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prices, you name, it's going up. the only thing not going up is your paycheck. the story grabbing headlines this week, the incredible rise we have seen in gas prices soaring some 33 cents over the past two weeks to $3.51 a gallon. that is up some 12.5% in just a month. a whopping 27% higher than it was a year ago. as disturbing as that may be as we head into the summer, the bigger concern is not at the gas pump but on the dinner table. huge price hikes in nearly everything that the people of this this earth eat. we're seeing it with meat, milk, cereal, all up by double digit percentages since the fall. the price of cotton, silver and gold also through the roof. cotton, of course, driving the cost of your t-shirts. and those costs only expected to rise further in the months to come as our government's money printing policy continues to
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drive commodity prices to record levels, add a little middle east unrest, speculation and demand from china. well, welcome to the party. for too many people, it is anything but a party. joining us from washington, lead economist, and here in new york, editor at large for bloombergç news. tom, specifically gas prices, how much of the spike we're seeing right now is a function of supply disruptions, we're not getting oil and how much of it is fear of supply disruptions? >> we're up to our eyeballs in oil in america. it's a global price. the key message is don't foul nymex, west texas and the media. it's a brent world. >> what's the difference? >> brent is europe. >> so brent is oil in europe. >> nymex is oil in cushing
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oklahoma. we're at $115 a barrel right now. >> how much is that price spike driven by speculation that there will be supply disruptions in the middle east? >> some is speculation, someis geopolitical risk. $15, $17 or so. >> what, if anything, do you think is the appropriate political governmental response particularly on the pood issfoo? >> first of all, i think it's important that we're able to identify the most vulnerable people affected. and the poorest are typically the most affected especially in developing countries. those who live in urban areas. and it's essential that one scales up safety net programs to help them out.
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in poor countries, as much as 70% of household expenditures are spent on food. so you can just imagine what this sort of increase in prices causes. so it's essential that those poor people are protected by scaling up some of these programs. secretarily, it's fundamental that trade flows freely and there are no export restrictions that which are placed on%y of these commodities and because we know that export bans have a way of driving up these prices. >> stop there for a second. it's been discussed and recently advanced russia is banning the export of wheat from their country, for instance. why would a country like russia make a decision to ban exports of something as fundamental as wheat when last i checked they were the second largest supplier? >> they had a massive drought
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since last summer. the unprecedented drought. so what often happens is that when a significant part of the domestic crop is affected, often countries think about their own needs first and often it's for the just russia, but many other countries in the past havism opposed these restrictions as a wave trying to rein in their own domestic prices.eism opposed these restrictions as a wave trying to rein in their own domestic prices. ism opposed these restrictions as a wave trying to rein in their own domestic prices.m opposed these restrictions as a wave trying to rein in their own domestic prices.imopposed these a wave trying to rein in their own domestic prices.pposed thesa wave trying to rein in their own domestic prices.osed these rest wave trying to rein in their own domestic prices.osed these rest wave trying to rein in their own domestic prices.posed these res wave trying to rein in their own domestic prices. they think of the world markets as the next step. one could collectively work towards some sort of a code of conduct amongst the major industrialized countries particularly amongst other large exporters to try to limit the sort of export restrictions. i think that would help in terms of taming global commodity price fluctuations. >> we've talked about this in the past on this show. the poorest billion on the earth, whether they're in
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innercity america, louisiana, africa, southeast asia, wherever they are, are the ones clearly the most affected by this. >> right. >> how much -- and a lot of those people live in the middle east under oppressive regimes, where they have a culture of bribery, a culture of people going 20, 3 years without a job, selling organs to make money. the reason why you get the level of motivation that we've seen so far in cairo and elsewhere. how relevant is theç cost of fd to the disruption in middle east? >> the distinction i would make is we got lucky that rice isn't part of the equation. you showed up there on the monitor the food prices. that's from the u.n. food index. what you need to know is unlike oil, the u.n. food index is already through its old highs of '08. but rice is pretty good. the issue is wheat and wheat is the mideast. and it's not so much rice
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based -- >> so you're saying the pressure in asia where rice is more prevalent as the basic ca carbohydrate, but wheat is the -- >> i would say when you cross into france, it's very important and wheat without question one of the major catalysts when you go from tunisia to eequipment to bahrain and to libya. >> do you agree with that, that is an somehow does that affect what happens this friday in saudi arabia where their stock market has been anything but indicating good hinthings to co? >> i think it's important to keep in mind that in the all countries are affected equally by the mcin global prices. and that as was pointed out, the fact that rice prices haven't increased that much is good news for many large rice importing and rice dependent countries. that said, even the price of
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rice has gone up by about 20% since last june. so a 20% rise for somebody who is living on the margins is a tough call, as well. so let's keep that in mind. it's good that rice prices have stabilized over the last couple of months. i think the broader issue of the middle east, i don't think anyone has any clearances as to what are some of the drivers of this unrest. it's impossible to break it down between food prices and all the other factors. but no doubt it is a contribu contributing factor. >> the thing i would point out look at food price inflation in the middle east,ç is we got a gift for the middle part of the last decade. if you inflation adjust food, whether des moines or cairo, there was a real gift there from about i'm guessing '03 to '08. and then it went up and now it's really gone up. so you say can we get back to that gift. i ghave yet to have an intervie
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with fin who suggests we can get back to that cheap food. we have to get used to this and adapt to it instead of dreaming that we'll getfin who suggests back to that cheap food. we have to get used to this and adapt to it instead of dreaming that we'll get back to 2005. >> what might those policies look like? >> the first one long term is we have to get back to food science are we're boosting yields. and we can't have distorted government policies. >> like the corn subsidies. >> and ethanol. i'm waiting for my first interview of an entein-it tell gept ethanol program. >> what about the bank scams? >> i'm going to say that's part of it. last week we saw president trichet verbally company restrictive. so you'll see some of that fold if to lower interest ratenf to
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hassan, did you have something you wanted to share quickly? >> i just wanted to say i can only underscore the importance of improving agricultural yields but in an environmentally sensible way. there are certain countries which have real water shortages out there. we want trade to flow, but you want to have sensible food security policies which includes boosting yields in many countries which can afford to do so. >> this is a conversation that will persist so we'll keep you involved. tom, a pleasure to see you and that is an, a pleasure to make your acquaintance. coming up, the war this libya. how long can the world stand by as gadhafi now isç deploying ariai aerial bombings to murder his own people? plus the ongoing persecution of bradley manning. the accused leaker forced to strip naked every night.
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declaring our support of a provisional government perhaps, a lot of steps we can take. >> that's not the only option for what one could do. one could crater the airports and runways and leave them incapable of quoog them fusing period of time. >> lawmakers pressuring the white house for a more
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aggressive response specific to l country has all the appearances of being on the brink of a civil war. murder of their own people now rampant in that country using high grade military weapon, aerial attack, you name it. gadhafi usie ining military and strikes. and today for the first time our own president talked about nato involvement. >> we've got nato as we speak consulting in brussels around a while range of potential options including potential military options. in response to the violence that continues to take place inside of libya. >> and just a few hours ago in afghanistan, general david petraeus and the defense secretary robert gates were caught on camera joking about the situation in libya. >> welcome back, sir.
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>> well, here to discuss not only libya but a whole raft of fun topics this fine monday is our mega panel, tim carney. is there a right move to be had? >> absolutely. i'm with mccain on this one. and i just ask myself how many times do we have to watch this movie. if you talk to someone like president clinton, one of the great regrets of his presidency is not moving fast enough on. >> ben: kneebosnia. this is a clear case of people who are rising up against an oppressive regime that is killing them. there is a lot we should be doing to help those people. >> do you agree? >> no. what was kerry talking about?
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he said cratering the run ways. that's also called war. rr(t&há% do you have enough room in your heart no three wars in the arab muslim world? i don't know. i don't know if a lot of americans do. >> how do you draw that line? because i think tim represents a fairly broad section of opinion relative to military activity in the middle east at least in america at this point. >> but this is the right one. and actually i disagree with tim on needing to actually go into war. there are lots of examples. and i cite the example of bosnia. i think there are things you can do short of actually getting involved, short of having troops on the ground, which would be very effective and, frankly, much more effective in terms of putting america, putting nato on the side of the people, which actions in afghanistan and iraq haven't exactly done, have they. >> i think it's good to think positively, but every who is
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advocating this kind of intervention is only thinking positively. the negative of course is that the united states or a nato alliance puts some sort of military operation in place. it doesn't top spell this gadhafi government and then you're in there for months on end. i think that's the kind of situation that bears out your point. i don't think -- >> but -- >> why are we talking about being in there some people aren't talking about sending u.s. or may toe troops into libya. people are talking about things you can do from the outside to help protect these people who are being massacred by their total tearian crazy government. >> referred to the pottery store rule. if you break it, you buy it. at what point does that kick in. >> but we haven't broken it. that's the whole point. that's why libya is a a littlely different case from afghanistan or iraq. this is not something created by the outside. >> i would just say briefly you cannot take a military operation and say we're going to do it with a hand behind our back.
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obviously if this is in the national security interests or a moral imperative, you have to be prepared to deal with it. so i don't think the u.s. can go in halfway and i don't think we should go in at all. >> doesn't she hit a point which is there is an opportunity for america whether the military intervention occurs or not to be more aggressive in appearing to be on theç side of the people o want freedom, not just in libya, in saudi arabia. america bank rolls many dictators who prevent freedom from their own people. we are at a moment of change that i don't think any of us can fully comprehend what will occur over the next few years or decades in the middle east, but shouldn't america be on the side of people who want to be free some sxwh you talk about city on a hill, a beacon of hope. good old irish rebel songs. >> are we seeing that from this political leadership in this
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country right now? >> honestly, usually i criticize political rhetoric, but what i want more now is more rhetoric, more about obama saying the people is right and gadhafi is wrong. >> this isn't a news flash. we knew what mubarak was doing and we knew what gadhafi is doing. and there is a chance to reassess policy. i think that comes first. >> i would just say we also have to think about what message you send if you are prepared to send tens of thousands of troops into afghanistan and iraq and not support the people of libya who really want freedom. >> i don't disagree with you. we look to our own country this afternoon and our own culture and custody. new indications that the obama administration has no plans to close gitmo anytime soon which i think is a little different than what he was saying, the white house today announcing plans to resume in fact military trials held at gitmo. meantime right here in the good
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old u.s. of a., new reports about the alleged abuse of private first sclas bradley manning, the man charged extensively in the wikileaks case. manning's lawyer saying military jailers are taking his clothes away from him before lights out every night and then forcing him to stand naked at attention each morning in front of his cell. the reason? manning sarcastically telling guards if he wanted to hurt himself, key do did with the elastic waste band of his underwear or hisç flip-flops. not anymore. this came just 24 hours after manning was charged with aiding the enemy, which is a crime punishable by death. the prolonged incarceration of private manning before the trial. >> it's pretty terrible, isn't it, and so is the treatment. note to all of us never say sarcastic things to people who have a lot of power over you, that includes airport security,
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right? >> yes. they will make your life very difficult. how do you interpret this? the thing that strikes me is if he did this, he should be tried. there are laws. i get that. but to hold him and not try him and then offer offer this kind of treatment makes me a little bit embarrassed to be an american. >> i think due process is a good thing. i believe that military trials and civilian trials ought to have a distinction set of standards and at the do, but it's particularly surprising because this is the sort of thing that obama ran against. when i look back at '06 and '08, i saw things that got liberals most excited hadded to do with this sort of -- >> yes. you can imagine if george w. bush had bradley manning quantico naked standing at attention what the left would look like now? where is the left today? >> there are partisan blinders here and people don't want to ascribe 1307responsibility to t
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president. there needs to be a trial. but in the meantime, the idea that this -- >> we do know must have facts to know that military protocol is not being followed insofar as an expedited trial to the point. and they've gone well beyond both of those thresholds and the left is absolutely nowhere. and i'll can back to my last point. if george w. bush had bradley manning neighboringed in a cell, the left wing of this country would be rioting. >> and one more link point to add on to what you're saying. we coul@ç not legally parade a poli police f prisoner of war from another country around like this and this is how we're treating a u.s. military member. >> how do you explain the lack
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of an uproar from the left or the media? >> i think you hit it on the head. and i would say the other important take away from this is manning at least is a celebrity, at least we're talking about him on tv right now. but i think what this also is a reminder of is how humiliating and degrading conditions in prison are, not just for him, but for hundreds of thousands of other people. and that really is an outrage in the united states. the u.s. has more people in jail as a percentage of population than other western industrialized countries. >> not only do we have more people in jail, it's a factor of ten to one over most western countries. our next closest is france and they have half the number on a per capita basis. anyway, we should bring it up more often. we will. up next, a little voting shenanigans. how about college students as the next target in a political fight that may well be about 2012.
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a story you'll be hearing more about, a fight to keep those pesky young people from voting. pain in the neck. "washington post" reporting on how republicans and at least 32 states are pushing new laws aimed at keeping those darn students and any young voter away from the polls. think of it like gerrymandering but getting ahead of the curve. vertical integration i think they call it. one bill in wisconsin would not let voters use school i.d. cards as a prohibitive measure. another bill in new hampshire would only let college kids vote if they have established permanent residency at the university. saying they need laws like this because, well, students don't vote the right way, you know.
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>> kids coming out of school and basically doing what i did when i was a kid and foolish. that's what kids do. you know, they don't have life experience. it's outrageous, so one of the things we have to do is tighten up the definition of what it is to be a resident. >> most competitive laeks we had, 75% of the driktss were not up for grabs. controlled by money and extremists. and now we want to make it harder for the kids to vote because they vote the wrong way. of course democrats view this as just another attack on their base. first the teachers, not the students. talk about a recent on in democracy for our kids. speaking of students, a new debate about whether classrooms should be larger.ç
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welcome back. in washington, strong environmental protection could soon become apendangered species has house republicans want to cut the epa's funding by nearly a third. that will be the single largest cut of any federal agency in the republican's proposed budget cuts. mind you, it will do nothing to resurrect america's financial problems driven by housing and unemployment, not the epa. tomorrow the gchltgop will hold
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appearing to stop the power grab. i think they put in the word job destroying in front of anything they want to do. i don't think we're all quite as stupid as they want us to be. anyway, joining us now as these attacks come in, we see evidence of elevated levels of cancer causing chemicals caused chromium 6 now in 35 cities across the u.s. that same chemical was at the heart of the famous erin brockovich case nearly two decades ago and just last week ms. brockovich took her new clean water fight to washington to meet with lawmakers and epa and we're pleased to welcome her to the program. her new book hits stores this week. is it better than it was? >> no. as far as environmental issues are? no, i was pretty shocked when you just said almost two decades
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since the film came out. but, no. it was one thing when i started in '91. it was one thing when the movie came out in 2000 and here it is 2011 and the issue still aunt being addre isn't being a addressed. >> at the same time, the response from the political environment, the corporate environment and the mediabeing . >> at the same time, the response from the political environment, the corporate environment and the mediaaddres. >> at the same time, the response from the political environment, the corporate environment and the mediaddress. >> at the same time, the response from the political environment, the corporate environment and the media has been what? >> i think there is interest and greater awareness, but i'm not sure that we're doing anything about it. one thing that's been happening to me over the past ten years is i've been a recipient of many e-mails. i get 25,000 to 35,000 inquiries to my website. and one continuing that has concerned me that i'm starting to see communities reporting to me is unusual amounts of what they believe are cancer in their neighborhood especially with children. i get e-mails from mothers and
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they're very good stewards, they're keeping a pretty good eye on what's going on, that they find it odd that eight children on the block have leukemia, or a mother lives in another place and she find it is odd that there are 19 kids with glioblastoma. so what i've started to do is plot on a map all of these inquiries and these communities who are or thing to me what's happening. and i stand at 700ç sites on ts map in the united states now. so when i look at that, it's saying to me we're not looking and listening to what's happening to the people who may in fact be drinking or ingesting different chemicals in different routes of exposure and what's happening to them. and i think we need to. >> and why do you think we're not looking at that? >> i'm not really sure. i don't know if it's out of fear. i don't know if it's out of agreed. i don't know if one side has to have it all and the other side gets nothing and suddenly there is this clash. what i'm concerned about is i'm
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in a unique perspective out there working with communities. i see where agencies aren't there. litigation is a useful fool, but it takes 10, 15 years. i'm seeing companies that could step up to the plate yet it's almost like the elephant is in the room and everyone is walking around it. and i think there are other ways for people to have a meeting of minds to find a solution on the issue that should be everybody's cause. clean water, good health and clean air. >> the republicans want to cut 30% from the epa. is that because they're against good health and clean water? >> no, i don't believe that at all. i was born and raised in a very conservative people in kansas. my father worked for industry. he's the very one that taught my the value of clean water and good health. and so for me, caring about the environment and being a good steward is actually a conservative idea. but the ideas are starting to clash with themselves. and so it is it everybody's
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issue. so everybody has to take and give a little, whether a company or a certain party. i don't want to make this a party issue. it's everybody's issue. but don't 14shove regulations dn somebody's throat. it has to be a meeting of the minds and everyone has to give and take a little. >> is there an opportunity to have conversation around the super fund sites or these places where there is a higher level of suspicion of toxicity for whatever the potential cause may be, an industrialç facility or whatever it might be? is there a way to have the conversation that goes the way you just described it, which is how do we do this safely as opposed to you can't do this or we are doing this and you can't tell us what to do which seems to be where we end up. >> what i see happening is we
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have an opportunity here for all these super fund sites, i think they say there's 1200 that haven't been cleaned up. we need to look at those and begin a cleanup process. you can generate a whole lot of jobs. we have science an technology that could be put to work and looking for ways for us to handle our waste differently, put a lot of construction people and begin to find the solution. if we don't, i don't see how we will ever progress forward. so i do think that there is ways and solutions, but we just have to decide that we want to do that and, again, not just leave communities out there who are trying to report to us that they are in turmoil, they do need help and we can't keep ignoring it. >> how much do you think the weakness in the economy makes it easy for politicians to push environmental funding to the back of the burner? >> i'm sure it makes it a little bit easier because of -- i don't want to make it an economic issue. again fore i can see all these places that need to be cleaned up, that need to be addressed,
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that we can go back and take a look at. and, again, generate jobs, put people to work, clean up the environment. so all of us can move forward. and for me, i think it's ridiculous if we would just take a look at this and if will is any association with all of this contamination and a disease process, why we wouldn't want to fix with that to ease that health care burden in the future. so i'm hopeful that through continuing to did o my work, we will all collectively decide that this is an issue that we need to work on together for better results for us all. >> what was the experience like writing sortç of a piece of -- piece like that? >> i thought it was very helpful. there's a character in here, a.j., that i think many of us can relate to. i think many of us have been rock bottom and we can see that we can climb out of that. and this is also relevant because what we talk about here are causes and issues that are
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actually happening throughout the united states. and many, many xhuities are represented within this book and what i'm talking about who have been exposed to a chemical and it has jeopardized their health and safety. >> people want to help you, what's the most helpful thing people can do? >> resources is one thing that we're trying to do. awareness. i think awareness is key. prevention is a goal for the future. we're going to to start working more on social networking so that people in these communities have a place to report, have a resource so i can have somebody begin to take a look at it and so we have somewhere to go and we can at least begin to look at what the problem is and finding some solution. because another lawsuit -- i don't know that there is enough attorneys in the united states to handle all the situations that we're looking at involving environmental disasters. and so that away can't be the
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only solution. so we need to find some others, whether that be some oversight, still rely on a your additional arm, industry come to the table, let's clean it up. listen, these communities aren't asking for companies to go away, they're asking for them to be accountable and responsible. >> to do it safely. >> and i think that we are so technically advanced and so scientifically advanced, we've done so much, i can't believe that we can't come back, look at this, clean it up and move forward. i just can't. so all of us will have to get together and that's one thing that we're doing. we hope that the book can do is inspire somebody to after they've read a cause novel to realize that this is going on and to understand that they can be proactive and they can be a voice to help makeç a differen so while the whole system is kind of upside down, that people can get back to themselves, back to their families, back to their communities and maybe they can find some solutions starting right will. >> i don't disagree with that at
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all. it's been a pleasure. thank you. and congratulations on the new book. >> thank you very much. >> erin brockovich, the book rock bottom out this week. just ahead here, rethinking the conventional wisdom about class size in america. should the classes be bigger? learning in groups. projects. solving problems. not smaller. do kids learn more from other kids than they do from the teacher anyway? that debate after this. and can help you keep a healthy weight. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. ♪ [ folk pop ] [ man ] ♪ if you got worries then you're like me ♪ ♪ don't worry now i won't hurt you ♪ ♪ and if you got worries then you're like me ♪ ♪ don't worry now i won't desert you ♪ ♪ [ continues ]
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public schools across our country are seeing class sizes swell, this thanks to budget cuts and teacher layoffs, those greedy teachers screwing up our country. not the bankers fault obviously. the trend is one that generally disturbs many parents who for years have advocated for smaller class sizes. but not everyone is up in arms about it. bill gates along with the u.s. education secretary arne duncan have both made comments recently in support of larger class sizes. is it possible that bigger classes in some way are good for america? joining us now, ben goldhurgs ceo of a company dedicated to moving the country forward through videos and thmagazines. >> this will is an issue for the country and i don't want to have a debate on this show. i think this is a conversation
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we need to have, it's a class size reality. budgets are sideways and we're seeing classes increase by significant percentages in many cities and many states and it's trend that will continue. and i think where people are trying to take this conversation is, all right, what do we do now and how do we look at this reality as an opportunity. because we need to ratticly improve the efficiency that we're currently enjoying in our classes and that will happen through supporting talent in in the teaching trade, accountability, and driving best result ares and providing the tools that we need to maximize opportunity for the students. so this is all stuff that's of a foot. we have a great guest from class size matters in the station so i'm excited about what we're going to do now now that we're here because we are indeed here. >> and laney is an advocate for smaller classes and an executive director for the group class size matters. a pleasure to see you what do
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you lose when the class size is bigger? >> you lose a çlot. teachers say they don't have enough time to devote to individual students or group instruction. students are lessen gauged in what's happening in the large class, they tend to get lost in the back and don't pay attention and really the time on task is lost. disciplinary referrals go way up when you have larger classes and the benefits outweigh the costs two to one. >> that's a quote from bill gates. he says one approach is to get more students in front of top teachers asking them to take on four or five more students, part of the savings could then be used to give top teachers a raise. >> yeah, well, i think -- i got in to this issue in the first place when my daughter was in first grade. she had the best teacher in the school. incredibly experienceded and she told me for days -- she prayed
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for days when one or two kids were absent because she couldn't reach all the rest of kids in the class otherwise. what we're saying right now is the best teachers cannot do their best in large classes. and if we really want to do right by our teachers and more importantly right by our children, we have to provide them with reasonable class sizes. because the institute of education sciences which is the research arm of the department of education say there is only four reforms that have proven to work to improve student achievement through rigorous evidence. and class size is one of them. and i can tell you that none of the things that bill gates and arrest arreduncan are talking a are on that list. >> we talk about how the budgets are sideways.rrest duncan are t are on that list. >> we talk about how the budgets are sideways.est duncan are tal are on that list. >> we talk about how the budgets are sideways.est duncan are tale on that list. >> we talk about how the budgets are sideways.st duncan are talk on that list. >> we talk about how the budgets are sideways.duncan are talking
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that list. >> we talk about how the budgets are sideways. america spend as fortune on education and gets terrible results. america is famous in health care, spend more than anybody in the world, 37th quality in care. education, second biggest spender on the planet on education and we don't even rang rank in the top ten. butt whipped by people who spend less money, we're getting our butt whipped by people who larger class sizes about so we have to take that in account. i think we all agree that a great teacher with 15 students will outperform a great teacher with 50 students. >> i can tell you i've talked to people who have studied finland and they say they turn itted air their education system in the 1970s when they reduced class sizes. they -- >> is that the only thing they did? >> that was one of the major things they did. they also stopped tracking. in exchange for stopping tracking, the each others union
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said we demand shawler classes. they reduced in all grades to 20 or less and they stopped givie standardized tests and started paying more. >> let me hop in if i can. some of that stuff makes total sense. stopping track to go me, there's best practices in a lot of fields and tracking is one of them. i'm sure you guys track results of your shows and the different segments and that affects strategy. i think what's exciting is the class size reality and the outcomes that we're seeing right now are forcing a very disciplined conversation on what we need and there are new advances happening that i think will cause sweeping changes in the way we educate our children and the ability of a teacher to best handle 15 kids or 30 kids. and giving them the same technological interface that your producer has so they can evaluate the performance on an individual basis and aren't having to teach en masse to everyone at once. so i think this is a really
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unfortunate situation that we're in, but the crisis is an opportunity. >> i think right now our country is wasting hundreds of millions of dollars and our city is wasting hundreds of millions of dollars on unproven fads. one of them relates to the expansion of technology and online learning. new york city wants to spend half aç billion dollars next yr on good banding online learning without any independent evalue and i go shows it actual works.g without any independent evalue and i go shows it actual works. learning without any independent evalue and i go shows it actual works.ood exbanding online learg without any independent evalue and i go shows it actual works. without any independent evalue and i go shows it actual works. without any independent evalue and i go shows it actual works. without any independent evalue and i go shows it actual works. without any independent evalue they're paying more for higher standardize the test scores and there has been study after study showing that's a waste of money and in fact it has damaging consequences on our kids. so i think that there is money out there. i also believe that this it may not relate exactly to the topic, but if we taxed millionaires and had them pay their fair share, a lot of the state budget deficits
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would go away. and as i said before, alan krueger, who was the former chief economist for the treasury department, has pointed out that class size reduction yields twice as much in terms of economic benefits than the cost. and we as a country owe to our own future and of that our children to invest in programs proven to work rather than unproven fads and experiments. >> it's a pleasure to have this conversation with you. >> i was wrong, will this turned in to a debate, but i know we're out of time. >> it's all good, my man. the take away for me is a reminder that whether it's energy, health care or education, we spend billions and billions and billions of dollars that get paid to not give us what we are getting, which is health care, energy and education. we don't get it but we pay for it so somebody else can get rich and that just seems stupid to
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kelly today talking about women and the new battleground in the for a it for equal rights. >> we've come a long way since the first international women's day was celebrated. since then women have gone further than we ever could have imagined. so far 60 women have served as presidents or prime ministers in countries that just a centurying a go may not have allowed them
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to vote. impressive progress. but progress doesn't mean perfection. and will this are a number of areas in which women still struggle for equality and equal rights. chief among them, the struggle for contraception. senator mccain found himself playing defense when asked for his thoughts on insurers who cover viagra but not birth control. >> do you have an opinion on that? >> i don't know enough about to give you an informed answer. >> i could have saved the senator an awkward pause byç reminding him that he previously voted twice against insurers to cover contraception. it seems like it would be a no brainer rather than face the prospect of covering another dependent. but a study found take about while 70% cover erection drugs,
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only half cover conception prevention. it faced significant cuts under president bush, but one of the biggest battles is taking place right here in america. according to the new health care law, insurers must provide preventive services free of charge, but the obama administration is waiting for legal experts on decide whether this includes contraception the argument is that birth control fits any reasonable definition before the roman catholic church strongly disagrees. of course since these groups also oppose abortion, it would stand to reason they would be supporting women having fewer of them and greater access to contraception ensures just that. so my humble wish is that some day soon no woman will find herself penalized financially or

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