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this hour president obama back from his trip to pick up the nobel peace prize and he's got a big agenda moving ahead on
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plans he hopes will get americans back to work. on health care, he's got a senate that appears closer to agreement without the public option. will liberals in the house go along with such a compromise plan. on afghanistan, the peace prize acceptance speech is creating a stir. he's getting praise from the right for his defense from america and what he believes is a just war in afghanistan. >> all that plus continues to be the story of the week, america's number one golfer out of state and maintaining his silence. you can't say that for the growing list of women who keep coming forward to say they have been with the superstar. >> i'm john harwood of cnbc and "new york times." >> i'm norah o'donnell, nbc's chief washington correspondent. this is "new york times" special edition. good afternoon, norah. >> good afternoon to you. >> the fate of the public option in health care reform. the senate's new compromise
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aimed at the rift over the public plan, it may be dead in the final bill. >> that could be big news. the senate deal would offer a government plan similar to what federal workers have. it's aimed at satisfying moderates who say they can't support a bill that includes a public option but there are liberals who say they are not going to back a bill without one. this could make things tricky since the house bill does have a public plan. house speaker nancy pelosi going out of her way not to shoot down the senate's idea for such a plan. >> we in the house believe the public option is the best way to keep insurance companies honest, keep them honest, and also to increase competition of if y--. if you have a better way put it on the table. >> with us is senator dick durbin. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, norah. >> one question i have, this is
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always true in legislation, in order to make a compromise you end up really getting rid of the meat of this bill. the president says you need a public option so you provide competition against these private insurance plans and that's the only thing that's going to drive down costs. and now is the senate going to pass something that doesn't do that? >> i can just tell you this. i believe in the public option. i've supported it. i agree with the premise we have to have competition in order to bring down the cost and to give people a choice. that's what it boils down to. it's an option. unfortunately we have puckback and resistance on the democratic side of the aisle. we're working toward an alternative. let's not lose sight of what this bill does. this bill makes insurance more affordable for most americans, over 90% of americans. >> but how does expanding medicare -- i understand it will give more people coverage. how does that bring down the cost of health care? >> here what is we're dealing with. people age 55, who are either forced into retirement or facing
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retirement, who don't have health insurance protection until they reach the age of 65 for medicare. now they have an option. they have to pay for it but it's an option they are familiar with, medicare. separate pool, super tuesday from the larger medicare program that we paid for but premiums paid for by individuals. many people because of pre-existing conditions and situations in life have no place to turn. when they are really sick they come into the system for compassionate care and is passed on to everybody else. this gives them peace of mind and makes them paying customers when they show up at the hospital. >> senator, let me ask you a real politic question here. isn't the reality -- we do talking about what the house will accept, what the senate will accept, isn't the reality given it's more difficult to get something through the senate, the house will take whatever you pass. >> i wouldn't say that. >> close to it. >> bright minds can work on
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different alternatives. what we pass in the senate is what we believe is necessary, 60 votes. if someone can come up with an alternative that gives us 60 votes or more i'm sure we're open to it. we have labored long and hard to get to this point. i'm heartened by comments by speaker pelosi this she's at least open to suggestion we're talking about. >> senator, what is your view of the suggestion we're hearing right now from joe lieberman, olympia snowe and others that doctors and health care providers have been complaining for a long time they get underpaid by medicare. if you expand the sphere of people covered under medicare, you simply squeeze the doctors and hospitals even worse and make it impractical. what's the answer to that? >> there's a wide disparity in reimbursement. the same procedure at rochester in minnesota costs half as much as it does in miami, florida, for the same type of medicare patient. that's unacceptable. what we have to do is make sure we have fair reimbursement for
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quality medical care across the united states. that means including rates and reimbursement in some areas they are underpaid today. >> are you confident that where some democrats are concerned you can avoid the situation where some people who want to be covered by medicare can't find a doctor who will take it. >> one thing we do is to make sure the doctor fix, payment increase is there for doctors that provide for medicare patients. we want to make sure along way the way training more primary care physicians, things that will serve people with economical high-quality medical care. we have to expand the base of opportunity. we have to have fair reimbursement for those participating in medicare. this is the opportunity for many vulnerable people, age 55 to 64 to get insurance they can't buy on the market today.
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>> senator dick durbin from illinois, please tell us we get our christmas. >> at least a long lunch hour. i promise you and norah a long lunch hour at christmas. >> thank you. forty "people" people detained at the climate talks in copenhagen. >> the police are out in force. they are calling it preventive. about 20 demonstrators crowd the streets as corporate ceos debated global warming. for more on the talks we're joined by skype new york environmental reporter who is in copenhagen for the climate change conference. andrew, good to see you. >> good to be with you. >> what's the heart of the argument today? >> oh, boy, it's the same as it's been since i was covering in 1990, where there wasn't the
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first treaty. the two giants are still dancing around each other over what level of commitment or emissions cuts they will sign onto. there are plenty of other smaller issues. it's hard to see a meaningful outcome here next friday, a week from today without some breakthrough from china and the united states. on my blog.earth for the "times" i've been writing for years about this dance between them. it was on display when the u.s. negotiator and chinese negotiator kind of got into each -- they weren't at the same podium but sequential press conferences they rebutted each other pretty strongly. >> andrew, i suspect discussion will still be going on when i get to copenhagen the middle of next week to see the end of the conference. let me ask you this. how important to a resolution of that argument is the in effect redistribution of wealth from developing companies in return
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for the developing countries commitment to reducing their emissions. >> that's the other big, equally large issue here is increasingly tense commands by the world's least developed countries. whether or not china joins them they are steadfast saying the developed world led by the united states owes them what amounts to a climate debt. this is because the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, they are long lived. so if you emit emissions when the administration was getting into gear after world war ii, a big chunk is still up there. so the greenhouse blanket is largely our creation. they are saying we're on the frontline, projections are we'll have the worst impacts. you're creating new instability in the climate system so you owe us. >> in other words, take your own blanket and go away. pull your own blanket away. >> or give us an air
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conditioner, give us some way to compensate for the impacts we'll feel on our agriculture, coastlines. todd stern yesterday, the head negotiator for the united states, he just flatly rejected that. he said that we do have an obligation because of history to find meaningful assistance to the most vulnerable countries in the world but that kind of aid shouldn't go to china. >> thanks so much for joining us. i'll see you in copenhagen in the next few days. >> have fun over here. >> turning back to health care, joining us to talk more about the debate in the senate is david from the "new york times." he's joining us i believe from the white house north lawn -- i'm sorry, from the capital. david, tell me what's the status of the debate in the senate right now and when we expect to get these numbers from the congressional budget office that will score this new compromise. >> well, the debate is not quite on pause but the senate has taken a little bit of a break
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from health care to work on a suspending bill. they will do that over the weekend. expect some analysis from the cbo early to mid next week, then will heat up again. it hasn't quite died down. they are still talking about health care and arguing about amendments. you had senator durbin on and i heard him promise that long christmas lunch. i'm your witness. he was out there trying to get votes today and republicans disagreed. >> what is going on? i feel like people are tuning out of this health care debate, seems like all process, seems like nothing is getting done. they are compromising the meat of this bill. if you just expand medicare, do you end up -- how do you end up lowering cost? what is the explanation they are giving? >> look, what people are seeing is republicans versus democrats on the floor of the senate. what's really going on behind the scenes is democrats versus democrats. they need to cobble together those 60 votes. >> but david, it feels like they
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will do just about anything to find this compromise even if it means getting rid of what is actually quote unquote reform promised by the president? >> they are trying all sorts of avenues. some people think the medicare buy-in is bigger than the public plan that's considered. >> sure. >> if that happens, people are offered medicare and choosing to buy something else. you know what, there's a lot of gaps in medicare that don't make it worthwhile with what else is out there. if people sense a lot of wrangling going on, that's true. the extent to which they are giving away the store is unclear. the cbo said only 3 to 4 million people were expected to sign up on the public option. the public plan was going to have premiums more expensive than private plans. it might not be that big a loss. it will be political. they have to work out that difference. >> david, what's also new about
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how they are going to pay for this? the president at the same time has been talking about helping small businesses with tax cuts, et cetera. he's talking to ceos. they are all coming to the white house, john, on monday to talk about increasing lending to small businesses. what about that senate bill on health care? are they doing to continue to penalize businesses if they don't sign up their employees for tax cuts and how are they going to pay for this? >> this is a really sensitive issue. the senior republican on the small business committee is olympia snowe of maine. they really want her vote. she was just telling us she was at the white house on monday, she met with the president over the weekend on saturday. small business is a very important issue to her. figuring out the right balance, making sure people follow the mandate and keep insurance and keeping it affordable is one of the real challenges here. not sure how we're going to work that out yet. >> i can't believe we're still in the middle of this debate and we have no answers from the government how it's going -- then it will be done in the middle of the night.
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>> you don't worship at the church of cbo. >> i'm just saying i understand why the public is fed up with capitol hill, politicians. we don't know what's happening, it's been a long time and it's going to be done very quickly around christmas time when people are checked out and hanging out with the famili. >> but it's the first time it's been done. >> who cares if it's a crappy piece of legislation. >> it's complicated. >> i know it's complicated. life is complicated. >> to some degree, you have to expect that. i'm with you, i'm tired, too. >> i'm going to keep talking to norah about this crappy piece of legislation. we thank you for joining us. we'll let you get back to covering it. coming up "new york times" columnist bob her bet has tough words as the president prepares to send off 30,000 troops to afghanistan. >> let's get fired up, right? plus more than a year after the election of the first black president, "new york times" columnist has a tale of two
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welcome back to the "new york times" special edition. time now for the op-edge. >> what they are writing about the big issues of the day. demonstrators at the world summit in copenhagen. tom friedman offers this. going cheney on climate change invoking the krpt's so-called one percent doctrine. if we prepare for climate change by cleaning a clean power economy but climate change turns out to be a hoax, what would be the result? as a country we'd be stronger, more innovative and more energy
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independent. that's not bad. >> yeah. >> are you a denier or not? >> no, i'm not. i think tom friedman has it right. what happens if he goes and doesn't come out with an agreement. it will be embarrassing for the president. >> yes. he's taken a risk but he thinks he can get it done. next on the op-edge. >> bob herbert on afghanistan. he writes about the toll eight years of warfare there are taking on the children of service members calling it a fearful price. bob it right. he is shining the right on something that needs attention of the children, it's tough
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enough on the service member but children having to deal with parents away. they are depressed. it's a big issue. >> look where the troops are coming from. friends or children of friends like you and me don't go into the military service. it's usually people whose economic options in life aren't as good. >> my family is in the military. finally we're talking about president obama. he, of course, john, just received the nobel peace prize. >> the first president to be so honored and the third african-american. charles blow takes a of what it means to be black in the age of obama. charles blow joins us now from washington. charles, let me ask you about that column. do you blame president obama for short shrifting the interests of the black community in order to
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appeal to the whites he needs politically. >> i guess i don't use the word "blame" as much as i probably would say he's making a calculation here. the president knows, and i think most people know that the black vote is the most monolithic voting bloc in north america. he can't lose it. he knows that. because of that, i think that he is taking his sweet time, as they say, to get around to dealing specifically with african-american issues. in fact, he has said, in view of u"usa today" he doesn't plan to specifically address african-american issues. >> charles, one of the number one issues i would argue for african-americans is unemployment. the last figure i saw that was over 30% of black men in this country are unemployed. isn't the president talking about jobs and the economy? >> i think, yes, he is talking about jobs and the economy. but what you have -- what the president is basically saying, you fill the bathtub and all the
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little duckies will rise at the same rate. what the unemployment numbers are showing us is that's not true they didn't sink at the same rate. the difference between white and black, i focus on young college graduates, new college graduates, the gap widened significantly. it didn't stay the same. it was always higher. it didn't stay the same. what you have, is it getting worse for african-americans than it was. now you have to say, coming out of a recession, will we come out at the same rate. if not, do we need to focus specifically in some way on unemployed african-americans. and i would say yes, not because this president is black and this is a black issue. >> if you did that, let's say the president had focused like a laser beam on black unemployment, how would his program look different? >> i'm not exactly sure. i want to say this, though, the
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president is doing his dance of carrots and sticks. he's come down heavily on the sticks side. he's told african-americans that personal responsibility is the biggest thing, the first thing you need to address and he said it over and over again. what african-americans are waiting for is for him to say i feel your pain as well and not everything is your fault. although you can do a better job, we can do a better job addressing systemic and structural issues involved in some of your pain. >> some of it just focusing the rhetoric more specifically as opposed to the programs. >> i think that goes a long way. i think a lot of people haven't heard that. the president saying he's not going to focus on any niche group, that would seem fair. but the president has not said that. he has specifically said to the gay community, after they have protested that he will deal with issues that are important to
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him. he invited native american leaders to the white house and told them the u.s. had not done right by them and he planned to address that. he's gone around the world talking to the muslim community saying he wants to rebuild the relationship with the muslim community. the one niche group that he has not specifically addressed in that way is african-americans. >> provocative point, charles. we're going to be watching that over the next year especially as those efforts to reduce unemployment either bear fruit or don't. thanks so much for joining us. >> thanks, charles. >> coming up, "new york times" reports on a controversial alliance between the cia, blackwater, and the military contractor. details ahead. plus an emotional plea from prosecutors in the casey anthony murder trial today. hear what they say the florida mother should face for the death of her two-year-old daughter. this is "the new york times" special edition right here on msnbc. they battle it out in the fuel efficiency rankings. seems like a lot of work to play catch up.
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all right. we're back with "new york times" special edition. we've got breaking news. the house of representatives has passed a bill overhauling financial regulations as president obama has requested letting the federal government have authority to break up companies in case of systemic risk and that they might fail. a bit of a surprise in the vote. not a single republican voted for this. democrats thought by phrasing this bill, this piece of legislation, norah, as congress versus wall street they would get 15 to 20 republican votes. that did not happen. republicans kept their members all together. welcome back to the "new york times" special edition. i'm john harwood. we're going right now to oncaucus of top reporters at the "new york times." white house reporter peter baker, "new york times" assistant business and financial editor and columnist gretchen
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morganson. david from "new york times." gretchen, let me start with you on the financial regulation. democrats were saying this was a bill they were going to get tough with wall street. does this bill do that? >> i don't think so, john. it really has been a period of, i think, dismaying, kind of much ado about nothing. when you're talking about resolving these kinds of institutions, they just have not put in place any kinds of rules and regulations that would prevent this kind of thing from happening again in my view. >> well, are you thinking that that is not going to be the result once the senate acts and they conference the bill, they are not going to come up with something or this first step in the process doesn't have those provisions in it yet? >> i just think they really have not addressed the issues at hand here about how they are going to prevent too big to fail from continuing. what we saw in this really dismal period was a sequence of bailouts. there really isn't anything in
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any of these bills that talks about how do we break up the companies that are very big, that have been deemed too bill to fail so we won't be in that boat again. >> let's turn to the issue of health care, of course, what's going on with capitol hill. peter this is a big issue for the president. now have you this new proposal on the ground about expanding medicare. you've got, of course, the three moderates in the senate or three of the moderates questioning this. joe lieberman, ben nelson and olympia snowe. what's your take, peter, on whether this becomes part of the bill and whether it lives up to the proms the president made about reforming health care? >> well, look. you know, they are casting about looking for any alternative that can get through this debate by christmas. they don't wan to be there for the holiday. who does. they are willing to look at a lot of things. the magic number of 60 continues to sit out there on the horizon like an elewisry shimmer.
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>> doubts the sense, peter, the white house is getting nervous about this at all or they are just willing to take any bill? >> well, they wouldn't say they are willing to take any bill. i do think they recognize once you get a bill off the senate floor out of the senate in the conference committee they have an opportunity to shape it, the final product, in a way that might be more to their liking. they are willing to accept a lot of things at this moment that might not be their most ideal version in order to keep the process moving. >> i want to bring in david sanger. i was working on that concept, too. >> it's the holidays, that's the shimmering. >> it's not here. >> eggnog. >> a "new york times" graphic. >> david, norah was saying earlier in the conversation with david that this bill had become crappy because of the compromises made.
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some of the guts of the bill -- >> i said it could become. >> do you think that, in fact, is what happened? >> it could well go that way. i think that's fascinating about expanding the medicare option is it's a way for those supporting the public option to say there's still a public element of it and forcing people who have said don't take away my medicare to vote against the. that's going to be, you know, a tough element. what's missing from this as far as i see is the cost containment part. i don't understand how expanding a system we already have in a market we all agree has cost issues out there is going to solve it. >> see, i'm not beating a dead horse. i'm not beating a dead horse on this. you're not going to get expanded coverage, writes the cost containment. >> let's don't beat a dead or or have the shimmer. the white house would say in terms of cost control, one, you've got this cadillac tax on
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high-cost insurance plans. you've got health service delivery reforms, ways in which you can change billing, change procedures to get doctors working together and finally this so-called medpac commission to have up or down base closing style votes on certain practices within medicare and medicaid to try to reduce the cost. peter is that the argument and is it legitimate? >> it's certainly legitimate. there's a lot dubious about that. >> so you don't believe the argument. >> i'm not smart enough to say, i think, at this point. let's just say this, it hasn't sold 60 members of congress at this point or 60 members of the senate at this point. there's a lot to question here. keep in mind when we say cost containment, a lot of these curbs in medicare spending are things politicians have spent -- democrats have spent time in the past bashing the other party for doing. one person's cost containment is
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another person's service restriction. >> guys, we're going to schiff to the final topic on the caucus which is afghanistan. david, the president gave his speech last week laying out the policy at west point. he gave his nobel speech yesterday. did he do himself any good with that speech laying out in more detail even than he did at west point the concept of what he considers a just war? >> i thought the nobel speech by raising this to sort of a different plain, the level of just and unjust wars and taking away the question of deployment, which was haunting the whole west point speech on the deadlines it was really in some ways one of the most interesting speeches of his presidency. interesting because it created a category for unilateral sbrrks, created a category for international intersection, adjusted force in humanitarian
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cases but never followed up by saying how he would organize the world to go do it. then very subtly making the argument if you didn't face an imminent threat, you weren't fighting a just war. that was iraq. >> gretchen, i want to bring you in on this afghanistan discussion for this reason. the president talked about the cost of the war as a factor in his decision. i'm interested in the perspective of people on wall street who are looking at the fiscal policies of the united states government, trying to figure out whether or not we're going to keep our budget situation under control. what is their view of the cost of the war? is it the kind of thing that seems a big deal in the context of an economy this size, not such an important element? >> i think it would be certainly a big add on to an already really sizable deficit. as you know, we have been throwing money at the economy and that has been an enormous expenditure. so the war is on top of that, which doesn't make people sort of confident. it makes them a little bit
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uncomfortable certainly about the future and about the possibility for inflation coming down the pike. now, we are nowhere near that, still in the deflationary mode but there is this concern about how is the government going to exit from some of these programs. so i'm sure that the afghanistan deployment really plays into that fear. >> gretchen morgenson, and all, thanks for being with us. new information about the swine flu. one in six americans may have already had it this year. wait until you hear how many the virus has killed. plus, "the new york times" best ideas of 2009 from the cutting edge to the just plain weird. >> weird. >> the most amazing of issues ahead. you're watching "the new york times" special edition only on msnbc. (announcer) nothing matches that dentist level of clean.
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in florida today an emotional hearing in the murder
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case of two-year-old caylee anthony. the prosecutors are seeking the death penalty for casey anthony who is accused of killing her own child. >> could caylee have understood what was happening to her? did she try to resist? could her killer see the fear in her eyes as the tape was applied? these are questions only the jurors will be able to answer in this case. if you've gotten to this stage, those same jurors have already decided that the face caylee anthony saw in the final moments was her mother's case. >> caylee anthony's body was found near her grandparents' home with duct tape on her mouth. the defense is trying to get the death penalty off the table saying since the cause of the death is unknown prosecutors are unable to prove she suffered a cruel death, which is the standard under florida law for
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seeking the death penalty. >> five american muslims arrested this week in pakistan will remain for now in the custody of pakistani police. fbi a little grilled the suspects whose pictures and on tv in pakistan today. >> that's right. the men were detained on tuesday along with one of their fathers in the town of sargodha in eastern pakistan. nbc's pete williams is following the story today from our washington bureau. pete, i understand you do have some new information on the investigation. what have you learned? >> well, a couple of things. first of all we've obtained a sort of redacted version of the official pakistani police report on this, and it clarifies how the five got in touch with someone in pakistan. they say one of the five, a student posted notes on youtube under videos that showed attacks on u.s. service members overseas. he would, according to pakistani police, praise these videos that attracted the attention,
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apparently, of someone in pakistan who called himself sifula. then they began corresponding with each other. that is what eventually led these five to go to pakistan, try to hook up with him and in turn get contact with terror groups. we've learned subsequently the terror groups thought nothing of these students, suspected them, thought they might be infiltrators, though they might be ill prepared, no language skills, no training and declined it take them to tribal areas between afghanistan and pakistan where the five eventually hoped to take up arms against american soldiers. >> why would they want to take up arms? why -- i understand most are american citizens. why did they want to take up arms against american soldiers. >> according to pakistani police, which is the source of
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this, they said jihad must be waged against infidels because of the atrocities against muslims around the world. it was a grievance against what they thought was american actions against muslims. the other thing we learned, norah, it appears the pakistani authorities were aware of these communications. the men thought they were communicating in a way that would not trip the authorities. apparently they knew of it and knew the five were on their way before they ever got to pakistan. >> pete williams, thanks so much. >> you bet. >> to another story following at home, health officials estimate 50 million americans have come down with swine flu. that's a lot. nearly 10,000 died from it. the cdc says 1 in a million has had it. 200,000 people have been hospitalized due to swine flu from april through mid november. that's the same amount that occurs normally in an entire flu season. >> how many times this year did
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you look at something and think great idea? >> this weekend "the new york times" magazine is out with its ninth annual year in ideas issue. it lists them in alphabetical order. can you search on the web. >> realtime search engines, google news is apparently so last year. new sites like topsey, add up to the minute headlines, including the latest tweets by tiger. >> i'm out of the loop. >> fashion forward idea in footwear, fashion upward. designer took stilettos to new heights in fashion week. he labels the heels his model wore stiletto clause. >> they were a food tall making
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the models feet look like claws. i don't think it makes sense to play safe. luckily no one fell. would you wear those? >> no, i can imagine my mother and father would never let me out of the shoes in those. i can hear my mother say, you'll break your ankle in those shoes. >> they might. >> you have daughters you know. tiger woods facing new allegations on infidelity. what does it mean for the golf star, the industry around him. plus the president and climate change. what will mr. obama hear about climate change in copenhagen next week. you'll hear . - ( whirring ) - oh, you know what? let me call you back. announcer: you don't drink every time you smoke. yet you smoke every time you drink. drinking and smoking don't have to go together. re-learn life without cigarettes, free,
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time for a look at "new york times" week in review early sunday. >> now, sam tannenhouse, editor of the week in review. i'm shocked you're doing a piece on tiger woods. >> we figured if there was
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anybody in the "new york times" newsroom that could make tiger woods sound boring, it's me. so that's my job. >> in the gutter with cable tv? >> listen, it's an incredible story. it's how we used to think of celebrity as a form of brand. this guy is not very famous -- he is one of the most famous people in the world. there's a ton of money riding on what this guy does. he shaped a persona, a commodity that's under threat. that's what we're going to write about. we'll see how i do. >> does he recast the brand into something more randy or what happens here? >> that's a great question, what you do when you have had so carefully guarded and neutral a persona. the other a little bit was michael jordan, kobe bryant did the same thing. there's almost a sense of these guys with tiger and michael jordan they are cross over
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figures. the audience are so diverse and complex, they almost erase their own personalities. when something like this happens we're shocked because we imagine them with almost no personal lives at all. what they have done is conceal it. how he thought he could get away with it is another story all together. these guys live in really secure bubbles. it's how they get through life. it will be interesting to see what he goes through next. >> what else in this section? >> a piece on obama has become mr. sand navia, first oslo, now copenhagen. and we're going to look, a great political reporter that's been writing about the environment, he's going to look at the complication that faces obama. on the one hand, he wants to be involved, be a world leader getting climate change under control. he can't even get his own senate to agree on emissions here. it's a case where he's speaking to two audiences again. he's very good at it.
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we'll see how he does this time. >> is scandinavia even more dicey for a president than paris or germany was when the president went to europe last summer in the campaign and got hit for it? >> that's a good question. on the one hand it feels a little marginal to us. it's outside the big sort of power centers. it also gives obama an odd sort of stature that he can go to these distant regions. he did catch some flack, as we know, in oslo. he seems pretty good at addressing international audiences. almost better there than his. i think our editorial page said he did better selling the afghanistan war in oslo than he did at west point. we'll see. >> sam, thank you so much for the week in review section. we appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> that's it for this hour of "new york times" special edition. i'm john harwood. >> i'm norah.
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blurring the lines, private security guards on the front lines of hundreds of secret missions in raids in iraq and afghanistan. now the head of the cia says he want a special review, a review that may expose more on the intelligence practices during the bush administration. stranded overnight. more than 100 motorists blocked in a freeway by snow. the latest developments live from the new york police. tiger secrets, another mistress comes forward in a "today" show exclusive. how she said it went down. and how she said the golf great turned his back on her. >> there's parts of me that are

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