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conduct joint military exercises in the renagion. the white house said, the united states remains firmly and fully committed to the defense of its ally, the republic of korea. i don't think they pronounce it that way, though. and now the aircraft carrier george washington is en route, and you know it's serious when aircraft carriers are en route. joining me now is william kohn, former defense secretary in the clinton administration. he now leads a group which specializes in homeland security and defense consulting. mr. secretary, great to have you here. >> good to be with you. >> i want to ask you a very serious question right here. we've got the aircraft carrier on the way. is there any chance we -- this develops into a situation where we actually go to war? >> well, that's always the -- the possibility. what we have to do is to declare very cleary what our message is, and the message that's been announced by the white house, president obama saying we are going to indicate our solidarity
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to those in the north and to those in the world. our message is one of being prepared to defend our ally, south korea. sending a task force group to the region, i think, is helpful. i think it might also be helpful to continue to readjust come of our troop levels and put them closer to that region. and i would even go further. i would consider putting some of our f-22 fighter jets in the -- in the region, perhaps in okinawa, on a semipermanent basis just to send the message that if the north decides that it is going to continue these acts of provocation, then they're going to be responded to vigorously if it comes to it. >> if we get beyond messages, when you were the defense secretary, did you guys have a plan ready? they handed it to you, okay, this is how we annihilate north korea? is that on the shelf inare they lo
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looking through that plan now? >> the pentagon always has contingency plans available that are constantly updated and adjusts to conform to current conditions. planning is always part of the process. it doesn't mean that we are planning to go to war. but if war becomes inevitable, then you have to be prepared for it. that's why the planning takes place on such a regular basis. >> mr. secretary, here's the problem. the sanctions don't seem to work too well on them. they keep agitating and they keep, you know, doing these very aggressive acts, killing people. two people dead in this case, about 16 injured. earlier they sunk the sub, over 40 dead there. if the sanctions aren't working, what other options do we have given that war would seem to be disastrous? >> well, the sanctions are working, as a matter of fact. they're putting more and more pressure on the north korean regime, which is one of the reasons that they are acting in this deliberately provocative course of conduct, that they've engaged in. it's clear that they are short of food. they're short of fuel.
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winter is coming. they want to be recognized as a nuclear power as such. and so they've decided to take these acts of provocation in order to say we're here and you're going to have to deal with us. the way you deal with them is not to reward them for their aggression and acts. but to continue to isolate them. i think it's going to call into question china's decision-making at this point. china is considered to be their -- you know, great chess players. master chess players. long-term strategists. and they have to decide whether it's in their long-term interest to have a relationship of this kind with the north koreans at a time when the -- the world, i think, is -- sees them for what they are, and that is a stalinist regime that doesn't concern itself with its citizens but it only interested in producing more and more military weapons including nuclear weapons. i think china is going to have to make a choice here at some point. n they have resisted taking strong action against north korea. i think they have to make a decision as to where their
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interests lie. i don't think it lies with the north korean regime. >> i want to ask you one more serious question about china. i was amused by the message that north korea sent out. here's here, we're weird, get used to it. but it's hard to keep up with them. but china should be more reliable. i mean, they're not necessarily on our side, of course, on economic issues, et cetera. what's their game plan here? why would they be encouraging north korea when it's going to blow up on them as much as anybody else? don't they want stable business relationships? what is their game plan here? >> well, it's not that they're encouraging this type of action. quite to the contrary. they're very upset with the north korecountrkoreans for wha doing at this time and previously in the sinking of the ship. i think that the -- the difficulty is that they have no interest in seeing a unified korea under the sway of the united states. and so they would prefer to keep the koreas divided. that provides a buffer.
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but, again, looking at it from a long-term it, here you have a relationship with the south korean government, a major trading partner, by the way, now with china. and china has to look at the two koreas and say, do our interests lie with a -- a south korean government or even a unified korea as opposed to constantly, you know, bucking up the north korea regime, by giving them food and fuel and other types of assistance. the long-term interests lie in another direction, and i hope the chinese government and the leadership will take a long look at how they can bring more pressure to bear on the chinese -- on the north koreans and say, you know, unless there's going to be a change of conduct, there has to be a change of regime. that's the only way this will be resolved. >> secretary, i want to talk about the seoul treaty, too. the republicans are blocking it in the senate. do they have legitimate reasons for that is this just obstruction? and how do you deal with that when it's endangering national security? >> we have to make an appeal to
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all of the republicans that this agreement, this treaty, is in our long-term security interests. the obama administration has been very persistent in trying to reset the relationship with russia. i think the reduction of our nuclear -- respective nuclear arsenals is important. we have the support of the nato countries. we have those eastern european countries who were once under the domination of the soviet union supporting us. we have republicans going back to ronald reagan to president bush supporting reductions in nuclear weapons. i think we ought to put aside any political considerations and say this is in the long-term best interest of the united states and russia and we need to continue to work together on areas that we can. we're always going to find areas of disagreement with russia. we have many where we disagree. this is one where we can agree. >> but it seems like you're trying to rationalize with them, with the n kyl is basically say
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give me more money for modernizing our nuclear weapons who are, of course, a lot of his campaign contributors. >> i don't think it are a question of campaign contributicontribut contributi contributions. i don't question senator kyl's motivations. >> i do. >> i think it's in our long-term interest to have a modernized, strategic arsenal. we want that. republicans want that. democrats should want that. what we should do is put this away and say, we have added -- the administration has added $4 billion on top of what has been planned. there's a commitment by the administration to continue to modernize the nuclear arsenal fleet as we seek to reduce the numbers and open up the russian inventory for inspection. that's to our security interests and not against us. so i think you can appeal to republicans on this issue. richard lugar is someone that we should really look to for
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leadership on this issue. i think that we can make an appeal. you're seeing leaders from past administrations join hands, republicans and democrats, saying this is in our security interests and we ought to put aside the areas where we disagree. we can talk about obama care, we can talk about how we get more jobs created. that we can really differ on politically. this is one we shouldn't. >> right. and richard lugar has been great on it all throughout, bush administration, obama administration. i wish he could convince his republican cohorts. >> i think you can look to people like susan collins, the senator from maine, senator olympia snowe from maine. there are a number of others who will listen to reason on this in terms of the rastionale for why it's important, why this is a continuum of what was started under ronald reagan. many of the conservative republicans invoked the name of ronald reagan as their icon, and
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then when it comes to reducing nuclear weapons, which he was so much in favor of, there's resist chb resistance. i hope they'll look at the facts and look at it on its merits and not as any way a political gain, a chess game. >> i hope so, too. thank you, former defense secretary. we appreciate it. >> thank you. all right. now to afghanistan and the 2014 exit date. they war is now in its tenth year with the costs mounting every single day. republican congressman mike kaufman is from colorado. he serves on the house armed services committee and is a former marine. and yesterday he returned from a trip to afghanistan. congressman, great to have you here. i know you were in afghanistan a year ago as well. did you see a difference? >> you know, i saw a difference on the ground. we're making progress militarily. but i think the afghan governance peace that has to follow on once we've secured an area -- and i think that part is
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problem problematic. we lead to look at course correction, i think, in terms of the policy. >> i know you -- you're against nation building. are we doing nation building in afghanistan? >> we are absolutely doing nation building. it's a robust counterinsurgency whose cornerstone is really nation building. i think that's a bridge too far. i think it's unsustainable for our military and for the taxpayers of this country. >> so that's interesting. then do you want to leave before the 2014 exit date? >> no, first of all, i think the president is right about the 2014 date. i don't see that as an exit strategy at all. that is -- that is a date merely by which there's a benchmark which afghan security forces are to take the lead in military operations. what i think is -- i do think we need a presence in afghanistan that meets our security interests. i don't think that reshaping
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afghan society, developing their economy and giving them a western-style form of government that doesn't fit their political culture is in our best interest and, quite frankly, i don't think that it's achievable and necessarily in their interest. >> so, congressman, i'm trying to understand what you -- what you think the proper aim should be. that's an interesting question. so if you were in charge, what would you want to do in the next four years? and would that be worth it? four years to do what? i'm trying to get that. >> well, i think we have an interest, security interest in afghanistan that it not fall to taliban control. i think we have great interest in pakistan right now. particularly in the ungovernable areas. our presence in afghanistan gives us a platform where we can certainly strike at those terrorist threats, those al qaeda threats in pakistan as they coalesce. i think we certainly have a role to play in afghanistan. i think the problem with the --
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this administration is they've adopted the plan from the last administration that is basically a nation building plan that requires us, again, to create a western-style form of government in afghanistan, reshape their society, and develop their economy. and i don't think that -- i think we can achieve our security objectives in afghanistan without doing all those things. and i think to -- and i think it's unrealistic, the current plan. i think there's a path in the middle. we can do counterinsurgency where there's relative security and counterterrorism where there's not. >> you know, we're in half agreement there. i don't think we can build up the nation of afghanistan. i agree with you. on the other hand, i think, you know, we're fighting the taliban and the taliban is fighting us because we're there. you know, they've -- 92% in cand har and helmand in a poll when asked why the americans are here, they had no idea. they hadn't even heard of 9/11.
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it seems to me that we should get out earlier. i want to go to another topic. you wrote a letter to robert gates about the ft. hood shooting. you said one of the problems is the ideology of radical islam. can you tell us your thoughts on that? >> well, i think during the cold car, we recognized an ideological threat of marxist communism. and we, in fact, vetted those serving in the military to make sure they didn't have sympathies to that ideology. we, i believe, are facing today the threat of radical islam. it's an ideology, i think, fraudulently camouflaged in a religion. i served in iraq with the united states marine corps and i served with muslim-americans that distinguished themselves really as -- as patriotic americans. and i would think that they would want to make sure that they were vetted as well to where the soldiers around them had confidence in them, that they were not sympathetic. >> but, congressman, i mean,
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when you say to somebody, hey, i want to vet you because of your religion, can you see how that might cause problems? eric rudolph did the olympic bombing, he was a radical christian. if someone said, congressman kaufman,ioha i have to vet you because you're not radical, wouldn't you be bothered by that? >> everybody going into the military is vetted to make sure they're not a threat to their fellow soldiers. and i think, is it a form of profiling to say that american muslims -- that might be, in fact, eventually encouraged into raddle islam -- let me tell you what the danger is, what i worry about for the muslim-americans serving in the military that by trying to be so politically correct where they're not
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vetted, i think the fact that there are spuspicions on them b their fellow soldiers, airmen, sailors and marines. i think that that's -- those suspicions further alienate them and make them more susceptible to -- to some of the tenets of radical islam. it's healthier for our military overall. >> then you're singling out the muslims, though. doesn't that create a problem? so you say, hey, look, everybody is vetted, but i want to vet the muslims that are going into the military more. if somebody came to you and said i'm not going to vet the muss lms or the jews or buddhists, whoever, but since you're a christian, i'm going to vet you more because of all the people that have done terrorist acts. wouldn't that be problematic and a constitutional problem? >> i think we have to -- the mission of the military is defend democracy. i don't know if it's to practice it. but i do think that we have a responsibility to at least recognize this administration has to recognize that we are at
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war with an ideology and that is radical islam. this administration refuses to recognize that threat. and i think that that is -- is part of the political correctness of the -- the ft. hood report. i think the question is that the military needs to be asking itself is how many more soldiers are going to be -- lives are going to be sacrificed at the alter of political correctness before we come to the grips with the fact that we are at war with radical islam and that just as we had to vet people to make sure they didn't have sympathies with marxist -- we have to vet people today to make sure they don't have sympathies with radical islam. >> we've got to leave on a note of disagreement. i'm afraid that if you go to muslims and say i'm going to vet all of you, you conflate muslims with radical islams. i understand what you're saying. we want to thank you for joining
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there is new scrutiny on michael chert off for how he stands to gain financially on the advice he gives to the public. should we be giving credit to republicans for challenging their former homeland security chief? we'll talk about that right now. all right, guys. first let me show you a clip from ron paul talking about chertoff. let's watch that. >> michael chertoff, here's a guy that was the head of the tsa selling the equipment. the equipment's questionable.
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we don't even know good it works, and it may well behealth >> he wasn't the only congressman challenging him. we contacted the chertoff group. they said the chertoff group played no role in the sale of whole body imaging technology to tsa. i'm not sure that was the issue, but that was their statement. all right. first, don't you have to give credit to republicans for going after their own guy? >> i do give credit. i think we have a revolving door problem here. we talk about it most often with lobbyists. i want to be clear, none of the reports to this date suggest that mr. chertoff has done anything illegal. we have to be fair and clear about that. this kind of influence pedaling and going out there and pushing certain policies not because he's a consultant but because of his former government position when, in fact, his main work now days in the private sectoric that is a big problem. >> isn't the problem not what is illegal, because i don't think
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he did anything illegal, but what's legal. these guys have a mote vaivatio that while they're in government to make sure they're friendly to these guys and then they get out and they get paid millions and they use their contacts to actually -- one of the things they do is they greatly increase the deficit by getting these contracts. isn't that a real problem for the system? >> well, yeah, it's absolutely a big problem for the system. beyond that also, this wouldn't be possible if we didn't have a congress that was willing to sign the checks. you know, ari and i are pretty aligned on this issue. you have a revolving door problem. you have people part of the bureaucracy who seek to expand their bureaucracy, their departments, their budgets and they need to spend money on certain things. then they say, hey, i can probably get a cut of it, retire, and then go get the job. >> i want to agree with j.p. maybe it's our thanksgiving spirit that we can come together. the obama administration has talked about the revolving door, but the main restriction has been saying we're not going to hire lobbyists, right? that's only one issue.
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that's before. one of the problems is after they served doing this kind of stuff. go ahead. >> he also abandoned that pledge to not hire lobbyists. he wound up giving wavers to a lot of people. the republican administration should do the same thing. people should demand this of their congressmen and their elected officials. barney frank actually wound up banning a former staffer of his for lobbying his office and other congressmen on behalf of a bank that was affected by pending legislation. this is -- >> all right. let me jump in here. now that we've got this smorgsboasmorg smorgasbord of agreement, my proposal is tenure lobbying ban for anyone in government, okay? and that includes staffers, congressmen, the president. that includes the generals and the colonels because they get huge deals from the defense contractors afterwards. so, j.p., what do you think? can we do that? >> i like the idea. the problem is, of course, you will wind up having a guy who
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serves as a consultant to a company and the company will do the lobbying and he won't be in the room, but he'll help arrange the meetings. just shrink the executive branch, shrink the government and you won't have this problem. >> yeah. i'd like to give it a shot even though it's hard. no question it will be hard. all right. i got to do another topic with you guys. we have corporate profits at a report rate now. $1.6 trillion. that's just in the summer quarter. j.p., let me stay with you. you know, we keep giving tax cuts to corporations, et cetera, in the hopes they'll create jobs, but here they are making corporate, you know, record corporate products and yet we still don't have the jobs. what's going on? >> i think that uncertainty plays a role here. i don't know if i can see ari rolling his eyes at that, but companies are trying to play it safe. if you're not certain of what's coming over the horizon, especially when it comes to the sustained tax increase -- sorry, the sustained tax cuts from bush, if they can't count on
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that, they'll have to make sure they have more money in their coughers. otherwise, they might wind up having to lay off more people. >> we had two millionaires on the show yesterday. they're saying tax us more. they said that's just not true. they don't operate their business like that at all. but let me -- let me let ari jump in here. >> i think this is the deal. you want to let companies be free, you want a free-market system, they get to do what they want. that's the baseline. if you want them to do something in particular like hire american workers as opposed to outsourcing, right, or build here instead of building somewhere else or not trade in risky securities, you have to make a rule for it. that's what we're looking at here. we've had all of this talk about government spending, we have ideological disagreements on that. when it comes to how to influence these companies, yes. the type of tax breaks they get, the time of benefits they get from the government should be tied to herring people at home. the people that want to take that money can do that and those that want to opt out, fine.
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go do your thing. >> and i think a lot of cases they're hiring people. they're just hiring them in china and india. it's been a great conversation. thanks for joining us, guys. >> thank you. we're coming right back. we have cookies and raspberries. awesome. what's the first thing to do at a tea party? do the tea. okay. i can do that. put it in your cup. ladies first. thank you. men with skirts second. introducing cisco umi, together we are the human network. cisco. love you guys. ♪ [ male announcer ] open up a cadillac during our season's best sales event and receive the gift of asphalt. experience the exhilarating cadillac cts with a direct injection v6. it's the one gift you can open up all year long. see your cadillac dealer for this attractive offer.
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i'm mary thompson with your market wrap. let's see how stocks are doing
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today, the day ahead of thanksgiving. gains across the board. the dow up 144. the s&p up 16.5. the nasdaq up 47. first-time jobless claims fell that their lowest level in two years last week. 407,000 people applied for unemployment benefits, and that's down by 34,000. a much better than expected number. new home sales dropped by 8% to a near record low last month. the median home price dropped to its lowest point in seven years. homes sold at a median price of $194,900. sglrvelths th that's it from cnbc. now it's time to check in on some of the other big headlines. vur veronica de la cruz is the woman, and he's got the headlines. the government's color-coded terror alert system may be going away.
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the system is being replaced with a more descriptive way to tell the public about threats. august of 2006 was the last time the threat level was changed on the color-coded system. thousands of british students staged a massive protest over government plans to triple college tuition fees. students marched towards the house of parliament in london. some climbs on top of bus shelters and other attacked a park police van. two officers were injured and three protesters were arrested. just two weeks ago, students held a similar protest. comedian and actor bill cosby walked throughstreets of connecticut today to tell parents to get involved in their kids' education. he also asked residents to get serious about taking their neighborhood back. >> i want you all to understand the value of your children. find out how your child is doing
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in school. who your child is playing with. demand that the school behave properly. you behave properly. >> and those are your headlines. let's get you back to the man, cenk uyger. >> thank you, veronica. >> happy day before thanksgiving, by the way. >> you, too. all right. enjoy the turkey. >> i will. >> all right. and enjoy the pudding because that's what bill cosby is about. that was a great message by cosby. >> it was. speaking of thanksgiving, millions of us are gearing up for the travel around the thanksgiving holiday. before you head out, you should know what to expect no matter what your mode of transportation. this is our segment on planes, trains and automobiles, which was a totally underrated movie. now we have live team coverage from across the country with kristen dahlgren in chicago, mike taibbi in chicago, and tan
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tran in atlanta. let's start with kristen dahlgren from o'hare airport. kristen? >> hey there, cenk. things looking good here so far. 1.8 million travelers expected to go through chicago's o'hare this week. what happens here does affect the rest of the system and the tsa reporting no major protests, no major slowdowns. the fear was that a lot of people would opt out of the body scanning machines and force the tsa to do the longer patdowns and that would slow down the system and cause delays. you can see the security lines, not too bad. they've been moving pretty quickly through here all day. so we haven't seen any of those protests. most of the passengers we've talked to really don't mind the extra security. take a listen. >> it's been easier than i expected this morning. the traffic on the highway was not that bad. everybody was really nice at check-in.
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>> it doesn't look as packed as i figured it would be. i'm okay so far. >> and that's what the tsa is reporting around the country. they say from honolulu all the way to the east coast, they're not seeing any major delays. there have been a couple more visible protests, a woman in l.a. who went through security or tried to go through in her bikini. somebody in salt lake city stripped down to his speedo. generally things moving quickly. weather may be the bigger problem today, cenk. >> i'm much more in favor of the l.a. protest than the other one. okay. kristen dahlgren in chicago, thank you. now from the airways to the railways, new york's penn station is the busiest rail station in the country. some travelers say for them, taking the train is the best way to avoid hassles to get to where you need to go. >> i think this may be something that i look at doing more and more, just to get away from the whole aggressive screening procedures. >> it's just easier and cheaper to take the -- to take the train
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right now. >> they're making joe biden proud. all right. mike taibbi joins us live now from penn station. >> interesting that a number of people said that, that they're factoring in these added security procedures at the airport into their decision about whether to take the plane instead of the train. they have been taking the train. it's been okay right now, most of the time when i'm here, i feel like a quarterback trying to dodge a blitz. people have been racing by. amtrak expects to have a record day today. over 127,000 people riding the rails. they'll know that in four or five days. it's been jammed. amtrak is making a couple of suggestions to its passengers. a, reserve your seat. don't just show up and hope that you can get one when you show up at the ticket window. that might be impossible. also, get to the station early. and then maybe check some luggage because space on board is restricted, of course. s of carry-ons, take two.
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it's not a rule, they're not going to kick you off if you have more than two, but because space is limited, try to do that. >> i always try to get there early and never do. but it's good an idea anyway. mike taibbi, thank you. now let's get a look at the roads. 94% of travelers are expected to hit the highways over these next few days. that's a big number. that adds up to 40 million people on the roads alone. many of them are already on their way. >> hey, cenk. those 40 or so million americans will be heading through here, millions of them will be coming through or to atlanta here. this is the georgia navigator center. they have about 2,000 cameras set up to monitor the traffic conditions. if you can read the sign, it says holiday travel alert, i-75 southbound, heavy congestion. you're right now, we're coming
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on to the peak time for all the congestion, coming through and to atlanta here. there's going to be a lot of action coming through here. what they're telling everybody here at the navigator center, they're telling people to pack a lot of patience. this is the time where a lot of accidents happen as well. cenk? >> all right. thank you so much. now, coming up, the pope is cool with condoms now. god bless. but does that make sense? some don't think so. plus, a father gets visitation time with his kids reduced for his religious beliefs. we'll tell you the crazy details. and disney has decided to kill off princesses. ironic. we'll explain. there's a big idea happening in medicare
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today. the los angeles times is reporting that disney is killing off the princess. this weekend, the folks at disney will release "tangled," the latenist stallment of the princess rapunzel letting down her hair, but after that, it's a wrap on the princess animated movies. apparently, little girls are no longer longing to become princesses when they grow up. little girls want to be cool pop stars now instead. comedian chuck gneiss is joining us live. did miley cyrus kill off the princesses? >> i hope not, but you little girls are quite the fools. because being a princess is awesome. take it from me, i used to be one. >> is that right? how does that work? >> i'm glad the crew laughed at that. that was a dicy prospect, going with that joke. i'm serious. i'll tell you who this really screws up, and it's young boys. because as far as i'm concerned, when i was growing up, i was
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compared -- i was told i had to be a prince, i had to be a gentleman. now these kids are getting let off the hook. the girls will have nothing to compare them to. yeah, that's my little prince over there, the one throwing up in the corner. isn't he sweet? >> and the singer prince might have to change his name again. >> yes. >> he probably can't be prince anymore. >> he has to go back to squiggly line, circle with the arrow thing. >> they might make a comeback. they killed off the princess for 30 years. in 1959, they did sleeping beauty. they didn't do another princess beauty until 1989. maybe the princess will come back. >> princesses will be back. >> all right. here's a crazy story. a father is claiming he lost visitation rights with his children because of his religious beliefs. he's agnostic. the father says he started digging for answers when his time with his kids was reduced after the judge determined that
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he communicated better with his wife when he was a christian. isn't that crazy? >> that is beyond crazy. on a serious note, this is a -- a serious trampling of the constitutional rights of each and every one of us. to have a judge say that you have to be a certain -- where does it stop? you're not a good enough christian? you know, you haven't done a miracle? it's kind of crazy. if this is really what it is, just the fact that he's agnostic, then this is a terrible miscarriage of justice. i'm hoping there's more to this story, something like he's agnostic and he likes to eat puppies. something like that. >> you know, it's a divorce so both sides are getting at one another. she says he showed up at work and yelled. he says she doesn't take care of the kids. he actually got beat up by her boyfriend as well. he's in bad shape. according to fox 59, judge george pankal wrote, the father did not participate in the same religious training as the
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mother. the father was agnostic. when the father considered himself a christian, the parties were able to communicate relatively effectively. the judge is saying, i'm not against you for being agnostic, but you're having trouble communicating because she's christian and you're not. do you think that would have flown if he said, you're a jew and as a jew, you can't communicate as well. that's crazy. >> it is crazy. honestly, it's -- it's -- people marry interfaith marriage is here. it happens. so, i mean, there's a way for people to actually get along and come to -- it's called -- what is it called? oh, being an adult. that's what it's called. >> and i saw the guy in the report. he's crying, he's like, i love my kids. everybody knows i love my kids. all right. we're going to work on that. >> i've got news for him. buddy, be careful what you wish for. i spent a few weekends with my kids, and it ain't as easy as you think. >> all right. now on to the pope. the pope says it's okay to use condoms sometimes. it might depend on, are you
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sitting, whether you're a male or female prostitute and whether you're trying to prevent diseases or pregnancy. okay. now, look, he says, look, you know, we need that, you know, the baby machine to keep rolling. >> right. >> but if you're trying to prevent disease -- >> it's a whole other story. >> does that make sense? >> it's kind of convoluted logic, but it makes sense in a weird, crazy kind of way. because, you know, the -- the logic here is, listen, if you're already committing the sin of adultery and fornication by being a male or female prostitute, you might as well be safe about it. which kind of makes sense, doesn't it? >> i mean, really, you're in a lot of trouble anyway. you might as well not get sick on this side. >> you're going to hell. don't get sick on the way. >> it ain't going to help anybody. that's absolutely true. >> right? it kind of makes sense. >> i just didn't know the pope could change rules like that.
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does he go, all right, i'm getting a message. the condoms are going to be okay for prostitutes going forward. >> yeah. honestly y have to say, you know, the pope always takes a lot of heat. and here is an instance where the catholic church is trying to be progressive and actually speak to a social malady that plagues our society. so in a way, you have to give the catholic church some credit here because they're really stepping out on a limb to say anything about condom usage being okay. that's akin to them like having a key party. hey, put your keys in the fish bowl. let's go. it's a real -- it's a real test for them. >> if they did, they'd put it in the papal hat, which is really cool. i give them credit. it's the right move. all right. chuck nice, thank you so much for joining us. >> it's a pleasure. now next, my ode to thanksgiving, the fall, and america when we come back. [ manager ] you know...
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okay. now that the show is almost all over it is thanksgiving time for me, which i love. you might not know this but i'm quite a corny guy. i love this country. i love the fall. i love thanksgiving. and i even love giving that was, which turns out to be a great thing, actually, as we explained on the show yesterday, being grateful wind up being good for your health, okay? that must mean my family is in great shape because this wonderfully hokey and awkward tradition of going around the table at thanksgiving and saying what we're grateful for. of course, most people say family and friends, et cetera, 'cause they are sitting around you, but one year, my best friend was over and he said air conditioning it is underrated, we would be in a lot of trouble without that and i thought that was a finance tassic point. this year, i'm going to get started a little early with our tradition by telling guy what is i'm grateful for. if you are one of those cynical people, get ready to vomit. ha ha. this is going to be hokey. first, i'm grateful for the opportunities in this country. my father was a farmer in a small town in southeastern
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turkey. i'm on national television in america. why? 'cause this country gave us a chance. so true of so many people. the guys i went to school with when i was younger, guys from small towns across the country. some now have become congressmen, doctors, lawyers and successful businessmen. one of the guys shorted the subprime mortgage market and made $50 million. could you argue, but he has got a lot of money. none of these guys were i will lumme n illuminati or skull and bones, but they were kids who worked hard, got a great education and took advantage of the opportunities in this country. that can be you or your son and daughter, the dream is still alive. second, i'm thalful for my freedom of speech. this is my second job. my first job is being the host of the young turks, largest online news show in the world.
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i get interviewed boot national press all the time and they ask me how i say the thing also i do about my government. can't believe how much i criticize obama even though supposed to be on the same political side as me, how i call bush stupid and crazy. aren't there consequences, they ask? doesn't government do anything to you? to this point, nope, let's hope it stays that way. look, we get to criticize their government, hold them accountable, in the strongest terms, ain't it a beautiful country? and finally, i'm grateful for our democracy. yes, i have said many times that it has been deeply corrupted by the power of money and lobbyists and it might be down but it ain't out. we still have the vote that's why i was actually encouraged by the tea party rebellion even though we believe vastly different things. they at least held their representatives accountable and threw some of the bums out. i'm encouraged by the progressive primaries, encourage there had are so many people in this country who want to fight back and get our government back from the corporate interests and special interests that have taken over. you can call me corny, but i
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believe, i believe we can make a difference and rescue our democracy. to borrow a frizz from a man i often criticize, yes, we can. happy thanksgiving, everybody, enjoy america that is our show for this wednesday. i will be back on monday night right here at 3 p.m. also back on the dylan ratigan show doing another rant, which is fun for everybody. stay tuned for dylan, his show is excellent. ♪ ♪ i'm gonna get my hair cut ♪ even if i have to cut it myself ♪ ♪ i'm gonna get my hair cut ♪ even if i have to cut it myself ♪ ♪ but it makes me out of breath ♪ ♪ when you say ♪ ♪ love is a game -♪ a game for two -[ ring ] ♪ love is a game i want to play with you ♪ [ female announcer ] introducing the dell streak 5 pocket tablet exclusively at dell.com and best buy. [ female announcer ] introducing the dell streak 5 pocket tablet
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