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want to do is come clean. i've been wanting to come clean ever since 2005. and, you know, i didn't know where, when or how. i've just been holding this in. >> 2005? now, that's when he was called to testify to congress, and failing to get immunity from prosecution for something that was not against the law, he said, i'm not here to talk about the past. he first dab elled in steroids in the winter of 1989 and became a user in 1994, he retired physically broken, they sure aren't good for your health, in 2001. why did it take five years after the congressional hearing for him to tell all? voting announced last week for the fourth year in a row, mcgwire had gotten pitfully low
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support for the hall of fame. another reason, revealed by rich sandemere, mcgwire's interviews yesterday with the mlb network and six other reporters were coordinated by the cardinals and ari fleischer, the former press secretary to president george w. bush. and here all this time, all 2448 days worth, we thought mr. fleischer's biggest swing and a miss had been mission accomplished. that's "countdown" i'm keith olbermann, good night and -- there goes my arm. let me take something for that. i hadn't thrown the ball yet, you have to learn to wait for it. try it again? are you ready? nothing. conan o'brien stole my smash. now to discuss the fight for gay marriage in federal court, the former bush versus gore rival,
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ladies and gentlemen, here is rachel maddow. good evening, rachel. thank you very much. >> the computer volume in this room is turned up to stun, i will see if i can do something about that. i appreciate it in the meantime, keith. thank you. thanks to you at home for staying with us for the next hour. sarah palin debuts as a fox news contributor. a presidential historian will be joining us to discuss president obama's first year. john mccain again and still defends picking sarah palin to be the second moved powerful person in the country even after all we've learned. legal superstars ted olson and david boies are here live to talk about their unlikely alliance in the battle for gay marriage. we have a very packed show tonight. but we begin with breaking news. the largest earthquake ever recorded in the region has hit if the nation of haiti, it's a
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quake registering 7.0, it struck just before 5:00 p.m. eastern time, it struck about 5 miles south of the capitol, port-au-prince. port-au-prince is a dangerous combination of highly populated and poorly constructed buildings, it's been difficult to get details so far. we're hearing reports of collapsed buildings and casualties, including a hospital and perhaps even the presidential palace. one u.s. government official telling the new york times that he or she saw a number of whole houses that had fallen into a ravine. phone land lines are down. since the quake hit, there have been at least six aftershocks, the worst reportedly measuring 5.5, and 5.9. which are themselves pretty big quakes in their own right. the u.s. military says the u.s. southern command is standing by ready to offer humanitarian support. how much support will be needed is unknown at this time. we just received notice from the
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state department, that the state department operations center has set up a phone number for americans who are seeking information about their own family members in haiti. it's a toll-free number, 888-407-4747. they are saying that because they are receiving heavy call volumes, some callers may initially receive a recording, our embassy is still in the early stages of contacting american citizens through the wharton network, communications are considered to be difficult still within haiti at this time. if you are an american who is seeking information about family members that you have in haiti in the wake of this quake, the state department has set up a toll-free number, 888-407-4747. one of the early pieces of information we received about this quake was that a tsunami warning was initially issued. that tsunami warning has since been cancelled. joining us now to try to understand the magnitude of this quake and its impact is the senior science adviser for
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earthquake and geologic hazards, dr. david applegate. appreciate your time. thank you for joining us. >> absolute ly. >> do we have any idea at what sort of casualty numbers we're looking at. any idea how many people have been killed or injured by today's quake? >> as typical in these kinds of situations, communications are out. a lot of networks are down, so casualty estimates are coming in very slowly. one of the things that we do is look at the number of people who have been exposed to very strong shaking, gives us an initial picture from a humanitarian standpoint. we estimate somewhere on the order of half a million people exposed to extreme ground shaking. we're going to expect casualties in the hundreds quite possibly in the thousands. >> i have read tonight that this is -- this earthquake was the largest earthquake to hit this region since we began recording such things, 7.0.
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can you give us some context for understanding the size of a 7.0 quake? >> sure. the 7.0 quake that folks are most familiar with was the loma pria earthquake in 1989 that struck the bay area. that earthquake struck well south of the bay in an area that was relatively unpopulated. we saw all the damage that occurred at some distance. here's an earthquake of the same magnitude under a very populated area, a population that is nowhere near as earthquake ready in terms of its construction as california. >> on that issue of construction, haiti is by far the poorest country in the western hemisphere, it's been frequently battered by hurricanes, including a hurricane six years ago that killed 3,000 people in haiti. how big a factor are construction practices in terms of what we're likely to see for casualties. if a quake is big enough it can do anything it wants to. what we know about construction
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standards in port-au-prince in haiti, is that likely to be a major factor determining how many people die in this quake? >> actually, that's going to be huge. the saying is, earthquakes don't kill people, buildings kill people. certainly just the images that we're seeing now, we're seeing the typical unreinforced masonry and brick buildings that are the highest collapse hazard. they're not designed to with stand earthquake shaking, and unfortunately, a lot of those buildings, particularly the larger ones are the schools, hospitals, and other really critical facilities for dealing with a response and recovery phase. we're also seeing images of secondary hazards for example landsli landsliding, there's a lot of topography in this area, a lot of heavy rainfall. we're going to be seeing a lot of damage associated with that. >> dr. david applegate is the senior science adviser -- it's a great boone to us to have your
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expertise to share with our viewers. the u.s. agency for international development says they are sending disaster response teams to haiti, we just received word of that. as we said earlier, u.s. central command saying that the u.s. military is available to be sending -- to be spending for humanitarian assistance to haiti. there are less than two dozen military personnel who are stationed in haiti for any reason, but u.s. southern command says they are willing to deploy u.s. military resources to help if that is required. earlier tonight, hillary clinton pledged u.s. aid to the earthquake victims in haiti. >> the united states is offering our full assistance to haiti and others in the region. we will be providing both civilian and military disaster relief and humanitarian assistance and our prayers are with the people who have suffered. their families and their loved ones. >> secretary clinton speaking today, president obama also
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released a statement saying "my thoughts and prayers go out to those who have been affected by this earthquake. we are closely monitoring the situation, and we stand ready to assist the people of haiti." we will, of course, continue to watch this story and keep you updated with new information as it comes in over the course of the next hour. we turn now to the next chapter in the career of the most famous republican in america. yesterday sarah palin the former half term governor of alaska turned republican vice presidential nominee turned again announcing her latest gig is as a paid contributor to the fox news channel. the announcement was yesterday, and today she got to work. >> there is an obvious disconnect between president obama and the white house, what they are doing to our economy, and what they are doing in terms of not allowing americans to feel as safe as we had felt and people finally saying this is
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not the representative form of government we thought we had voted in. after a year's time, people are saying, we want the white house, we want president obama to hear from us, we want these common sense solutions with health care, with jobs, with the economy, with the war on terror to be implemented so we can get back on the right track. >> so we can get back on the right track. we'll have much more on the sarah palin debut coming up. in terms of the substance of her critique, should be noted that a week from tomorrow is the one-year anniversary of president obama's inauguration. republicans including their new paid punned it in chief have already started to use the one-year mark to spin it as a failure. over the course of the next week, we'll be able to judge how good republicans are at framing the mainstream press. take one of the more significant news stories of today, the u.s. federal reserve announcing it made a $52 billion profit. profit?
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in 2009. now, there's a number of ways to respond to a strange headline like this, one is to be outraged about it. to blame the obama administration for the fed's socialistic banking system. another way to look at it is to say, this being confusing politically unpopular thing that the government did with lots of taxpayer money worked out okay in some ways. we didn't have a second great depression, we still have a banking system, which wasn't a given a year or so ago, and we taxpayers just made $52 billion in profit for the federal reserve's part in this. it may be hard to accept when you're here, but financial observers overseas are taking note. the figures suggest that u.s. taxpayers have so far gained money from the u.s. government's action in propping up the system. the news out of the fed today is sort of a microcosm of what's happened with the economy during president obama's first year. yes, unemployment is still a
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huge problem. but if you want to talk jobs, here's the context. here's what job losses looked like during the last year or so of the bush administration. 3.6 million jobs lost in 13 months. now, this is what's happened since president obama took office. we're still losing jobs, but we're doing so at a much, much slower rate. job losses are heading in the right direction. steve bennen first put this draft together at "washington monthly" we decided to keep it posted in our newsroom since our executive producer christened it the bikini graph. take a look at the stock market, specifically the dow. here's what president obama inherited during the bush administration, and here's what's happened during president obama's first year. for all the efforts and freaking out about the economy, the numbers look okay. they at least seem to have gotten a lot better under mr.
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obama. he seems to have turned things around. and in terms of legislative accomplishments, whether or not you like the policies this president has pursued, consider what moved from his to do list to the done list. in this president's first year. not his first term, just his first year. less than a month after taking office, president obama got a massive $787 billion stimulus package passed. every mainstream economist in america said the stimulus worked to prevent a much deeper downturn. even the right wing think tank said the stimulus worked. even one of john mccain's advisers in the campaign against obama has been willing to admit publicly that the stimulus worked. right around the same time, the president signed the lilly ledbetter fair pay act. he lifted a ban on the stem cell research.
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and climate change leks that obama made one of the centerpieces of his campaign. in august, sonya sotomayor was confirmed. waiting on deck is the most comprehensive package of regulation reforms since the days of fdr, and then, of course, there's the granddaddy of them all, health reform. president obama on the verge of achieving something that's alluded nearly every democratic president who has feign it up before him. jacob wiseberg said for the federal government to take responsibility for health coverage will be a transformation of the american social contract and the single biggest change in government's role since the new deal. if obama governs for four or eight years and accomplishes nothing else he may be judged the most kwen shall domestic president since lbj. speaking of lbj. every year, congressional quarterly tracks the presidential success rate, how
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frequently president's get their wish from congress when they clearly express what they want congress to do. the gold standard has been lyndon johnson. on congressional votes in which lbj made his preference for the outcome clear. congress did what he wanted 93% of the time. that was in 1965. this past year, barack obama has topped that, he's broken the record, in 2009 on votes where president obama took a clear position, congress voted his way 96.7% of the time. that's a record. congressional quarterly sums up their findings by saying "barack obama's success rate was the highest not only for the first year of any presidency but for any year since congressional quarterly began the study 56 years ago." now, this president notably has picked his battles, he has deferred action on promises like repealing don't ask don't tell and closing guantanamo. the fate of afghanistan and
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iraq, the american role in those places, those are open questions. fighting terrorism is a treadmill that no one expects anyone to have the luxury of getting off any time soon. but as we close in on year one of the obama presidency. having prevented the second great depression with the politically unpopular bailouts and stimulus, with the first hispanic justice nominee in place on the supreme court just watch the reception for the republican spin in this next week about this president's first year. just watch the reception to the president's -- to the republican spin that this president has been such a disappointment. just watch. joining us now is michael beshlash, thanks for being here. >> hi, rachel, how are you? >> great, thanks. impeericly, whether or not you like obama's policies, but from a pure quantitative perspective in terms of what this president has done, how does his first year stack up against previous president dense i? >> he issed equal of franklin
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roosevelt in his first year, lbj in 1965 or ronald reagan in 1981. obama last year, or two years ago during the campaign kept on saying, i want to be a transforming president, like roosevelt, like johnson like reagan, and the breadth of the kind of thingses he's done you're absolutely right to talk about them, suggests that's what he's going to be. >> in terms of the challenges he faced, the president talked about, has he been -- almost joked about the fact that nobody could have guessed that iraq would have been a back burner issue for this presidency. >> absolutely. >> can you give us some historical context for what challenges he was handed? >> it's almost unique in the last century, when fdr came in in 1933 we were in a terrible great depression, in terms of foreign policy, the world was fairly quiet. and roosevelt could spend his first term basically concentrating on the economy. if you look at a case for
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instance where lbj came in in 1963, had to deal with the death of john kennedy, but again the world was relatively quiet, he was able to concentrate on his domestic program. in contrast, look at obama coming in just a year ago, we were teetering as you said on the brink of another great depression, we had two wars, a struggle with terrorism. this is someone who had to deal with things on all sorts of fronts and engage with every single one of them. >> on the issue of how he's been perceived, we titled this segment common wisdom failed. it seems like there's a maybe solidifying common wisdom that this first year hasn't been a success, and again, not trying to take this impeericly about judgments on his policies, but we should address the issue of his approval ratings. if he's at 50%, how does that compare to other presidents and
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being a kwen shall president having to deal with a split public. >> your numbers are going to go down, because people will not like some of the things about that program. bill clinton's toughest time during his first term was when he and hillary tried to do health care, if was immensely unpopular, wasn't evening taken up by congress. on ftop of that in obama's case he has this enormous jobless rate. i'm still getting over the bikini graph. despite that, the jobless number is high. it could even possibly god forbid be higher later on this year through some scenarios, until that goes down, he's not going to get better in terms of numbers. ronald reagan was in a very deep recession beginning of 1983, his numbers were 41%.
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yet two years later, reagan won that enormous landslide in 49 states. >> nbc news presidential historian, thank you very much for your time tonight. >> my pleasure. so would you pick someone to serve as vice president of the united states who didn't know what the fed does? yeah, john mccain did, and now he wishes you wouldn't bring that up, please. that's next. v8 garden broccoli. from campbell's. velvety, delicious. campbell's v8 soups. also, try new garden vegetable blend. so, at national, i go right past the counter... and you get to choose any car in the aisle. choose any car? you cannot be serious! okay. seriously, you choose. go national. go like a pro.
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i think that these reporters who are not any part of what i was doing there as a vp candidate, i think that i explained a lot of this in "going rogue" in my book, i was there, they were not there. >> is this lies you don't know the difference between north and south korea. >> yes, i didn't see "60 minutes" i was warned don't watch it. >> was it a lie that you thought saddam hussein was behind 9/11. >> i did talk to steve schmidt about the history of the war, and where perhaps the 9/11 terrorists came from, and could there have been any connection to saddam hussein. i asked questions about it. >> you wrng the blaming 9/11 on saddam hussein? >> no, no, no, no, no.
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>> where, perhaps, the 9/11 terrorists came from. that was fox news contributor sarah palin's debut as a paid contributor on that network, trying to rebut some of the new reporting about her coming from mark halperin and john hileman in their new book, "game change." here's the issue with the rebuttal. i should note the book does not claim that sarah palin didn't know the difference between north and south korea, which is what mr. o'reilly asked her. is this guy lying, he says you don't know the difference between north korea and south korea. that's not what was alleged in the book, what was alleged in the book was sarah palin didn't know why there was a south korea and north korea. why? we still don't know if she's figured that out, mr. o'reilly has helped her rebut an argument that was never made against her.
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the quotes came from "game change." this particular cram session took place on september 10th, 2008, the day that sarah palin was preparing to fly to anchorage for the deployment ceremony for her son track's army unit bound for iraq. here's that section from the book. "before the flight to anchorage, schmidt, wallace and other members of her traveling party met palin at the ritz-carlton in virginia although she had made some progress with her memorization and studies, her grasp of rudimentary facts and concepts was minimal. she couldn't explain why north and south korea were separate nations. she didn't know what the fed did. when asked who attacked america on 9/11, she said perhaps it was saddam hussein. palin's horrifieied advisered provided her with scripted reply
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s which she memorized." on september 11 season, 2008, sarah palin still told her son's army unit that they would be fighting the people responsible for 9/11 when they went to iraq. >> you'll be there to defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the death of thousands of americans. >> actually, they were going to iraq. whole separate idea. let's recap. sarah palin apparently said that to a group of soldiers preparing to deploy to iraq, the day after it was carefully explained to her who planned and carried out 9/11, and who we're fighting in iraq, they're not interchangeable. but then she still said it. and then tonight she said she wasn't blaming 9/11 on saddam hussein, she was just asking questions about whether she could blame 9/11 on saddam hussein, telling mr. o'reilly that she asked steve schmidt
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about the history of the war, and about where, perhaps the 9/11 terrorists came from. she asked these questions in 2008. this is who john mccain tried to turn into our nation's vice president. the reason that fox news is, i'm sure, delighted to have governor palin on their staff now, is because she is the single person in american politics who liberals and conservatives compete over in terms of who loves to talk about her more. i'm sure she will attract lots of viewers to that network. there is a serious point that's underlaid the passion and drama and snark about sarah palin as a public figure. it's the very real important question about whether or not she was qualified to be vice president of the united states when john mccain picked her. this has always been a legitimate question. given the new things we have learned about sarah palin in the campaign, and her depth of knowledge on both domestic and foreign affairs and how much john mccain and this campaign asked about those things before
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they offered her the job, it's becoming an even more serious question. the office of vice president is a pretty anti-small d democratic concept, nobody gets to vote for vice president alone. one person, the presidential nominee, gets to chose the vice presidential nominee, that's why that choice is considered to be the first big important decision a presidential candidate makes, that's why we judge presidential candidates on their vice presidential selections, it shows how they go about making presidential sized decisions. it shows how much they are thinking before the country's interests when they are handed personally a decision that the whole country is going to have to live with, because who our vice president will be is a really serious proposition for the country. in part, because the vice presidency is something that comes with real responsibility. see the vice president of dick cheney, for example, it can be a powerful position in its own right. but most importantly, if the president god forbid dies while in office, the vice president automatic my becomes president
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without ever having been elected to that office. and john mccain running as a 72-year-old cancer survivor, picking sarah palin for all the excitement her selection unleashed, poses a really serious question about his judgment. about whether he put the country at risk in making this choice without knowing what she knew about the world or caring enough to have that imping on him picking her. to a large degree, the question of sarah palin's qualifications for the job was evident during the campaign. at the time john mccain simply brushed it aside. >> i think she's the most qualified of any that has run recently for vice president, to tell you the truth. >> the most qualified of anybody. that was john mccain's offense as defense of his choice back in october 2008, also a nice dig at his old pal joe lieberman. as the revelations about governor palin's knowledge of basic facts about the state of the world and recent history
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have accumulated, the question of her qualifications and of john mccain's judgment in choosing her have grown more serious, and they have become harder to answer with hiyperbol alone. matt lauer put those questions to john mccain this morning on "the today show." here was the uncomfortable thing that happened. >> you're kind of front and center in a lot of the chapters that seem to be a little inflammatory. let me get you on the record about some of it. one is that your vetting process for governor palin before choosing her as your runningmate was wholly inadequate. it says in judging palin, it was relying on vetting so hasty and happen hazard it barely merited the name, no one had interviewed her husband, no vetters had descended on alaska. is it a fair assessment? >> i wouldn't know. the fact is, that i'm proud of sarah palin, i'm proud of the
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campaign we waged. she energized our party, she will be a major factor in american politics in the future, and i'm proud of our campaign. i've just spent my time over where three young americans were just killed in afghanistan. >> and i respect that. >> and that was over a year ago. >> i respect that sir. >> and i'm not going to get into it. i'm not going to get into it. >> your comment i wouldn't know, is somewhat surprising to me, you were the presidential candidate. >> i wouldn't know what the sources are nor care. >> i wouldn't know, i wouldn't know nor care. that was over a year ago. i don't want to talk about it. do you remember john mccain's slogan during the campaign? it was country first. this is how much he cared about the qualifications of a person he was personally proposing to put a heartbeat away from the presidency, this is how he regards a decision that would have had a huge impact on the country if he had been elected. it was his alone to make, don't know, don't care. good to know where you stand on
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back in the '90s, before gay marriage was a big issue, a book was written called "normal." at the time there was no question that andrew sullivan was a conservative. part of the way you could tell he was a conservative was that
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his book "virtually normal" argued for gay marriage. gay marriage was seen as a fundamentally conservative idea in 1996. like in many civil rights movements there had been tensions between the revolutionaries and reformers in gay politics, people who wanted liberation, who wanted to overturn the social institutions that excluded some people and made up an unfair system, and people who didn't want to overturn anything, they wanted people to have access to those existing institutions. the gay marriage fight that's been waged ever since shows that the gay rights movement in some ways picked the more conser conservative objection, which you would never know by the way the conservatives have approached gay marriage. the anti-gay enemies they have used the idea of gay marriage to stir up has been so politically important to them, it was part
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of the republican party's election strategy for 2004, to turn out vote irs motivated by the desire to vote against gay marriage, and then count on those voters also voighting for the other conservative choices on the ballot that year, namely president bush. for all of the anti-gay marriage conservative activism and agitation and political exploitation, something has happened in the past year that has brought the gay marriage issue back to its conservative roots in a way. last spring, a man considered by money to be the leading conservative lawyer of his generation, he defended ronald reagan, perennial supreme court nominee mention. george w. bush's first solicitor general. ted olson he called the lead attorney he squared off against in bush versus gore before the supreme court, and he asked his courtroom opponent if he would like to work together with him to try to overturn california's anti-gay marriage proposition 8
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in federal court. this would not be ted olson versus david boies, but rather ted olson and david boies together against the opponent ets of gay marriage. if you're wondering why the conservative case for gay marriage is is the cover story on "newsweek" right now, it's because of our next guests. joining us from california where they are in the midst of their court battle, david boyce and ted olson, thank you so much for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you, rachel. >> mr. olson, let me start with you, i have read the legal arguments you've made in favor of same sex marriage, read your opening statement from the trial this week, but what moved you personally to take this on, to wade into this fight? >> well, i think it's the right fight to battle. it's the right time to fight this battle. david and i agree that it isn't a liberal or conservative battle, it's an issue about
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american rights, american decency, american values, liberty and equal treatment of individuals who are american citizens just like the rest of us, we think it's time that we recognize their right to equal treatment. >> mr. boies, i know there was some initial controversy when you and mr. olson announced you would be taking on this case together. in part because this is -- you're stepping into the stream of a fight that's already being waged before you, and through different means. why pursue this as a federal issue? everybody's guess is that this is aimed straight at a supreme court challenge on this issue. >> one of the reasons that it has to be a federal issue is that the federal constitution guarantees every citizen the right to equal protection of the laws. gay and lesbian couples are being denied that protection, it's true you can proceed state by state and nobody thinks that's not a good idea. it's fine to proceed state by state, but as we've seen in a
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number of cases, the state by state battle has not succeeded. and in those cases, like california, and like my home state of new york, it's important that the federal constitution will guarantee equal protection be vindicated. >> in the introduction to talking to you two, i mentioned that gay people seeking the right of marriage was initially seen particularly within the gay community as a pretty conservative course for the movement. mr. olson i know you wrote in newsweek this week, the fact that individuals who happen to be gay want to share in this vital social institution, marriage,evidence that conservative ideals enjoy widespread acceptance. i want to ask you about the conservative legal argument that a federal ruling for gay marriage would be seen as activist judging. so far the record of the state when is they put these things up to a popular vote is like 0-31. what's the argument for securing this right through the courts?
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>> the federal courts, the supreme court of the united states has repeatedly recognized what you said. that marriage is a fundamental right of americans in this country, it is the building block of our community. people who wish to enter into a loving permanent relationship and wish to bond themselves together and share their aspirations and future is a conservative value. i don't think that -- i don't want to claim that as a conservative value necessarily, because it's a liberal value too. it's an american value, but the idea that people want to live together and be a part of a community and help build things together for themselves and their family is certainly a conservative value, but it's also a liberal and an american value. >> when i hear you talk about that human -- the human side of this, and the -- what people go through when they are deprived of civil rights, i know that
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on -- i'm hearing both an argument there that's compelling in a rhetorical sense, but i'm also hearing legal strategy. i know have you been involved in a number of different civil rights issues over the course of your career. you've talked about the need to humanize victims of civil rights violations. you've been asked personal questions -- is that part of the legal strategy? >> absolutely. because there are three basic points we want to make. one is that marriage is it a fundamental right, and nobody can really disagree with that. the second is that gay and lesbian couples are seriously harmed when they're deprived of that right. it harms them, it harms the children that they're raising, and that they want to raise. and one of the ways of expressing that in the court is to bring these people in and let people hear what they're stories are, and i don't think anybody in the courtroom who was there yesterday when these plaintiffs testified could go away unmoved
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by their stories. and the third point is that allowing them to be marrieied doesn't hurt anybody, it doesn't hurt heterosexuals, i can't imagine heterosexuals in love deciding not to get married because our gay neighbor can get married. there isn't harm to anyone in allowing these people to marry the people that they love. and the way that you make that real is by bringing the people into court so everybody can see what they want, how they are, that they're just like you and me, and all they want are the same things that you and i take for granted. the right to go out and marry the person that we love. >> in making mr. olson what you call the conservative case for gay marriage in newsweek, and i hear you saying this is american values, these aren't conservative or liberal values, you wrote you had been
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overwhelmed by skpregsz of gratitugra expressions of gratitude from persons of all life. i would love to hear some of those names if you're at lib irt to share them, but even if you're not, can i ask you, is there more private acceptance of homosexuality among conservatives than people are willing to admit to publicly? >> yes, i believe there is more private acceptance of homosexuality. especially among young people. this country is changing, and it's changing rapidly. the acceptance of people that aren't exactly like us is growing and growing in america. also, one of the things that david and i hope to accomplish with this trial, and we hope that television will be a part of this trial at some point during this case is to look into the hearts and souls of the people that we're representing. the story that david was mentioning is very compelling.
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if you listen to these individuals and you hear our arguments, you are going to agree with us. and if we have the tune to the spread that message throughout the country as this case gives us an opportunity to do, more and more people will accept the decency and equality that our constitution requires. so i think there's increasing acceptance of the fact that there are people that are people in our society, but they're otherwise just like us, and that will increase as people are educated if they will just listen. >> attorneys david boies and ted olson, part of the reason people are list thing is because you two are a very odd couple standing there. we appreciate you both coming on with us tonight. thank you for your time, good luck. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> david boies and ted olson joining us from california where they are in the midst of their federal court fight over proposition 8 in california. we will be right back.
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keith's take on mark mcgwire's apology on the use of steroids. more u.s. presidents have publicly distinguished careers after leaving the white house. as for george w. bush, we'll rundown what he's doing now and you can decide. in any public opinion poll, something getting a clear majority response is usually cause for a headline or two. you know, president's approval ratings below 50%. a majority of respondents think -- if you poll on something and it's wildly lopsided you may end up with a 2/3 majority. when you poll the people of afghanistan, can you get a 95% majority when you ask them if corruption is a problem in their government. 95% of afghans said yes. i'm sure it is incredibly difficult to do a national opinion poll in afghanistan, given the lack of roads. but the bbc and abc and a german
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news program have done just that, and the findings are incredible. 95% of afghans say corruption in their government is a problem. still, though, they prefer their current government to the idea of the taliban coming back into power. 90% want their current government rather than the taliban, and a really small proportion of the afghans want the taliban back. in news, a big majority of afghans support u.s. troops being in their country. 68%, that's even up 5 points from a year ago. last year when afghans were thought whether things would get better over the course of the next year, the optimism number was 51%. now that's risen by 20 points. more than 7 in 10 afghans say things are on the upswing in their country. i'm not that into polls, we
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don't talk about them all that often. because our war there is all about the preferences of the people of and because there seems to be about one poll a year in that whole country, i have to tell you this is one poll i think is worth checking out. it's fascinating reading. we've posted the whole thing on our website rachel.msnbc.com. (vet) i love working with animals, but my allergies put me in a fog. so now, i'm claritin clear! claritin works great on all my allergies like dust, mold, pollen, or pets without making me drowsy, cause i want to be alert around this big guy. live claritin clear.
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forearm president george w. bush has kept very busy over the past 11 1/2 months including speaking at the get motivated seminars where he shared a stage with terry bradshaw and get rich hucksters pitching real estate investment advice. we thought that couldn't be topped but today, thanks to reporting by tpm d.c., we learned about the former leader of the free world's next big gig. >> on saturday, saturday, saturday january 23rd, it's the safari club international convention starring live in person the 43rd president of the united states of america, george w. bush. prepare to be motivated by two terms worth of presidential wit and wisdom. did you know he picks up dog poop in front of his house?
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but wait, joining the president will be liz cheney. bush/cheney. they're back. safari style. but that's not all. chart-toppers three dog night, the bellamy brothers and twist the night away to papa doo run run. they sound more like the beach boys than the beach boys. and while you're here, don't miss our world class hunting seminars like wild game and wine pairing. and designing and building a trophy room that fits you. all this, plus president george w. bush, liz cheney and papa doo run run saturday, january 23rd in reno. be there. hunting for fun? mission accomplished. >> okay. the ad is fake. but all the information true. a george w. bush not yet one year out of the presidencies sharing seminars with things called proper boots proper care alongside liz cheney, three dog
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