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joining the discussion today bob barr and joy-ann reid and the "dy lay beast" randall lane. we begin with a story that's getting national attention because of the heinous nature of the crime. a deadly, unprovoked attack on a young man who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. four atlanta teens have been arrested in the brutal murder of 18-year-old bobby tillman. police say he was just walking by when the suspects jumped him and repeatedly stomped and kicked him until he was unconscious. nbc tom traung is following the story from atlanta, what prompted this? >> at this point what authorities are saying is that he was leaving a party, a massive house party on saturday night, 80 teenagers. outside a fight between two girls and authorities say as the girls were fighting, they hit one of the teenage boy that was walking by. that teenager said he wasn't and he couldn't hit a girl, so he said he was going to hit the
next boy that he saw. apparently, tillman was the next boy that he saw and he was walking across the street and as he did so, he was hit by that teenager, hit his head on the curb and then three other teenagers came over, beat and stomped him until he died. apparently, when the douglas authorities came there, he was still breathing. they performed cpr on tillman, but as he wasn't to the hospital, he was pronounced dead. the district attorney here is calling it a senseless crime cause, apparently, he was not provoked. he did not do anything but was just trying to leave the party. the four teenagers now charged with felony murder and they'll be in a court appearance, hopefully, they expect a scheduled appearance on october 19th. chris? >> thank you so much. we're now waiting for word from the pentagon or navy officials on that mystery missile that was launched near the california coast last night. take a look at the trail from the launch near catalina island. the missile bearing just north after sunset.
jim miklaszewski joins us and, mik, what do we know about this? >> well, chris, we are coming on nearly a full day after this happened and u.s. military and pentagon officials are still baffled about what did happen here. they are calling it an unexplained incident. those are the official words for it. but they are looking into who may have launched this missile. they claim that the most likely actors in this in the military would have been the navy, the air force or missile defense agency. and all three of those agencies are denying that they had any kind of missile test under way or accidentally launched anything. but we are cautioned by at least one pentagon official that, look, we have gone through these things before where, you know, several hours or even sometimes a day or so after the event you piece things together and find out that somebody was involved, not saying, that's the case, but they haven't ruled it out entirely. they are saying that perhaps it was a commercial outlet that launched a missile, but they, too, would have needed the kind of clearances they needed to
launch this kind of missile in that kind of near los angeles, that's pretty much out of the question. but you have to think, too, about the crowded air space above los angeles and the danger any kind of missile test would have presented to that area. so, at this point, nobody in the u.s. military has any clues, at least that they're sharing with us, chris. >> unbelievable. mik, thank you so much. i know you'll keep us posted. here's a clue and what to expect from the republican congress next year. republican darryl issa told politico he's preparing for 280 hearings in 2011. that's more than double the number held by democrats for a year under the bush presidency. topics include the bank bailout, stimulus, the mortgage crisis and maybe even health care. and issa has set up a meeting with vice president joe biden to talk about his plans. former congressman bob barr, randall lane and joy-ann reid. randall, let me start with you. what do you make of this as a
strategy? >> certainly, there are a lot of areas in which oversight is necessary and you just tipped off a few of those. we have a government that for the last three years, really, has been spending out of control with very, very few, if any, oversight mechanisms. so, i think it's certainly consistent with good governance and with the results of the election to start looking into those things. >> let me ask you, as somebody who served in congress. i think a lot of folks sit back and they see these hearings one after the other after the other and they say, whatever comes out of it. >> hopefully what will come out of it is something called accountability, which we don't have now. we have the government spending hundreds of billions of dollars with absolutely no accountability. the taxpayers of this country who are represented by the members of congress have a right to know that those fund are being spent in a proper way consistent with the mandate of the congress. that's really what it's all about. >> last week darryl issa was on
dylan ratigan show and let me play for you a little clip of what he said. >> we define the truth to take the scene from "a few good men" the american people can take the truth, our job is to get it to them. >> joy-ann, is that their job? >> i think it's stunning. when we just left an administration that we saw very little hearings and very little investigation of what happened with t.a.r.p., which was a give me to the wall street banks that we really still don't even understand where that money went other than bonuses. the stimulus is actually online. you can go online and see where that money has gone. i think what darryl issa is doing is some with due respect what congressman barr did. they're going after this congressman in a way that will make some of the top audiences on the right happy and going after him in a way that is very off message. the american people want to hear about jobs, not politically motivated investigations of the president. >> i guess that's the point, randall. he said he is planning this meeting with joe biden and he wants to do this in a
nonpolitical way. how often does history tell us that actually happens? >> dan burton in the '90s did exactly this and he was staging vince foster, murder re-creations in thiz backyard and it backlashed on the republicans. he has to be very careful. a lot of this is theater, but he has to understand that he is no longer the minority, he is the majority and you saw him last week in the rush limbaugh show. this week, now he's on the majority and he's like, maybe i shouldn't have said that. i don't believe he's personally corrupt. maybe he's learning something. but a lot of it is theater, but if you overreach with your theater, there's a backlash. >> congressman, i don't think anybody would disagree with you about the job that congress would do which is oversight. these often turn into some political theater. is there a danger for the republicans? could they overstep here? >> this is always a danger for churve party is in the majority when one of the prior chairman henry waxman pushed a little bit too hard in some areas, it
rebounded to the democrats. it hurt the democrats. and as was mentioned, some of the investigations by this committee back in the late '90s did not do what the republicans then and the majority hoped it would do. so, darryl issa and the republican leadership need to be very careful about how far they push and what issues they do push. hopefully they will have learned by history and will do a good job. >> congressman bob barr and joy-ann reid we'll see you back here later in the hour. an engine fire onboard the carnival "splendor" has stranded more than 4,000 passengers and crew members just off the coast of san diego. a fire knocked out telephone lines and left passengers unable to reach loved one. fortunately, no one was hurt. the coast guard is currently towing that luxury liner to the port. the "uss ronald reagan" has been diverted to help deliver needed supplies to the cruise ship.
tracy's parents are onboard and she says passengers are dealing with the situation as best they can. >> the conditions right now, unfortunately, are difficult for the passengers. there are almost 5,000 people on the boat. but they were urging everyone to stay in their cabins and they are just kind of making the best of a bad situation. they said that the coast guard is working on getting it tugged in. it will be a ten-hour process. >> carnival says passengers will receive a full refund and complimentary tickts for a future cruise. terrorist groups finding new terriers for their explosives. the latest sick plot putting bombs into puppies. and elizabeth smart says she did whatever it took to stay alive. smart on the stand, plus reaction from the courtroom ahead. and new changes to checking in at the airport. has security gotten a little too personal? richard lui is working on that story. >> hey, chris, yeah. airports receiving more body scanners results in images like
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al qaeda operatives have repeatedly shown they will make every effort to attack america and the latest reported plot is an awful mix of terror and cruelty. french newspapers say insurgents tried to blow up planes bound for the u.s. by sewing bombs into stray dogs. al qaeda agents plan for the dogs to explode after departing baghdad airports but the bomb's stitching killed the canine.
evan kohlmann joins us now. is this something that was like a one-time thing or what do we know about this? >> really a democrat of a previous plot or a previous style of plot we have seen before. a fairly common thing in both iraq and afghanten to see insurgents take the corpse of animals and they put bombs in corpses of dogs lying on the street. if a car drives by or humvee drives by they're not going to notitous and take secretary of it and then it's too late. if anyone does go up and try to investigate it, it's not something anyone wants to stick their hands in. unfortunately, this is not anything that new. what is new is taking this idea and applying it to a major international terrorist attack and what's care scary is we're g al qaeda messaging forums talk about the idea of surgery implanting explosives into the body of a dog, a human suicide bomber and they're talking about it for real. >> so, that's almost so
unbelievable. let's talk about this case first because it wasn't found because they found the explosive, it was found because the people at the airport noticed that the dog was dead, right? >> right. >> how difficult would it be to detect something like that? >> well, that's the question. if someone uses an explosive device similar to what was used in the cargo plot a few weeks ago or is this explosive actually going to set ufany kind of alarm and at the moment we're not entirely positive it will. never mind about cargo flights, even on civilian flights. if this thing is well built and if the animals are not subject to rigorous inspection, yeah, it's possible. that's the whole idea of what al qaeda is trying to achieve. developing an explosive device that could go right through an x-ray detector and right through a scanner and set off no alarms. whether that's carried by human suicide bomber or implanted in the body of an animal. >> a lot of people don't want to go through these imaging
systems that airport. they'll get these very thorough pat downs. if they can implant a bomb, you will not detect that with a pat down. >> the pat down is not really a serious examination. in the case of other similar extremists, there was the precursor to the brother of the bombmaker he was patted down by security but also when he went into security at the deputy interior minister. he had it concealed inside of him and that's why they never found it. he nearly assassinated the deputy interior minister. pat downs, "a," from my perspective are not any less intrusive than the scanner. but, "b," the pat downs are not the best way of detecting an explosive device and they don't work 100% of the time. they're more for show than
anything else. whether the scanner is uncomfortable or embarrassed, that's the reality of traveling these days. >> evan kohlmann, thank you so much. >> thank you. the petit family murder was an unspeakable crime no one could imagine going through. now, jurors who sentenced steven hayes to death are talking about their experience. >> i had a reoccurring dream of a little call calling for my help. >> the jurors and dr. william petit in their own words, next. t from their mortgage guy, and know instantly if they're getting bamboozled. and i will start after lunch...tomorrow. don't just think about it. introducing lendingtree's free "look before you lock" tool. enter the terms of your existing loan offer to instantly find out how it compares to other offers, areas you may be overpaying, and even negotiation points to help you get a better deal. only at lendingtree.
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[ spongecaster ] so it's not a chore. this morning for the first time we're hearing from jurors from deeply disturbing home invasion connecticut trial. they sentenced steven hayes for murder. dr. william petit the husband and father of the victims had been beaten and tied up in the basement during this horrific
crime. upstairs his wife was sexually assaulted and strangled. the two girls were left tied to their beds as the house was lit on fire. dr. petit talked about the flood of emotions after the verdict. >> i was glad for the girls that there was justice because i think it's a just verdict, but, mostly, mostly i was sad for the loss that we have all suffered. micaela was an 11-year-old little girl. tortured and killed. in her own bedroom, you know. surrounded by stuffed animals and hayley had a great future. it was strong and courageous person. >> joining me now, two of the jurors from that trial. michael car don'ta and paula calzetta. good morning, thank you for being here. >> good morning. thank you for having us. >> the two of you had to hear
some of the most horrifying testimony and some of the most brutal photographs that jurors would ever have to see. michael, let me ask you first, what have these last several months before like for you? >> a lot of emotions for myself and some of the other jurors and this crime was so heinous, it was so gruesome and horrifying, especially with in11-year-old girl and just think about my 10-year-old girl that i have at home and i couldn't believe that these two individuals can kill these women without any regard for life at all. it was just, it was unbelievable almost. >> and, yet, paula, it was clear from the outside looking in that you really went over all of the evidence. it took you longer to come to the conclusion that the defendant should be put to death than it did to convict him. tell us a little bit about the conversations inside that jury room? what ultimately decided it for you? >> it wasn't an easy decision for any of us.
and it took a long time because people took, they needed to sit with their decision and come to their decision and we didn't pressure anyone. what sealed it for me was that i thought that this is a human life and that he, he'd be best served on death row by himself. >> michael, there was a very emotional news conference afterwards with dr. petit and i know you saw him sitting in that courtroom every single day throughout the trial. but i know that you met with him privately afterwards. all the jurors did. can you tell me what that was like? what was the conversation like with mr. petit? >> first of all, he is an amazing man to be able to go to court every single day dignified, classy. the family support that they have behind them. that entire family is absolutely amazing and meeting with him was
probably the best part of all of this, if you could say there is anything good about this trial. it was being able to meet with the family and so thankful of us and we couldn't understand why they were thankful of us. we were following the line of the law and what the state of connecticut told us to do. so amazing to be able to speak to that family. dr. petit is such an amazing man. >> that heart pin you are wearing, dr. petit gave it to both of you. >> he and his father who had a bunch of them in his pocket. i think he's a retired minister. i think if you're ever retired was so happy that this portion was over and he just pulled out the pins and we were like, could we have one? it was just, we feel like, i feel like family. i feel like i know these women, these girls and it was just wonderful to actually -- to hug
them and say we were sorry for their loss. >> and, michael, let me ask you, finally, because this has been such a long haul and you haven't had a lot of time to process it. but how do you go back to your regular life? has this changed you? >> oh, definitely. it's completely changed the way i do things, actually. before i wasn't worried about the doors being locked or windows being locked or anyone behind me. i am more aware of my surroundings and make sure everything is shut and i've been waking up in the middle of the night checking the doors. i had reoccurring dream of a little girl calling for my help tied up to a bed and i can't help her. so, it's had a profound effect on me and my life and how i have changed and do things. >> all of us who care about the justice system and dr. petit is at the top of that list, thank you for your service. we do appreciate you taking the
time to talk to us about it. thank you. >> thank you for having us. >> jennifer hawke-petit and her daughters have started the petit family foundation to honor their memories and continue the kindness that all three women showed throughout their lives. for more information visit today.msnbc.com. elizabeth smart takes the stand to reveal what she describes as the "indescribable fear she felt as she was taken from the courthouse." the next time you went to vent on facebook. be warned, it could cost you your job. take a look at this. while catching his second touchdown of the night. terrell owens commroetly takes down a security guard standing in the end zone. t.o. commroetly ignores him after the hit, fortunately, the guard will be okay and the steelers won the game, 27-21. male announcer ] this is steven, a busy man.
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let's get you caught up on stories making headlines today. volcanic ash from mt. merapi may force president obama to cut short his trip. the volcano has been spewing ash and it might erupt again. already taking the lives of more than 150 victims. just coming in to msnbc. first lady michelle obama taking in some of the sights at a museum in jakarta where she is with her husband. they are back in washington, d.c., after a ten-day trip on sunday. former bp ceo tony hayward says the company was not prepared for the gulf oil disaster. in an interview, hayward says t the company was making it up and the company was not ready to deal with the intense media scrutiny following the spill. a rhode island teacher and coach has been arrested for sending inappropriate text messages to students. 31-year-old steven was arraigned on indecent solicitation and
possession of marijuana and pornography. the judge has set bail at $10,000. a baltimore woman fighting to keep her home is on a hunger strike outside the state capital. laura rhymer hopes to bring more attention to the effects that foreclosure has on people. she's vowing to remain outside the capital as long as needed. and residents of bell, california, have learned shocking new details of the city's mismanagement of tens of millions of dollars. city officials collected $7 million in taxes and fees and used much of it to pay the salaries of those officials. nine city officials and council members are charged with mishandling $5.5 million in public funds. do you ever talk about your boss on facebook? do you use your status update to post stuff about work? well, in a first of its kind case, lawyers are arguing that what you say on a social networking site is protected speech. "the new york times" reports that the national labor
relations board is going to argue that you can't be fired for what you put on facebook in a groundbreaking case that is coming up in january. let's bring in rebecca rose woodland and also joining the discussion the rest of our company, bob randall and joy-ann. let me start with you. i'm sorry, rebecca, let me start with you. so, an ambulance service fires this woman because she says something not nice about her boss. they say it violates a policy that does not allow employees to depict the company in any way, any way that's negative. what do you think about this case? >> the problem with that is the national labor relations board says we have a federal law that says employees are allowed to talk about their workplace. they are allowed to get together and either form a union, have a problem with the company, they are allowed to talk. the national labor relations board says facebook is becoming the new water cooler. if you're not necessarily in the office doing it, you can do it
via social websites. you know, so, it's a very tough case here for this ambulance company because their rules were so broad they infringe upon an employee's right to talk and voice their opinions. >> bob barr, a lot of talk. you're a lawyer and so much talk about whether or not the law is keeping up with the reality of technology. do you see facebook as the new water cooler and can you say, pretty much anything you want to a co-worker on facebook just as you would if you happen to run in to them in the bathroom? >> the analogy really falls apart when you look at it. mentioning something to somebody in person, so-called beside the water cooler has nothing in comen with posting something on a so-called social networking site. the use of that becomes basically universal. it is disseminated far beyond simply the person that you're talking to, which is the analogy to the water cooler. so, these are two completely
different situations. they need to be dealt with differently. and the answer to your question is, no, the laws have not kept up with technology in a number of areas in this regard. >> i have to tell you, randall. people put so much stuff out there on facebook and we talked a lot about teenagers. this is something different altogether. >> facebook, keep in mind, is a private network. if you send it across twitter, you're announcing it to the world. facebook, you have its private conversation that you can keep other people out and only talk to your friends. i don't think former congressman barr's characterization is correct. >> you have hundreds of friends and they're not all people you work with necessarily. >> part of the problem for this case is they had a rule that you can't say anything about the company on facebook at all. >> even in a private conversation with private employees and just a group of employees, right. that's a problem here. >> if you take it out of their own personal policies, could there be an argument made if you put out negative things about a
company, and it's a company that some of your friends might want to use or like to use and it's out there, it's on the internet, it doesn't necessarily ever go away. do they have a case to make, do you think? >> well, if you're an employee and you have a valid concern about your supervisor, this case, she has a valid concern. she claims she alleged, we don't know if she does or not, about her supervisor that she was trying to air and she had to create some sort of response to a complaint and she wanted labor relations and she wanted a union to come in and help her. and, aapparently, that's what she was discussing on facebook. so, the quality, the facts of her situation were that i wanted to go to a union and i wanted to talk to my other co-workers about unionizing or about help from a union. now, in a different fact scenar scenario, maybe not. if you're just going out there and bashing your company for no valid reason and without any justification, it might, we
might have a different issue. >> bob barr y was reading a number of different lawyers' analysis about this. it was one thing to say, i really wanted christmas off and my boss won't let me have it and just posting, my boss is a jerk. do you think there is a difference there? >> certainly there's a difference in the words that one uses and the specificity and the specific allegations and so forth. it is unfortunate that this is a labor relations issue. it is really something very different from that. there are, for example, laws that if somebody feels that their rights have been infringed as this former employee might feel and civil lawsuits that might be brought. if an employer believes and can establish that that employee or ex-employee was making libelest, defamatory statements about them or saying things that would interfere in the business relationships and harming them
economically, then there were suits that the employer can file. so, there are mechanisms out there that can protect both the rights of the employer and the rights of the employee. but, you know, putting this in the context of labor relations and unions getting involved, i think obscures what is really at stake here and that is the use of a social networking vehicle to publish, so to speak, words against an employer that may be problematic. >> we've all wanted, joy-ann, maybe sometimes to vent and this is the way that a lot of people vent. you know a little bit about the good use of the internet. you do reidreport.com. what do you think about this case? is this the wrong use of the internet? >> no. i actually think what's chilling about this case and really in general just the increasing inroachment of employers on individual liberty and speech. i think we've talked a lot on this program and network and
others whether government is overreaching but corporations have an incredible reach into your life from being able to read your e-mails to now being able to reach out and see what you're doing on social networking and teachers -- >> i find that in this particular economy people are more afraid and employees are more afraid than they've ever been, don't you think? >> absolutely. >> what we're seeing, really, is that every aspect of your privacy is now subject to the oversight of corporations of your company, of whether you're a government employee or you work for a private entity. almost anything you do and say online can be accessed. you now have lawyers before you even get a job will go through and search your social networking. you almost have to limit your speech in advance of getting a job. i think a raut of americans are looking at this and saying, you know what, i am feeling like the real big brother here. it's not government, it's corporations. >> this is not the last conversation we had about this. thank you for coming in for this. we have lots more to talk about. but check out this trick
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fedex ground. paparazzi, watchful parents and skeptical lovers. they're called personal drones and they're already being used by police in the uk to follow fleeing criminals. will they soon make a landing on store shelves? natalie of cnet joins me now. good to see you. >> thank you for having me. >> how do these things work? >> you take a base station with your iphone or internet or some station where you can monitor at home and then there's through short range wireless technology they can send you what they see
and what they sense so you can follow around somebody or something. it could be your dog, i suppose. whatever it is you are motivated to follow. you get thermal images and also camera footage. >> you can think of some, i guess, positive uses for this. the police have certainly found it. somebody takes off on foot through an area where they can't necessarily track them and they can use these drones and they have done it pretty successfully. a way for a parent to keep an eye on their kid walking to school. >> yeah. we see the consumer electronics industry likes to adopt things from the military all the time. the blue tooth is one example of that. so, yes, you could use this to track your kids, but there are cheaper, simpler ways to do that with just an android phone. >> this get people worried. the ceo of splash news says he wants a fleet of drones to begin tracking celebrities. you can see where someone might want to investigate a spouse or a girlfriend or boyfriend if they think they're cheating. this could open up a pandora's
box. >> you read this and you think, civil liberties issues all over the place and not to thengz am fact that the faa does not regulate this air space and the government does not regulate this saair space. 3g and 4gs for our cell phones, how will they regulate drones. you think about a million of these following people around, a scary scenario. >> we'll see what happens next, but maybe the next wave. they'll get smaller and smaller and smaller. >> they'll look like birds, eventually. who is not going to know that's following you around especially if you're misbehaving. >> natalie, interesting stuff, thanks for coming in. if personal drones aren't on your christmas list, chances are the ipad might be. believe it or not both the ipad and the iphone are tops with toddlers. and for some parent, this can be problematic. mike elgon is tech blogger and columnist for computer world.
good to see you. we just saw that video of a little kid 2 1/2 years old and gotten a million hits on youtube. what is it that has some kids and i've seen it in restaurants, for example, they cannot put the thing down. they are absolutely captivated by it. >> the ipad doesn't require any training or learning. in fact, if you just leave one around the house and have a 2, 3 or 4-year-old, they'll find it and figure out how to turn it on and figure out how to use it because it's very natural and very intuitive unlike a pc that has a mouse and a keyboard. an ipad is just about touch and it has something called physics that makes things on screen behave as if they're in the world. if you slide a book across a wooden floor, it comes to a stop. that's what happens when you slide something across the ipad screen and children respond intuitively to this kind of interface because it really
delights young minds hard wiring because kids love to play with physics. play with balls and things like that. >> i was recently at a restaurant and there was a little kid who was too small to get up on a chair by himself, but once his parents put him there, he was going at that ipad so fast it would make your head spin. any good sense of how popular these are and how many parents might be sucked into buying these for their kids this christmas? >> the word on the ipads is spreading like wildfire among the very young kids. i've been in starbucks using my ipad and 5-year-old kid will tug on his mom's arm and say, look, an ipad. this is in the early days and the mother was like, what's that? the kids already know about it. the demand is going to be enormous. this holiday season kids and teenagers, you know ranging from 2 years old and 18 and beyond will ask for ipads. the reason is the ipad isn't a
toy, it's an entire toy store full of toys because you can simply download applications or apps and it's a universe of fun and hopefully education. so, yeah, everybody is going to want one. >> in the meantime, everybody is debating about how much is too much for kids to be on their ipad? mike elgon, that's a discussion for another day. thanks so much for coming in. >> thank you. first body scanning images and outrage over that going too far. having travelers cry foul. how much privacy will we give up in the name of security? we'll take a look, next. - i volunteered. - i was drafted. - i enlisted. - i was nervous. - and there i was in asia. - europe. - the gulf. - and i saw things. - incredible things. - and people you never forget. - i did my job. - for my country. - my buddies. - for total strangers. - and i was proud. - so grateful. - for my family. - my freedom.
>> i have been through it once myself, it does take a little bit more time, but the response varies by gender, as nbc's tom costello found out for us. >> it is what it is. >> personal space, invasion of personal space. my body. >> i understand why it is needed, however, from a personal standpoint it is an invasion of privacy. >> their objection is the images of what some think look like naked bodies seen by tsa workers. the tsa saying that the faces are obscured automatically by the scanners themselves and the images, reviewed by a person in a remote sealed room are deleted, not saved because that capability is disabled at the factory. you see the pictures there. if you don't want the scan, you can say no which means you have to go through a patdown. that procedure updated two weeks ago, procedures allow the use of open hands and fingers to check areas of the body that most people consider very private that is the groin and chest areas included but there are
also areas where terrorists have, in the past, tried to hide explosives. the argument against all of that right here, some 20 pages as part of a lawsuit from the electronic privacy information center that says the scanners are unlawful and invasive. critics say, you know, use space to screen passengers based on intelligence rather than subject everybody to the procedures. rather, focus on the bad people not bad object bus some polls have shown people don't mind the scan procedures. trip adviser, for instance, says four in five say full body scans are okay. this is interesting, chris. the poll also shows more people object to small talk from person sitting next to them. >> isn't that interesting? that means 20% are willing or have to go through the patdown or not fly at all. let's bring back in congressman bob barr, joanne reed. you travel what do you think about this? >> you know what i actually kind of prefer the full body scan because this last time traveling recently back from new york, i got the patdown and you kind of
feel like you should get at least a dinner out of it afterwards it is really an intimate sort of scan. i think the full body scan is a lot more democratic, everybody goes through the same thing and you can find something. but my rule of worry is we are so reactive, the underwear bomber comes at us, we check your underwear shoe, bomber comes, we have to take off your shoes, when are we going to get ahead of what's coming rather than reacting? >> a tough one, isn't it congressman? we were just talking to our terror expert and he was talking about this movement about al qaeda implanting bombs in living things in dogs and even talking about implanting them in people, so you skip the scan, doubt full body patdown and wouldn't find the bomb. >> the problem here is that we do have something in this country called the bill of rights and if people don't like it or they think it's outmoded because of this almost irrational fear of terrorism that we have post-9/11, then their approach ought to be let's amend the constitution and get rid of the fourth amendment which prohibits this kind of
unwarranted uniform searches of people, but the fact of the matter is that it is unconstitutional for the government to search people without any reasonable suspicious whatsoever that they are doing anything in violation of the law and subjecting individuals publicly to the humiliation of having a grobing search of their private parts, standing there with everybody else to look at them, and the tsa folks running around saying, opt-out, opt-out, we have somebody opting out here furtherers the hugh mill yachlgs and this is being done as we saw recently, even to airline pilots, of all nonsense. you know, americans need to support the lawsuit, the epic lawsuit that you mentioned, and stand up and hopefully, this is something perhaps as we are talking about earlier with the new congress coming in, this would be something that i think a lot of americans would welcome. darrell issa having an investigation into. >> randall, is he right? >> i don't think so at all.
i mean, the right to privacy implies that the airport is a private place. you don't have to fly. there is nothing in the constitution that says i have the right to take an airplane, could you drive, we take the train. we forget nine years ago, planes were used as missiles, some of the most dangerous objects in terms of flying bombs and for people -- people don't like it they don't have to fly and that is the fundamental crux of this lawsuit, is going to the airport a right or a privilege and a choice and i think it is pretty clear it is a privilege and choice and i think that is where the court will come down, too. >> no doubt it will be ledge swlated, bob, randall, joy-ann, thanks to all of you. this thank will do it for me this hour. joining oust company wednesday, hillary clinton supporter, b.e.t.'s jeff johnson. contessa brewer picks things up. child sexting numbers, shocking, 885 arrests that's in
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