part of it. for many youth it means direct jobs like cedar jobs. roosevelt wpa jobs. we cannot wait any longer because enemployment lines are growing and the pain, of course,
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is intensifying. i say, number one, enforce civil rights law. banks that got that money should either lend it or lose it. if you just enforce equal employment and -- equal employment, contract compliance, affirmative action, just enforce the law, you begin to have a fabulous boost in those resources. >> one of the other things that the rainbow push coalition -- and i'm quoting from the note we got from your organization -- the banks that got the big bailouts must now loan money to real people. with the profits the big banksters are making and the bonuses they continue to pay their top executives, they can afford to give credit to people who need it to get back on their feet. let me challenge you a little bit on that, reverend jackson, because part of what dragged us into this national abyss was creditors loaning to people who needed it or wanted it rather than to those who could afford it and had a plan to pay it back. are you concerned about going back down that road? >> no, that's not what happened.
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banks targeted students and trusted people. the subprime before prime and then others who got prime who maybe needed subprime. the banks caused the crisis. and why they slowed the structure, they got pmi, private mormg investment, they got 85 insurance against foreclosures. so banks are really making money off foreclosure. many of those banks not getting bailed out -- because they, in fact, are the -- >> are you getting any reaction -- >> they're the chief predators. >> sorry. are you getting any reaction from washington, d.c., about your ideas? >> well, not yet. we're trying to reach mr. geithner about that, for example. the banks that profited from the foreclosure scam are profiting now from the bailout. and they do not face any accountability for their behavior. >> reverend jackson, it's always a pleasure when you join us. thank you, sir. >> thank you. winter storms have ripped through several regions around the country, here several,
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really we're talking about two-thirds of the country having problems. let's go to our meteorologist bill careins, right now where is the worst weather, bill? >> buffalo, new york. >> okay. >> that shouldn't be a big surprise. it's the middle of winter. buffalo by far the coldest, snowiest and windiest place right now. the windchill is what's going to get people's attention for contessa and the rest of us that live in the mid-atlantic and northeast, it hasn't really been that cold yet. that's going to change tomorrow. so be ready. as far as what we're dealing with, the windchill currently and the sun's up in chicago is minus 19. that's how it feels when you step outside. in dallas, it feels like 16. in san antonio, 27. so the windchill is affecting most of the country right now with extremely cold conditions. this is the coldest week we've seen on the west coast in about a decade. we had record lows in many areas. this is coast to coast. and i mention the buffalo area. heavy snow earlier today. and that's lake erie. and it just looks like a hose of heavy lake-effect snow. buffalo southwards.
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they're expecting up to about one to two feet of snow just south of buffalo tonight into tomorrow. in downtown buffalo, a little bit less. the worst of the lake effect will be just to the south of you. new york state throughway, very difficult to get by those lake-effect bands. also the winds are gusting up to 50 miles per hour. here's the breakdown, contessa. today in new york, 40 degrees. temperatures are dropping. this is the high temperature tomorrow. 28. windchill will be about five degrees tomorrow. >> all right. and i'm looking right behind you at the shot of the skaters down on rockefeller plaza. looking good, but, you know, what happens is, in new york city, when it drops below 40 degrees -- >> yes. >> -- it's cold out in the city. but nothing -- nothing like -- i want to tell you, chicagoans, i feel your pain. not literally. just in my head. >> we'll get your opinion tomorrow. a group of connecticut firefighters who won a landmark lawsuit are finally getting their due. a formal promotion ceremony will be held in hartford, connecticut, this afternoon for
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14 firefighters who won a reverse discrimination suit that went all the way to the supreme court. the 13 white firefighters and one hispanic firefighter had sued because the city threw out their test results. they had passed the tests and were due a promotion. the city threw it out because too few other minorities would have been promoted. a wartime president gets the nobel peace prize. president obama addresses the issue on his decision to increase troops in afghanistan right before he accepted this prestigious award. and the president's top man on afghanistan, general stanley mcchrystal, on capitol hill right now defending the policy before a house committee. we're keeping an eye on that hearing and a lot more right here on msnbc. boss:hey, glad i caught you. i was on my way to present ideas about all the discounts we're offering. i've got some catchphrases that'll make these savings even more memorable. gecko: all right... gecko: good driver discounts. now that's the stuff...? boss: how 'bout this? gecko: ...they're the bee's knees? boss: or this? gecko: sir, how 'bout just "fifteen minutes could save you
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well, the president says the details may change, but he insists he's committed to start pulling troops out of afghanistan in july of 2011. obama's comments came after his defense secretary and others indicated that date would mark just the beginning of the drawdown and that the pace would
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be affected by conditions on the ground. after accepting the nobel peace prize today, the president insisted the u.s. needs other nations to help. >> america's commitment to global security will never waver, but in a world in which threats are more diffuse and missions more complex, america cannot act alone. >> the president admits the u.s. would be involved with afghanistan for years, helping it maintain security forces and improve its economy. the top u.s. general in afghanistan, stanley mcchrystal, told house lawmakers today the mission there is undeniably difficult and will incur significant costs. nevertheless, he said the surge strategy is realistic and an effective approach to winning the war. nbc's jim miklaszewski is live at the pentagon. what's your sense here that lawmakers are -- what are they trying to get out of general mcchrystal and ambassador eikenberry with these questions? i mean, is it possible they could not move on funding? >> you know, that doesn't appear
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to be in the works at all, contessa. in fact, this is the third day of testimony in a row for ambassador eikenberry. it's the second day for general mcchrystal. and in all the hearings that we've seen, there's been very little confrontation on the part of the lawmakers. they haven't really tried to drill down into the details of just how exactly stan mcchrystal and ambassador eikenberry intend to carry out this mission, this difficult mission on the ground militarily and then diplomatically, of course, with dealing with the corruption in karzai, you know, both the ambassador and stan mcchrystal would simply give their standard pad answers and then congress would move on. and many times i thought congress was almost defer enshall edeferential to them.
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in the overall counterinsurgency mission in afghanistan, contessa. >> it seems we're getting some pretty strong indications, they're flexible about what happens from this point on, that they realize that just because you have a goal of withdrawing troops in 2011 does not necessarily mean we wash our hands of afghanistan that year. >> well, you know, even the president himself in his remarks today seemed to contradict this concept of setting a deadline for a withdrawal in 2011 when he said the threat is diffuse and complex. that's the definition of an insurgency. >> right. >> so it would be very difficult to predict exactly when you're going to withdraw troops. now, stan mcchrystal, in his testimony this week, said he doesn't consider that date a deadline of any kind. and when in dealing with the afghan military and in dealing with the afghan government, in an interview with matt lauer there this week, secretary of state bob gates said, well, you
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know, all of this is going to be gradual over some period of time. you can't get any more unspecific than that. >> jim miklaszewski, thank you. >> okay. president obama's looking much younger. this is the sculpture that's on display in jakarta. residents there unveiled the statue of the commander in chief depicting him as a 10-year-old. the president lived in indonesia for several years during his childhood. and this life-size statue will sthand stand in honor of the president in the park where he used to play. forget the budget crisis. california has a new problem on its hand, and it has to do with a popular breed of dogs. tiger woods is facing a new indignity. what a california congressman has decided to do in reaction to the scandalous stories surrounding the golf great. libu. are you a cop? no. you didn't hear it from me, but this malibu, it offers better highway mileage than a comparable camry or accord. estimated 33 highway. i saw that on the epa site.
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disgraced golf star tiger woods, another damaging blow here.
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this time from joe baca of california. in march he introduced a measure to give woods the congressional medal of honor, the highest civilian award granted by congress. wow! >> times have changed. >> waugh. t yeah. meanwhile, one mistress, jamiee grubbs, is speaking out. nbc's peter alexander joins us in the studio. why are they talking? why are these women saying anything? >> i think a lot of these places have a little bit of cash flow offered them up is what it sounds like. the fact of the matter, this woman says she had a relationship, it lasted 2 1/2 years with woods. when she met him, she presumed he was single, didn't recognize he was married and says he made her feel like she was the only person in his life. so here is 24-year-old l.a. cocktail waitress jamiee grubbs in her own words. >> he always, you know, had his hand intertwined with mine, we
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were holding hands. he had never mentioned his wife. i mean, i would have never pursued him if he didn't pursue me. about a month before thanksgiving, before all of this happened, he said, it's been way too long. we should never wait this long again, you know. and it's just like i had received a text before that, you know, saying, you know, we will always be together. >> at one point he also sent her a text, she says, that says that we will always be together. a lot of people saying who keeps text messages that date back three years? she says the most recent -- >> when you get them from tiger woods, come on, you would save those for proceosterity's sake. >> there is a long trail, at least eight named women connected to tiger woods. when he said he admitted to transgressions, pretty much anybody can come forward and it's hard to doubt their story because there are a lot of them. >> what's he going to do, go through the list? no, no, no, yes, yes. by the way, you lived in california. can you tell me that little bling on the cheek, is that the new change? >> there's a bling on the cheek and a bling right here, i think.
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apparently. different circle. obviously. >> right, okay. peter, thanks. by the way, you might want to hear this next story. >> please. >> are you ready for this? california is dealing with this new crisis. apparently it's got more bark than bite. an overload of chihuahuas. that breed apparently makes up 30% or more of dog populations at the state's animal shelters. and experts are blaming it on hollywood. apparently shelter officials worry that people get these chihuahuas because they want to be like -- who wants to be like paris hilton? can we just be real? really? >> a bunch of chihuahua owners, apparently. >> come on. then they found out that chihuahuas can be -- their personalities can be challenging. i've known a few chihuahuas in my life. they're not necessarily like golden retrievers. in oakland one shelter says it can get ten of these five-pound dogs in one day. some facilities have started shipping them out of state. but people, please. just because you get a chihuahua does not make you like paris hilton. >> you can't hold a golden retriever out here when you're
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going out to the bar at night. >> depends how much you've been working out. >> touche. >> that wraps up this hour for me and peter. tamar tamryn hall after this. the president accepting the nobel peace prize. how today's ceremony was accepted on the world stage and whether it could help the president back here at home. so many arthritis pain relievers --
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good morning. i'm tamryn hall. now on msnbc, war and peace. president obama defends his war plan for afghanistan while formally accepting the nobel peace prize in norway. the president says while peace is the goal, war is sometimes necessary and justified. arrested in pakistan. five u.s. students all with ties to the washington, d.c., area are detained for allegedly planning to take part in a holy war. and still talking about tiger.

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