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endearing she gets the words wrong and she does not apparently have a merriam webster's dictionary, but it is certainly not in her m.o. to say i ssed up. that has never been in her m.o. >> alex wagner from "politics daily" who has never messed up. >> never, never. >> that is going to do it for this monday edition of "countdown." i'm in for the vacationing keith olbermann, and i will see you this fall on nbc, and i won't see you, but you can see me and i can't actually see you, but you all get it. our msnbc coverage continues now with the "rachel maddow show." good evening, rachel. >> good evening, lawrence. i can't believe you gave away the whole trick. >> i can see you. >> and i can see you, too. and sometimes i pretend like i can see everybody at home but that's just to keep them in line. >> it works. >> thank you. and thanks to you at home who i can see for staying with us for
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the next hour. secretary of state hillary clinton explains something today about the war in afghanistan that i have never heard any official admit to about this where before. nbc's richard engle will be here. there is all sort of fresh and amazing chaos among washington controlled and/or straight up for-profit tea parties today. we will clear all that up. bp makes a move that tony soprano would definitely admire. and marco rubio produced a very charming but pointless political ad about this very tv show. and in the summer of a real life news that seems like a spy novel or an action movie, we've got another one. this time it is a nuclear heist gone terribly awry. explaining it involves a weird detour about very old wine, and eccentric american billionaires. i kid you not. that's our story tonight and that's all to come. we begin tonight with a totally unexpected development inside republican party politics. as the republicans' big economic
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talking point, what they want to run on in 2010 is destroyed by one of their own. destroyed by a fellow nationally known republican candidate. here's the talking point in question. >> let me propose something that may seem crazy to you. you don't need to pay for tax cuts. they pay for themselves. >> you need policies like making permanent the '01 and '03 tax cuts. they will be paid for because they create economic growth. >> when president obama imposed those tax cuts they can generated economic growth. they expand the economy. they expand revenue. >> behold the republican economy talking point for this year. the bush tax cuts for rich people have to be extended. and don't worry about offsetting those tax cuts. don't worry about paying for them because they're free. they pay for themselves. they don't add to the deficit them actually reduce the deficit. the shock political development tonight is the way that this
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philosophy, this talking point is being debunked and dismantled, complete with a that pithy insulting from within the republican party. a nationally known republican sage. a public gray beard is taking his fellow republicans apart on this. >> so what i'm saying is that it just isn't going to work. and it is very interesting that the man who invested this type of what i call a voodoo economic policy -- >> voodoo economics. the idea that massive tax cuts can actually reduce the deficit and help balance the budget. it is voodoo economics. burn! that was, of course, george herbert walker bush way back in the primary season before the 1980 election. debunking fellow republican ronald reagan's promise. his campaign promise that he would balance the budget while also giving massive tax cuts. >> a big difference, for
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example, that the governor and i have regards this tax cut. in my judgment, that economic program would exacerbate the deficit. it would result in less stimulation of the economy. >> papa bush as you know, ultimately lost that republican primary but he did turn out to be right about ronald reagan. and the whole idea of voodoo economics. when president reagan entered office, the national debt was about $994 billion, and when ronald reagan left office it had swelled to $2.8 trillion. love ronald reagan or hate him, when poppy bush said that reagan's economic policies would exacerbate the deficit, boy howdy, he was not kidding. and reagan's supply side trickle down nonsense about how his tax cuts would pay for themselves, they wouldn't add to the deficit. that was, well, you say it, poppy bush. >> what i call a voodoo economic policy.
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>> george bush, sr., was right, it is voodoo economics. tax cuts don't actually pay for themselves. if they are not offset, they grew the deficit just like spending does. and yet, when george bush senior's son was president and pushing through his own massive tax cuts, listen to the argument that he made. >> tax relief not only has helped the economy, but helped the federal budget. you cut taxes, and the tax revenues increase. >> if it sounds too good to be true, that is because it is. that argument was debunked by his dad years before. it was debunked by the experience of the reagan administration. it was debunked even at the time that george w. bush was making that argument by his own economic advisers. a 2003 report to george w. bush from his council of economic advisers said that although the economy grows in response to tax reductions, it is unlikely to
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grow because such lost tax revenue is completely recovered. in other words, they're not paid for. in 2006, bush's treasury secretary hank paulson said as a general rule, i don't believe tax cuts pay for themselves. in 2007, bush's former chief economist wrote to people in the administration. quote, you are smart people. you know that the tax cut have not fueled record revenues. you may not care that tax cuts add to the deficit. you may think the deficit doesn't matter. you may think reducing tax rates on rich people is so important that the whole country should take on debt in order to pay for that. the idea that tax cuts are going to magically not affect the deficit. the idea that steve bennett at the "washington monthly" said today is that the giant tax fairy is going to come in and make giant tax cuts not balloon the deficit, the argument that one way to cut the deficit is to
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cut taxes, it is nonsense. it's magic. it's well -- >> what i call a voodoo economic policy. >> thank you, sir. today at the white house, no one said the word voodoo but president obama turned criticism of republicans blocking unemployment benefits into an attack on the way republicans do like the spend money. >> i have to say, after years of championing policy that's turned a record surplus into a massive deficit, the same people who didn't have any problem spending hundreds of billions of dollars on tax breaks for the wealthiest americans are now saying we shouldn't offer relief to middle-class americans. >> president obama obviously wants unemployment benefits extended to help ease the pain on the million of americans out of work right now but he is also making a larger argument about how republicans govern. what republican priorities are. democrats obviously want this upcoming election to be as much as possible about republicans. they want it to be about what's wrong with individual republican candidates, what's being proposed in terms of individual republican policies. republicans, on the other hand,
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keep saying over and over again that they really want this election to be about spending and the deficit. they say they want to run on the fiscal conservative credentials which is a framing that the democrats should welcome. here's how the national debt has increased under republican and democratic presidents. on the democratic side, the debt went up 42% under jimmy carter and 36% under bill clinton. on the republican side, it went up 189% under ronald reagan and went up 55% under george bush, sr., and went up a whopping 89% under george busbush, jr. so that's the record of fiscal conservatism that republicans want to run original apparently. as both bush presidents would say. >> read my lips. >> bring them on. >> joining us now, democratic senator jeff merckly of oregon. thank you for your time tonight. >> great to be with you.
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>> senator, the new democratic senator from west virginia is expected to be sworn in tomorrow. should we expect that will mean the senate will be finally able to extend the unemployment benefit? >> you should be able to expect that. and it is none too soon. we're having a situation in states like mine, in oregon, we have 40,000 people who have lost their unemployment benefits. if you put that across the country, that's 4 million people. so we really have a contrast here with programs to help the wealthiest or programs to help working americans bridge through this deep recession to a better time. >> republicans are arguing the arraign to help the wealthiest americans is because doing so is free. extending the top tier of the bush tax cuts for the wealthiest americans is something that wouldn't add to the deficit. what is your reaction to that? >> well, may reaction. this is like a summer sequel of a horror film. we've been there. we've seen exactly what happened under the bush administration, and we saw the national debt double. we saw that none of the
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giveaways to wealthy produced income, and we saw that in worked in tandem with shipping jobs overseas. so, if this is the idea of a national republican economic policy, let's have that debate and we'll bring to bear the statistics of what has happened over time. >> to alleviate the pain felt in specific parts of the economy. i know right now you're trying to push through a small business lending fund. republicans as i understand it are currently blocking that. is what is the course of the opposition? >> well, this is really strange. this is a program to help banks on main street make loans to small businesses. we hear from small businesses in every single state that they are could not strained by their access to credit. they need that credit to seize opportunity, to grow, to take us out of the recession. we have a program that they have
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scored as making the treasury a billion dollars over the next ten years, and yet it can create credit equal to about $300 billion on credit to small businesses. the republicans are opposing it. and why is that? there is no rational reason unless the goal is to drive the american economy into a double dip recession. >> you feel like honestly, that republicans are opposing the policies and promoting the policies they're promoting because they want a bad economic outcome? >> well, you know, i didn't come to d.c. as cynical as i feel here a year and a half later, as a senator. what i have seen is everything politicized by the primary elections and the general election plan for this years, and it certainly appears that all sense has lost all sorts of partnership to make a better economy work for working americans is gone. if a program is going to restore credit to small businesses, then the republican leadership is against it. and we cannot let that happen. we need to have this conversation. we have to have this national debate and i think the american
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people will say that program is not for us. >> senator jeff merkley of oregon, it is a great pleasure to have you on the program tonight. >> great do be here. appreciate it. >> so it turns out, i'm always wrong. always. whatever i say, you should believe the exact opposite. if i say the sky is blue, the sky is definitely chartreuse or lavender, but definitely not blue. that is at least the argument from a new weird ad by florida senate candidate marco rubio in which he says i'm always wrong. so since i'm always wrong, i have this to say, marco rubio's strategy to argue that his policies are right because i ace disagree with nem is the most sophisticated master stroke in american political history and it is sure to win him the election. opposite day. coming up. and plus, richard engle joins us on set next. please do stay with us. when i was a kid, we -- we would just go
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the idea we must all take the tea party movement very seriously.
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because it is a force to be reckoned this and that kind of wisdom comes in pop rocks or one of those styrofoam rocks that you can hide your keys in, in your frontyard.
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>> nine years -- nine years and nine conferences. every year since we started in afghanistan, we have held a conference to talk about what to do there. nine years, nine conferences. and it is this year for the first tame ever that the. yearly conference about what to do in afghanistan is actually
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taking place in afghanistan. first time. and that is your what's wrong with this picture afghanistan microcosm of the day. secretary of state hillary clinton flew to kabul today for the conference. reporters asked her about the concerns that western spending in afghanistan is being diverted to the elites aed on the the corrupt and to the bad guys in the country. she responded with this, quote, we also have to take a hard look at ourself, because it is very clear our presence, all of our contracting has fed that problem. this is not just an afghan problem. it is an international issue. what's remarkable about that from secretary clinton is that it seems to recognize a key and subtle point about this war. extending our duration of our presence there may very well reduce our chances of achieving our goal there. if the end goal is to have a real afghan state functioning there, serving its people, us funneling billions of war dollars into that country breeds corruption and dependence and
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resentment. it undermines an afghan state. it does not promote it. "newsweek's" cover story is titled, we're not winning. it's not worth it. the story is a lengthy argument about why and how to extricate ourselves from the war. is that cover story an effort to move american public opinion? and the administration's opinion on the war? or is that cover story a reflection of where that opinion already is? joining us now, nbc's richard engle. not just the chief foreign correspondent, but he has served as my tour guide and uncompensated carpet salesman on my recent trip there. >> do you have the money? that's why i came. >> everybody thinks that was you giving me $20 for the rug. >> it was my money. >> roll the tape! >> it was your money. i was holding it for you. >> you never carry any money. you did not have any money. >> we'll go with that story. that's fine. >> damn you, richard engle.
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am i right in detecting a sort of new center of gravity in arguments about our presence in afghanistan? do you think that things are shifting? >> things are definitely shifting. the idea is not now that we have to win this war, pa? how many troops is it going to take? it is how do we get out of this war? the shift is focusing on well, what can be the new strategy. is there going to be a negotiated settlement? that's what they are arguing for in that article. there should be some sort of political accommodation and after nine years of war, trying to rebuild and occupy a landlocked central asian country to protect the homeland isn't working, and isn't going to work. >> are there splits among powerful people? among people who tend to influence big policy decisions like this or is that really the common wisdom? are there people dissenting from that and say we need to stay forever? >> i don't think. i think that everyone is trying to figure out how to do it.
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the one issue that nobody is talking about is the key to this is pakistan. i have been told time and time again that pakistan could turn off this problem quickly, in a day as the expression goes. probably not a day, but very very quickly, and pakistan knows it, and they have said that to afghanistan several times, we could fix this problem, but they want certain assurances from the united states, and certain deals from the united states, so, if you can come up with some sort of accommodation with pakistan, you don't need to be in afghanistan anymore. >> what does pakistan want, or what is salient about what pakistan wants that might be hard for the american people and the american government to swallow? >> the pakistan wants to have influence in afghanistan. pakistan wants to have influence in afghanistan to protect itself from india. so it might be difficult for people in the u.s. to accept a stepping back of relationship between india and the united states. which are very close, because people in the united states feel very connected to india, and it is a good partner and trading
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part and world partner. do we have to sacrifice some of our relationship with india in order to plaqueate pakistan in order to save ourselves in afghanistan? maybe. there may be some of that tradeoff that's coming along. it needs to be a political bargain. pakistan needs to be involved. the idea of trying to build the afghan government and send in more troops to try and fight our way or pay our way out of afghanistan. most people don't think it's possible. >> it has to be a pakistan solution. >> it has to be a pakistan and afghan solution. something with the afghan government and taliban reconciliation to a degree. >> when you talked to afghans, and when you talked to pakistanis, when talk to people who are sort of connected to the power brokers in those countries, what are they expecting us to do? do they feel like they see where we're going before we do? >> the afghans are very nervous. we talked about this a lot. they're nervous that there will be a deal and that the country will be sold off to pakistan. and there are many people, particularly ethnic minorities,
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who are worried about this. they don't want the taliban coming back. they don't want more pakistani influence and they are thinking maybe we should to go back into the mountains of afghanistan and fight again. >> does pakistani influence equal taliban? >> it has in the past. so pakistani influence would probably mean more hard line islamic influence. particularly in the border areas. pakistan has found these groups useful allies. useful militias to fight other wars and other things. i think going forward, this is an analogy that i have always use and i think that maybe it is starting to catch on. the war on terrorism and in particular the war on terrorism in afghanistan and think of it a little bit like the war on druks. you remember the war on drugs? well, the war on drugs is similar to the war on terrorism in that you are both fighting a concept and fighting something that is bad, is evil and has a damage on your society and home. but we didn't occupy colombia or
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other drug-producing countries, and we didn't try to rebuild their governments. you try to help the local governments, you try to eradicate drug dealers, killing them when necessary. and i think there is a growing consensus that there is a different kind, that's more the approach you need for terrorism. you don't need to occupy, rebuild, clear, hold and build your own way through every failed state in the world in order to prevent that problem washing back on your shores. >> does that imply that you tolerate some low level of terrorism in the way that winning the war on drugs means tolerating -- >> there are still drugs in america. there would still be terrorism in america. there would still be terrorism in the world. you won't get rid of it. if you could accept, there is a little bomb here and there. that's not the end of the world. you don't need to go occupy every unstable country in the world. if you can protect against it, you can minimize it, you can make it happen as little as possible. >> harden yourself as a target.
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>> harden yourself, the same way that you protect yourselves that would be vulnerable to drugs, schools, ports, and look at the problem and look at it strategic about it, and you can look at terrorism in the same way. there will be some terrorism and there will be some drugs. >> you still don't get that $20. that's a really good try. that was sort of worth $20 but i think nbc pays you. >> i've thought about it. >> i'll just loan you rug whenever you want to borrow it. richard engle, chief nbc correspondent. >> one wing of the tea party movement is organizing a conference on race to avert claim that there is any racism at all in the tea party movement. on the other hand, the leader of another wing of tea party movement has written on behalf of slaves, asking lincoln to repeal emancipation. it is hilarious like only a white tea party guy imperson -- impersonating a tea party
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something just happened in the bp oil disaster that can really be explained only by a scene from season five of the "sopranos." so, tony and carmela are getting
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divorced. because he is a criminal master mind he poisons the well for her so that all the good divorce lawyers are off limits to her. do you remember this good plot twist? >> hello. >> soprano. >> hi, great. thank you. the reason i called, i gave your second the broad strokes. >> you're in the middle of a divorce, and your original attorney retired? >> right. bob greenberg. >> at any rate, i'm thinking it is time i move forward with the divorce proceedings. >> ms. soprano, i'm afraid i'll have to cut it short to you. as far as handling it, i'm afraid i have to recuse myself. your husband has been in to see me for a consultation last year. >> my husband hired you? >> no. but based on our prior meeting, the code of ethical responsibility prevents me. >> he met with greenburg, too. >> he would have found himself in a bit of ethical soup had he actually moved forward. >> i don't understand this. why is my husband so picky. he talked to seven or eight of the top attorneys in new jersey.
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>> you can probably figure that out for yourself. >> jesus christ. >> i understand your frustration, and if you'd like, ki recommend a colleague, someone your husband hasn't contaminated. >> well, okay. >> something your husband hasn't contaminated, perfect verb for using that plot twist in the "sopranos" to understand what bp has been trying to do to science on the gulf coast. all right the "mobile press rechb register" reports that bp has been trying to hire tons of prominent scientists in the gulf coast region to help the company defend itself from the inevitable litigation to come. according to the press register, bp even tried to hire the entire marine sciences department at one alabama university. that school turned bp down, but it is reported that scientists from several other university in the region have accepted bp's offer. the press-register obtained a copy of a contract that bp was shopping to scientists. the contract, quote, prohibits
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the scientists from publishing their research, sharing it with other scientists or speaking about the data they collect for at least three years. scientists approached with the deal told us that bp offered to pay $250 an hour for the scientists to help bp with their legal defense, and of course, for them to not say a word to anyone about what their research shows. the head of the dauphin island sea lab in alabama said, it makes me feel like they were more interested in making sure we couldn't testify against them than in having us testify for them. >> think of how this would work. when the government files a natural resources damages lawsuit against bp, the government will have to turn to the scientific community to build their case against bp. the government will start looking for gulf coast regional experts on sharks and marine invertebrates and plankton and marshes and oceanography, and
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they will be looking for the experts to use as experts. if all goes well, with bp's buy up all the scientists plan, all or most of those gulf coast experts will already be on the bp pay roll, prohibited by contract from sharing their research with anyone, and prohibited by conflict of interest concerns from participating in the government's lawsuit. nice plan, right? tada! or maybe i should say badda bing! ♪ and to see how he's doing ♪ this is the site he's using: ♪ free-credit-score-dot-com! free-credit-score-dot-com! ♪ ♪ free-credit-score-dot-com! vo:offer applies with enrollment in triple advantage. i want to fix up old houses. ♪ [ woman ] when i grow up,
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quote, we colored people have taken a vote and decided we don't cotton to that whole emancipation thing. freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves. and take consequences along with the rewards. that is just too much to ask for us colored people, and we demand that it stop. mr. lincoln, we had a great gig. three squares, room and board, all our decisions made by the massa in the house. please repeal the 13th and 14 amendments and let us get back to where we belong. that was written by tea partyist mark williams on his blog last week. that was a bridge too far for mr. williams and the organize he represents. the tea party express. both man and tea party machine have since been slammed by two other groups. the tea party nation, and the
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national tea party federation which kicked mark and his group out entirely, seemingly. this is perhaps an unsurprising development, give than mark williams is a man most famous in tv land for saying stuff like this. >> mark, what you are saying makes sense to me here when i hear what you say, but then you read on the blog, you call the president an indonesian muslim turned welfare thug and racist in chief. >> yeah. >> and you really believe he is a muslim? do you really believe he is a welfare thug? >> he is certainly acting like it. >> so, mark, the president is an indonesian welfare thug and he's been kicked out of the tea party movement. what does that mean? how do you get kicked out of a movement? how do you get kicked out of the
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tea party movement? do you have to turn in your frequent protest sign making card? do you no longer qualify for a discount on tea pags to staple to the brim of your hat? how do you lose tea partier affiliation? let's see here. the tea party express was created by sal russo who is a long time california republican tea partyier. the tea party express, mark williams' group, should not be confused with a party group called the tea party nation. it is the famous 34 of conventions gone terribly wrong. you'll recall a former republican congressman and presidential hopeful called for reinstating literacy tests. yes, jim crow, i said literacy tests again. tea party nation could not investigation part two was to be held this month in las vegas but ticket sales were slow because of the weather, or so the organization claimed. apparently nobody warned them it was hot in vegas in the summer and tea party for profit convention part two was postponed. the tea party express, mr. williams' group should not be confused with the tea party patriots, which is a whole other thing. they should not be confused with
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the tea party party in florida. that is an actual registered political party, meaning you can vote for its candidates. other tea party groups think that the tea party party are frauds and not really that tea partyish at all. they want them to be called not the tea party but the t.e.a. party. and speaking of could not faugs, there is the newly minted national tea party if he had vague. an umbrella group that includes and has alliances with dick armey's freedom works, the anti-gay research council, the corporate funded americans for prosperity, and until very recently, the aforementioned tea party espresso. have you got all that? tea party express admonished from the tea party nation and booted from the party, and the spokesman for the tea party federation is a guy who runs another group which is called tea party 365, and this gentleman david webb has the power to expel tea party group, and expel tea party people, and
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to call for other tea party conventions. >> think what it would mean to this nation if we would have an open forum and a real summit, a real tea summit instead of a beer sum on race relations. >> he said it and so it was. the uni-tea convention, and i didn't make that up, they made it up for themselves. the uni-tea convention who want to talk about race can have it this month. the tea party express will not be participating. the tea party movement gets talked about and reported on as a movement, as a cohesive organized movement. that explains a lot in american politics rate now. but if this is organized, what counts as disorganized? joining us now is ezra kline from the "washington post" and msnbc contributor. thanks for being here. >> good evening, rachel.
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you will need to borrow glenn beck's blackboard to do that. >> i could do it with a stencil, because you could just write it in, and fill it in after you put the words tea party in there somewhere. >> the confusion, the way i'm talking about it makes it sound confusing but it is no less confusing in real life. i feel like the common wisdom, especially in beltway reporting, is that it is this cohesive movement with leaders and an agenda and clear demands. and in real life when you really report on them, it doesn't seem like they're like that. >> no. and i should say, i'm not a reporter on tea parties, but i'm a reporter for washington politics. what is interesting here is that you are having a moment that is not internally cohesive taking over a movement that is not internally cohesive generally, but quite powerful. michele bachmann filed to have a
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cauc caucus. there will now be a tea party caucus. this gets very, very dangerous for the republican party. it is one thing to have an activated, energetic, disorganized, chaotic grassroots movement that is helping you but you can keep at arm's length. it is another thing to let it into the party. as you saw with the now tea party express, if i remember the intro correctly, they say they're not media-trained. they're not politicians. they're just people. and if you bring that linkage too close, saying the republican party has to answer for all they do. >> in terms of the way this movement, this sort of disorganized movement is affecting the very, very organized republican party, where do you see manifestations of that? what has happened in republican politics that you reflect the power of this movement? >> well, you can name, and john chain has pointed out at least
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four senate races that are in jeopardy because of the tea party. in nevada, of course, they were going to knock off harry reid and sharron angle won. and then charlie crist was locked. then marco rubio looked like you would beat him into the primary. chris moved into the middle and seem to be ahead running a sort of centrist coalition. you have in pennsylvania, it wasn't exactly tea party but it was allied. where specter was driven out. them he became the democrats' 60th vote on health care reform, and then he was knocked out by sestak and looks like they may lose that election, too. you can go sort of on and on and on down the line. at the end of the day, the tea party has given a lot of energy and may end up taking seats away. >> one last issue, on deficits, does the base as articulated through the tea party movement
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or not, care enough about deficits that proposals like marco rubios, does that pose a potential political problem for them if these base voters really do care about deficits? >> but they really don't. there was a tea party poll that asked directly, which would you prefer. the republicans or the government in general focus on tax cuts or deficit reduction? tax cuts won out to about 42 or 43. there doesn't appear to be a conflict like the republican party itself, deficits are convenient but tax cuts are the actual priority. >> as staff writer for "washington post" and msnbc contributor, next time we will do the whole thing with puppets, okay? >> okay. coming up on "countdown," the former adviser richard clarke talks about the giant landmark two-year investigation of the unwieldy shocking expose
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koch industries is the largest privately held oil and chemical company in the country. the privately owned as in the koch family oriented. you may remember that david koch spent his wealth on propping up the tea party movement. he is the chair of the american for prosperity foundation and supports lots of other right wing causes. another fabulously wealthy coke brother spends his money in a way that is less fox newsy and more life styles of the rich and famousy. he had a yacht racing team that won the america cup. he collects many artists. sxer one listed in the index to your introduction of expensive art tech book. and bill koch collects wine. he collects really expensive wine. and one of the best articles
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published in the new yorker in a long time, a couple years ago about how bill koch, this fabulously welcome koch brother, spent a half million years buying wine that had supposedly been owned by thomas jefferson. but after he bought it, bill coke started to worry that he had been swindled. to test whether the thomas jefferson wine was really from the 18th century, he had the bottles dated by a scientist. not carbon dated like it was a fossil, it is a thing that doesn't really exist in nature. it didn't exist in this world until human invented nuclear bombs. it is something produced only by nuclear fission. if you find it on something or in something, then that you know that thing is atomic age. post 1945. its providence is sometime after the first nuclear explosion on earth, and if your things shows traces of cesium 147, it is post 19 45shgs but it does not show traces of cesium 147, it is
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pre-1945, right? well, zillionair bill koch had his bottles of wine tested to see if they contained the cesium 137 or if they were passed off. that is the most i have ever learned about the cesium 137 to know that you can mark the start of the post nuclear age. another thing that caught my eye was how cesium is highly radioactive and it is around because we produce it at the nuclear labs because it has medical and industrial factories, so if a terrorist wanted to cause nuclear fallout instead of nuclear destruction, chemists always cite cesium.
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and now, get this, fife men were arrested in south africa after a shootout in a crowded area, because they were charged with selling cesium to someone who was an undercover police agent. it happened at a gas station, and there were many officers there, and much gunshot and a foot chase for the suspects. the suspects were caught with some highly radioactive cesium 137, and they didn't say they had it, but they had it in the possession. the cesium had been shielded expertly in lead to make it safe to handle. so someone involved in this somewhere along the line was a pro. the stuff was packaged properly which is comfortable to anyone who was anywhere near those arrests that there was no contamination in the area, but it is worrisome where it came from. these guys got it from someone who knew what he or she was
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doing in dealing with the highly radioactive material or the five suspects knew it. they have planned to sell that radioactive material as part of a larger sale that included the cesium and an industrial nuclear device. huh? in the voice of america, and in local south african and international reporting on this story, the device that the guys wanted to sell along with the cesium is consistently described, i kid you not, as an industrial nuclear device. people haven't found, police haven't found this industrial nuclear device yet, but the police believe it exists, and they say that the asking price for the radioactive cesium they did find on the guys and the nuclear device to go with it was 45 million south african rand which is $6 million u.s. dollars. you recall that we lost our collective minds as a country when the bush administration concocted the he wanted to build a dirty bomb accusation against jose padilla even though it was
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hopeful marco rubio posted a new ad. he is running in florida where the economy is bad. unemt employment stands at 11.4% which is higher than the national average and foreclosures are up this year higher than the national average. and florida's most recent state budget needed a rescue from the state stimulus funds which marco rubio opposes. these are troubled times and times calling for big ideas and arguments and facts. so mr. rubio released a new ad. can we play the whole ad, you guys? is that okay. we have the whole thing. here it s. here it is. >> marco rubio just released the 12-step plan to fix the economy. the giant awkwardness at the heart of republicanism right now.
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>> now, first, i want to thank mr. rubio for naming the ad mad doe, because it is flattering and also for telling everybody about the "rachel maddow show" and when it starts a. warm welcome for those of you who have tuned in thanks to mr. rubio. i love florida. let's kep them all rolling. shall we?
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