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time for one quick e-mail rob. >> ray says i haven't been able to sleep well since hearing of willie nelson's pot bust. i sleep in fear when security focuses on a 77-year-old icon. >> seriously, leave willie nelson alone. >> leave guys named willy who smoke weed alone. "morning joe" starts right now. perhaps some other time. >> hoye about a rain check? >> well, let's just stick to dinner. >> cuban? >> no, dutch irish. my father was from wales. >> can i interest you in a
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nightcap? >> no thank you. i don't wear them. >> follow that black car, the black car. >> check your mirror, signal, now pull into traffic. 6:00 on the east coast. wow. that's a sad passing. >> he's a good one. >> i even saw the movies. >> you're kidding. >> i know. >> mike, he started as a serious actor, right? >> yes, like us. >> leslie nielsen, 84 years old died over the weekend. known for "airplane" which i didn't see. you guys did though. >> he was a funny guy. willie geist? >> one of the greats. >> you put him in the will ferrell category. you look at him and makes you laugh. >> one of those guys and also one of the few in hollywood whose lines never get old.
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he's got the rodney danger field, chevy chase, leslie nell nielsen frngs they're always funny. >> the lame duck congress comes back. much more going on. a lot of football. >> yes, we do. >> it looks like a whole bunch of documents dumped in ever bod ice lap. >> some of them are really interesting. it's monday, november 29th. with us onset we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle and "new york times" columnist charles blow. coming up ken feinberg will drop by along with former governor howard dean and jamie rubin. >> did you have a good thanksgiving? >> i did. >> did you actually eat a cat for thanksgiving? >> no, we didn't.
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>> is that what you ate? is that a polish? >> in my family it's possible. but no, we adopted a cat. we brought it home. that's it. my husband broke down. it was very nice of him. >> what's the cat's name? patrick? name it patrick. >> charles, how was your thanksgiving? >> it was fantastic. i did a pot luck thanksgiving. >> i love that. >> fantastic. >> what was the best thing you ate? >> my own food. >> what's your specialty on thanksgiving so we'll head to brooklyn and eat with you? >> my specialty -- i've been doing this pot luck thing for three thanksgivings. collard greens. rave reviews. >> do you cook a lot? >> i do cook a lot. >> i'm inviting you over to my
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apartment. mike, did you have a good thanksgiving? >> my favorite holiday next to 4th of july because you don't have to buy anyone anything. just feed people. >> how about you? >> no fights around the table? >> a couple. but i had john timeny. >> so nick and collin they start fighting. timeny just leans over. did you have a good thanksgiving? >> i did, my mother-in-law, the world's greatest cook, a huge feast again this year. >> thank you. thank nantucket. >> good thanksgiving. the kids were wonderful in nantucket. yeah, they were. a lot of need this time of year. >> also a lot of news. >> how many turkeys did you distribute? >> oh, my god, how many did i not distribute? that's the question. had a great time. lighting of the christmas tree. joe biden was up there. joe biden jumped in to -- they have this thing where you jump
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in the water like total jackasses. >> in the middle of winter, i've done that. polar plunge. >> he jumped in with the rest of them on thanksgiving. raised a lot of money for charity? >> i like that. we'll start with the wikileaks story. the obama administration is scrambling to limit the damage of the latest massive document release from wikileaks. some of the most confidential communications are found in more than a quarter million diplomatic cables made available to "the new york times" and several other news organizations. 24,000 are marked secret or too sensitive to share with the foreign government. none are marked top secret. among the revelations are that saudi ar rake by yeah's king abdullah urged the u.s. to attack and destroy. bahrain's king argued for taking action on iran by whatever means necessary saying the program must be stopped. another document reveals a secret u.s. effort to get
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pakistan to hand over enriched uranium from one of their nuclear reactors for fear it could be used in a nuclear weapon. but last may the u.s. achl bass door ann patterson wrote home saying the effort failed because pakistani officials feared local media would, coat, portray it as the united states taking pakistan's nuclear weapons. one cable involves attempts by the u.s. and yemen to cover up american involvement in missile strikes against al qaeda targets. in january meeting, yemen's president told general david petraeus, we'll continue saying the bombs are ours, not yours, admitting he had just lied to his own parliament. the document leak also reveals back room bargaining to empty guantanamo bay for slo vin yeah to take a prisoner if it wanted to meet with president obama. one of the most embarrassing cables -- >> something more than that? there's more on that.
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you want to go there now? there were a couple different countries that were offered deals. >> i think -- was it luxembourg they were willing to give 157 mickey mantle baseball cards for two -- they took it. >> stop it. >> here is lindsey graham yesterday talking about what should happen to the people that are distributing these wikileaks. >> leaking the material is deplorable. i agree with the pentagon's asment that the people at wikileaks could have blood on their hands. we or at war. the world is getting dangerous today. people that do this are low on the food chain as far as i'm concerned. if you can prosecute them, let's try. >> mike barnicle, what do we do with people leaking these documents? >> this is a little guy, private first class. >> a big impact in afghanistan. it's had a big impact -- will have a big impact across the
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world. >> i was reading all the news stories last night, late last night as they come in and the times is filled with stuff today. one question begs to be answered in my mind and has not yet been answered. these originated, private first class bradley manning to wikileaks allegedly. how does a lowly private first class get access to all of this? >> that's the question that i'm asking. >> how? >> you have one kid who has in the worst of ways compromised the security of troops on the ground in afghanistan, compromised years of diplomatic work. how do we have a system, charles -- that's the question. this kid, he needs to be sent away for a very long time. but we need to ask ourselves bigger questions. systemically, how do we have a security system that can be so easily breached? >> that gets to the enormous
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business en tina tour of the post 9/11 intelligence gathering world where there are thousands and thousands of people with access. and you don't necessarily have the checks an ambulances to make sure you know who is going in and out. but also it gets to this idea that the world itself has changed, that you have younger people now who come into the military, who are used to this idea of sharing everything. and now you have vehicles by which you can leak things. >> by the way, charles, let's just say -- we're sort of on the cusp between these two worlds. i'm actually there more than you are. this is not as shocking to me as the pentagon papers were to my father in 1971. yet it's the same thing. >> right. >> we tend to think that information is free. it's free flowing and there are few barriers. this is a case where there have to be barriers. >> there have to be. but i think the government is getting a sense of what we've
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all gotten used to already with googlend all of your information being -- you assume that there are no real privacy barriers. and the government is getting a taste of that, too, where things are made more open and available, and i think you'll see more of this and you'll -- it will probably have a dampening effect on people's willingness to talk to us and be candid in what they say. >> that is a problem, our relations with other countries. you've got a lot of arab leaders from moderate states whose people underneath them are not so moderate, who will be outraged. mike, really quickly. "the new york times," how do they handle this? >> i think they handled it as well as they could handle it. obviously it's a step that you don't want to take as a newspaper publishing state secrets. the times today, it was going to get out regardless whether "the
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times" published it or not. he pointed out they have cooperate washington, d.c. the white house house, in terms of redacting names. >> as bill keller said, if it was embarrassing, that's not our problem. if it touched on state secrets, that is our problem. i think "the times" has been very responsible. >> there's both. in terms of embarrassing. one of the most embarrassing cables may involved the u.s. state department that reportedly showed secretary of state hillary clinton and condoleezza rice before her ordered u.s. intelligence services to gather private information on un leaders and diplomats including computer passwords, even dna and fingerprints. also included were candid comments about world leaders. afghan president hamid karzai is described as, quote, being driven by paranoia. russian prime minister putin is seen as an alpha dog. while french president nicholas
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sarkozy is an emperor without clothes. and evelyn "teflon" merkel. robert gibs saying president obama supports open and accountable government at home and around the world. this reckless and dangerous action runs counter to that goal. we condemn in the strongest terms the unauthorized disclosure of classified documents and sensitive national security information. they also say the revelations could be a game changer with some of our allies. >> i want to go back to what mike said earlier because i think this is the most important point, that a lowly -- what was his rank? >> private first class. >> a lowly private first class had access. hell, if i wanted to get the personnel records at cnbc, i couldn't get them. i'm serious.
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if i wanted the personnel records for somebody else on msnbc, i could never get to them. general electric has more effective fire walls. obviously i'm constantly trying to see how much other people are getting paid. i'm saying, chris, you can't crack this nut? what are you? but seriously though, you can't even do that inside corporations. it is stunning to me that a private first class can get state department secrets of this nature, pentagon secrets of this nature, war -- it's unbelievable. >> download this highly classified information onto dvds. label the dvds as lady gaga music and take them, remove them from where he was downloading them repeatedly. >> i come back to this idea that that's not that big of a deal. that's not that hard to do. once you have access -- who knows why this kid had access.
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again, the system is so enormous. once you have the access, you pop in and you can do it in a second. >> there have got to be fire walls. there's no reason why this kid should be able to be seeing what hillary clinton has to say about sarkozy. let's really quickly keep this kid's face up. i'm sure he did it as a matter of conscience. i've got to say, though, i think the government needs to lock him up for a very long time. >> i bet not. i have no idea. i bet not a matter of conscience. anger over thing. >> he needs to be sent to jail for a very, very long time. and i see that as obviously -- personally a tragedy. other people need to know, if i do this, i'm going to jail for at least 25 years. >> and there are already reports -- andrea mitchell has already reported the state department has upgraded security. there's a whole generation of young people, charles is right, who do this for a living.
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the guy who started wikileaks was a computer hacker. these are people who know how to get into systems. we have to step up security. >> it is a new world. don't you think if other private first classes found out in the future who knew this kid got sent to jail for a quarter of a century, they would go, okay, maybe it is a big deal after all. i'm not dealing with downloading the latest weezer file. all right, i'm stuck in 1995. phoenix grizzly bear. all right. is that better? i'm tired. i don't know why i said weezer. what's next? lisa lobe? this is horrible. the job on capitol hill that no democrat wants. it's one of the top stories. in a few minutes, andrea mitchell will join us with details on how the state
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department is reacting to the wickly leak cables. we'll talk with the makers of the war move very "restrepo." but first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. hope everyone had a wonderful thanksgiving break. it's a cold morning on the east coast, just like it was this weekend. clear skies and temperatures down in the 30s in most locations. so probably a frost out there and probably a little ice on your windshield this morning. it's going to be sunny and bright today just like yesterday. temperatures will be nice. it's a nice monday. things change on tuesday. new york city, tuesday night when the 30 rock christmas tree gets lit up. looks like the rain will arrive late tuesday. philly and d.c., you a chance of rain tomorrow. this will be a big rain event. it begins in new orleans up through the ohio valley. you'll see significant rainfall. but for today, everyone else on the east coast, it's looking
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what would teddy roosevelt think of today's politics. >> you keep asking this president questions. as was said in "my cousin vinnie," that's a [ bleep ] question. you can't pluck people out of the past and expect them to comment on what's happening today. i can sort of see us, us americans through their eyes. not all that i see is
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attractive. i see an insular people who are insensitive to foreign sensibilities, who are lazy, obese, complacent. >> that was a guy that was allowed to follow ronald reagan around for a very long time, given more access than anybody else, was allowed to interview reagan after he left the presidency, was the official biographer of reagan. you want to talk about bs, he wrote the worst presidential biography ever. talk about lazy and stupid and whatever else, he was too lazy and stupid to actually write a real biography, so he just made things up. and he said at the beginning, i couldn't do this, soy just made -- do we have a seven second delay?
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i just made -- >> you can. somewhere a delay. do you want to try it out? are you saying what you're telling us about his book takes away what he was saying there? >> i'm saying pot, be careful what you call the kettle. >> i always wonder about people like evan morris, i don't know him obviously, but when he says things such as that, why does he not live here? go back to birmingham, have cold pour lidge and unchilled milk. come on. >> it's okay for us to say it about us. mika says it every day. i don't need someone like him telling us anything, especially if he's too lazy and stupid to even finish dutch. >> you don't need to lurn fooir. stop. >> he just made stuff up. >> arianna was in with him and
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jumped in defend america. >> arianna just wrote a book on where we're going, downhill, the middle class. my dad is writing a book on what that guy said. the or grownian, the teenager of plotting to bomb a christmas tree lighting ceremony will make his first appearance in court today. holiday sales web up today. expected to be the largest cyber monday in u.s. history. nearly one in five americans are likely to take advantage of online sales. >> the front page story in "the seattle times" fshlgs a man who challenged himself to eat only potatoes for 60 days is ending his bizarre diet. he lost 17 pounds in the process. >> i love potatoes. chefs, new york city chefs wake up to the fact that some of us still like baked potatoes. >> sweet potatoes are in, too. >> go out and try to find a good baked potato.
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chefs are too good to stick it in the oven and take it out. there are a lot of steakhouses that -- >> they don't do them before 4:00, believe me. >> it's insulting. >> good lord. "wall street journal," pajama party for congressional freshmen. i sure as hell hope not. 15% say they plan to routinely sleep and live in their congressional offices. >> guess what? >> you did that. >> for a couple years. >> save money. i didn't have money -- the thing is i worked literally from 7:00 in the morning until about 10:00 orr 11:00 at night. i wasn't going to spend money on an apartment in virginia when i was leaving there at midnight and coming back at 6:00. >> i did a story on him when he did it, mark sanford. >> insert joke there. >> since you brought it up. "the new york times" did a fascinating story about sanford
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which said that he's leaving with higher approval ratings, he kept his head down, he went back to work, said he screwed up and he weathered the storm and he's going to leave with his name intact there. chief white house correspondent from mitt co-mr. mike allen. >> how is the snoz healing? are you all right? >> i found a "morning joe" viewer on the u.s. air shuttle, we were walking off, nice old man with a cane, i was carrying his bag, he looked at me and smiled, shook his head and said rifle scope national television. >> that's a painful thing. >> hang in there, mike allen. let's talk about the chairmanship of the democratic senatorial campaign committee, something politico is suggesting could perhaps be the worst job
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in washington. who is in line to get it? >> i guess there's a lot of candidates for worst job in washington. no question one of them is to be chairman of the senate democratic campaign committee going into 2012 when they almost certainly are going to lose their majority. so many vulnerable democrats up, very few vulnerable republicans. someone is trying to mitigate the damage. they couldn't get anyone to take it. they tried to get senator mike udall of colorado. they tried to get senator mike warner to take it. senator pat murray just re-elected, hirs prize -- her thank you forgetting re-elected is she gets this job which she did back in 2002 t. white house senate democratic leadership are very enthusiastic about the idea of her taking it. she's a strong money razor in an important part of the country for democrats. this moves her up in the senate democratic leadership.
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after harry reid, you have chuck schumer of new york, durbin of illinois and patty murray. a good deal for her in that way, too. >> congratulations on winning that tight race, you get the worst job in washington. mike, thanks so much. we'll talk to you later in the show. >> you can tell how things are going to shake down. we can go back and pull clips of people around this table saying in 2008 after the election, that republicans were going to get slaughtered because the map favored them in 20 -- favored democrats in 2010. it can change. >> i do not agree with that assessment at all. first of all, it's too early to tell. second, the coattails of a presidential election brings out a whole different set of voters. >> we've been saying it for two years. off-year voters -- i can't believe some of the news analysts who have written stories on this who haven't factored it in. we've been saying for two years at this table that in midterm
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election voters are older and whiter. guess what? in president elections. >> very different. >> more african-americans, more democratic voters coming out. so it could go all the way back to where it was in '08. sworn in today, taking over the senate seat once held by president obama. republican senator elect mark kirk will join us right here on "morning joe." plus, the only reason to watch the titans-texans game yesterday. did you see scene. tell you what happened and get reaction to it. >> i'll ask you if the titans are the dirtiest football team in sports. we're able to tailor a plan using a full suite... of sophisticated investment strategies and solutions. so whatever's around the corner can be faced with confidence. ♪
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[ male announcer ] with xerox, you're ready for real business. all right. 32 past the hour. pretty shot at the capitol in washington, d.c. the sun coming up. welcome back to "morning joe." a little bit of news and then we'll get to sports. south korea's president says he feels, quote, deeply responsible for failing to protect his people from a deadly north korean artillery attack. in a speech today he also warned the north that it will face consequences for any future aggression. his comments come as south korea's military announced it will conduct new drills including live fire exercises after it held joint exercises with the united states over the
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weekend. it doesn't appear to satisfy some u.s. senators. >> i think china calling for a resuming of the six-party talks is important. typically we've been wanting six-party talks and china has not been as enthusiastic. so i think that's a good sign. we need to continue the exercises. we need to take a very strong stand. this is brazen, and it's belligerent and something i believe that all of those six countries -- all the people in the six-party talks need to get to work on. >> all right. as congress prepares to tackle the question of extending the bush era tax cuts, some of the world's richest men are weighing in. in an interview with abc, a roundtable of billionaires including warren buffett said the rich should be paying more taxes. >> i did this little survey in my office a few years ago. there were 16 people who responded. i had the lowest tax rate of the 16. i didn't have any tax shelters, no tax planner.
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it was all courtesy of the u.s. congress. they did my tax planning for me. >> their rationale is by giving you a tax break, so to speak, which is what it amounts to, you help all the others, that it trickles down. >> the only thing i can say, it hasn't trickled. as i said, a rising tide has lifted all yachts. but the row boats have been left behind. >> that's ridiculous. these billionaires pay 14% taxes. go to somebody making $250,000 with a family of five in new york city, that is one of the stupidest interviews i've ever seen in my life. >> he's saying he should be paying more taxes and he should. >> guess what? if they raise taxes on people making $250,000 in new york city, guess what? he's still going to be paying 14% taxes. guess what? gates will still be paying 14% taxes. guess what? their tax rate right now is double of what they're paying in taxes. it's very easy for him to say
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raise taxes on a small business in new york city or san francisco or washington, d.c. that's making $250,000 when it's not going to affect him anyway. i think it's very telling that a guy who has billions and billions of dollars is a lifelong democrat and has no problems with middle class people having their taxes raised or having upper middle class people with their taxes raised. it doesn't cost him anything. it won't cost gates anything. you want to talk about a limb scene living, i don't mean to get into that, that is one of the stupidest setups i've ever seen. will warren be paying 39% if they raise taxes like the family of five in new york city? >> no, he won't be. >> he'll be paying 14%. so he just needs to be quiet. >> why is the convoluted tax code and congressional incompetence, raise the line to $1 million. that way they cover the small business and anything like that. anybody making over $1 million -- >> it would change the argument. >> i've got to say, though, one
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of the things that offends me, and charles i'll go to you. i have nothing against buffett. buffett and gates. it never costs these rich guys when you raise taxes. i campaigned through four campaigns and all the rich guy that is gave me money never once did they ask me for a tax cut. i could never figure it out till i realized, they got all the accountants and lawyers they need. there's always the people making $250,000, small businesses asking for tax cuts. those guys wanted regulatory breaks. it's easy for billionaires to say raise taxes on a family of five making $250,000. >> first, you've got to raise it on what you make above 250. the first 250 you still get the lower rate, number one. number two, that's not the middle class. i hate when people keep talking about 250 as if that's the middle class in america. that's not. if you look at the quinn tiles, the middle class makes $55,000,
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$60,000 a year. that's the middle class in america. you really, by having the limit up to 250, you've already included -- you're getting up to the top quinn tile of earners anyway. in a way it is a silly debate. that above-250 tax that you're adding really is for the wealthiest, the wealthiest segment of america. >> do you define somebody making, a family of five in new york making 250,000 as rich? >> there are different zip codes. there are different -- >> is that rich? >> you have to look at america. the tax code is a national tax code. you're going to have to say america at large, you're well above the middle class when you are making 250. that's just the way it is in the country. >> we've got to get to sports. there was people fighting in the field. >> a couple good ones in the nfl.
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houston, ugly scene between texans and titans. fourth quarter, frustrations bowling over. andre johnson known as a mild guy. the tie ans quarterback, finnegan got under his skin, helmets come off. a couple hey makers from andre johnson. >> look at him clapping. >> players separated, both ejected from the game. this is not the first time these two guys fought. last season johnson was find $7,000 for fighting with finnegan after a play. it wasn't as bad as this. >> so finnegan does this all the time. >> look at him clapping. >> he did it on purpose. >> happened twice this year. he was warned after the second one by the nfl, serious discipline if he did it again, tearing helmets off. he did it yesterday. we'll see what happens. in the postgame interview, johnson, the wide receiver, number 80 apologized for the incident and described what happened. >> frustrated with what was
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going on during the game. he kept doing little things, and i told him just because you're frustrated, you need to stop what you're doing. i guess he thought it was funny. >> texans won the game. no word yet from the nfl on disciplinary action. >> should they suspend finnegan? >> absolutely. >> shouldn't they tell fisher, he better take control of his team or the texans are going to pay -- not the texans, the titans are going to pay a fine. >> you ask around the league, every player would say they're the dirtiest team. it had with broncos. quarterback kyle orton said they're cheap and dirty. after yesterday's game, some of the texans player these guys hit people after the whistle, they pile on. >> the dirtiest team in football. where is goodall? all the helmet-to-helmet hits that go on?
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does he want somebody to die before he does thing? >> the irony is jeff fish ser one of the two or three most respected coaches in the nfl. >> he has to get control of his team. this is incredible. andre johnson, not the only johnson having a tough day. bills have a chance to upset the steelers. this would have won the game in overtime. poor guy. steve johnson. >> you feel terrible. wide open. the ball goes right through his hands. would have been the game-winner. he dropped it. the steelers turn around and kick the game-winning field goal. >> the bills had a great comeback in regulation. >> this guy feels terrible. he took to twitter after the game and blamed god. >> what? >> here is what he said. i prads you got 24/7 and this is how you do me. you expect me to learn from this? how? i'll never forget this ever. thanks, though. >> wait a second. this guy can't keep his arms
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together and he's plaguing jesus. >> god. >> i don't think see sus dropped the ball. >> gd should have let that one in. >> are you sure he was tweeting god? >> he was devastated after the game. here is what he said. >> to go through that whole game knowing you got a big team like the pittsburgh sleelers and you got this kid coming up in the nfl making plays and all of the sudden when the biggest play needs to be made, you don't make it, you know. you feel bad. devastated right now. me, i'll never get over it. i'll never get over it, ever. >> blaming jesus and talking in third person. >> what's next, willie? >> more on wikileaks. hey, guys. printer's out of ink. just shake it. [ rattling ]
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white house as the sun comes up. mike barnicle and charles blow are with us. now from washington the host of msnbc's "andrea mitchell reports," andrea mitchell joining the table this morning. good morning. >> good morning. >> we've got a few secrets for you. >> yeah. what do you think the biggest one is. there are so many different cables that have been released, some incredibly embarrassing. which one at this point stands out as having the biggest national security impact? >> i think in terms of national security, the biggest impact is iran and the revelation that you have the leaders of the gulf states led by saudi arabia's king abdullah arguing and pressuring the united states to go after iran's nuclear programs, potentially nuclear weapons. this tells you so much -- it's known within diplomatic circles, you probably picked it up that other leaders in bahrain and
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elsewhere are more concerned about iran's nuclear weapons and concerned about israel. the fact they were arguing the take iran's nuclear program out to go to war, communicates something to their opponents within their regime. it could be destabilizing. this comes at the time when king abdullah, the aging king is in new york for surgery as what we are told is successful back surgery in new york. the fact he left the kingdom, he announced it, highly unusual. there were already concerns about the stability of the regime and succession with the elderly members of the royal family. now you have this potentially very, very troubling. on opinion of that already reaction at the united nations and elsewhere, the fact that hillary clinton and before her condoleezza rice both ordered our diplomats to do low-level spying on their counterparts at the un and elsewhere, that's a line that is not officially crossed. it could put our diplomats in jeopardy because there's always
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been diplomatic immunity and that gives them legal protection. >> it is devastating for these leaders in states that we call moderate arab states, the irony is that those are states whose populations are the most anti american. so they are constantly sitting on top of a terrible situation that could lead to possible islamic revolution. this is a terrible step in that direction. also, the portrait of karzai, devastating. >> we sort of knew that. we knew a lot about what they really think about karzai. remember ambassador eikenberry's communique and some of the other things they've been trying to -- soft-medal that leaked out in the past. the conflicts with richard holbrooke. the fact that somebody in the official government left kabul for the uae with $52 million in cash, obviously part of this
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corruption. how do you get $52 million in cash transported? it boggles the mind, the level of corruption that has now been exposed. these are raw cables. this is the equivalent of court gossip, the kind of thing that ambassadors are supposed to put in cables, all unchecked and unverified. it exposes the administration and secretary clinton to a huge amount of embarrassment. >> andrea, the question mike brought up is i think the question of the day. how does a young private first class have access, not only to pentagon documents and war documents, but to state department documents? >> that's what they've been trying to figure out and shut down. in fact, that's what people have been tweeting me since we first started reporting on this yesterday and i haven't been able to respond to everyone because so many people are raising that same question that mike is raising. it's what i was also asking and
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apparently he was an expert hacker. we know that. for instance, you don't know the facts of that case. and whether or not he is the only person and whether it's all being pinned on him, he is the suspect. he's been accused and we know he's in custody. it does boggle the mind. the state department has already changed aspects of the computer system far beyond me for me to tell you exactly what they've done. they say they have done things to protect it. but this is going to lead, i am told, to an administration-wide review of those so-called reforms after 9/11 where every agency was supposed to share intelligence, stop stovepiping as they put it in the 9/11 commission. now there's going to be a great impetus on the part of the state presidentment and others to start keeping their cables private. >> andrea, good morning. the revelation about pakistan that we asked to go in and take out some of their -- not take
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out -- i don't want to use that term -- but talk about removing some of their nuclear fuel. how is that going to play internationally? >> that's going to create a lot of problems. it's already unstable. you saw what abdullah is reported to have said about zardari. i've been reporting on this. we've constantly been told we have double and triple keys, all sorts of security in place to make sure that pakistan's nuclear arsenal is secure despite the fragility of that regime, that government. this certainly belies that. >> andrea mitchell, thanks for coming in for us. be sure to watch "andrea much el reports" at 1:00 today on msnbc for the latest on this as well as the on going situation between north and south korea. coming up, former assistant secretary of state jamie rubin will be here. we'll be right back with more "morning joe." [ male announcer ] you are a business pro.
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a hospital in florida at the age of 84. started out mike barnicle tells me way back in the day as a romantic lead, hanson son of a gun. but made a career turn with "airplane" and "the naked gun." >> tell the captain we have to land as soon as we can. this woman has to be gotten to a hospital. >> a hospital, what is it? >> a big building with patients. that's not important right now. >> can you fly this plane and land it. >> surely you can't be serious? >> i am serious, and don't call me shirley. >> i don't want anymore trouble like you had last year on the south side. understand? that's my policy. >> yes, well when i see five weirdoes dressed in togas stabbing a guy in the middle of the park, i have shoot the bastard. that's my policy. >> that was a shakespeare in the park production of "julius
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cesar" you moron. >> we're going to miss that guy. >> funny, funny, funny man. lesley nielsen died yesterday at the age of 84. one more bizarre story, begins serious and gets fun. police commandos in rio yesterday, all-out assault into the slums to take down these huge drug traffickers, basically warfare in the streets. here is what they found in the biggest drug traffickers mansion. a huge mural of justin bieber. on his wall he has a mural of justin bieber. >> that's what drugs do to your mind. >> they found ten tons of marijuana and a justin bieber mural. i don't understand. okay. what's next?
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i think it's a very, very dangerous precedent. we live in a world where just a
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little bitty piece of information can be added to a network of information and really open up an understanding that just wasn't there before. so it continues to be extremely dangerous, and i would hope that those that are responsible for us would at some point in time think about the responsibility they have for lives that they're exposing and the potential that's there and stop leaking this information. >> top of the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." mike barnicle is still with us. joining the table, former assistant secretary of state during the clinton administration and now adjunct professor at columbia university school of public affairs, jim many rubin joins the conversation. good to have you. >> jamie, good to have you. a lot of people concerned about what's happened. this came from people voicing
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anti-war discontent to moving over. you called it a cyber attack on united states of america. >> i think in a sense it's gone from a time when an anti-war organization has argued for a change in policy on afghanistan and iraq to what should fairly be called a cyber attack on the united states in general. the cables released affect every aspect of our foreign affairs. it's an attack on the united states because, let's face it, the state department in the end has only one thing different than others in the u.s. government, it has relationships between the u.s. ambassador, the secretary of state and foreign leaders. if those relationships are destroyed, the basic functioning of the state department, whether you like this policy, don't like that one, it can't operate if other governments don't trust that they can tell us something
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without reading about it in "the new york times." >> this certainly puts our state department in a terrible, terrible position. take us through the news and then we'll talk a little bit more. >> the white house is trying to limit the damage from the latest massive release of week i can leaks documents and cables. some of america's most confidential communications are found in a more than a quarter million diplomatic cables. 24,000 are marked secret or too sensitive to share with a foreign government. none are marked top secret. among the revelations are that saudi arabia's king abdullah urged the u.s. to attack and destroy iran's nuclear program to cut off the head of the snake. bahrain's king argued for taking action on iran saying that program must be stopped. another document reveals a secrete u.s. effort to get pakistan to hand over enriched uranium from one of the nuclear reactors. last may a u.s. ambassador wrote home saying the effort failed because pakistani officials feared local media would, quote, portray it as the united states
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taking pakistan's nuclear weapons. one cable involves attempts by the u.s. and yemen to cover up american involvement in missile strikes against am kai da targets. in a january meeting, yemen's president told general david petraeus, quote, we'll continue saying the bombs are ours, not yours, admitting he had just lied to his own pargment. the document leak also reveals back room bargaining to empty guantanamo bay. slo venn yeah was told to take a prisoner if it wanted to meet president obama. while an island nation was offered incentives worth millions to take in chinese muslim detainees. the americans admitted that accepting more prisoners would be a low-cost way for belgium to attain prominence in europe. >> mike, this is terribly embarrassing, but when you go from embarrassing to deadly serious, look at the moderate
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arab leaders who are allied with the united states, despite the fact that anti american sentiment is strong in their country. saying what we've known for some time, they see iran as a bigger threat thar israel right now. the impact on their standing and their country could be great. >> i'd like to ask jamie about that. clearly from reading the cables, the lengths that some of the more moderate arab leaders go to to play ball with us while keeping the public in their countries blind to that reality, that's a very interesting dynamic. >> i think if there's one area where the leaking of these cables could have a salutory effect on the world, it's the distinction in arab countries between these what leaders do and what hey say to their people. there's always been a difrnlgs,
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a huge difference. you see in these cables as you just mentioned examples where their leaders are happy to be very, very pro american and private, work hand in glove with the u.s. on bombings in yemen or strategies for containing iran, its nuclear program. they're happy to work hand in hand. they don't want to get their picture taken with the united states essentially. they don't want their people to know that the u.s. is their ally. so you come up with these fiction that is you have to operate under. certainly i think those who have believed that the arab world would be better off if there were -- if fiction was removed would say this leaking has done the world a service. but i don't think we can forget that those arab leaders are the ones we need to agree to kill al qaeda operatives on their territory. if they fear that working with us, talking to us, share
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information is was is going to be in "the new york times," they do it less. those al qaeda operatives may live longer and be better able to conduct and operation. so there are real dangers here an i don't think anyone has really faced up to it. >> i think this is a big danger and you touch on it exactly. you look over the past five years, when we're trying to get people out of gitmo. when we were trying to take care of some of these terror suspects, there were other countries that stuck their neck out on the line. and we had black sites across eastern europe and other areas. and then the identity of these countries were splashed all over the front pages of "the washington post." >> they didn't want to do it anymore. >> dana priest won a pulitzer prize, and i hope she and "the washington post" enjoyed that pulitzer prize. but they exposed allies who
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stuck their neck out for us. message sent to the allies, we can't do that again because "the washington post" will expose us and cause us serious problems at home. the same thing has happened whether you talk about with arab states in the middle east or pakistan, that's the big takeaway from this. foreign leaders understand that when they deal with the united states of america -- >> it can be on the front page. >> it's going to be on the front page of "the new york times." >> i think they can fix this. i think we have to try to put this in perspective. there have been leaks over the years. credibility has recovered. it's going to take a long time before a foreign leader and one of those mentioned in this set of documents is going to want to sit down with a note taker and have a candid conversation with the united states. that's bad for this country. that's why i say it's really just an attack on the united states' ability to operate. >> it is. by the way, barack obama is trying to find countries that will take some of the terror
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suspects out of gitmo. that's not going to happen. >> you say this can be fixed. that's going to be a tough one as well as some of the embarrassing cables in terms of the names that were being used for world leaders. they may involve the u.s. state department as well that reportedly show secretary of state hillary clinton and condoleezza rice before ordered intelligence services to gather private information. also included candid comments about world leaders. karzai is described as being driven by paranoia. vladimir putin is seen as an alpha dog. nicholas sarkozy, am emperor without clothes. and angela tch teflon" merkel. press secretary robert gibbs criticized the release saying president obama supports responsibility, accountable and open government at home and around the world. but this reckless and dangerous action runs counter to that goal. we condemn in the strongest
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terms the unauthorized disclosure of classified documents and sensitive national security information. >> willie, we were talking before about how we are now in a generation of people that don't think as much about this sort of information traveling. it's not the pentagon papers, not 1971. but a tweet from the co-founder of wikipedia, speaking as wikipedia's co-founder, i consider you in talking about wikileaks, enemies of the united states, not just of the government but of the people. jamie obviously talked about this being an attack on the united states. i do think we need to step back, and i include myself in this, and understand the ramifications of this, that, yes, we live in an age where information flows across the globe. our government has to figure out how to put up fire walls. >> we've talked about
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transparency, people want more transparency in government. but there is a line. >> not here. >> when you go up to classified or top secret information. jamie, i'm curious, as someone who worked in the state department, we hear lynn was working the phones all weekend. what do you think was her most important phone call as she tried to preempt some of this information? what was perhaps the relationship she was most concerned about damaging? >> my guess is the worst i've seen so far, i've read about 15 or 16 of the cables, is probably the king of saudi arabia. because in that country, personal relationships are very, very important to policy making. and overtime america's relationship where the king of saudi arabia has affected not just oil prices and oil access, but the views of all the gulf states, generally led by the king of saudi arabia. i would say of the examples of
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leaked information that's been embarrassing, i think probably calling him up and saying something to the effect that we're sorry, a mistake was made. we're not going to let that happen again. we'll have to have new procedures so when you and i talk we can have confidence that the information is not going to be printed in the newspapers. >> how do we do that, mike? again, i keep going back to 2005, 2006 when "the washington post" exposed these countries who at great risk decided to help us out with some of the terror suspects. how do we convince leaders you can trust us? >> i don't think you can. i don't think you can. when you have a 22-year-old private first class in the united states army, bradley manning -- private first class. >> 22-year-old. >> 22 years of age, responsible allegedly forgiving all this stuff to wikileaks. what is privileged information
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anymore? does it mean anything? >> i don't think it does. >> one of the most disturbing things in the leakage yesterday, at least for me, was the acknowledgment that the vice president of afghanistan on a trip to the united arab emirates transported with him $52 million in cash. i don't think that was overtime pay for being vice president of afghanistan. $52 million in cash. from a country where we have young men and women on the ground fighting and dieing, supposedly in order to have an effective government in afghanistan that relates to the people. >> with a war that we spent $2 billion on every week. >> in fairness, that is an example of what the leakers hope to achieve. they wanted the united states to debate the wisdom of the war in afghanistan by revealing embarrassing details of realities in afghanistan.
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and so i think, if there is a silver lining, it's probably too early to start talking about it, but if there is one, it's that good journalism in america has revealed the bulk of these stories. we knew that the arab states wanted to attack iran. we knew that yemen was saying one thing publicly and doing something else publicly. >> and karzai's corruption. >> we knew there was corruption with the afghan government. the details are sexy, interesting, fun to splash across the newspapers and put on the tv. the essential story of should we be maintaining military forces in afghanistan despite the heavy corruption of the government there is a story we've been debating for a long time and will continue to debate. >> jamie rubin, thank you very much. up next, what damage control is the white house doing over the wikileaks dump? we'll check in with nbc's chuck todd. a look at life in the trenches
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19 past the hour. look at the white house looking pretty. joining us from the white house, nbc news chief white house kres spon denlt and political director and co-host of "the daily rundown," chuck todd. good morning. >> good morning. >> we've got a lake duck congress coming in. what does the president want to accomplish. >> between that on tuesday. on wednesday the debt commission. today, of course, will be a ton of reaction having to do with the latest wikileaks episode, plus the issue with korea.
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it's a pretty expansive and busy week here. as far as the lame duck session, it seems to be two goals from the white house's concern, number one is to come up with some sort of reasonable victory out of the tax cut fight. this is going to get to how the white house defines victory. second is to get the s.t.a.r.t. treaty done. >> the s.t.a.r.t. treaty which was a big topic of discussion on "meet the press" yesterday. what are the republicans saying? >> did you listen to jon kyle carefully yesterday? >> yes. >> i've heard this from other republicans privately, that some of this may be gamesmanship. they want harry reid to not do immigration, not force the dream act on this. not try to force other issues. if he just made the lame kuck, this is what some republicans tell me -- taxes and s.t.a.r.t.,
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maybe he wouldn't have this threat from kyle that he's facing. >> what's the president's attitude going into negotiations this week with republican members of congress? on one hand it seems like you heard the president after the election saying we get it, we understand what's going on. but if you watch his interview with barbara walters, he seems pretty defiant, defending everything he did over the past two years and saying, hey, i'm stale pretty popular guy. >> reporter: well, if you compare popularity to everybody else in washington, you can have that. of course, everybody is sinking right now in washington. i wouldn't know -- if i were the president, i wouldn't be sitting there hanging my hat on that. that said, i think you will see a more defiant president. as much as some are wondering where is he going to compromise? i think he feels as if he's already compromising, for instance, on tax cuts by saying, hey, i'm open to some temporary extension on the wealthy ones,
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but let's make the middle class ones permanent. so i think there is sort of this -- i think there's more of him that wants to be more defiant and draw some bright lines between he and the republicans rather than feed the media narrative here, which there seems to be a lot of people saying, hey, admit you were wrong, admit this or that. i don't think they're there yet. >> mike barnicle. >> chuck, does the president have a decent relationship with any republican in the house and/or the senate? if he does, why have they not made more use of it? >> reporter: i think that's a great question. i think when the history of this presidency is written, the first six months and the inability to build coalitions of republican supporters outside of the leadership, not -- i know they can say they made they did reach across the aisle, two members of republican leadership, but didn't create their own
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coalition or figure out how to build on the president's personal relationship, for instance, with come coburn, richard lugar, a couple other republicans that he does have good personal relations with, why that wasn't used as a basis to build an obama coalition inside the senate of more than two or three republicans closer to him on ideology, but a guy he could cut deals with. look, you can't work with the leadership. that's where there was naivete on both sides. elective leadership, when you're in minority leadership, their sole job is to get back in the majority. >> mike barnicle, remember george w. bush remembered as a part san president, he spent 2001 enraging republicans. i can tell you because i was still in the house then. we always bit early complained he would meet with democrats, but never met with enough
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republicans. he courted teddy kennedy for the first year. you don't have that example here. of course, 9/11 came and changed everything. chuck, before we leave, quick question. neither you nor i want to talk college football. >> no, we don't. >> i've got to get your impression on randy shannon being fired. the guys on espn thought miami jumped too quickly, they should have given him more time. >> reporter: they were at the end of four years. in college football, if you're not getting it done in the first four or five years, it's hard to make the case you need one more year, just one more year. i think what people don't understand about miami's athletic program versus most other major college football programs is that it really does fund everything. and they are competing for the entertainment dollar with a whole bunch of other stuff in miami. don't go to tuscaloosa, you know there's only one game in town there. that's not the case in miami. if miami is not competing for
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national titles in the top ten, they're not going to draw and they're not going to get money. they need that bcs money to fund the athletic program. so wins matter. >> boy, i tell you what, speaking of tuscaloosa, i still don't know how alabama who does have -- and i think most people will say this, and the cbs guys were saying -- they've got the best squad top to bottom in america. how does the best football team in america blow a 24-point lead the way alabama did this weekend? i'm sorry. you know what? you've got to lay that on nobody but the coaches. that was pathetic. i don't know how you do it. they had extraordinary talent this year. i'm not blaming anybody specifically in tuscaloosa, i'm just saying my puppy dog would not have blown a 24-point lead with the best football team in america. >> i can promise you this, we don't want sab bin in miami. >> we can't to keep sabin in
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mike floor yeah, founder of good to see you. >> great to be here again. >> walk us through this cortland finnegan thing. the league has to do something big here. >> they have a history. court land finnegan has a reputation forgetting under guy's skins. johnson is usually pretty level-headed w. we saw richard seymour last week punched ben roethlisberger with an open hand and only got find $25,000. >> why? >> i don't know. this year the nfl is handing out huge fines for stuff that happens before the whistle. after the whistle it's an assault. it's not part of the game of football. >> this was deliberate. you can tell this was deliberate. the second he got one of the best receivers in football out of his game, finnegan is clapping his hands, cheering the the crowd. this guy should be suspended for a month. >> he's got a history. i think of the two, the one
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that's more likely to be suspended will be finnegan. >> for a league that's worried about how high players' socks are, you've got to do something major. this is terrible. >> especially if we're talking about protecting players from blows to the head, unnecessary blows to the head. finnegan took a few and johnson may have gotten one. andre johnson i think 10-8 won that round. how about the hard luck bills? overtime. steelers on the ropes. this poor kid johnson drops the pass here that would have won the game. >> goes from three touchdown receptions last week to five drops yesterday. this sun believable. this is a catch at any level of the sport except maybe peewee. the player catches that football. think about how the bills have played lately. they pushed the ravens to overtime, pushed the chiefs to over times, barely lost to the bears, steelers to overtime. the bills are playing teams close but can't get it done. >> of course, he blamed jesus
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for dropping the ball. >> he said, quote, you do me like this. and this is how you do me? let's jump over to the nfc is michael vick taking on the bears. vick had a good game. >> tough to win in soldier field. the bears keep winning, 8-3, in first place. a jumble of teams in the nfc that are jockeying for five play-off berths beyond the one that goes to the winner at nfc west which doesn't have a team at .500 much less over .50. >> how about nfc south, the team i've suffered with for decades, the atlanta falcons. >> 9-2 now. >> what's happened? this steve bar cow ski kid. >> they keep winning. if they keep winning at home they'll force the road to dallas. >> did anybody see this coming? i never saw this coming. >> they made to it the play-offs in '08. it was the first time ever
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they've had back-to-back winning records even though they didn't make it to the play-offs last year. they still have to hold off the saints. they each other again coming up. >> little known fact and joey and i talk about this pathetic team established in 1966 never had back-to-back winning seasons until last year. >> matt ryan is great. >> giants beat the jags yesterday. >> they were at risk of really falling behind, but now they're right back there tied for first. >> booed the first half. >> every time we put the audio on for that game, there was booing. >> chris, what are you booing the giants for yesterday? >> i did not boo. >> they deserved it during the first half. >> just making it clear. >> could somewhere a jets and giants super bowl? >> it's possible. >> not the giants. >> no, not the giants. >> really? >> something wrong there.
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>> i love tom coughlin. a great guy. something happened in the second half with that team. >> injuries have been a problem this year. if they can get healthy and they can peak again like they did in october, they can be dangerous. >> willie, the game of the year next week, the jets and new england. who do you think wins? >> a monday nighter in new england, i think new england. >> mike? >> we're all going, right? >> sure. >> who do you think? >> the patriots. >> i hope the jets win. >> i think the jets are going to win. i think the jets are going to surprise them. >> mike florio, thanks so much. >> again, willie, into thought the best team in america with a 24-point lead wouldn't blow that lead. obviously i didn't expect them to start running the ball up the middle when they were passing at will in the first half. >> i thought you would be happier after the boise state game. you know, you don't go into reno on a friday night. >> tomorrow morning, the "sports illustrated" sports man of the
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year unveiled. >> not alabama's offensive coordinator. peter king of new york is calling for wikileaks to be labeled a terrorist organization. congressman king next. there's a big idea happening in medicare that saves you hundreds of dollars a year. it's called the new humana walmart-preferred prescription plan. ♪ it's a breakthrough in medicare prescription drug plans. hey buddy! hey grandpa! with monthly plan premiums less than $15
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welcome back to "morning joe." 39 past the hour. with us now republican congressman peter king of new york. he serves on the house committee on intelligence and homeland security. good day, good to have you in. >> peter, how does a private first class get access to all these documents, state department documents? that seems like the federal government has really let america down and its allies? >> they really have. to have some pfc to be able to bring about the worst diplomatic catastrophe in american history is -- again, they have to resolve that, have to straighten it out. again, it's unimaginable how
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this can happen. you and i have been in congress. i'm on the intelligence committee and homeland security company committee. i hand over my cell phone, go in behind two locked doors. >> i was going to say. i never had access to this. you are chairman again, you never had access, yet a private first class does. >> if i take notes, they're taken from me and put in a safe behind two locked doors. this is incomprehensible. >> you're calling for fairly dramatic action here. you would like wikileaks to be designated as a foreign terrorist organization. what would that mean? >> first of all, the benefit of that is we would be able to seize their assets and be able to stop anyone from helping them in any way, whether it's making cricks, giving free legal advice or whatever. it would also i believe strengthen the secretary of state's hands in dealing with foreign nations as far as trying to get them expedited, trying to take action against them. either we're serious or not. i analogize the rico statute where they have a narrow
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definition of criminal enterprise in the beginning. but now expanded to deal with contemporary problems. if we're going to live in this technological world where information can be disseminated so quickly, we have to be serious and take action against those taking americans lives at risk. >> i want to get back to private first class bradley manning. all the talk is the content of what was leaked today. how do we prevent going forward a private first class or anybody like that from walking out of secured facilities with all this information. >> they don't have to walk out anymore. they just can e-mail it. >> press a button. >> i don't know. what i'm saying is the administration has to -- >> who does know? >> between the director of national intelligence, the head of the cia, fbi, justice department, homeland security all have to come together. >> you can hold hearings on this. >> oh, we will. i intend to have full hearings
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on this. the answer will have to come from the people in charge. that is the heads of the intelligence community. this cannot be allowed to go on. >> should we not focus, should you not focus first on figuring out how we failed. i understand what you're saying about wikileaks. i think it may be overstepping a good deal. that being said, isn't your first task to call government agencies and the white house leaders in front of your committee and say how did this happen, how do we stop it from happening again? this obviously happened under bush as well. >> we have to walk and chew gum at the same time. we have to go after those who are doing it now as detarrant. both have to be done. i agree completely. somewhere to do both simultaneously. >> you can't designate them a terror outfit. >> i don't think we should write it off that quickly and say we can't do it. they are assisting in terrorist activity. the information they are giving them is being used by al qaeda. >> i don't think else berry was
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the folk hero poem made him out to be. >> was he a terrorist? >> no. first of all, in those days -- this is a one-shot deal, no other terrorist organizations. talking about a countries like north vietnam and china. now we're talking about terrorist groups all over the world. especially what this will do to us in yemen, pakistan, saudi arabia where american lives are on the line. the ellsberg papers didn't disclose any sources. what you have now they'll be going through with a magnifying class. something that seems innocuous, they'll be able to trace that back and find out who gave them to us? was eight source in their government? >> let's talk about one of the issues that came up. mike, you were talking about $53 million -- >> $52 million. the vice president in afghanistan goes to the united arab emirates and takes a suitcase with $52 million in cash, his money, transports it, that's in effect i think our
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money in afghanistan. we have young men and women dieing in afghanistan today, supposedly to create a government that can relate to the people of afghanistan and govern effectively. what does this say about our role in afghanistan how much are people stealing from us in addition to the lives they're stealing from us? >> this is not a jeffersonian democracy. there's corruption, money being stolen. what i'm trying to find in afghanistan is a reasonably stable government. >> it's not there. >> it may be there. >> joe, i'm not that certain. i have been there. there are people in the ground who believe there are people in the government we can work with. >> is karzai one of those people? >> some say he is. >> i say he's not. he needs to take his pills. >> i'm not here to defend karzai. i'm saying there are people on the ground who believe we can work with him. he's the one there now, and he's better than taliban and better than al qaeda. >> we're jammed and we
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appreciate you coming in. by the way, we've been friends for years. >> alabama lost and notre dame won in the final 49 seconds. >> this guaiac cuesed me of coming out of a tent revival barefooted back in 1995. >> mike, what do you think? >> he once told me the first time you bought shoes is when you came to new york. >> that being said, come back. we want to talk a lot longer. we appreciate you coming in. >> i think there will be more to talk about for quite some time. congressman king. oh, my lord, already made the oscar short list, sebastian junger and tim health ring ton talk about their documentary next. '4 sglfrnlthssglfrnlths find a lower price at another store, and we'll match it. that was easy.
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for coming on the show this morning. >> thank you. >> this book had a great impact on us and the way we looked at afghanistan. we're obviously not alone. you're receiving a lot of awards, a lot of movie awards. it's on the short list. >> it is. we won the sundance film festival last january which we're really first-time film makers. and that was incredibly exciting. so we're waiting the see where this goes. >> set the scene for what people will see tonight when they tune in. you put 173rd airborne and you have to sort of get to know them, win their trust, work with them, see how they live and endure what they endure. they weren't that taken over by you. they were more impressed not because you were a best-selling author but because, what? you owned a bar. that was your connection. >> when they found that out, they started talking to us. pretty much.
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>> i think we kind of spent a huge amount of time with them. they tried to get us to that. essentially we went in there and spent all the time we could with them and they realized weed go to the furthest extremes with them. >> and you guys did and your goal was to stay out of the way. right? >> yes. out of the way and to capture as much as we could on film and to make a film that kind of immerses the viewer in a completely experienceal experience. >> sebastian, your greatest fear was not getting anybody killed. you said you had to make sure you were the last guy in line. >> you're not trained as a soldier, god forbid you fall out on a patrol or do something stupid and someone has to pick up the slack and someone gets hit. they were in 400 firefighters during their deployment. it was a very dangerous place. 25% of all of the combat in afghanistan was happening there. which is only six miles long.
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>> known as the deadliest place on earth. >> yeah, our first day we were attacked four times. restrepo wasn't a big base. it was all men out there among the american soldiers. 15 men at an outpost on a ridgetop with no running water, no communication with the outside world. it was bottled water, mres and sandbags and that was it. they were out there for a year. it was incredibly hard on them. >> tim, you broke your leg along the way here? >> yeah, i did. there is a sequence in the filled called "rock avalanche" which is a combination of a company wide operation. i broke my leg during that. it was also during that operation the recipient of the medal of the honor won the award. he was given the award for actions during that operation. >> by the way, that was such an incredible moment in your book. they talked about how he reacted. and of course we sit here and say, well, gee, what a great hero. he was an extraordinary hero but
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reading your book and having him talk to you, he said i just did what i was supposed to do. you talked about the training. that leads men to do things like this where they aren't even conscious about the second-by-second decisions they make. >> yeah. i mean your safety lies in group safety and that means that everyone has to think in group terms. if you just curl up behind a tree stump when you're getting shot at, if everyone does that, everyone dies. your safety relies in the fact that you're returning fire, you're maneuvers. these guys were ambushed at distance of 30 feet by 15 guys. they walked straight into a shating gallery and the american soldiers pea's response was so effective they killed more of the ambushers than they lost. incredible. >> from 30 feet. you talked about they just naturally made the formation they needed to make to make sure they didn't get cut down. and then this guy sees one of
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his buddies being taken off and what does he do? >> yeah. josh brennan was carried off. he had been shot eight times. he was badly wounded. it was at night on a steep ridge and the enemy are carrying him off wounded by alive. and sal sees them carrying off his friend josh. he runs forward. he gets his twice by machine gun fire and he keeps going forward and he kills the guys who are carrying off his friend. he drags him back to safety and protects him until the other guys get there. tragically, josh died in the medevac but that's the action that sal was given the medal of honor for. >> and did it without even thinking about himself. >> well, you train to react and he reacted. i think it's a wonderful opportunity for people in this country to see the war in afghanistan this evening at 9:00 in a way that we don't see it on news reels, on the evening news. this is a country where fewer than 1% of the people in this
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country are bearing this burden of the war in afghanistan. it occurs to me watching -- and the film is a unique marriage of the tension and noise that occurs in combat. its a's a unique opportunity for people to see these people perform. i'm wondering what goes through your mind, both of you, when you see 19, 20 year-olds in lower manhattan going back to nyu this week after the holiday weekend and the people in this film fighting and dying. 19, 20, 21. >> well, yeah. a lot of the guys that we were with were from a wide spectrum of american society. i was really surprised. they were all from america, all sorts of different backgrounds. some working class, some kind of really educated. and i just think i was really impressed my first time embedded with the u.s. forces. but i think the important thing to realize is that there are young men out there who are unwilling, who are bearing
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burden for this society. we need to underthem their nuances. the war's become extremely politiciz politicized. these guys are being used by the left and right as symbols. we do them a disservice without fully understanding their experience. understanding what motivates young men in war whether you're for or against the war, knowing how they are likely to respond to war is responsible for whatever strategy you think about. >> this film and the book that you did, sebastian, has won praise from both sides. we've very openly anti-escalation in afghanistan. we read the book. it is confirming our instincts that american troops need to come home and yet there are people on the right who want to stay there for another decade who read the book and are inspired by it. >> it is really interesting. tim and i wanted to make a movie and i wanted to write a book that was the basis of a conversation but didn't necessarily confirm people's political views or didn't take a side. and so i heard that my book is being taught in a course,
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university course on american imperialism. but on the other hand, it is also a book that many, many people in the military have been reading and recommending and soldiers are reading and giving to their wives and family. so like somehow -- here's the thing. if you just describe reality, everyone can meet in that common place and have an honest discussion. if you veer off into sort of any kind of ideology, you alienate the other side and there is no conversation. >> you did a great job. tim, same with you. i still don't know how -- when the -- >> thank you. >> -- the humvee you're driving in blows up -- >> okay. i'm going to film this. you're crazy, too! thank you so much. >> a world television premier, their award winning documentary, restrepo, tonight at 9:00 eastern on the national geographic channel. "restrepo" saw fire every day for 15 months.
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you'll see what life was like on the inside tonight at 9:00. coming up, senator mark kirk gets sworn in this afternoon but first he'll join us with deposits in your engine, it can feel like something's holding your car back.
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people across america who subscribe to cable ask for refunds when they turn on c-span and see the senate sit there, day after day, doing nothing lurching from filibuster to filibuster. come on, let's be reasonable, let's be constructive, let's be bipartisan. we can get these things done. let's roll up our sleeves and do
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it. >> dick durbin on "meet the press" yesterday, along with senator kyl. joining us from burlington, vermont -- i love burlington! it is beautiful this time of year. i love howard. former governor of vermont, and chairman of the democratic national committee, howard dean. >> oh, come on, guys. now we have to spread the love to the other side of the aisle, too. >> i guess so. joining us now from capitol hill, republican congressman from illinois and senator elect, mark kirk. congratulations. today representative kirk will trade in his congressional i.d. for a senate one. he gets sworn in as the new junior senator from illinois. congratulations to you. >> thank you, guys. >> boy, that was a long, rocky road. >> that was quite a journey. >> it was a tough, tough journey not only for mark but for a lot of people running. so let's -- >> but now we should get down to business. there is a lot going on. or do you want to talk football. >> do i want to talk football.
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>> the white house is trying to limit the damage from the latest wikileaks today. 24,000 cables are marked secret or too sensitive to share with a foreign government. none are mark top-secret but among the revelations are that saudi arabia's king abdullah urged the u.s. to attack and destroy iran's nuclear program to "cut off the head of the snake." bahrain's king also argued forcefully for taking action on iran saying that program must be stopped. mahmoud ahmadinejad this morning responded to that leak saying it would not hurt relations with his neighbors and calling the cables about his country's nuclear program "mischief." another document reveals a vet effort to get pakistan to reveal uranium.
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they feared the media would portray it as the u.s. taking pakistan's nuclear weapons. one cable involves attempts bit u.s. and yemen to cover up american involvement in missile strikes against al qaeda targets. in a january meeting yemen's president told general petreaus we'll continue saying the bombs are ours, not yours. admitting that he had just lied to his own parliament. the document leak also reveals back-room bargaining to empty guantanamo bay, slovenia was told to take a prisoner if it wanted to meet with president obama. while the island nation of kiribati was offered incentive worth millions of dollars to take in chinese muslim detainees. the americans meanwhile suggested that accepting war prisoners would be a low-cost way for belgium to attain prominence in europe. >> all right. was it luxembourg offered the
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mickey mantel 1957 baseball card? >> they wanted two. >> are you surprised? >> i'm not surprised by this. what i'm concerned about like jamie ruben and a lot of other people is that we're teaching our allies across the globe that it does not pay to do business with the united states of america. whether it was with what "the washington post" revealed about black sites in central and eastern europe or whether it is these wikileaks. we have a lot of allies that have taken big risks that now are embarrassed. mark kirk, obviously you've got a background in military intelligence. you understand this as much as anybody. the question we've been asking all morning -- i guess i need to start calling you senator now. i'm sorry. senator kirk -- few more hours. >> how the hell does a private 1st class get access to the top state department secrets, pentagon secrets, war secrets? how does that happen? >> i think as the media pointed out, he had access to what's called the sippernet.
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almost 1 million people do. they've been trying to push information out to sbat units and other commands in a broadway but did so without adequate protections. that's why i'm very interested in the announcement of secretary gates to further protect our secret data and make sure especially a massive download by one pfc couldn't happen again. >> you say that a million people have access to the information that this private had? >> it was "the new york times" that did a profile on the sippernet which pfc manning had access to. one of the questions i have is, while people can access individual messages related to their specific job, shouldn't this system have caught someone downloading 500,000 messages and asked him what are you doing? >> yes, yes. >> mark, who would be responsible for following that traffic? is that the state department? would it be the pentagon? where does the responsibility
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lie? >> secretary gates and the pentagon. >> okay. well i guess secretary gates and the pentagon are going to have a hell of a lot of questions to answer. that's a great point. >> it's also the chain of command before you get to secretary gates you get to some company commander who was in charge private 1st class bradley manning. right up the chain of command. >> howard dean, what do you think secretary gates should do, what should president obama do? how do we make sure this never happens? >> it's interesting, i was talking about this with my wife earlier this morning over breakfast. as a guy had ran for president, i can tell you that i'm not surprised at all at this. i'm shocked at what these put in these cables. i don't care how protected they are. there's nothing you can say that isn't going to end up potentially someplace on the front page of some paper, either in the next month or so or maybe in 15 or 20 or 30 years.
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so i think -- look. i agree we have to fine out why this happened and no private 1st class should have access to this information. i also think people ought to clean up their diplomatic cables. there was some smart-ass remarks with world leaders to make which are not necessary if you're in the diplomatic core. you and i wouldn't put that stuff in the e-mails if we had any brains. >> well, no, you probably wouldn't. let me ask you, howard, what do you think is going to happen this lame duck session that's getting started today? what do you hope happens? >> well, it would be nice to get some things done. i think the most important thing from a geopolitical point of view is get the s.t.a.r.t. treaty done. there's no reason not to do that. it is a strong signal to the russians that we're reliable when we negotiate first of all. secondly it puts our inspectors back in their nuclear plants,
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wi their nuclear weapons compounds. this is a big step forward and this needs to get done and they've got to put bipartisanship aside. why can't they just have a straight up and down vote with some honesty on this one? >> senator-elect kirk, you walk into the middle of a fight over the s.t.a.r.t. treaty. where do you come down? >> i come with an open mind. i've talked to secretary clinton and asked for a whole range of briefings this week. as a house member i had no role in this treaty. as a senate member, a potential vote so i'm getting up to speed quickly. but priority number one is the economy and making sure that we don't have a massive tax increase hit the u.s. economy december 31st. we need bipartisan action to prevent that damage and the threat of a double-dip recession. >> do you agree that it is important to extend unemployment benefits especially as we go into the holiday season? >> yes. as long as they are paid for. proposals that extend benefits but just add the bill to the deficit take us into the
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direction of greece and ireland that are now imploding as economies. we see overseas what happens when governments spend money they don't have. i think the lesson of the 2010 election is that we need it much more fiscally conservative policies to help protect the united states. >> do you extend that logic to the tax cuts? a lot of republicans want to extend the bush tax cuts. do those also need to be paid for? >> i do. i think that we should back the orszag plan, president obama's former chief of the budget said that they should be extended for two years because the worst thing that could happen is a double-dip recession in which millions more americans are thrown out of work. >> so your position then is -- and i actually like the orszag plan very much -- extend it for two years, but then end it for deficit reasons. >> well, i would probably like to extend it further. but then there is a question of what is the proper role of a lame duck congress? we have dozens of congressmen and senators who were defeated
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by the american people. i think we should make a very limited set of decisions and then let the new congress that has a freshman date from the american people take office and make the bigger decision. >> i just want to underline this one more time because i actually am heartened by it. you will support extending the tax cuts if those tax cuts are paid for. >> well, i want to make sure that we extend the tax cuts no matter what to prevent a double-dip recession because if we throw millions of americans out of work, one thing is, that's heartache and sorrow in their family. second is they're no longer taxpayers and we would see a drop in government revenue. i think the critical thing here is extending -- >> if they're not paid for -- i'll get to you in a second, howard -- if they're not paid for though, do we not risk going the way, as you said, of greece and ireland? >> that's why this congress has spent little to no action cutting any budget. we don't need a sugar program. we don't need a second engine
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for the f-35 aircraft. we don't need joint forces command. i am the first of 95 new republicans, fiscal conservatives, that will take office that will redirect this congress to spending reduction. >> and go after pentagon spending. that's good. howard? >> well, everything. >> see, what the senator said doesn't seem to be very conservative. he wants to give tax breaks to people who make a million dollars a year and then deny unemployment benefits to people who are just getting by? i don't get that. then not pay for the tax cuts? you got to pay for helping people who have lost their jobs but you don't have to pay for giving tax breaks to people who make a million dollars a year? there is nothing fiscally conservative about that. if you want to deal with the deficit, deal with the deficit. i'll support the idea of extending unemployment benefits and cutting something else to pay for it, but i'm damned if i'm going to support giving a tax cut to people making a million dollars a year and not paying for it. that's how we got into this trouble in the first place. >> mark, i want to clear this
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up. sounded like the first time you answered you did say you wanted those tax cuts to be paid for. >> no, i think we should make sure we don't have a double-dip recession and if we extend unemployment benefits which we will have broad bipartisan agreement, let's do it by cutting unused stimulus funds which was largely a waste of time and money to start with. >> howard, as we move forward into the new congress, what are your hopes as we talked about the deficit reduction, the deficit commission? you obviously were a fiscal conservative in many ways up in vermont. do you support some of the things that the deficit commission put forward last week? >> i do. actually, joe, if you look out to 2018, the cbo projects that 60% of the deficit in that year will be caused by the bush tax cuts which were never paid for eight years ago when they were put in -- or ten years ago when they were. put in. so we've got a real problem here. you've got the republicans who don't want to pay for any of the tax cuts but then they want to
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cut the day lights out of all the programs that average and middle-class people need and i think that's wrong. the thing i like about the deficit commission is that everybody has to drink from the same cup and eat from the same plate. everybody takes a hit and you're not going to get out of this by giving tax breaks to people to make a million dollars a year, then pay for it by cutting social security or medicare. social security, medicare, defense and taxes all have to be on the table simultaneously. anybody who says otherwise is not serious about the deficit. >> all right, senator-elect kirk, i still don't understand why the s.t.a.r.t. treaty has to be put off. i don't get it. but what do you think of the results of the work of the deficit commission? is it something that we should just go for, whether you like it or not, whether you're a democrat or republican, but something to get a plan in place? >> it's a serious proposal but only put forward by the two chairmen. i think when the actual commission votes, they will gut much of what the chairmen put forward.
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so i think the results of the commission, its formal report, will be far less than what the two chairmen put forward. >> do you agree with what howard dean just said, that if you're going to be serious about making america solvent over the mechanics 20, 30 years, you're going to have to address social security aggressively, medicare aggressively, defense spending aggressively, and tax cuts? >> well, you should look at all federal spending. my first bill that i'm going to introduce tomorrow is called the spending control act that will fix a key problem in this deficit commission. the senate gutted the original proposal of the deficit commission. when it denied it, the power to submit a proposal for one up or down vote in the house or senate, that's the procedure that we successfully used five times now to close military bases. it's the procedure that should be put back in place because we have learned how to make tough
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calls with regard to military bases and commission should have this power. >> mike barnicle. >> senator kirk, let me ask you, over the past ten years we've seen basically the republican administration do three things without paying for them. two wars, one in iraq, one in afghanistan, medicaid advantage, and the third one was the bush tax cuts. none of them paid for. so my question to you, isn't this a bit like the government doing exactly what too many americans have done in buying too big a home and getting in trouble on their mortgage and mao having the mortgage foreclos foreclosed. isn't this almost exactly the same thing? >> well, one of the key things we saw over the last two years was the pelosi-reed congress did next to nothing to cut spending and we have seen now a complete waste of stimulus spending. largely now discredited in the press. a number of examples in my own state of wasted spending were
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the lasting legacy simply may be a trillion dollar debt owed by our children, much of it to china. >> but you do agree that we republicans did a terrible job on spending from 2001 to 2009. right? >> i was not tom delay's favorite congressman. i've been against earmarks. i led the charge in the house against the bridge to nowhere even though it was in a republican congressman's district. >> all right. mark kirk, thank you for being with us. congratulations, senator. >> thanks, you guys. >> that's big. howard dean, we're going to continue this conversation going forward. i want to circle back about what you just said specifically. if somebody says they're going to handle america's fiscal crisis without going after social security, medicare, making them solvent over the long run, defense spending, the two wars we're fighting and the
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bush tax cuts, they're not willing to tell you how they're going to pay for the bush tax cuts along with making cuts, substantial cuts, in those other areas, they're just not serious about balancing this budget. are they? >> no, i don't think so. i haven't heard any seriousness yet except by the two chairs. look and there's bitter medicine in that deficit reduction package but we've got to deal with the deficit and everybody's going to have to take a hit. >> hour, stand by. coming up, we'll bring in ken feinberg, the man in charge of compensating victims of the gulf oil spill. see how that's going. and when we come back. >> cris:ty's "candid camera." politico exposes who is filming every move the new jersey governor makes in public and why. but first a quick check on the forecast with bill karins. bill? >> good monday morning, everyone. after a long weekend, the weather pattern continues to make a nice track along the eastern seaboard. no problems along the eastern seaboard, cold, temperatures in the 30s in many areas but it will warm up nicely from boston
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♪ ♪ oer the home of the land and the land of the free ♪ >> oh, my. stirring rendition. leslie nielsen. >> if you're just hearing the news, he died yesterday in florida in a hospital at the age of 84.
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hey, mike. >> happy cyber monday. >> howard dean's still with us. >> good morning, governor. >> good morning. >> this is going well. >> mike, let's talk about new jersey governor chris christie has someone following him around recording every move. who's doing it and why? >> this is a new frontier in governing colliding with campaigning. there is a great profile of the new jersey governor in the new new yorker magazine. there is a moment in there where they explain the governor's staff follows them around with video cameras and they get what they call a moment, which can be the governor chewing out a teacher or doing things with the new jersey swagger that chris christie brings to thing, they quickly splice the video, load up on youtube. conservatives can pass it around. he says for conservatives it is what justin bieber videos are
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for tweens. >> when i think chris christie, i think justin bieber. same thing. governor dean, what do you think about governor chris christie. you've watched him on the national stage? >> i think is he's one of the most fascinating guys on the -- he's just exactly the kind of republican that they could use in washington. although prefer pably not in th oval office. here's a guy who promises he'll cut taxes, which he did, which is not so unusual, but he actually paid for the tax cuts. what he did to pay for them was cut the day lights out of education which people were furious at but i think the american people have become conditioned to people promising them everything and having no pain associated. guess what? if you cut taxes you also have to cut your spending if you want to balance the budget. christie did that. i've never met the guy but -- and i'm sure i don't agree with him, his political philosophy, but it is refreshing to see somebody who actually delivered on a promise, then had a decent balance sheet to show for it. >> absolutely. >> also, i thought where this story was going was what you
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have research where people follow all these candidates around day in and day out with video cameras, grocery stores, shopping, everything. is it becoming more and more difficult for people to get into politics, good people to get into politics? >> yeah. but i think you ought to be able to have a restraining order against people like that. people deserve a private life in politics. when i was governor -- of course this is vermont -- i could go to the grocery store and talk to people and it was really helpful. it is not helpful if you have someone with a camera in your face. it is helpful during a campaign but if you're living you are every day life afterwards, if you want decent politicians, you need to allow them to go to the grocery store without having a camera in their face. >> willie, we've talked to some politicians who will be at a restaurant at 7:00 on a saturday morning and there will be a camera person in the next booth.
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every clip. >> that's just wrong. >> i know a governor from a northeast state whose wife is followed around in the grocery store with little flip cams. it's just going to drive the best people out of politics. >> we just had mark kirk on, his opponent. he went at 6:00 in the morning, one day off during the campaign. somebody walked in, sat in the empty seat next to him, filmed him while he was eating. had that's why good people, governor, aren't running these days. right? >> can't you get a restraining order against people like that? stalking and all that stuff? >> i bet you can't. >> not in certain public places. >> hollywood people get restraining orders against people like that. >> well, a politician should be able to as well. really quickly, mike allen, what do you expect this week from the lame duck session? >> very little. the freshmen are going to come back. this is going to be a chance for the new majority, the incoming
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my office few years ago and there were 16 people responded. i had the lowest tax rate for the 16. i didn't have any tax shelts. i didn't have any tax planner. it was all courtesy of the u.s. congress. they did my tax planning for me. >> their rationale is that by giving you a tax break, so to speak, which is what it amounts to, you helped all the others, that it trickles down. >> yeah, well, all things equal, it hasn't trickled. >> erin burnett is live at the new york stock exchange. erin, what are we looking at this week? >> well, we're going to be talking a whole lot about tax policy. we got the lame duck here in full swing and a lot about the deficit commission because they're going to be coming out with their recommendations on wednesday, recommendations which the president of course had hoped would be binding. but which are not. merely suggestions. but that's going to be the big headline of the week. my headline of the morning,
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guys, is about borrowing, too. it's the deadbeat borrowing are getting incredibly low interest rates. ireland is the big story of the session. you got this european debt crisis spreading. ireland got bailed out. can't pay their debts. massive crisis. guess what interest rate they're paying? given that they're completely defunct. >> what? 8%, 9%? >> normally you'd say that's like a really low rate. right? but it is 5.8%. that's pretty good when you're insolvent. that's a pretty low interest rate. speaking of deadbeat borrowers, the united states of america is borrowing 2.8% right now. >> wow. >> so we've been talking about this for a while but lots of reasons for that but the fundamental one is that people still trust in america and right now with the worries going on in korea and worries going on in europe, european markets, a lot of them down as much as 30% for the year. our markets are still higher for the year in terms of stocks and in terms of bonds. the u.s., interest rates are low. people are lending us for very
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small amounts of money and our dollar has been going up which is sort of the ultimate vote of confidence in the united states. when everyone's afraid of everywhere else, they're not yet throwing their money into china. they're throwing it into the u.s. dollar which you're seeing trade up against the euro, against the japanese yen and everything. >> howard dean, back to the deficit reduction question. do you think at the end of the day republicans and democrats alike on the hill are going to have the guts to make the tough decisions to make sure, as we've all said, that we don't end up being ireland or greece? >> the ones on the hill probably are not but the president has to. he has to stick firm here. his position has to be that if we're going to be serious about the deficit you can't extend tax cuts for people making a million dollars a year unless it is paid for. you were right on questioning senator kirk. what we heard from senator kirk was the usual stuff that politicians always put out. you can have tax cuts and it
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won't cost you anything and that's a good thing for everybody. well, the fact of the matter is chris christie's got it right. you want tax cuts? you got to pay for them. >> what do you expect the market to do today? >> we'll open a little bit lower but it is sort of anybody's guess. it will depend a lot on what happens out of europe this morning. >> erin burnett, thank you. >> governor dean, thank you as well. >> thanks, howard. >> have you told the governor you may be heading up to vermont? >> i'm headed your way. i'm taking the advice you gave me last time you were here. um-hmm. >> well, i'll make sure nobody with a camera follows you at breakfast, mika. >> all right, i'll give you a call. thank you very much for the advice. still ahead, we'll talk with ken feinberg who's paid some $2 billion to oil spill victims. but not without controversy. up next, kerry kennedy. we'll be right back with more "morning joe." tdd# 1-800-345-2550 what if every atm was free?
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a live look at times square. holidays behind us, the first one. one down. one down. joining us now, carrie kennedy. the center's currently holding a special online celebrity charity auction to celebrate the recently held 2010 ripple of hope awards. thank you so much for having us there. we had a great time. >> well, you and joe stole the show. >> i don't know about that. i think -- i don't think that's the case. i think actually your host that came after us. >> jon stewart. >> yeah.
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>> and george clooney. >> we did our best but you put us to task there getting us to work. it was fun and it went well. the dinner you raised a lot of money. >> we raised about $3 million. >> not bad! but there's still an auction. there is still work to be done. >> there is an auction. people can go to and you can have a set visit right here to "morning joe." >> you can come to the set, that's true. that's great. or you can have dinner with kevin spacey. you can have a pair of pavarotti's cufflinks. bono's sunglasses or come to the set of "morning joe." >> or goorneorge clooney's slip. >> somehow the tour of "morning joe" is not looking to good. >> i actually have a pair of george clooney slippers.
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that's great, jon stewart. so funny. >> he was very, very funny. >> jamie foxx. we talk in such a familiar way about your group but for viewers who aren't familiar with what exactly you all do and why they can do a lot of good with this auction, what should they know? >> we work with people who are the martin luther kings of their country, leading human rights defenders around the world, people who have faced imprisonment, torture, death. right now we're working on the health care crisis in haiti trying to stop the cholera epidemic. we're working with tomato pickers here in southern florida and the united states where the group we work with has emancipated over 1,000 people from slavery over the last ten years. >> it's amazing the number of people that you get supporting
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this group. it's just, whether you talk about -- of course we can talk been jon stewart who was just great or some of the other people but also the teachers that are getting involved. we saw teachers getting involved, teaching their children about protecting the rights of others across the globe. >> absolutely. that's a very exciting new program we're working with the new york state union of teachers and that's going to be online starting december 10th where all teachers across the state will have access to our human rights education materials. >> what are you guys doing down in the new orleans region? of course it's just been devastated by two crises. >> we have ken feinberg coming on after you. >> this is an ongoing crisis. people, and thanks to bp, many people think that it's all over but it's not. there's still ongoing health
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concerns for people, mental health issues, physical health issues from the oil spill, and from the dispersants and there's still a lot of leftover poverty as a result of hurricane katrina and the lack of efforts to clean up after that. >> wasn't the follow-up that there should have been, that we were promised there would be. >> still a lot to do. >> but go to the online auction. lots of fun things going on there. we'd love all the support. >> will do. thank you very much. >> where do they go? >> >> the "wall street journal" calls him the pinata of gulf oil claims. he just might be. ken feinberg next on "morning joe." hey, guys. printer's out of ink.
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known as the pay czar as well. but let's talk about where you're at right now. thanks for being on the show. there are a lot of complaints about how you are or are not handing out the money but i guess the biggest one is the accusation that you might be extorting people because in exchange for their payments, they then have to give up the right to sue. >> they have a choice. >> yes, they have the choice. >> they have a choice. they can either take a lump sum payment from the fund and give up their right to sue, or if they don't want to give up that right yet, they're not certain about what's going to happen in the gulf going forward, they can still take quarterly payments if they can document their damage and can continue to sue or do whatever they want. they have that choice. >> now we were told early on that that wasn't going to be the case. that is this policy changed over the past two or three months? >> over the last two or three months i listened to the critics
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who were concerned about people being vulnerable in giving up their right to sue and i decided that the better course would be to give everybody a voluntary choice to either sur renner their right to sue in return for a lump sum payment or continue to take quarterly damage payments, if you can document your damage, and not give up your right to sue. that is a choice that everybody will have the right to make. >> let me ask you on a personal level, you know i'm from pensacola. a lot of people in pensacola have been dealing with you and the payout early this summer. actually june, july, there wasn't much criticism of many things in fact. but when i went back down recently, i heard an awful lot of complaints from again people without an ax to grind, small
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business people that just want their money and want to get back to work. what has happened? how has this pr battle turned against you over the past month or two in my home area? >> well, i'm not sure it has. but every good deed does not go unpunished. we've paid out in the last 90 days or so $2.2 billion. we've received 450,000 claims. half of which have no documentation. now we can do better in pensacola and everywhere else. i'm not oblivious or immune from criticism. but overall, i think the program is working as intended. everybody's getting a chance to file a claim, get that claim processed, you have to document your damage. but i think overall the program is living up to what people expected. there's a great deal of money
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yet to be distributed, and we'll go forward. this program's going to be around for three more years. >> mike barnicle? >> mr. feinberg, i know you to be a long-time student of human nature. given this process, there's a chance that some of these claims could be fraudulent. can you explain, how are the claims vetted when they come to you? how long a process is it? what happens? >> well, we've got about 90 days to process a claim, on average. we've got over 1,000 claims that appear to be fraudulent. the claim comes in, we have claims evaluators in the 35 claims offices along the gulf, like joe says, pensacola all the way down to galveston, and we look at the claim. some of the claims, a huge number, have absolutely no documentation. a fisherman will file a claim and say i lost $35,000 in wages, see the attached. well, will is no attachment.
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we can't pay those claims. if they're fraudulent, or suspicious, we send them to the justice department and the department is reviewing them. overall, i would say, the claims that are documented we're paying them. we can do it faster. maybe we should do it more efficiently but with the huge number of claims that came in, i think overall we're getting the job done. >> you said that this process is going to last three more years. how long are you going to keep doing this? >> i serve at the pleasure of the administration and bp. we've designed the system. now we're entering this very critical phase, as i mentioned to joe earlier. do you want a lump sum payment and no court? no court? or would you rather have quarterly payments and preserve your right to go to court. so i'll stick around for a while and make sure this program works as intended. >> mr. feinberg, willie geist here. you've said that the 450,000 or so claims that have been made, it was four times larger than what you expected? you've already paid out about
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125,000. you say you'll 50 -- have 50,000 mo. that leaves a big gap. can all the people in huge group be putting forward fraudulent claims, or are those just people who are out of luck? >> i think most of those claims aren't fraudulent. most people file a claim and either they don't have tax returns, or profit and loss statements or something -- something -- that we can look at to judge the proof that this is what a person earned or lost as a result of the spill. i don't think most of these claims are fraudulent. people just don't have those records. >> mike barnicle, you know how after bp got in trouble they would have these commercials -- >> oh, right. >> i'm from louisiana and i'm a bp -- i'm surprised feinberg's having any problem, because i'm pretty good picking up accents, that guy's from a alabama. that southern alabama being a
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accident. >> ken feinberg. um-hmm. no. >> i just tell people i have the same accent at barnacle. i don't understand the problem. >> good times for ken feinberg. >> roll tide. >> it's probably not easy being ken feinberg these days. >> thank you. >> he seems to have things under control. >> all right, thank you very much for being on the hoe this morning. good luck. >> as always. >> thank you, ken. all right. it is a battle down there. there are some people that will say they got their payments easier than expected. there are others that are saying that the system is just not keeping up with them. >> couldn't imagine doing that job. >> it is a mess. an absolute mess. because we've talked about this for some time. if a family has been in business for a generation and -- >> how do you put that into a number. >> and they depend on the summer season, you got no summer season
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this year. how do you quantify a lot of those numbers? >> almost impossible. >> he's not just turning his back on people at random. you got to have the papers to prove it. >> all right. up next, what have we learned today? don't forget, you can always listen to "morning joe" live on satellite radio, sirius 90, xm 120. we'll be right back. here's your business travel forecast on this monday. i'm meteorologist bill karins. east coast, no problems. middle of the country, pretty
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