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this, we use these fires to solve our country's problems and reform this country in a wayç that makes it better, not worse. thanks so much. go tv, get out the vote. let's play "hardball." good evening. leading off tonight, keeping hope alive. if the democrats are to avoid a republican landslide, they're going to have to inspire some of the people who put president obama into office to get out and vote again this year. they've got to keep alive that political network that drove millions of people to the polls in '08. first time voter, african-americans, women, progressives have been less enthusiastic than their aingier,
older, whiter republican counterparts. this afternoon, the president held a town meeting on mtv and b.e.t. is it going to move people? also, can christine o'donnell's smile and enthusiasm close the gap with chris coons? also, get a beat on the harry reid head to head are sharron angle that's coming tonight. and two and a half weeks before election day. one candidate is accusing his opponent of wanting to kill puppies and kittens. it's raining cats and dogs in the campaign ad wars. plus, the good friend dick cheney shot in the face is speaking out now. now, we learn they weren't such good friends at all and that he
has yet to apologize. and two hosts of the view getting up and walking off the set. what did bill o'reilly say that got them blasted out of their seats? that's bill and the "hardball" "sideshow." first, the latest races around the country. we'll start with nevada. two new polls show a close race now. a new las vegas review journal poll has sharron angle up two over hirsy reid. that's 47-45. still some undecideds there. a new suffolk poll has reid up. the debate is tonight. now to connecticut where quinnipiac's new poll shows dick blumenthal leading wrestlining linda mcmahon. we'll continue to check the scoreboard each night leading up
to election day. now, president obama's mtv town hall event. joy ann reed is a political columnist and contributor to the grio website. i'm going to start with you, alex. was there something new or fascinating in what the president said to the young folks today? >> no. you know, i was looking back through some of the old 2008 campaign messages out there and it was really poetry in motion, you know. just the language, the rhetoric, the sense of soaring possibility. trying to gin up the youth base. the mtv town hall today was very long on legislative accomplishments the president has won in the last 20 months, but short on enthusiasm and that momentum he had in '08.
>> what were the crowds like? were the crowds enthusiastic or just supportive in a polite way? >> mtv apparently did a casting call to get the folks they had in the audience today. the questions went to questions on health care, immigration, the economy and had very rehearsed answer frs the president, so in terms of excitement and the sense of buzz, i didn't sense that. >> here's president obama when asked whether he thinks people are born gay or choose to be gay. i thought we were past that one now. >> i don't profess to be an expert. this is a layperson's opinion. but i don't think it's a choice. i thinkç that people are born with a certain make-up and we're
all children of god. we don't make determinations about who we love. and that's why i think that discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is wrong. >> alex, that kind of answer, i think will work with a younger audience. i think older people who have been talked to by trent lot, like it's cold or pepsi, have a different view about something that seems to be common sense, but that answer, how's it going to work? >> did you want to go to me or joanne? >> i'm sorry. i think yes, i think that young people have a lot more liberal attitude toward things like gay marriage or don't ask don't tell, gays in the military et cetera, so i think that barack obama is speaking to that real
cultural difference. a lot of people compare barack obama to john f. kennedy, but if you look at the kennedy, he didn't represent a huge cultural change because he fought in world war ii, where as obama or bill clinton, they kind of represent that total change culture that we're seeing at play in these elections this year where you have an older, sort of wider electorate that is more traditional and where obama kind of speaks to the younger generation. they have a different background to their parents and grandparents. >> you are so right. it's not my job to say you are right or wrong, but it's everything i believe. i think bill clinton was the first of this new breed of president and obama's another one. they didn't fight world war ii. didn't have that big band sound,
white america mentality. and i think to the question to you again, here he is after he was asked about ending the military -- again, a sexual orientation question. here's what he said. >> the difference betweenç my position right now and harry truman's was that congress explicitly passed a law that took away the power of the executive branch to end this policy unilaterally. so, this is not a situation in which with a stroke of a pen, i can simply end the policy. i agree with the basic principle that anybody who wants to serve in our armed forces and make sacrifices on our behalf, anybody should be able to serve and should not have to lie about who they are in order to serve, so we are moving in the direction of moving this policy.
it has to be done in a way that is orderly because we are involved in a war right now, but this is not a question of whether the policy will end. this policy will end and end on my watch, but i do have an obligation to make sure that i'm following some of the rules. i can't simply ignore laws out there. i've got to work to make sure that they are changed. >> alex, back to you. the racial climate seems to be deteriorating in this country, but seems the question is right there. you saw those people. very attentive, very respectful. but not an army ready to march. >> not at all. he got another question later on about race relss in the country and he sort of, he had for lack of a better tomorrow, sort of a mealy mouthed term. we're making progress slowly,
slowly. i think for a group of -- voters who wants to see such a change and enthusiasm for social issues, that's not going to put the spring in their step. >> here is the question about the racial climate and the president's response. let's listen. >> progress on race relations starts, we make progress and then there's some slippage. an tag niz m surfacesç strongl when economic times are tough and that's not surprising. if everybody's working and feeling good and making money and buying a new house and big screen tv, you're less worried about what other folks are doing. and when you're out of work and you can't buy a home or you've lost your home and you're
worried about paying your bill, then you become more worried about what folks are doing. sometimes, that organizes itself around a tribal attitude. and issues of race become more prominent. having said that, i think we've got keep things in perspective. you look at this audience cht this audience didn't just exist 20 years ago. the amount of interaction, the amount of understanding that exists in your generation among people of different races and different creeds and colors is unprecedented. >> that's true, but joanne, it seems to me the question here is animation and interaction. you know, back in the campaign i covered -- made fun of for saying it, physically thrilled by some of the speeches because it was about america. he's not talking about america
anymore. this country we love and the way it makes things happen. it's not in his vocabulary. he's talking about programs. don't ask don't tell. issues instead of america. he was much more interactive. i look at that audience, they look like -- everybody's sitting there neatly like young july and david eisenhower do. you look at the tea party meeting, these folks are jumping around. yelling back and forth. it's a different crowd. >> i was smiling when it was going on. i was listening to it because it sounded like a college class. i could see myself in college taking a class from this guy. he comes across like your favorite college professor and you're right. this just really shows the gulf between campaigning and
governing and how it's a lot easiy to sell the message of yes, we can. the new hampshire speech was so brilliant it was hard not to be thrilled by it. when you actually governing, you can't sell that same message of absolute possibleties the second time around. this is two years later when people have seen two years of sausage making, two years of what the process is really like. i think people figure wow, if we sent this guy to washington and he can't change it, that's the reason why people feel demoralized. they still like him, but it's hard to ip spire the same hope and possibility because they've seen the reality. >> check out franklin roosevelt's speech is second time he ran. thank you. coming up, democrats seem to be getting key senate races from around the country. we're going check into where
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the big debate between christine o'donnell and chris coons, they battled last night. here's some of the action. this is christine o'donnell in life. here she is. >> there's been lots of discussion in the national media about things my opponent has said or done that i think are a distraction from the core issues. >> you're just jealous that you weren't on "saturday night live." >> i'm dying to see who's going to play me. >> if you're saying what i said on a comedy show is -- forget the bearded marxist comment, you writing an article saying you learned from a marxist professor, that should send chills up the spine of every delaware voter. >> throwing names around. that one will not determine who controls it. let's turn to chuck todd and
"the washington post" chris cillizza. chuck, it looks like that race is stuck around close to 20 points for chris coons. this is one of the luckiest people on planet earth election cycle. it's a terrible year year for democrats with the exception of chris coons. >> anytime you see candidates think about, i don't know if i'm going to run this year. well, that's what mario cuomo said in 1991. let that guy from arkansas have the nomination. sure, let bill clinton have it. he'll never beat bush for a second term. every nomination is worth having chris coons prove it. scott mcadams in alaska may prove it. if you think it's your time to run, run. >> a democrat could win up there. chris? >> i was going to add to chuck's point. in real estate, it's location, location, location. in politics, it's timing. everybody said a senator named barack obama just got elected,
he's going to run in 2008 against hillary clinton? that makes no sense. barack obama new times. if you're beau biden, son of the vice president, you've got to bç kicking yourself a little bit because as you said, there are a lot of races that may decide the senate majority. this isn't one of them. he went from a guy who was a decided underdog on september 13th when we thought mike castle was going to be the nominee. >> any candidate who thinks back what could have happened is crazy. beau biden has no idea what events would have taken place had he gone in the race. like those movies where you go back in time and screw up everything because something different happened. >> chris --
>> i'm sorry. chuck. >> if my aunt was never mind -- had something, she'd be my uncle. >> missed opportunities are the stories of politics. >> you know what our sloegen here is now? lean forward. don't look back. here's more from the delaware debate. she is very likable, clearly, christine o'donnell. everybody would like to have a cup of tea with her. she seems like fun. is she prepared? let's check out the closing arguments. >> he's in lock step with barack obama and harry reid and that's why harry reid has called him his pet. i'm not a democrat, but i know that what's happening in this country right now is not what my democratic friends voted for when they voted for change in 2008. >> miss o'donnell has experience
at running for office, at delivering catching slogans, but not delivering on any real solutions. and frankly, at sharpening the partisan divide. she's focused too little on the issues and too much on the issues that make for good sound bites. >> both are looking down. chris cillizza, one charming thing about christine o'donnell is she was who she is. witch or whatever. it was her. now, she's reading talking points from this intellectual supposedlyç making sarah palin into an intellectual. anybody can read this crap. >> you know, chris, in a way, i understand what she's doing. she's trying to moderate herself. trying to say this stuff you heard about me isn't true. >> from the ghost writer for sarah palin -- >> i think her campaign thinks
that the only chance she has to win even in delaware, i am someone who is an outsider, can come in and shake things up. this race being a referendum on christine o'donnell is not a winner. that's not a winning strategy. >> she should be a ditto head. this is a race to watch. so fascinating. this would drive a person crazy. imagine being one of those candidates. sharron angle or harry reid. they're just entangled there like a dance of death and none of them seem to be able to break. neither one of these candidates are popular. i think i can say that. the people of nevada would prefer anything but these two people. somebody's going to win with 47% and this other candidate, the other tea party guy getting two. isn't that how it's going turn out? nobody gets 50. >> the fact that harry reid has
a chance is a reflection on sharron angle. the laws of politics say harry reid should be done. he's unpopular. there's all this money being thrown at him. just the laws of political gravity say he should be a done candidate, but he's not. that's because sharron angle hasn't closed the sale. i think this debate tonight means a lot for sharron angle. chris wrote about this earlier this afternoon. i completely agree. i think it's her chance to sort of close this deal. she could end this race tonight if she comes across -- i think she only has to meet a minimum bar. voters are ready to get rid of reid. >> that's all she has to do. she doesn't have to win. just be a senator. >> i think chuck the right. people -- you look at harry reid's numbers. people want to fire the guy. that's the firstç hurdle you he to get over as the challenger. it's a big hurd.
it's not that big with harry reid. think about approval ratings in the 30s, low 40s. he never gets above 46%. amazingly has not cleared one of the lowest bars in politics. she's going to be on a stage with him tonight and probably the most important moment of the campaign to date. >> the trend across the county tr u i love this stuff. you say connecticut and california are stronger for democrats. democrats have sestak and ji nouls in pennsylvania. you say republicans have a men out there with ken buck in colorado against michael bennett and against mccain -- >> feingold. >> in wisconsin. i'm forgetting his name he's in so much trouble. nevada, west virginia, washington are too hard to
figure out. patty murray, i'm surprised she called that so close. could a democrat be elected senator from alaska against two republicans? >> in anchorage, in the business community in anchorage, think of them as the ted stevens coalition. the late ted stevens. the people that want to do business in alaska and say, we don't think joe miller is a guy that understands thousand get federal money back to alaska. they prefer murkowski, but they're not convinced that this write-in campaign can work and so you see mcadams benefitting from a pretty amazing fund raising quarter for alaska. he's getting real money now and there is a bet hedge. you have conversations going on in alaska circles talks about this idea of what to do.
the preference is murkowski, but if she can't win, their second choice is mcadams. >> quickly on that race, i agree, as i always do with everything chuck said. one thing to add. polling in that race is very difficult because you have miller who is the republican. mcadams, the republican. murkowski, you have to write her name in. polling says would you vote for miller, mcadams or murkowski. that doesn't equate to the experience in the ballot box, so it's really hard to know is she really at 32 or 33. or if people are prompted with her name. on the day of the election, she drops way down because people don't remember to write people in. there's a reason -- not saying she doesn't have a chance, it's just hard to know. >> the bigger issue is that joe miller is running a weird
campaign. had this weird presser this week about i'm not going to answer anymore questions about my background. to bash the media is an easy thing to do, but that does turn off a lot of voters because, what are you hiding? >> he seems about as likable as the guy in the social network. i saw the movie last night. i don't think people are going to like this guy. he's been described as unlikable. we'll see. thank you, chuck, chris. up next, next week is the campaign for us. we're on the campaign trail for the "hardball" senate tour. monday, kentucky, i'll interview jack conway. tuesday, we'll be in new york covering the races there. wednesday, to chicago. thursday, we'll be in philly for joe sestak and everywhere we go,
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time for the "sideshow." first up, bill o'reilly causing trouble on "the view." got into a debate about the mosque near ground zero. >> let me break to to yourks 70% of americans don't want the mosque down there. >> i want to see that -- >> you want to bet on that? i'll show you that poll in a minute. >> only thing -- why is that?
why aren't we saying -- >> muslims killed us on 9/11. >> oh, my god. muslims didn't -- >> we apologize. they did return after walking off. next, recession? what recession? steve ko bert and austan goolsbee. >> to give that big, red circle will cost $700 billion. we will put that right back into the market. by invesing in chinese paper mills and indian tech companies. >> look, we did that in 2001. >> yes. >> it didn't work. >> a lot of people got rich in
the last ten years. don't rewrite history, my friend. >> it was followed by the worst recession since 1929. >> i did fine. and i'm middle class. i'm middle class. what is wrong with that? maybe those people just didn't work hard enough, you know? >> it sounds like republican argument. isn't at all different from a lot of tea party candidates. they think unemployment benefits are unnecessary andç the minim wage they'd like to get rid of. sharron angle's campaign pulled many $14 million in three months, outraising harry reid, but how much the money pouring in for both is out of nevada? 80% of the money a case where politics is not local. 4 out of $5 in that senate nevada race out there not coming
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back to "hardball," r the political adds are fun and coming out fast and furious. we're going to rank some of the latest ones with steve mcmahon. thank you, gentlemen. here's illinois incumbentç governor. had to go do some other business. pat quinn, nice guy. he put out this ad against bill brady. plito fact rates this half true, but is it effective? this is the most unusual ad of the year. >> shame on bill brady. i am a republican, but i don't support him or the mass oout
anization of animals. >> apparently, this bill that brady put in the hopper in the state senate out there, allows you to kill animals in shelters by the dozens rather than one at a time. i'd say he's got a problem. alex? rex rather. >> i think the ad is just not believable. there has to be something that you actually watch that you think maybe there might be a shred of truth here and i think this one doesn't work at all. >> you don't think the little gas chamber worked there? i wonder what season they filmed this in? doesn't seem like that would be an illinois seasonal ad right now. >> it's designed to get attention. it worked for that purpose, but rex raises a good point when he says it's not credible, relevant to the lives of many people.
i'm not sure it's ver effective. >> let's take a look at another one. here's a movie trailer spoof for coons by christine o'donnell's campaign in delaware. >> one man -- on the brink of bankruptcy. hide your will. hide your lights. cause he's taxing everything out here. chris coons is the tax man. >> again, are we at the edge of absurdity here? >> her whole candidacy is so why wouldn't her advertisçing be? this is designed to get attention. i don't think it's particularly credible or well documented and she's 20 points behind. it's not going work. >> i might disagree. i think it's a very compelling
ad. people are very concerned about people's attitudes and spending and there's a real solid the atry cal quality. i think it just might persuade a few people. >> why wouldn't if you're a republican in delaware, go to the basis of why most people are republicans, they want less government and taxes. it's a thing that saves them from going out of business in the worst of times. if you have a candidate that's not that strong like christine o'donnell, you wouldn't try to sell her. you'd say wait a minute, when it doubt, vote against the tax and spend democrats and give an intellectual argument. what's with this freak show? why not make a logical case. it's one less vote for taxes. >> i don't think it's a freak show. it is a powerful ad that will capture people's attention and pull you in. >> maybe you're right.
let's go to the democratic community. it's an ad attack in connecticut that linda mcmahon and her company, the world wrestling association -- let's listen. >> linda mcmahon brags about her business experience. the real story, her company violated safety standards, criticized for tolerating steroid and drug use. inserted death clauses in contracts in order to avoid responsibility for their deaths. the record, seven workers under 50 have died. >> i think that works. >> i think it works. the information is presented. it's backed up. it's relevant, credible. it's not perhaps as interesting as some of the other ads, but you know, one of the things that happens with political advertising, sometimes, the more memorable it is, the more effective it is.
>> an ad of course, any ad will work in a vacuum. how are you going to respond to this ad? you can't just look at it on the face and say, the it going to be effective. >> what does she say when you get followed by the question, did you really have 17 people die in your business? did you have a death clause and have to sign a release saying you might die on the job. you're laughing. it's a business that's pretty -- i'm not saying it's the worse thing that ever lived. it's mainly gross. people get hurt in it. it's not just theatre and bad form and having to sign releases they're going to get killed. this is beyond acceptable ility. i don't know if facts of this case. i am left with the asumts that i'm not going to take full face of a political ad making these
cl claims. >> let's take a look at others. house democrats are using speaker pelosi as the bad guy. first up, jim marshall of georgia. >> georgia is a long way from san francisco and jim marshall is a long way from nancy pelosi. jim marshall doesn't support nancy pelosi. he voted the same as republican leaders 65% of the time. >> there's a guy who says he's an echo, not a choice. and here's another southern democrat, the first to campaign against his own speaker. let's listen. >> i've heard my constituents and they want a conservative. i'm going to vote for the person that would allow me to best represent my constituents. anyone who tells you otherwise is just down right lying to you. i'm the most independent member of congress and what i try to do
is bring people together to make good things happen for our country. >> democrats fighting for their lives in districts that don't want to vote for pelosi or obama. >> there's nothing more fun than watching democrats masquerade as republicans. this year, i'm looking for democrats running on obama care and support of a stimulus package. >> his record is he didn't vote for obama care, soç how can he run against obama care? >> in terms of democrats in general. these are democrats who are really running against nancy pelosi, running against washington when in fact that's really who they are a part of. that's the majority they've been a part of. they're running because they think they can read the election and electorates. >> i watched ronald reagan run against federal deficits.
he got away with it. every year, he set a deficit, every year, he ran against one. steve mcmahon, thank you. up next, the man dick cheney accidentally shot in the face four years ago is talking. why? we're going to find out. apparently hasn't gotten an apology from cheney yet. it's work through the grime and the muck, month. tow and pull without getting stuck month. sweat every day to make an honest buck...month.
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the governor of florida is polling behind marco rubio in the senate race, but new polls show crist would be even if kendrick were to pull out of the race. he picked up the endorsement of one of the country's biggest liberals. bobby kennedy jr., the jirmt environmental lauer and nephew of the former president. bobby got crede to say that. chris was also endorsed by california governor arnold schwarzenegger, so, the in-laws are getting together. sure i'd like to diversify my workforce,
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tonight, who's the boss? the vice president shot a man in a hunting incident on saturday. cheney shotgun pellet remains lodged in the man's heart, three days later, does the vice president owe a word of explanation to the american people? let's play "hardball." >> god, when you're young you always look better. anyway, welcome back to "hardball." that was one of the more bizarre cold opens that we've ever had on "hardball" and that's when we open up the show is the fact that the vice president of the united states had shot somebody. today in the "washington post" brought us back do that wild incident where the vice president of the united states shot a man in the face he was hunting with. he interviewed cheney's victim harry wittington, paul, welcome. i don't know -- why did you, as you phrase my inglorious phrase around here, rip the scab off of that baby? >> you know, ed, because i thought it would be interesting. motivation for all newspaper
articles is maybe somebody wants to read about this. >> where are they now. >> yeah why are they now? >> it wasn't as they used to say in westerns, he didn't just wing the guy. >> no, he shot him quite substantially about three quarters on the right side. hit him in the face and the neck. >> buckshot. >> no not buckshot, bird shot. a little different, smaller pellets. lead. mr. -- >> how far did they go in. >> all over his body. he's got one by his heart. he's got it in his laring. on his face. he's got about 30 pieces of bird shot still in him. >> when he goes through an airport? >> he can make it through but he's always worried about it. >> they're going to have an interesting facial expression when hç goes through that thing. so let me ask you about his relationship, did he know dick cheney? he he had met him three times over about a 30-year period. just as an acquaintance. they were not friends. they were not buddies. they had never been hunting before. this was just a very, very casual, he knew somebody who
knew somebody, and got together. >> how do you shoot somebody when you are -- i mean i know i'm not antigun, i'm not antihunter, certainly. hunters take it very seriously. they swing the rifles the right way. they don't carry them around loaded. always very aware of the angle and where people are and they wear the red clothes. they do a lot of things to make sure they don't get hit. how do you hit somebody? what are you doing in the line of fire? >> in this case mr. wittington was looking for a down bird in the tall grass. they were in a line. cheney followed a quail who they were hunting. quail is flying across. he swings to the right. and there's mr. wittington in his line-of-sight. now that's a violation -- >> did he see him when he hit him. >> well he didn't see him when he hit him. he wouldn't have pulled the trigger. >> i meant to say subliminally, it was so fast that he didn't realize. >> i think that was probably the case but basic hunting safety is, you don't fire if there's someone in your way. >> okay. >> you clear the line-of-sight. >> paul, do you remember the tag
line. did he ever say he was sorry? >> he never said it in public and i asked mr. wittington several times, several different ways, whether he said it to him personally. and mr. wittington would not say it outloud but it was clear the implication was, no, he never did. >> well my, problem with cheney is the 64,000 people that were killed. casually in the iraq war which we shouldn't have fought. this was an accident. that wasn't. thanks for joining. great reporting. when we finish let me say something about the 33 miners how they were trapped in the mine in chile. what we taught ourselves helping to come out. what a season, what a statement. you're watching "hardball."in t , the shipping industry in norway, and the rubber industry, in south america? at t. rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex global economy. it's just one reason 75% of our mutual funds beat their 10-year lipper average. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment objectives,
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let me finish tonight with a deep observation about mankind. 2,000 feet in the ground a group of 33 men not only survived 60 days but prevailed. when a story of human faith, hope, charity and yes community. i than that last word drives people on the right crazy, community, there's is the pop larp notion that it's every man for himself. grab what you can, screw the masses, cash out of the government, go it alone, the whole cowboy catechism. but how would those miners have survived, the 33 of them, and their loved ones living above if they'd behave like that with the attitude of, every man for himself. this is above all, and deep down they're in the mine about being in all there together. it's about mutual reliance and relying on others. not just to do their jobs, but
to come through in the clutch. somebody had to get food and medicine down to those guys and somebody did. somebody had to drill that hole down to get them and somebody did. and all time the guys down there, 33 human souls, kept the faith. i was with god and the devil one of the first guys out, said they both fought for me, god won. so in his way did mankind. group of miners stuck down a half mile down into the earth organized themselves. one guy in charge, another the spiritual leader, still another working on health, still another director of entertainment. it reminded me the other night how john mccain and the american survived in those years of the hanoi prisoner war camp. this coming election now looks to be a press very different. what it promises to be is a huge number of americans withdrawing their confidence in the ability of us to work together. to have faith in each other, to build a common community. it's headed towards something -- well something quite un-american, a statement that we're not all in this together. for that i blame the people even for notoriety by nightly yelling fire in the movie theater, by convin