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the great news that we have gotten from the cbo. >> and why are they calling it great news? well, the score puts the overall price tag of the bill at $940 billion and says it will reduce the deficit, reduce the deficit, by $130 billion in the first ten years. it's a crucial figure for the democrats. this is all leading up to a 12:00 noon vote on sunday. democratic leaders now tell nbc news they are just five votes away from the 216 they need for passage. that's right. five votes. that was before the cbo numbers came out. and this is according to top democratic sources on capitol hill. nbc's luke russert is live on the hill. luke, what else can you tell us about this cbo report? >> reporter: we can tell you, david, the main selling point that nancy pelosi and steny hoyer, democratic leaders, will bring to their members is deficit reduction.
$130 billion over the first ten years of this bill. $1.2 trillion projected deficit reduction over the next ten years. so over the course of 20 years, that is a lot of money. it cuts deficits by $130 billion, reins in wasteful medicare costs, closes a prescription drug doughnut hole, improves coverage for the middle class, and is fully paid for over ten years. those are their selling points. now, republicans are saying this morning, okay, that's what they're leaking right now in the morning. how exactly do they pay for it? we'll find that out at noon today when speaker pelosi unveils the whole bill. but this is going to be very interesting now because she is so close to getting to that 216 number, it now becomes an argument of, okay, not only are we going to cover 95% of americans, not only are 32 million new people going to be insured, it's also going to reduce costs in the long run. that is going to be her selling point because she needs these fiscally conservative democrats to come on board. the retirees, guys like baird,
tanner, gordon and say, look, before you go on your way out, why don't you help us reduce the deficit? she still has abortion issues, don't get me wrong. she's going to have to figure those out. but yesterday, dale killdy from michigan, very much a pro-life democrat, actually studying to be a catholic priest for six years, said he was okay with the senate language. we've got to think mr. stupak's 12 are not necessarily 12. maybe they're two or three or four. but this is a huge development for the democrats. they're very happy to get these numbers out. and now maybe president obama's plane doesn't leave at 10:00 in the morning on sunday, david. perhaps it's a noon, 1:00 departure to asia. it would be really interesting to see. >> it's going to be fascinating indeed. luke russert on capitol hill. as luke is reporting, everybody now in congress is starting to pore over those details to see what's in the legislation and the score itself. but of all the controversies in the health care debate, the process the democrats may use to pass the bill has become a source of contention, at least
for conservatives and the conservative media. president obama weighed in during a heated interview with fox news yesterday with interviewer brett baer interrupting the president several times. nbc's kelly o'donnell has more on the back-and-forth. >> i don't spend a lot of time worrying about what the procedural rules are in the house or the senate. >> reporter: but there is a heated fight over the fairness of those rules. house republican leader john boehner. >> you can't hide from this vote. you can't gimmick this process up. >> in washington, i'm brett baer. >> reporter: that issue spilled into a contentious interview the president gave to fox news. >> what i can tell you is, is that the vote that's taken in the house will be a vote for health care reform, and if people vote yes, whatever form that takes, that is going to be a vote for health care reform. and i don't think we should pretend otherwise. >> mr. president, this monday -- >> brett, let me finish. >> reporter: democrats may use a controversial vote shortcut
called deem and pass. >> so you support the deem and pass rule? >> i am not -- >> you're saying that that's that vote? >> what i'm saying is that whatever they end up voting on, and i hope it's going to be sometime this week, that it is going to be a vote for or against my health care proposal. and that's what matters. >> reporter: house democrats want to make big, and some say popular changes that would strip out of the senate version of health care lots of deals cut for specific states and then vote on it. the president was quizzed project by project on what stays and what goes. >> everybody knows what's in the bill. i sat for seven hours -- >> mr. president, you couldn't tell me what the special deals are that are in or not today. >> i just told you what was -- >> is connecticut in? >> connecticut -- what are you specifically referring to? >> reporter: mr. obama said he expects states to be treated equally. but that won't matter unless the president and house speaker nancy pelosi convince enough wary democrats.
they have turned ohio congressman dennis kucinich who stressed he still has doubts about the bill. >> i've decided to cast a vote in favor of the legislation. >> reporter: the president had this message for democrat holdouts. >> if they vote against it, then they're going to be voting against health care reform, and they're going to be voting in favor of the status quo. >> reporter: it was a spirited exchange. >> they're going to be able to keep their doctor -- >> you've got to let me finish my answer. >> sir, i know you don't like the filibuster. >> well, i'm trying to answer your questions, and you keep on interrupting. >> so if it doesn't pass, does it diminish your presidency? >> well, if it doesn't pass, i'm more concerned what it does to families out there who right now are getting crushed by rising health care costs and small businesses having to make a decision do i hire or do i fix health care? that's the reason i make these decisions. >> mr. president, i'm getting wrapped up, and i don't want to interrupt you, but to finish up, do you think this is going to pass? >> i do. i'm confident it will pass.
and the reason i'm confident that it's going to pass is because it's the right thing to do. >> i apologize for interrupting you so much, sir. >> that's your job. >> trying to get the most for our buck. >> with the health care vote now looking like it's going to come on sunday regardless of the process and democrats still a few votes short of what they need, all eyes today are turning to a handful of house democrats who remain undecided. congressman adam smith, democrat from washington, is among those who appear undecided and are being squeezed. congressman, are you still undecided, and if so, why? >> i am leaning in favor of the bill. and what i've said all along is, i understand the senate bill. it's been out there for three months. i've had the chance to read it and study it repeatedly. i wanted to make sure i understood the additions made through the reconciliation process. those were put out about three, four days ago. i've studied them. the cbo numbers that just came out are very helpful. and i'm leaning in favor. but i want to have a little bit of a chance to look for closely as the cbo numbers and understand the substance of the bill. i do want to say that on the
process argument, i think the process argument has no merit to it. we are going to vote on this bill. the idea that somehow you can pass something without voting on it is ridiculous. we're going to vote on it. it may be a rule, but we are going to vote on this bill. and every member is going to have to stand or fall, support or oppose this bill. we will vote on the substance of this legislation. >> let's go through the cbo numbers together because like you, i'm also just poring through the details right now. i want to get your reaction. it cuts the deficit by $130 billion in the first ten years. your reaction to that. >> i think that's positive. i think the second ten-year numbers are the ones that are really positive. >> okay. >> it cuts it by over $1 trillion. because that puts in place -- that bends the cost curve. that's what we've been talking about. >> how about the idea -- >> positive numbers. >> how about the idea this is fully paid for, it costs $940 billion over a decade? >> i think that is very good and very positive. the one thing i will say is, you know, this is not the last time we're going to have to deal with
cost control within health care. we're going to have to constantly fight that battle. although it saves $130 billion over the next ten years, we're adding quite a bit to the deficit between now and then. we've got a lot more work to do to be fiscally responsible. >> well, and adding to the deficit includes closing the prescription drug doughnut hole which will come with a cost. your reaction to that. >> i think that's a very good idea. now, the one thing we have to do, we also have to be a lot smarter about how we purchase pharmaceuticals and look to jenner eck alternatives. we have to make sure people are taking the medicine they really need. that's why the emphasis in this bill on primary care physicians, on giving them more time to deal with their patients are moving us away for fi fee-for-service medicine. i think that's every bit as important as closing the doughnut hole. when you hear seniors say they're on 15 different prescriptions, i can't imagine it's good for your health to be on 15 different prescriptions. so we need to do more than just close the doughnut hole to get this under control. >> finally, the leaders of your party and also the white house
biting their nails now as far as this vote, you voted in favor of the house bill in fall. you didn't have a lot of time to look at that. how much time do you need to officially make your decision on this bill? >> well, that's not actually true. the house bill was put out in july. and i had several months to look at it. look, this is a major, major decision. it's $2.4 trillion, 16% of the economy. and i'm going to take the time that i need to study the legislation, understand it, and also we have to make sure that we can defend this to our constituents because rest assured, if this bill is not popular, we live in a representative democracy. the people will figure out a way to stop it. so we've got to come up with the arguments. we've got to make sure that we understand them and that we can clearly articulate to the american people why we did what we did on the substance and on the process. as we've talked about the process. >> but fair to say you're not going to make up your decision on the house floor at noon on sunday, that you're going to make your decision before then? >> oh, no, certainly not. certainly not. i'm not going to be walking down
there to vote not sure how i'm going to vote. that's absolutely not going to happen. i'm going to make my decision before that. and again on the process, we're voting on the bill, people. let's debate the bill, forget the process. we are voting on the bill. do you support it or don't you? >> a great discussion to be had about why some of the conservative media are putting out this idea that there's not a vote, but we'll have that discussion another day. adam smith, congressman, thank you. there is some good news on the economic front, sort of, this morning. first-time jobless claims fell slightly for the third straight week. the number of newly laid-off workers on the unemployment line is down 5,000 to 457,000 according to the labor department. that is about in line with expectations. but even with the drop, the number's still too high to indicate any new hiring. just moments from now, the woman who called herself jihad jane is scheduled to make her first court appearance. colleen larose has spent the last six months in prison. this morning the 46-year-old
faces formal charges that she conspired to kill a swedish artist whose sketches offended muslims around the world. nbc's michelle franzen is outside the courthouse with the latest. michelle. >> reporter: well, david, certainly colleen larose, better known as jihad jane, is expected to make that appearance here this morning. as you mentioned, her first for the arraignment to conspire, to commit violent jihad. certainly, over the last few months, a lot of details left unknown at this time. last week we just learned that the indictment had been unsealed and that she had actually been arrested back in october apparently at philadelphia international airport. while on her way back from london. of course, she is accused of conspiring and certainly reaching out to conspirators in that plot that you mentioned before. what we don't know yet is if she was perhaps working with the fbi all these months helping until they were able to make those
arrests with other kocco co-conspirators. we're told she's from an area just outside of allentown, pennsylvania. it will be, again, her first appearance in this next hour, and she'll be entering her plea. david? >> nbc's michelle franzen live from philadelphia, michelle, thanks for the report. is osama bin laden wanted dead or alive? well, that depends on who you ask. plus, the billion-dollar bernie madoff got beaten up in prison. were angry investors behind the attack? the details ahead. plus -- >> a silent mouth is sweet to hear. i'm going to yield to that proverb -- >> uh-oh. what did vice president joe biden say this time around? you're watching msnbc news. a sore nose... ...and plain tissue... ...caused quite a commotion.
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he, his mom and siblings are reportedly doing just fine this morning. prescription drugs are the hot new item on the black market. in connecticut this past weekend, a $75 million heist in a pharmaceutical warehouse was just the boldest of the growing phenomena. thieves cut a hole in the roof, disabled the alarm and made off with enough drugs to fill a tractor trailer. law enforcement officials estimate pharmaceutical heists have quadrupled since 2006. "the wall street journal" is reporting disgraced financier bernie madoff was physically assaulted by another inmate back in december. officials at the prison deny the incident saying it's virtually impossible because madoff and the alleged assailant live in different units. according to sources, though, after the alleged beating madoff was treated for a broken nose, fractured ribs and cuts to his face. there are several new developments this morning in the war on al qaeda including two notes from the world's most-wanted man. but first, an unmanned drone
attack in western pakistan has reportedly killed a top al qaeda bombmaker. his name is saddam hussein al a hasami, believed to have played a role in the incident in afghanistan which left seven cia officers dead. strikes like the one that one inside pakistan have driven osama bin laden deeper into hiding. cia director leon panetta says the attacks have also disrupted al qaeda's ability to plan sophisticated operations. and nato's commander in afghanistan says the united states is still searching for bin laden. general stanley mcchrystal says he would love to capture the al qaeda leader alive. but that seems to contradict attorney general eric holder's recent statement that the chances of catching bin laden were infintecimal. have the recent air strikes against al qaeda really weakened the terror organization? nbc news pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski joins us with
the latest analysis. jim. >> david, you know, there's no question that al qaeda leadership and the ability to conduct major operations like the one carried out on 9/11 here in the united states has been severely weakened by a very aggressive, longstanding, long-running campaign by the u.s. particularly the cia which has stepped up its predator drone strikes in western pakistan in the past year, year and a half. and as leon panetta, the director of the cia, said, in an extraordinary revelation, public revelation, that the cia intercepted a message from al qaeda lieutenants to osama bin laden himself pleading with bin laden to please provide some leadership, indicating that al qaeda is in deep disarray. but david, counterterrorism officials will say we've seen this played out before where there are other instances where it's clear that al qaeda is in
disarray, but it doesn't mean that al qaeda is any less resilient right now and still has the ability to carry out some attacks. as evidenced by the attempt at least on christmas day when the suicide bomber flew into detroit and quite frankly it was lucky that his bomb malfunctioned, david. >> and jim, that point about the intercept suggesting that they're pleading with bin laden, i wonder if you think this is further evidence bin laden's still alive, he's still out there someplace. >> well, he definitely -- as far as we know, the last we heard from him was probably about two months ago when he delivered a very brief -- in late january -- a very brief taped message. and all indications are that that was current and that he is still alive somewhere. and in terms of the dispute between the attorney general, eric holder, and general mcchrystal, you know, they're both -- they're both right, quite frankly. you know, if, in fact, as mcchrystal said, they have evidence of his whereabouts,
they'd very much like to capture osama bin laden. but the chances, just as holder said, are very slim. >> great point. jim miklaszewski live at the pentagon, thanks for the report. >> all right. vice president joe biden did not have the luck of the irish on st. patrick's day yesterday. he paid his respects to the mother of ireland's prime minister, only she's not dead. >> he knows a lot about it. his mom lived in long island for ten years or so. god rest her soul. although she's -- wait, your mom's still -- your mom's still alive. it was your dad that passed. god bless her soul. i've got to get this straight. >> the prime minister took it all in stride, even proclaiming biden, quote, one of our own. do you live in america's craziest city? you can find out in just three minutes.
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an unusual break-in at a pennsylvania home early yesterday is topping our look at shu-tubes today. a man says an intruder crawled into his bed. >> i was sleeping. i was sleeping right there! and i felt it on my leg. >> frank fontana says he did not hear the suspect knock down two doors as he broke into his home-when someone pulled back the covers to get into his bed, fontana thought it was his girlfriend. so he said her name. and when a deep male voice replied, no, it's not, fontana jumped out of bed and grabbed a baseball bat.
>> i says, who are you? you know, what are you doing here? and he's, like, don't hit me, don't hit me, don't hit me! i said get down on the floor. get down on your stomach. he wouldn't get down on his stomach. so i went in there and got my phone and i called 911. >> police arrested 33-year-old michael camu and charged him with breaking and entering and criminal trespassing. police say that while the suspect was drunk when they arrested him, they said he seemed to know what he was doing. a suspect in a wild high-speed chase in australia on wednesday has now managed to escape police again. the suspect hijacked several cars in the city of perth and drove over streets and even sidewalks before slamming into a road black. he was injured and taken to the hospital. as the suspect is being released today and taken to jail, he escaped again. and again police are trying to find him. divers from down under are
showing off some video today they took in january while diving off australia's great barrier reef. the divers say they were able to grab on to the dorsal fin of a ten foot long wild tiger shark and ride along. the divers are trained professionals, and they warn other divers against trying to do this. the video they taped is going to air on a travel blog. it is not every day you're talked about by the president, and the boys of "south park" unless you're tiger woods. the comedy central cartoon premiered its 14th season last night with a special episode devoted to sex addiction. as usual, cartman and company did not pull any punches, airing tiger's apology and coming up with a reason for why he and others have strayed. >> independence hall, independent day, aliens, gentlemen, i might know what's causing the sex addiction outbreak. >> you think these aliens could be back with a new virus, one
originating from independence hall causing rich, successful men to have sex with lots of women? >> it's the only explanation that makes any sense. >> in an interview with brett baer of fox news last night, president obama discussed the salient issues of the day, health care, israel and the state of tiger woods's marriage. >> tiger has acknowledged that he, you know, betrayed his family, and that's a personal issue that he's got to work out. i hope they've worked it out. i'm sure he's going to still be a terrific golfer. >> the news broke on tuesday that tiger would be returning to the green at the masters in augusta next month. right now, the red river in fargo, north dakota, is already at major flood stage, and it's not expected to crest until this weekend. will the 1 million sandbags prevent the city from going under water? and want to know just how bad things are right now on capitol hill? lawmakers are now trying to block each other's resolutions
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there is a race against the red river. it is already 20 feet over flood stage. and by the weekend, the red river is expected to be 28 feet above normal. so what does that mean? nbc's kevin tibbles is live in fargo, north dakota, to tell us about the fight the residents have on their hands. kevin. >> reporter: hey, david. well, it certainly is a bit of a nail-biter out here, especially because the red river broke all records last year, topping 40 feet above flood stage. people are hoping that it doesn't reach that point this year. but there's a lot of concern because there was so much snow on the plains states over the winter months. and then in march the weather has been so warm, it is melting faster than expected. they have already made 1 million sandbags in this area. 750,000 of them have been deployed in these sort of manmade levees that are situated all over the fargo and moorhead, minnesota, area. they've got 250,000 in reserve.
and now they're just sitting back and waiting and hoping this water on sunday, when it crests, doesn't go over the top. david? >> nbc's kevin tibles in fargo, north dakota, thanks for the update. there's some odd weather impact news around the world. in australia today, a lifeguard competing in a national competition needed to be rescued after a giant wave flipped his boat over and sent him flying into the water. several boats ended up capsizing in the rough surf. look at that. the waves are from a category 3 cyclone sitting offshore. that storm is expected to hit australia's northern coast over the weekend. call us crazy, but we couldn't help taking note of the latest rankings by the folks at thedailybeast.com. they've ranked the 57 craziest cities in the america. the criteria included the number of psychiatrists per capita, the amount of beer consumed per capita, levels of stress and the percentage of eccentric city dwellers. cincinnati, ohio, best known for
chili and pete rose ranks number one on the crazy town list. rounding out the top five, san francisco, providence, rhode island, milwaukee and las vegas. we are joined by liz goodwin of thedailybeast.com. why cincinnati? what about the criteria pushed it to the top? >> well, it is stress. they have a very high stress level. i think it was in the top five of all 57 cities that we ranked. so a lot of wound-up folks in cincinnati, apparently. >> and, again, how do you define stress? >> well, it was from a gallup poll in 2008 that asked people about their emotional stress levels and mental health. >> now, in the top five, san francisco, i gather they have the highest rate of psychiatrists per capita in san francisco. you could look at that as maybe they need more help or maybe they're getting more help than other cities. >> that's true. but san francisco also rates high on our general eccentricity ranking which they helped us out with. >> san francisco, eccentric,
understatement. what about milwaukee? it seems like a nice, calm, midwestern city. why milwaukee in the top five as crazy? >> milwaukee is number one for drinking. that's actually where i was born. so i'm proud of them for making the top five. >> do you drink? >> they're tied with las vegas for drinking at number five. >> what about other cities where there's a lot of drinking? >> also austin. austin was number two, i think, but they had very low stress levels. so they didn't make it into the top ten even though their motto is keep austin weird. >> so there's a lesson in all this. that is if there's a lot of drinking, that's fine, but at least drink in a place where there's not a lot of stress. >> right. it's a nice place to live probably. >> liz goodwin from thedailybeast.com. we love the lists. >> thank you. >> thanks for joining us. appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. the reverend jesse jackson joins us next with his five reasons why congress needs to pass health care legislation.
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a new study finds post-menopausal women who consume a high-fat diet are at greater risk of a stroke. researchers at the university of north carolina found those with the most dietary fat had a 40% higher chance of having a clot-caused stroke compared to women who ate the least amount. democrats are now looking at a sunday afternoon vote on the health care reform bill. sources tell nbc news that the democrats may be just five away from the 216 needed. and that was before the cbo score came out this morning. we heard from republicans a short time ago, and they remain united against the bill. >> republicans in the house and senate have worked closely together over the last year. and we're going to continue to
work closer together and to do everything that we can do to make sure that this bill never, ever, ever passes. our next guest, the reverend jesse jackson, is urging lawmakers to pass the sweeping health care reform legislation. reverend jackson, good of you to join us this morning. >> good to be with you today. this is an astonishing discussion to me in that we know it's morally right, covering more people is morally right. it also is necessary. 50 million americans have no health insurance, which is in part driving unemployment and the home foreclosure crisis. and what's most astonishing is that those arguing against the health care bill themselves have a health care bill paid for by the people. >> what do you make of some of the wavering democrats who, whether they say that the language in the senate bill does not do enough to make sure there are no funds spent on abortion, and other democrats who still need more time to decide? what's going on? >> the bigger issue may be the issue of public option.
because without public option you cannot really contain the greed of insurance companies and pharmaceuticals and hospitals. there is one medicine, i can't think of the name of it, where -- it's made in canada by a u.s. pharmaceutical. and canada, it's $250, here it's $1400. and the capacity to stop that kind of pharmaceutical exploitation. a hospital bill may be $2,000, and the insurance companies, their stock is rising because you're giving them 30 million more customers. so some people react to that. but given the to and fro of this thing, it's better to have more people covered. and i can't help but think about the issue of preexisting conditions. so many people are simply sick and dying that need the help. >> what have you heard as far as -- and what's your understanding in terms of the public option? there are 41 votes in the senate. there are others that might be convinced. the president hasn't made any lobbying phone calls for the public option, and yet we saw the intense lobbying on dennis kucinich and other progressive
democrats this week. why that sort of approach? very intense lobbying on progressives, not much lobbying on centrists to try to do the public option? >> i don't know. i wish he would. i think in the end, the reason why you have to support this is that the not supporting the bill in absolute terms, the president going goes to the caucus in baltimore, an open, televised discussion and reject it in all zeros, the white house, 5-5, which means their issue is not the health care, it's november. so politics is trumping all rational thought. the same forces against public option are also against public transportation being financed, public education, against public health care. and so therefore the president has no choice but to go down the road and choose victory even if there is some pain in the process. >> finally, i know several members of the congressional black caucus have been disappointed with the $15 billion jobs bill the president's going to be signing this morning. a lot of people think it could
have been more targeted to help specific areas of the country where unemployment is extremely high. >> well, based upon need, the bill is not corresponding to the size of the crisis. you have $185 billion bailout for aig and a $15 billion bailout for jobs, it does not correspond to the size of the problem. besides targeting those who are most in need. i hope we will survive the health care struggle and survive for another day. one thing that strikes me is these bus drivers, train operators, these are green jobs, we are laying off thousands, in chicago, 1100, new york, thousands of transit operators. and to lay off these transit workers on the one hand, allow them to be laid off, and then a jobs bill now that is meeting themselves in the air. if we recommit ourselves to urban transportation-suburban transportation and we make the steal as in gary and pittsburgh and birmingham, we make lines
for the windmills -- >> you're getting into a subject that i want to talk about. unfortunately we can't talk about it today and we will be talking about it in the future. >> urban policy is a job creation policy. >> reverend jesse jackson, good of you to come in today. good to see you. march madness has now collided with the partisan guide on the house floor. majority leader steny highwoyer honoring the university of maryland and also has acc player of the year and coach of the year. keeping with partisan tensions, john campbell opposed the resolution and accused hoyer of having double standards. here's hoyer first, then campbell. >> maryland was picked very low in the acc, steny. the reason gary williams has been chosen, appropriately, for the honor of being coach of the year is because he took a team that did not have high expectations from the public and took it to a tie with duke.
>> last october i authored a similar resolution for a university in my district, university of california at irvine, also known as uci, whose men's volleyball team won the national championship. they didn't just make the playoffs. they won the national championship. and the majority leader whose bill this is pulled that resolution. those kids who won that national championship were not able to get the same recognition that apparently today these players for maryland who are just in the playoffs are going to receive. >> nbc's luke russert is on capitol hill. i understand representative campbell then asked for a recorded vote? >> reporter: he did, something which is very odd at that moment, considering the chamber was almost empty. david, how amazing is it that washington has gotten this bad? guys, you have to understand, resolutions like this have been all the time. there is one honoring the chinese philosopher confucius,
religious orders, sports teams, the new orleans saints had one. these happen all the time. and it was almost -- we were all awestruck to see someone stand up and go against this type of resolution. campbell not only spoke out against it, he put in some digs at steny hoyer. he goes, maryland, of the 65 teams, has the lowest graduation rate at 8% for its basketball players, and said we shouldn't honor them because this resolution's coming out of the education committee. absolutely unbelievable stuff. update for terrapins fans, they got the last laugh. the bill did pass, 279. they were able to muster 132 gop votes against it. but when you can't even honor your alma mater on the house floor, you know the climate's gotten pretty bad in washington, david. >> unbelievable stuff and great stuff to cover. nbc's luke russert, thank you. we've got breaking news
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coming up at 3:00 p.m., our special series "is america ready?" today's focus, is it ready for a third legitimate political party. we'll be reporting live from the white house today at 3:00 p.m. for that story and many others. the broadcast world is buzzing today over a contentious interview president obama had yesterday with fox. it got pretty heated when brett baer interrupted the president numerous times. take a listen. >> we're fixing a broken system. >> okay, back to the original question. >> the key -- >> you called it an ugly
process. the reason the u.s. economy, sir. how can you -- >> so the notion -- >> you guaranteed that they're going to be able to keep their doctor. >> brett, you've got to let me finish. for seven hours -- >> mr. president, you couldn't tell me the special deals that are in this or not. mr. president, i'm getting wrapped up and i don't want to interrupt you. i apologize for interrupting you so much, sir. i was trying to get the most for our buck here. >> wow. joining us in studio, blogger for politics daily, and david, online opinion editor for "the washington examiner." david, was that inappropriate? >> well, i don't think it's inappropriate for a journalist ever to press the president hard. as we know, fox news didn't always press george bush that hard or dick cheney. i mean, i was just disappointed overall, though, because there were no questions about where the president was born. >> david, your view? >> it struck me when baer was asking about process that he was trying to get the president to own the deem and pass process. and president obama basically
said, okay, i'll own it. if they vote yet, they're voting for my bill, and no, they're voting against it. it seemed baer wouldn't take no for an answer. he kept pushing. i have to agree, i don't think there's anything wrong with interrupting the president during an interview. that particular part, at least, i thought, you know, it sort of made me think, ooh, you know, can we move this along? it's getting a little -- >> brett said -- and i like brett -- brett said they had gotten 18,000 questions in and he was going to read a few. and they all seemed to deal with deem and pass and process issues. i mean, i think the president got better when he said i get 40,000 e-mails a day, and the substance. >> the president, i think, won that exchange. david, anita dunn said communications arm of the republican party. >> that's fine. you can call names and sling mud. i mean, fox news definitely -- it has more of a center-right perspective than msnbc which generally has more of a
center-left. >> the difference is -- and i've worked at both places -- and you can find this from every sort of media analyst who's objective, fox is far more conservative overall than msnbc could ever be liberal. it's not a question of one's five points to the right and one's five points to the left. it's not like that at all. >> i don't know exactly how you would quantify that. i watch msnbc all the time. i think it definitely has a very liberal lean. but, you know -- >> here's an example. today we've seen my colleagues, counterparts, news anchors during the day on fox who repeatedly say how can they have a vote on health care reform, how can they pass this without having a vote? we know there's going to be a vote. it may not be the vote on the senate bill that they want. >> i think the point is that fox often absorbs the talking points and language that the republican party conservatives are pushing, you know. and if you look, i don't think there's anyone -- you talk about
rachel maddow or keith olbermann, they're liberals. i don't think there's as far left or as far off the charts as, say, glenn beck is. and when you have sceean hannit doing interviews with dick cheney and sarah palin, you have softballs. i've seen rachel interview people who are democrats, and she's not as soft on that. so i do think there are some -- these are not objective judgments. they're subjective judgments. you line up the list, and i think overall the atmosphere is far to the right than to the left. but nevertheless, brett can be judged as a news person. >> i give brett credit. i liked the interview. i agree. i think it is fine when the president isn't answering a question, you follow up, i think the issue fox may have, when they start looking back at previous interviews brett did, they'll find a different style towards george w. bush than he displayed with president obama. but that's an issue for media critics to deal with. thank you both for coming in. fascinating issue in the world of broadcasting.
that does it for me. i'll see you right back here at 3:00 p.m. eastern time. tamron hall picks things up next on more with the democrats' rush to 216 for health care reform. will speaker pelosi get enough votes to pass the bill this weekend? tamron will ask one of the undecideds. she's also following breaking news. jihad jane just pleaded not guilty to terrorism charges. more details on that case in just a few minutes. we know why we're here.
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