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>> he's here, he's going to be on morning joe in about 30 seconds. s s >> you're kidding me? >> he doesn't have to explain himself. he's willie geist. >> this is "first look" on msnbc. stay tuned because morning joe and willie geist starts right now. have a terrific weekend. >> our president that kisses everybody's ass is in more wars than i've ever seen. he's in libya, afghanistan. he's in iraq. nobody respects us. >> no -- >> nobody respects our leadership. >> can i do worse? you're talking about me like i'm a warmonger. >> i'm just asking the questions. >> this guy got the nobel peace prize. every time i look he's going into another country. >> all right.
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>> april fool's day. >> is that what that is. >> good morning, everyone. >> is that what it is. >> it says right here, friday, april 1st. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, msnbc -- i don't see him, do you? >> wow. >> yesterday's script. they say mike barnicle is here. maybe he is. >> that's our april fool's day. >> we're having a rough day in the control room. he gets a big advance, he buys champagne, cork blows open. champagne -- oh, wait a second, that was the old iraq war. got a big advance. nothing works here, right, chris? >> what else is new? >> that's awesome. >> way to go, t.j. way to go. >> many people suggesting that "way too early" did not air today because i slept in or it was april fool's. >> i was here. we were in the elevator together. >> tell the world, willie. >> i can confirm, willie and i,
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we always get here at 3:00. >> 3:00. >> we work with the orphans downtown and then come 3:00 and we have a preeditorial. everybody here saw -- we sit here at :00 and we work through it all. >> willie and i walked in together. and did you recognize me at first? >> vaguely. >> it was bad. >> we were feeling the same way about the time we walked in. >> looking differently. >> donald trump. jon meacham is here, executive editor at "random house." and "new york times" columnist, gale collins with us as well. >> the lost episode. >> can i have it? >> is this the script that never aired. >> oh, my god. >> look at it. feel it. >> i'm going to take this to the national archives. >> the morgan library is in the market. >> it's so precious. >> that's a shame.
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>> i'm going to send this to the museum. >> the british museum has the first pages of middle march. >> all right. >> willie, donald trump, listen, we like him. we like him. and i know gale, you're probably a huge fan. we like him. and so i say, hey, trump good run. when we go out and talk, people always talk about donald. >> they ask about him all the time. >> i'm hoping he's going to give me a billion dollars or something. these polls, another poll came out yesterday had trump tied with mitt romney. if a billionaire -- >> the harris poll, right? >> with a nike i.d. like donald trump would win a republican nomination, this would be the year. >> i think that's why he's pushing. the field is weak and he thinks the birther issue is a winner for a republican primary. >> did he talk about the birther
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thing last night? >> not last night. >> i don't know. >> not last night? he talked about other things, good. we don't have to talk about it. let's move on. i don't know why you bring it up. >> i think he's done with that now. >> i hope he is. >> the china message, i think he should stay on that. >> demagogue against china. >> exactly. >> 45% of americans believe barack obama wasn't born in this country. >> what are you doing? >> i'm saying donald trump is donald trump knows what he's doing and the question is, what's with the republican party? we're almost half the republican party doesn't believe the president of the united states was born in america. >> it's a nativist surge, always a quiet virus in the country that flares up.
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>> i think the sense of the displacement of unease about obama's background, obviously, manifests itself in the birth certificate. you can talk about that without talking about the race issue. i don't think there's any question about this. >> okay. is that what's happening here? >> have you ever noticed that the beginning of the political process looks exactly like "celebrity apprentice"? >> everybody gets thrown in there. >> they all go blah, blah, blah. the team spirit. all these strange people you haven't seen since 1984 are suddenly out there. >> the problem here is that it's late. isn't it late in the game for republicans? >> for republicans, it is. >> for anybody good to get in, yeah. >> is there anyone -- >> plenty of room for more bad people. there's trillions of them. >> always room for bad people. we prove that every day here.
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>> i smell a column. >> you smart man. >> let's give gail more fodder. this is from o'reilly last night. >> we have to do something about china. we have to do something about opec. we cannot have oil at $105 which will go to $150 very soon. we have nobody to speak to these guys. they wouldn't be there except for us. messenger is the key. if you have the right messenger and they know how to deliver the message. >> you going to scare them. >> you scare them. the mere threat of doing that -- >> why haven't obama or bush done it? >> they don't have the capacity to do it. >> they're not smart enough? >> maybe they don't have the right ingredient to do it. they should absolutely be doing it. >> you remember 1992. >> it was a good year. >> good year. good year. i don't remember a lot of it. there was a transition from --
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transition from industrial age to information age. a lot of chaos going on and ross perot was straight-talking billionaire said i'm going to help you out. i'm going to talk to you straight. and you get that sense with donald trump when he leans forward talking about china. >> oh, my god, her eyes popped out of her head. >> you don't make the perot -- >> she doesn't see it. >> you don't make the perot/trump connection? >> lord no. he doesn't have one message. i has 27,000 messages. ross perot, that's one thing he said over and over again. we have this deficit, you know, we have to worry about that. the bonds are going crazy and everybody glummed on to that one simple message. donald trump has 5 million messages. his only message is i'm so much smarter than anybody who's been president of the united states. i once ran a casino. i know how to do this stuff. that's all he got. >> he ran a casino?
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>> several ka seen knows. >> we'll have to look into this guy. >> i don't think that's all he's got. i'll stay out of it. >> what else? you think you've been mean to donald? >> no, i don't. real friends are honest. >> friends don't let friends drive drunk. >> friends don't let friends drive drunk. >> there you go. >> mika wants to talk about libya. >> i do. i think this is fascinating with the french potentially doing what we don't want to do there is a heated debate in washington this morning about whether or not to supply weapons to rebels fighting moammar gadhafi in libya. rebels about whom obama administration officials say they know very little about. in back-to-back appearances before the house and senate armed services committee yesterday, defense secretary robert gates argued forcefully against providing the u.s. arms to the opposition movement. but the white house still has not ruled it out. >> what the opposition needs as much as anything right now is
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some training, some command and control and some organization. it's a pretty -- it's pretty much a pickup ball game at this point. in terms of providing that training, in terms of providing assistance to them. frankly, there are many countries that can do that. that's not a unique capability for the united states. and as far as i'm concerned, somebody else should do that. >> so is it okay if someone else does it? interesting. while gates invifted american forces would not see action on the ground, he backed away from comments he made on sunday's "meet the press" saying yesterday, it was and is in america's national interest to intervene in libya. >> there will be no american boots remova of colonel gadhafi will likely be achieved over time through political and economic measures
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and by his own people. the security and prosperity of the united states is linked to the security and prosperity of the broader middle east. i believe it was in america's national interest as part of a multilateral coalition with broad international support to prevent a humanitarian crisis in eastern libya that could have destabilized the entire region at a delicate time. >> now, gates' comments were ek code by joint chief chairman admiral mike mullen who emphasized the challenges ahead. >> nobody's underestimating the scope of the challenge before us. gadhafi still possesses superior military capability to those of the forces against him. he still denies his own people food, water, electricity and shelter. and he has made no secret of the fact that he will kill as many of them as he must to crush the rebellion. >> meanwhile, libyan state tv is quoting gadhafi as saying he's not the one who should resign but the western leaders who have decimated his military.
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his comments come as government forces have regained momentum on the battlefield, retaking control of the key oil town. yesterday, gadhafi's regime suffered its second high profile defection in as many days after a former foreign minister and u.n. general assembly president fled tripoli. >> so sorting through yesterday's statements, gail, it looks like we're not going to arm the rebels but the french are. perhaps.ed as a government that we should only arm osama bin laden once every quarter century, right? >> we'd rather not do that again. >> let's not do that again. we did it in afghanistan. it did not work out. >> it did not work out at all. >> there are al qaeda members we're fighting for right now. let's not give them arms to kill americans, right? is that good policy. >> this is why people like to talk about donald trump. because this is hard. because this is so hard. it's very difficult. i mean -- >> you sound like george bush.
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it's hard, it's hard. it's a lot harder if you go into the country. >> let's hope they get lucky over there for once. that's all i can tell you. >> we could be helping right w now, al qaeda elements, just like we did in the 1980s in afghanistan. >> that's doing the stuff. the chances of making a terrible mistake are very, very high. >> jon meacham, what does a president have to do moving forward to look decisive while not going all in? that's his problem. he doesn't feel like he can go all in and say we're taking gadhafi out. >> one thing he might do and this is just as a total observer, i have no reporting to back this up. he might want to get his own team on the same message. it feels to me as though second clinton was one place, the president himself was another. gates, that's a very reluctant warrior there. >> this is fascinating.
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>> what do you mean? >> this is the same thing with egypt. you had hillary clinton scolding those not loyal to mubarak while you had other members saying we have to take him out. >> what i mean is that tonally, it does not feel to me as though the administration is of one mind or -- even more important to some extent, one heart. >> they're battling it out, which is what i like to see. it seems little different than what we've seen in the past, several administrations. i'd like to know what you mean when you say he's not going to go all in. if did he and he went after gadhafi and we went all in, you wouldn't be saying this is the worst decision ever? because we're not fully engaged in a third muslim country and this is another afghanistan and we don't need that? that's exactly what you'd be saying. >> first of all, first of all -- >> yes. >> i'm going to defend the pulitzer prize winner's honor right here. >> oh. >> if the administration is going to debate, you would hope
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they would debate behind closed doors instead of congressional committees where one says one thing, another says another. and gates is a very reluctant warrior. secondly -- >> they are individuals with their own opinions. >> i think i'm very consistent in that i said from the beginning, i didn't want to go in to libya. >> why does this president have trouble going all in? what does that comment? >> because the president hasn't gone all in. i think most americans would feel -- >> we don't want to go all in. nobody wants him to go all in except three republicans. nobody wants him to go all in. >> it's four now. marco rubio, he joined yesterday. >> four republicans. >> willie, you can't say -- here's the reality now. okay? the president really did cross the rubicon when he first of all said we have to replace gadhafi, we want him to go, then he fired 100 u.s. missiles.
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we've spent probably $500 million right now on this war. the reality is, you cannot allow gadhafi to survive. once you do that, you cannot allow him to survive. he's a man that's already blown up, you know, an airplane full of americans. if he survives with that oil money, it's going to get really ugly in this country over the next five years. we've crossed the line. >> i don't think anyone is suggesting we send american troops marching into tripoli to topple him but someone has to arm the rebels. we're seeing what happens right now when they're not armed. they're in full retreat back east. whether it's us, whether it's france, whether we say the saudis give in to him, the qatar, whatever it is, somebody has to put arms in their hands. >> how long have we been there, a week, week a a half. >> we've been there ten days. the whole thing is 46 days. >> we still don't know what our strategy is. are we going in? are we not going in?
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are we arming them? meanwhile, gadhafi gets a push, then the rebels get a push. >> it's okay to launch missiles out of submarines but not to give guns to the rebels. i don't quite get the distinction there. >> because missiles presumably explode and can't be reused. you can't give that miss toll even more destabilizing elements. >> i'm really glad -- >> we're working to destabilize gadhafi with those missiles. why not go all the way and have the rebels destabilize? >> today's rebels are tomorrow's taliban. >> leave gadhafi there? >> oh, my gosh. we have a big show this morning. >> i'm excited about it. >> former white house press secretary ari fleischer will be here on the set. have you seen his tweets? >> ari's? no, i haven't. >> they're interesting. >> also -- >> is it cooking stuff or what? >> anthony shadid will be on the show. he's one of "the new york times" journalists kidnapped by
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pro-gadhafi forces in libya. plus, digger phelps will join us later. don't miss willie's week in review coming up this hour. but first, here's the weekend forecast with bill karins. >> way to go, bill, snowing in april. good job. >> jerk. >> some areas better than expected. a little saving grace for the catskills, poconos, northern new jersey didn't get the snow they were calling for. it's snowing pretty good in northern new england. we're expecting main mann and new hampshire and massachusetts to get the brunt of this storm. worcester, mass, 4 to 8 inches for you and boston, 2 slushy inches. albany and hartford, just a little bit, not a lot. the white on there is the snow. it's spreading up into new england. areas of rain in cape cod, boston you're on the line. north of boston, heavy snow, south of boston, we've been dealing with rain. we have an area of rain from philly to baltimore. that will cause a slow drive
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today on interstate 95. your forecast, gloomy and murky on this april fool's day. there's beautiful weather in the middle of the country. record highs in texas. sooner or later, this weekend, especially sunday, some of the warm air heads to the east coast. you're watching "morning joe," brewed by starbucks. i'm good about washing my face. but sometimes i wonder... what's left behind? [ female announcer ] introducing purifying facial cleanser from neutrogena® naturals. developed with dermatologists... it's clinically proven to remove 99% of dirt and toxins and purify pores. and with natural willowbark it contains no dyes, parabens or harsh sulfates. dirt and toxins do a vanishing act and my skin feels pure and healthy.
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libya foreign minister moussa koussa has resigned from his post and fled to england. although moammar gadhafi has lost moussa koussa, he has the support of other supporters, lynyrd skynyrd, jack black, hannah montana and the late evel knievel. libya, it's okeydokey. >> apparently that language was either misunderstood or ignored. but what i said was, the further
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implementation of 2011 wisconsin act 10 is in joint. that's what i now want to make crystal clear. >> we heard you the first time. god, it's like your walker's mom or something. you know what, you're not the boss of him. ohio's courts totally let governor casic do it. he can publish his laws anywhere he wants. he's going to have his own governments. it will be great. we'll deny labor rates and there's nothing you can do about it and i'm going to have a camaro and i hate you! >> welcome back to "morning joe." time now to take a look at the morning papers. "the new york times," the richard nixon presidential library in california has opened an exhibit on watergate. it's different from what you'll find in other presidential libraries in one is often an unforgiving account of what happened in the last two years
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of nixon's presidency, including the attempted cover-ups and nixon's resignation. >> willie, i hope they don't let you -- seriously. if they say these are the tapes, you give that man a chance to burn the tapes, he will burn them. >> flame on. >> arnold schwarzenegger has unveiled his first business venture since finishing his last term as california governor pep he's creating a new come book hero, the governator. the comic will be the basis for a new comic series for children. "usa today," seven new york state workers are the winners of the mega millions, $319 million jackpot. this morning at least five of their co-workers are kicking themselves after choosing not to participate in the office pool. the man who purchased the quick pick ticket says he was actually skipped in the lottery line when he reached for a snickers bar.
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>> somebody cut in front of him, that's great. >> that's funny. >> let's go to playbook, politico playbook. mike allen. >> happy friday! >> there it is. >> we need that. >> we can get started. >> that put me in a good mood. >> it did, mike. thanks. let's talk about the union fights. we heard stephen colbert talking about it. these battles having repercussions for republicans. who's turning on them now? >> willie, republicans need to be adding coalitions as they add into 201, not losing them. we talked about the problems they have with hispanics. the public safety unions, the police, the fire unions which 4 been aligned with republicans, especially after 9/11 are turning on the party because of these republican governors which are going after them. this is a big shift in groups that the gop can count on, the fraternal order of police told
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our gene cummings they've been surprised that the republican governors have not been more careful and sympathetic to the public safety unions. you have both a political problem an a pr problem for republicans. >> chuck canterbury saying they're shocked by the turn of events in places like wisconsin. >> shocked. who would have seen that coming? that democrats might be a bit more inclined to help unions than republicans? >> cops and firefighters look like they're turning on them now. let's talk about mitt romney. >> can i ask a quick question? >> yes. >> indiana, ohio, they have their union battles more quietly. >> i think he signed a bill in ohio. >> his numbers have dropped a good bit, right? >> they have. this is giving republicans on capitol hill real pause. governor christie's numbers have dropped as well. we're heading into in the next week or two, probably after they
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reach the budget deal, the house republicans are going to put up their budget and politico learned yesterday that over coming years with be that budget will propose a trillion dollars in cuts to medicaid. republicans here starting to get queasy looking at those polling numbers you were talking about. >> mike, it feels like mitt romney has been in this 2012 race for years already. he's actually not officially in. i understand he'll start fund-raising at the end of the month here. >> you're right about that. he hasn't had an official exploratory committee. you couldn't write a check to mitt romney for president. yesterday, his campaign had a conference call with his top donors. that said they'll form that mechanism so they can start collecting the checks, the fly around, the big announcement won't come out. the campaign is keeping that
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fluid so they can move the date if other events are going on. >> gail, you've described the 2012 republican field as "celebrity apprentice." is mitt romney, jose canseco, gary busey. >> maybe meatloaf. >> are you going to celebrate him officially announcing his candidacy for the nomination? by once again retelling the dog at the top of the station story. >> i think that's why he doesn't want to announce, because he thinks we'll ask him about the story where he put his dog on top of the car on the way to canada. coming up, a wild opening day in major league baseball, including the first walkoff home run of the season. highlights in sports. plus, chris rock claims to be a loyal mets fan. sits down with david letterman and explains what it's like. we'll be right back.
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32 past the hour. i just can't take it anymore. >> look at. april just -- >> you know what? everyone just go back to bed. >> jon meacham, it is the cruellest month. >> it's just mean. look at that weather. and it won't change. welcome back to "morning joe." 32 past the hour. >> my mother would agree april is the cruellest month. i was born in april. she cried for nine months. >> nine months was probably the least of it. >> it was the least of it. she didn't realize it was a lot easier when i was inside. >> big old accident. >> i was. they had no idea.
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>> i know. >> 47 years of accidents right here. >> happy april fool's day, mom. >> three weeks after a devastating earthquake and tsunami in japan, there are new signs this morning that the country is facing a long-term nuclear crisis. for the first time, officials have detected radiation exceeding government safety limits in ground water. under the fukushima plant. according to the facility's operator, drinking supplies have not been affected. meanwhile, giant pumps are being air lifted from the u.s. to japan to help cool down the reactors. this morning's "usa today" reports that after taking a hit during the recession, the nation's ceos got their biggest raises in recent memory last year. this is not an april fool's day joke. this is real. this is true. median pay for the headses of the nation's top companies jumped 27%. so great for them. by comparison, workers in the
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private industry saw their compensation grow by just over 2% in 2010. we'll also have the march unemployment numbers when they come out in a couple of hours for the real people who are still suffering. >> gail kol unz, lons, we had e burnett on the show yesterday talking about how we had the best quarter in decades. >> she said who? >> wall street. it used to be back in the good old days that a great ceo would get paid $2 million or $3 million. now they get paid like $250 million for wrecking a company. and there's just this huge disconnect between wall street and main street and it keeps getting bigger. >> it's our fault. we keep celebrating these people. they should be shunned, shamed if they do this kind of stuff. >> how exactly do we do that? how do we shun them? >> turn our heads when they walk by. >> they don't usually look at us because they're counting their
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money. >> when they come into restaurants, you go ssss, like that. >> the poof is mightier than the pen. i guess that's her hair. i don't know. >> this is big. >> when it comes to speaking fees at new jersey's largest university. a rutgers university association paid snooki of the reality tv show "jersey shore" 32,000 today's appear at a q & a session yesterday. that is $2,000 more than the university is paying nobel winning novelist tony morrison to deliver rutgers -- here's what they have to do. they have to pay tony morrison more. he's being paid to do the commencement address in may. >> hold on, hold on. here's the deal. >> you should pay morrison more. >> here's the deal. we're going to commit the difference. i'm going to write a $1,500 check for morrison. >> i'm in.
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>> $1,000, $1,000, $1,000. $1,000 all around. we'll write a check to the university and they have to give it to toni morrison. >> that doesn't feel like it fixes the problem. >> we're men, we're into quick fixes. okay, what's your next problem? what do you want to fix next? >> write a check. >> write a check, done. >> the state university shelling out 32 grand for snooki? >> what's wrong with them? >> gail collins. i thought they were done. aren't they done? >> i saw pieces of the show the other day because willie had the audacity to put that on. >> her daughter put me up to it. >> i'm a horrible parent. horrible, horrible. >> you say you think they're done. >> it's disgusting porn. it's -- blah. >> it's like herpes. it goes away, comes back. it never goes away. >> this is very bad. i'm sorry. >> this is bad.
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>> donald trump is looking better and better. geez louise. >> the age of trump. >> student activity fees went to pay her. >> i'd be happy if i were a parent or two. >> i'd be proud to be sending my kid there. >> we have the toni morrison relief fund. we've taken care of that problem. >> that doesn't fix it. >> let's go to willie. >> the jersey shore kids show up at nightclubs and get 20 grand for being there. >> they act like trash and get money for it. they mess up our kids. >> let's celebrate people doing things for the love of the yankees. >> let's start with the late game, out west, the giants defending world series champions in l.a., taking on the dodgers. now managed by donnie baseball, the former yankee, don mattingly. tied up until this. giants catch a buster posey. the young kid behind the plate. he tries to pick off matt kemp at third who once dated rean no.
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dodgers in the eighth, a james loney double. 2-0. then the ninth -- >> is rihanna the one that chris brown beat up? >> yes, she is. pat buehrle's solo shot, it's not enough. clayton kershaw, great pitcher, dominant. he gets the win for l.a. >> mattingly is coaching the dodgers? >> he's the manager of the dodgers. >> how exciting. >> he'll be great. his old team, the new york yankees. derek jeter going to have a big comeback season. >> he's not focused on building his mansion. >> that's a nice place. >> humongous. >> a great play by curtis granderson. diving catch by granderson. mark teixeira hits one, upper deck shot. >> these kids. these kids are freed of the worries of money and accountants like the red sox have to worry about. these kids doing it for the love of the game. these are the boys of summer. >> curtis granderson breaks a 3-3 tie. yankees win, 6-3.
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they remain undefeated at 1-0. >> they played at the mall, right? >> they did. the food court. look at this finish, reds/brewers, ninth inning, two outs. >> ramon hernandez blasting a three-run opposite field walkoff home run. >> what a great way to start the season. >> this could be their year. they won the division last year. dusty baker likes what he sees. >> i asked him how the cardinals are going to do. he said they're like the fourth best team in their own division. they're hurt, their arms are falling off. is it really that bad? >> he's the most pessimistic human being on the face of the earth. >> there's a dark side to everything, dark cloud, dark cloud. >> let's see what happened yesterday. >> expectation. >> a wild day one, st. louis between the cardinals and padres. ninth inning, two outs, cardinals one pitch away from the win but maybe bill is right.
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>> oh, you're kidding. >> a game-tieing three-run home run. go to extra innings. >> maven comes through again. moves the runner over. cardinals make a huge mistake on the relay. where you going? >> what are you doing? >> what's he doing? >> from first base he scores. >> what's that guy doing? >> oh, bill wolf, i'm so sorry. >> you can't throw ahead of the runner? they didn't teach you that when you were 7 years old? he lays it in to second base. it rolled in there. >> he was like this from center field. he rolled it in. >> watch out for mike barnicle. >> i think barack obama could throw it better than that. >> sorry, honey. go to sleep. >> the new york mets taking the field today against the florida marlins. they'll be in south florida. >> go, mets. >> last night chris rock was on letterman and tells us what it's like to cheer for a team that's
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broke. >> i'm a met fan. i appreciate the yankees. don't get me wrong. it's like rooting for steve jobs to hit the lott to or something. i'm a met fan. the team's broke. some teams don't have a closer or a pitcher. my team has no money, dave. second base is a manhole cover, dave. >> really? >> between every inning they use the other team's gloves. yankees got bat day. the mets got bring a bat day. >> love it. >> it will be a long season in new york. >> poor phil griffin. >> he loves the mets. >> some people pick them to finish dead last. >> go, mets. i'm adopting the mets right now. the city of detroit and the mets. go, detroit, go, mets. >> i like the stadium. we'll go there. >> let's all go there. still ahead, a preview of "meet the press" with david gregory, plus, the moment you've
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rebels were trying to fire a mortar but they didn't secure the mortar to the ground so it fired wildly off to the side. the other case, they -- i'm not making this up -- they fired a rocket in the wrong direction. not toward gadhafi forces but backwards into a civilian city. >> it's okay. just when we arm them, we're going to make sure we include the instructions to the weapons. >> yeah, that's a problem. 46 past the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." time now for the must-read opinion pages. >> what you got?
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>> "washington post," in search of the obama doctrine, michael gerson. he writes this. as a candidate obama defined his approach as the opposite of everything bush. whatever the issue, obama would be the photographic negative. as president, obama's foreign policy has been slowly evolving toward the views of his predecessor. obama's pride will not allow him to admit it. his rhetorical imposition obscures it. but behind the fog is the bush doctrine. i disagree with that. >> can we also read david brooks, is that okay? >> right now? go ahead. >> chris, not that it matters, we have t.j. up in there. >> this is from david brooks, the defection track. the policy that the administration publicly describes as constricted and inplausible. the multilateral force would try to prevent a humanitarian zaft freret air. it remains ambiguous about what would happen next, what our goals are, our attitude toward
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the gadhafi regime is. what an exit strategy might be. fortunately the policy of the obama administration is implementing is more flexible and thought-through. >> all right. mika, you, i guess agree more with david brooks? >> do i. >> than michael gerson? >> i think they've been really trying to -- obviously the intention is not to put boots on the ground. the intention is not to get completely engage. the intention is to try to keep this from the definition of war as much as possible, where i think that's a little unclear. i think the intentions and what they're doing so far is completely in line with obama's foreign policy that he promised this country when he was running for president. >> when he ran for president, he didn't -- if his main point, if you looked at the stuff he said was basically i won't do stupid stuff. >> i won't go out there. t. wasn't any deeper than that. it was also, i think what people were looking for, not that i won't go out, not that i won't try something. not that i won't intervene, i won't do stupid stuff. >> right. >> so we're putting our money on
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his not doing stupid stuff. you know, i think it's a good bet. >> and jon meacham, george bush obviously very ideological in his foreign policy. this is a little bit messy. but, again, we elected a president who didn't promise -- or didn't suggest that he had an overarching ideology regarding foreign intervention. >> president bush's foreign policy, the ideology of it real l really only took force and shape after the attacks of september 11th. this is a man who said he was not interested in mission creed and mission building. that changed after the attacks. he would argue he was responding to events and trying to orient the foreign policy in a way that would protect the country. that's his argument. president obama makes an argument about multilateralism and wanting to be part of the
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world, but he does what he wants to do. and manages, i think, to dress it very eloquently as ever in multilateralism. i think gerson is on to something. i think president obama, like all presidents, has found that things look different from that side of the december zblk willie? >> i have a must-read tweet for you. >> oh, my. >> oh, good. >> there's a video on youtube making the rounds all over the web right now. >> the babies talking to eacher. >> i love that. >> no, not that one. it was a good one. it was shot in november 2009 on election day here in the state of new jersey. two kids, little boys went with their parents to the polls. they wanted to vote for chris christie and be governor of the state of new jersey. watch this. >> why are you crying? >> because i want to be the governor. >> why can't you be the
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governor? >> because -- [ inaudible ]. >> what's making you so sad? >> because everyone tells me that i'm too small to be the governor of new jersey. >> so he's upset that he's too small to be governor. governor christie tweeted a response. don't worry, jesse, people gave plenty of reasons why i couldn't be governor, being too small is not one of them. a tweet from governor chris christie of new jersey. >> by the way, there's a new poll out of new jersey regarding chris christie and, you know, he's been more popular than president obama for some time. i'd say over the past year in new jersey. no more. president obama's approval rating 46% in new jersey. governmenter christie, 40%. i suspect that has a lot to do with a lot of things going on inside new jersey and out. >> willie's week in review is
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is it time? >> it's time. >> i'm excited. >> at long last. it's time for the top three stories of the week. where else could we begin than with richard simmons? >> hi, everybody. let's go! >> at number three, airplane safety in dolphin shorts. >> these lights lead you to the exit. come on, everyone, let's pony. >> richard simmons, the man who
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taught us to sweat to the oldies is now teaching passengers to assume the crash position. >> it's called the duck. flat feet, hands on your head and duck on down. >> in a departure from the stale safety message that everyone now ignores before takeoff while firing off one last e-mail or ordering a set of garden nomes, simmons employs bedazzled tank tops and candy striped short-shorts. >> this is nonsmoking. it's a safety hazard. the captain says, let's kick butt! >> richard simmons, the new face and the old thighs of commercial airline safety. >> stretch and slide. yeah! you're a giraffe. at number two, dui as a way of life. >> these dui laws are not doing our small businesses in our
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state any good. >> montana state congressman allen hail took the bold position this week that strict dui laws are just plain bad business in big sky country. >> they're destroying a way of life that has been in montana for years and years. >> despite the congressman's rousing speech on the floor, the tough new dui laws passed in montana. leaving mr. hail nostalgic for a simpler and drunker time. >> there's only two ways to get there, you hitchhike or drive. they're not going to hitchhike. >> and the number one story of the week -- >> i refuse to wait for the images of slaughter and mass graves before taking action. >> president obama makes the case for war in libya. sorry, not war. what are we calling this thing action? >> off youly it's military action. >> which brings us to our continuing coverage of turd sandwich in libya.
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>> if this is not a war, then why may we ask were the news anchors in libya holding ak-47s while they did traffic and weather together? with questions about what we're doing in libya and who exactly we're backing there, president obama confessed that this little war -- >> it's military action. >> my bad, man. the president confessed that this military action will not be a stroll in the desert. >> it's going to be a bumpy ride. >> a bumpy ride for which the united states had better buckle its seat belts. isn't that right, richard simmons? >> when the seat belt sign comes on, buckle it in. grab, click, pull. grab, click, pull. ♪ >> what airline is that. >> air new zealand. >> i won't be flying with them. >> just when you thought air travel couldn't get worse, it can. wow. >> there's only two ways to get there, willie. >> hitchhiking or driving. >> and they're not hitchhiking.
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here's the bottom line. democrats are rooting for a government shutdown. we're listening to the people who sent us here to cut spending so we can grow our economy. as i said from the beginning, our goal is to cut spending, not
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shut down the government. you've heard a lot of talk over the last 24 hours. there's no agreement on numbers and nothing will be agreed to until everything is agreed to. >> welcome back to "morning joe." we're talking to ari fleischer who's here. this is kind of old home week, isn't it? you were there in '59 during the shutdown. >> i was. >> think we're heading that way again? >> i sure hope not. i think one of the things republicans have going for them this year is they need to learn one of the lessons of '95 and no one to declare victory. republicans are doing what we've always talked about doing, we are cutting spending. give us a senate, the white house, we'll do more. for one third of the government, they're doing great. >> how much are they cutting? >> they're talking between $30 billion and $40 billion over one year. here's another kicker in this one year to put in perspective. the year we're talking about
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began on october 1st 2010. >> this is left over from last year. >> the challenge is they're focusing on 10% or 11% of the budget or the discretionary domestic spending. are they going to have the guts to xpaned it out and talk about social security, medicare, medicaid, pentagon spending where the real money is? >> sure they will. that's coming next week. saw saw that from the chairman of the sous budget committee. republicans are actually trying to make real reductions. >> what they didn't do from 2001 to 2009 when they lost power. what's happening between boehner and the freshman right now? it seems like there's a real split. again, that happened between gingrich and us when we were there. this is democracy in action. >> isn't it funny, newt by the way, you'll get this joke. newt was shooting at us for being too conservative. >> we were shooting at newt, too. >> we were.
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now newt goes back to the hill and trying to side with the freshman and making boehner's life more difficult. were you surprised he did that? >> in our system there will always be an inherent tension. that's part of caucus politics. the democrats have on their side, the republicans have it on theirs. the task is for them to come together own do something about it. >> were you surprised that newt went up to the hill and undermined john boehner. >> he didn't undermine john boehner. >> he did. >> they have to hold out for as much as they can. they know that. they don't need newt to tell them that. the real test for the freshman is at what point to say we declare victory. the art of declaring victory is essential in this business. >> do we have the sound bite? here is gingrich on the hill.
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>> their goal should be to avoid a shutdown while not giving in on their core principles. they can't walk into a room and have president obama think that they can be blackmailed by yelling the word shutdown. i think they should seek to keep the government open. i think they should try to find ways to pass continuing resolutions that can be signed. but i don't think they can allow president obama to reject the outcome of the 2010 election and dictate on his terms what he'll do. >> bring back memories or -- >> not good. not good. he was, i think, ari would even admit when he was speaker he was a volatile leader. you never knew what was going to happen. you'd be in the middle of a fight. you almost would win that fight and then he would say, well, we might not have shut down the government if they had given me a better seat on the airplane. >> was in a lot of those meetings. one guy that did stand up to
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newt? >> who's that. >> john boehner. >> boehner did? >> yes, did he. he was head of the republican conference at the time. newt didn't often like to hear it. john had the courage to do it. >> now, newt's getting back at him. jon meacham, talk about boehner. we were talking yesterday, we were surprised by how john boehner has been a steadying influence. nobody really expected that from him. i know i certainly underestimated him. i didn't think he would do as well as he's done. he has been a steadying force for this republican caucus. >> he has. i think the one reason for it is he has to balance the freshman who make you all look like establishme establishmentarians. to maintain order he has to be stronger or he looks as though he's been, i think, taken out by the new guys.
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>> how serious is that, ari? it's a big media story but is the tea party faction really tugging at the more moderate elements of the house? >> if we have to spend less and make someone a fire brand, i want more fire. what's wrong with saying that? we need to hear it. the republican party needed the kick in the pants they're giving. they still have to learn the art of compromise because that is what our american system is built on. they'll have to get to that point. it's still a test. i love what they're doing. >> is that divide real in the house between the tea party element and the more moderate republican? >> sure. that will always be a faction between the conservatives and the moderates or the liberals and moderates. it's inherent in our democracy. it's actually healthy. >> it's not that big of a deal. it's really not. one of the problems during the bush years is everybody fell in line behind bush that. >> was okay. >> you didn't mind that. there wasn't that divide and we saw the deficit explode for a lot of different reasons. everybody was being friends with everybody. the bush administration was
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going along with the appropriation chairman. it was a might mare. when you have this sort of friction -- i'll also say, what it's nancy pelosi did not have. too many people fell in line with nancy pelosi and didn't stand up to her. here, this is a very positive thing. i think it's very positive, john. where you've got republicans fighting it out among themselves, they get to the right number and then they have this -- it's also good and newt would do this, this is the one thing newt did well during the '90s. he would play us, the freshmen, the fire brands, off of clinton. say i can't control them. you know what, scarborough is crazy, he sets his hair on fire in every caucus meeting. i can't control him. that is actually a very good tool for a speaker where he can say, together we have to work this out. >> do you agree that boehner looks more moderate, more statesman-like because of the atmospherics and the reality of
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the tea party? >> it puts him in a good position. and newt's problem was, he had us, he could have played off of us bet wirt press, ari. but it was usually newt that we were having to clean up after. and boehner doesn't make those mistakes. >> right. >> those unforced errors that newt always made. boehner doesn't make them. >> the power of the speaker is best used if it's diffuse. if you lay it on one body be it's too much. it will collapse any speaker, it will collapse newt. john boehner has opened up the debate. that's made him more powerful. here's what we're not talking about here. where's president obama? they are one-third of the government. harry reid has been given a hall pass for governance. he's not doing anything. >> mika, let me ask you that. >> and where's barack obama? he's our leader. >> mika, we've been pushing the republicans now for four, five months saying are they going to do it, are they going to have the guts? paul ryan will put the budget
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out next week. >> i look forward to that. >> we'll have that answer because they'll look at the preliminary numbers. wow! now here's the next question. do you think barack obama is going to have the courage to do what -- who's here all the time saying he's going to do it three months from now? >> halperin. >> mark halperin has been predicting the grand bargain for five years now. will barack obama have the courage to go after, to save medicare, medicaid, social security and pentagon spending? >> sure, i think he has the courage to do it. i think also politically your advice would be to look at the republicans and say, okay, this is your platform. this has been your message. cough it up. >> hold on a second. stop, stop, stop. okay. they're doing that. >> well -- >> they're going to do that next week. here's my question, mika. >> we'll see. >> stay with me. >> yes. >> after they do that, is barack obama, it will be put up or shut up time for barack obama. is he going to do what democrats
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like bill clinton have done in the past and demagogue the issue or is he going to actually come forward? do you think he will come forward with reductions in medicare, medicaid, social security? >> i think he's going to have to make the very difficult decision, which is never clear, to make responsible cuts. to make responsible cuts and keep this country moving forward. >> do you think he'll do that in entitlements? >> i have no idea whether he'll do that or not. we'll see what the republicans come up with first. it really depends on what they come up with. so far their cuts have only been what everybody else hasn't had the guts to do, which is from the little piece of the pie that does affect the future of this country and gets in the way. it doesn't attack the real core of the problem. >> ask you, joe, how much does the 2012 presidential race play into his decision whether or not to go after that? taking things away from potential voters. >> i think it is the moment of truth for barack obama. he's talked about himself. he likes to think of himself as
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the smartest man, not only in the room but in washington, d.c. he is the professor who is above it all. he is the one -- oh, talk radio and bloggers and cable, i'm above all of that. they're children. now is his chance. he's going to get a chance and we're going to see whether he is the transcend figure he likes to think himself as being. >> i think weir we'll see if the republicans are true to their platform. >> mika, it's obvious and it's out there already. we're had cantor come on. we've had ryan come on. >> saying everything is on the table. >> we've had boehner come on. no, no, they have specifically said we're going to go after social security, medicare, medicaid, pentagon spending. they have all said it. they said they're going after entitlements. jon meacham, you're a presidential historians of sorts. does this president, do you think he's going -- this is his moment. would you agree with me, this is his moment and we'll see whether he is serious or not about
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taking care of this country economically? >> yes, i think this year given the basic stabilization after the '08-'09 and the fact -- i keep talking about this, the simpson bowles deal, suggestions, gives everybody cover. >> they were his ideas. he rejected them all. >> do i agree with that. >> i think that is say huge thing. and this is why the stuff we're talking about is the reason 20% of the country thinks we're on the right track, because they don't care about the republican caucus doing "x" and the president doing "y." they want the system to work. >> if you were writing a book on barack obama. >> right. >> and you know, past his prologue, for most presidents you can tell what they're going to do in office based on their character before they get in office. judging over the past two years, judging over his past 20 years,
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is this a president that will have what it takes to tell the american people the truth? this is just math. the numbers don't add up for social security, medicare or medicaid. >> my fear in this is that this could be a not particularly successful teach-in. if you're talking about past his prologue. the president is extremely analytical and as we all know, you know, he can tell you every side and every element of an issue. he prides himself on being able, as he puts it, to argue your position the way you would do it. so that he shows that he cares. and he understands. but at some point, this to answer it historically, but at some point you have to pass something and you have to get involved in the nitty-gritty of the politics. and right now, we're very clear that the president sees everything. but, no, he has not yet stepped
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in. >> do you expect him to step forward on entitlements and defense spending? >> i sure hope so. i've seen no reason to make anybody think he will. gallup come up with a new poll. the amount of people he's a strong leader is dropping and dropping fast. this is one reason why. i spent 15 years in the legislative branch, 2 1/2 in the executive. the facts are if the president doesn't lead, it doesn't get done. he had a commission on entitlements as you just pointed out. he ignored it when it came out. the state of the union. he gave it lip service in the state of the union. now we'll find out next week where the president is. so far, his record is being a pirnt on all these big issues. he waits, pauses, holds his cards close to his vest and he acts too late, too little, too late or not at all. on the budget, if he doesn't do it, it won't happen. >> you guys are clear there will be very, very complete, significant cuts to entitlements in the republican plan?
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>> the interesting thing about entitlements, what you can do is increase the rate of growth at a slower pace, especially on social security. there will be more money spent on social security, just not as much more. in washington, they call it a cut. in the real world, it's called a slower increase. >> let me ask mika going to break, why are the presidents numbers falling? you know, he was at 50% after the grand bargain in december. he's now at about 44% 45%. a lot of other numbers like ari said. >> would you say those numbers are relative to history, low? >> it's moderately low. >> i think he's where ragen was in '83. reagan won 49 states. i'm compare iing to -- >> he's higher than carter was. >> i'm wonnering what's happening over the last month? >> i think actually people don't feel much about the libya intervention. i think they feel a lot about, oh, no, this is going to be more
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of the same. which sun employment, difficult housing market. problems here at home. a crumbling infrastructure and it just feels like we're putting off again the priorities of home. and i'm not speaking for myself but i'm speaking for what i hear out on the road. from a lot of people. i ask people at events that we go to how they feel about the direction of this country and if they're happy. nobody raises their hand. nobody. >> nobody raises their hand. >> that ends up falling on the president, whether it's fair or not. >> by the way, just for the record, that's not mika's point of view. i have the white house talking points right here. they just came in. that's not on there. so willie, this was not what -- >> jay carney, to mika. >> what does verbatim mean? what does that mean? >> frank luntz to break down the 2012 contenders. >> he's got a book out, have you noticed? >> the moderator of "meet the
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press," the very dapper david gregory will be with us to review this week's top stories. and then someone who's not looking good. >> wow, bill karins, you really -- will you take it personally if i tell you you and your forecast suck? which one is worse, the forecast or me? >> the forecast. >> that's good. it's a gloomy, murky april 1st. it's miserable out there today. it's not fun. it doesn't feel like spring yet. the weekend will be better. at least we're getting it out of the way on a friday. rain up and down the i-59 busy corridor from washington, d.c. to baltimore. raining pretty good in philly. 45-minute airport delays in philadelphia. the snow is north of the mass pike from pittsfield to worcester. we've had significant snow. that's shifting up into new hampshire. also snowing pretty good around glenns falls, sayre together aga and albany, new york. we'll call for the heaviest snows up in maine and new hampshire. that's who gets nailed. the roads should be just fine.
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today, rainy, gloomy but the weekend looks better. beautiful weather in the middle of the country. dallas at 86. florida's great finally. still a slight chance of storms in chicago. as we go through the week and it dries out in the east coast, even d.c. should enjoy a pretty nice saturday and sundays. you're watching "morning joe," brewed by starbucks. [ sneezes ] allergies? you think i have allergies? you're sneezing. i'm allergic to you. doubtful, you love me. hey, you can't take allegra with fruit juice. what? yeah, it's on the label. really? here, there's nothing about juice on the zyrtec® label. what? labels are meant to be read. i'd be lost without you. i knew you weren't allergic to me. [ sneezes ] you know, you can't take allegra with orange juice.
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61 1/2 billion, that's where the fight came on on hr-1, the first cr. all right. so let's fight on that then. that's ground we've taken. let's hold it. >> it's time toe pick a fight. >> if liberals in the senate would rather play political games and shut down the government instead of making a small down payment on fiscal discipline and reform, i say shut it down. this is a defining moment for the new majority in congress. not that $61 billion in cuts is anything to write home about.
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>> cutting $61 billion "s" in my opinion is say starting point. it is not the goal. >> welcome back to "morning joe." bring the way, we're looking at the white house right now. chris just told us that the latest gallup poll has barack obama sitting at 49%, disapproval 43%. everything we said last segment, just forget about it. thanks for not telling me that last segment, chris. >> yeah. >> she's never reviewed this, i can say this. i love her. i'm not ashamed to say i love her. but jon meacham, sometimes it's just better to keep your mouth shut, isn't it? i speak of this controversy around the kennedy mini series which the kennedy family friends -- what network was it on? >> maybe it was showtime or something like that 7 history,
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history. it got killed. that churned up attention. now stanley is reviewing the kennedy documentary or the mini series. it's going to be on what network? reelz channel. >> willie, i think, "way too early" is simulcast. how do you tell clients who are passionate about something to stifle? >> right. >> this reminds me so much of, remember the reagan movie? >> yes. the reagan documentary. >> james brolin and judy davis was mrs. reagan. it just, you know, i probably wouldn't have watched it on cbs but i sure watched it on cable because of the controversy. it's a tough call. >> let's go to david gregory right now. >> joining us now, moderator of "meet the press." >> we're going to david gregory in washington, d.c.
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you went to the nats game yesterday, man, in horrible weather. how did it go? t. was great to be there. i got a split, my nats loss but my dodgers won. it was 0 degrees and raining. it was not exactly springtime in washington. but the nats lost 2-0 to a very good atlanta braves team. they showed signs of progress. >> the nats are coming. al hunt predicted they will win it all in 2014. >> here's my bet with firl griffin, the president of msnbc. that the nats will do better than the mets. >> that's not a hard bet, is it? that's just like saying there's not going to be a clean and speedyending to the libya conflict. what's the president's next move in libya? >> it's still to stay a course of getting out of libya, trying to lead from behind the scenes. i think that -- i read something
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in the economist that i thought was right on, if this is more repudiation of the powell doctrine than president bush's approach to foreign policy. if you break it, you own it. the president does not want to own this thing. he doesn't want to arm the libyan rebels. he wants to put as much pressure through an international order as he can on the libyan regime to either keep him in his box or force him ultimately from power. i think we're moving into a new phase where the president is saying we can have limited goals, define those goals and achieve those goals and walk away without owning the entire country. >> let's go from libya to what's happening here at home. obviously a lot of back and forth on capitol hill on a budget deal. is there a grand compromise down the road? >> well, two points. first of all you played all that sound from the tea party. i think you've got to look at what's happening immediately on the funding for this year, which is still what we're talking about. it sounds like they are nearing
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an agreement that the tea party enwon't necessarily like and speaker boehner will probably need democratic votes to get done. he'll have to say to the tea party, look, we got something, let's focus on the budget fight next year. paul ryan comes out with a budget. you talked about medicare earlier. they'll talk about a voucher program for medicare. that's when the president will have an opportunity to frame this debate on the budget. my reporting indicates that rather than, you know, suggest how they're going to cut medicare right now, i think he's going to try frame the debate and frame the -- define the republicans as being too extreme in their cuts. >> do you believe the president, your reporting, does it suggest the president is going to do what bill clinton did to republicans in the mid-'90s and engage in what we called mediscare, where he said i'll protect the poor senior citizens from the mean-spirited republicans? >> he can't quite do it in the same ways.
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the needs are different. bill daly and david plouffe are disciplined as how the president should present himself as he gets into re-election. i don't think that includes biting off huge entitlement overhaul right now or before you get to a second term. now, this may be kind of rope-a-doping in the end. he ultimately does something. right now this is headed towards casting republicans. republicans have completely driven this debate over spending. they are in charge here. the pros has done little to frame this debate over spending for this year, again, setting aside the budget fight for next year. he has not framed it for this year. and i think that that's been a missed opportunity. >> pulitzer prize winner and swanny resident, jon meacham. >> that's a good caption. david, do you think this is about the white house's
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passivity, if that's an acceptable word, has to do with a vacuum of democratic leadership on the hill? >> that's an interesting question. i actually don't think that's the case. i think this is -- i think there are actually in concert here. where they keep wanting to draw the republicans out, let them put everything on the table, let the tea party rallies go. the argument is going to be, by the way, they foreshadowed this six months ago, the tea party will ultimately drive the republican party to become too extreme and force independent voters back into the arms of president obama come re-election time. i think that's the argument that will be made about deficit reduction. what neither party has done very ek fively in the budget fight is keep a laser-like focus on jobs right now. we have the jobs report coming out later today. that's where the president would like to be. but republicans are not talking about that. they're talking about the relationship between getting our fiscal house in order and job creation. >> david, you always have the best guests on "meet the press."
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>> i know. >> if it's sundays, what is it? >> it's "meet the press." >> exactly. i don't know how you get the guests you get, coming up this sunday on "meet the press," this one is special, one of the better ones. the guy wearing the "a" hat in the background is going to be your lead guest. i seriously, how your bookers do this -- >> preview for us what are you going to have? >> he's going to take the cap off. >> no way. >> maybe he'll tell us what the "a" stands for. i have my thoughts on that. >> who else do you have? >> we'll talk to senator dick durbin about the latest on the budget and libya with the intelligence committees chair in the house, congressman rogers, our roundtable, too, will focus on the budget, libya and energy policy. >> okay. very good. that is the a-team on sunday. >> go dodgers, thank you for being with us, david.
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all right. welcome back to "morning joe." you're going to like this
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because you love the "hangover." >> america loved "the hangover." >> libya can wait. we have important business. >> we're doing this for bradley. >> i like bradley. >> bradley cooper had the number one movie in america. >> did you see "adjustment bureau". >> loved it. >> emily blunt, matt damon. >> damon is getting to the point where if he's in it, it will be great. >> "the hangover" biggest grossing comedy. "hangover 2" is coming out in may. >> is bill clinton in this one? >> it turns out he's not in it. >> let's watch some of the trailer. ♪ i want to see you in the morning ♪ >> your hair is gone. >> no. >> i'm scared. >> stew, come on, get up, we have a situation.
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>> where are we? >> you're going to frequent out but it's going to be okay. >> is it my teeth? >> this say real tattoo! >> what did you do? >> i didn't do anything. >> ah! oh, geez. >> it's a monkey. >> there are parts of that trailer so funny we can't show them here. it's going to be good. early reports out of hollywood is that it's testing off the charts. >> off the charts. >> first one did, too, right? >> "hangover 2." >> stay in it for bradley. >> i like bradley but i can't -- >> seriously, all you need to know about mika's terrible take, she walked out of "wedding crashers." if you walk out of that, you hate america. you hate america if you don't like "wedding crashers." >> i walked out of "wedding crashers" and turned off
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"hangover." >> joey tells me this, i need confirmation. is will ferrell really going to be a regular on "the office"? >> that could work. >> it's just through -- there are only a few episodes left, but through the end of the season. >> seriously, i -- that's appointment tv. i cannot miss that. >> i thought it was last night. i stayed up to watch it and it was a rerun. >> i'm going to watch all of them this week. >> coming up, digger phelps and jay bilas. jay bilas said vcu should not be in the tournament. guess where they are now? in the final four. >> and coming up, jack luntz joins the conversation. we'll be right back on "morning joe." i'm good about washing my face.
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the snake was a very big story in new york, so big that it somehow managed even to squirm its way into the weather report. >> snakey snakey. snakey snakey. snakey -- we've got something for you! i'm going to pound you with two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen. as we stroll on in through the night time hours and then i'm going to drop the snow hammer upon you. upon that scaly little tail pipe of yours. >> glenn beck is a meteorologist now, too? >> wow. welcome back to "morning joe." >> that was real. >> no, it wasn't.
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>> accuweather.com. >> i think it was real. >> no. >> by the way, look at this, i'm telling you, they should have run the damn mini series. now it's "the washington post" that has it on the front of -- >> this is free media. >> this is the most amazing free media all because -- >> oh, my god. >> supporters of the kennedys killed it when it was on showtime or something. now it's on reelz and stanley is reviewing in the front of the "times" style section and arts section. now "the washington post," the same thing. >> wow. >> here with us now, frank luntz, author of the new win "win: the key principles to take your business from ordinary to extraordinary." i like it. >> thank, you obviously work for -- you help a lot of companies help a lot of personalities, politicians in the past. talk about, if you will, the
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effective communication skills that winners have in common. what are some of the common traits? >> it's amazing to me how people can get to a certain level of success and then never be able to take it to that final level because they don't have the right words or phrases and they don't now how to communicate. the opening statement is more powerful than the closing statement. asking people questions rather than inviting them to ask you questions. >> why is the opening statement more persuasive and important than the closing statement? we grow up believing that the closing statement is when perry mason gets everybody to break down. >> it's your thesis. >> you close the deal. >> how old are you? er -- perry mason went off the air in world war ii. >> i'm 87. >> you don't get to hear perry mason's closing statement if the opening statement didn't turn you on.
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you know that from the clip that you just showed. people won't stay longer unless they know they'll be entertained, they'll laugh. >> you lead with the strongest word. >> the strongest word is imagine. i'm waiting for somebody to capture that word. if i ask you to imagine the life of perfection, the four of you will have a different reaction, a different picture in your brain and it's not my picture. imagine life at perfection is your vision, not mine. that's effective communication. >> what are some other strong words? you're not just talking about how to talk, you're talking about the content as well. >> when there's 119 specific words and phrases, i get it, that phrase i get it is not said sufficiently by ceos and political people. no excuses. we don't want to know why barack obama isn't sitting down with the republicans. this is where the gop is making a mistake. they keep asking where's barack obama? nobody cares.
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what they want is just get it done. that idea of accomplishing something. and the most powerful at the end is the close. let's get to work. that's the call to action. so all through the communication you're looking at the right words, right phrases and that intensity. and it's this interactive communication which i'm not doing right now, which is to ask you questions rather than you asking me. >> what are the most common mistakes people make? these are great pieces of advice but i think you wouldn't be writing this book if people didn't struggle with this. what are the common mistakes? >> first one is that leaders go way, way, way too long. we now have the attention span of a gnat. >> they like hearing themselves speak, is what what you're saying? >> yes. >> they love the applause but the nodding of heads is often more powerful than applause. point two is that they will read something. i don't want to look at a teleprompter. i want to look you straight in
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the eye and lean into you. lean in, i want to make sure that i connect with you and my leaning in and you've got that look in your eye right now, you're paying attention. you're focused on what i'm saying. that's effective communication. it doesn't matter what i say in the segment, what matters is what you and listeners hear. >> what i'm seeing actually is eye contact where if you're reading something or if you're going with some sort of -- this is something we don't read here and kind of go by a framework. >> i can't. >> i'm blind. you don't read. there you go. the bottom line is, the net result is that we actually connect. >> right. >> on the air, which i don't think a lot of people do. >> one of the keys to win is to know who not to communicate with. there are going to be people who will be opposed to you no matter what you say. don't talk to them. don't trigger them. let them go. there are some republicans who will never vote democrat and some democrat who will never vote republican. let it go.
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your most important segment out there of the population, if it's politics, are those who are supporters but not believers. supporters who agree with you but they won't do anything with that agreement. to motivate those people, turn them into active doers, that's the power of communication. >> willie. >> what about the concept of authenticity, which is so important for a politician. if you fill their heads with talking points and need to describe an issue this way or that way, voters start to see through that. how do you internalize these ideas and be who you are when you're speaking? >> that's perfect. in the work that i do, i never write the script for them. i always insist they do the first draft. i do. i work for 30 ceos of the fortune 100 or 200. it has to begin with them, it's got to be in their heart and head. then i can give them more powerful words, accountability, personal responsibility,
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measurable results. there are certain words that transcend all of us but it's got to start from their own heart. by the way, the last chapterer in here is principles. because in the end, what good is success if you're a bad person? >> let me ask you about republicans. the republican field having a terrible time, potential, having a terrible time connecting with the american people. doing any of these things that you're suggesting -- >> even identifying a candidate. >> i'll give you the two great rhetorical questions that i say to them. this is how you begin your presentation. are you better off -- this is interesting for you. are you better off than your parents were when they were at your age? >> i don't know how you rate quality of life. >> you rate it. >> are you talking about material wealth. >> i would say it's about equal. >> better. >> better. >> better. >> 75% say better. only 10% say worse. then when i ask the question will your children or the next generation's quality of life be better than yours? what would you say. >> better.
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>> better. >> it's going to be tough. >> it's going to be tough. >> they're in the vast majority right now. something went wrong with you that you're so optimistic. >> they are trying to use data. >> but here's the key to the communication, which is by asking us two rhetorical questions you're getting opinions, something from the audience back to you, then you can respond to it. too many republican candidates are pushing information out. they want to be pulling it in. that's win, that's successful communication. >> how is the president doing on these attributes? >> the president's communication in 2008 was the best of any presidential candidate but not as president. it's as though he left it all on inauguration day. >> why is that? why? >> in the end it's not just words that matter. it's the principles, ideas and policies behind it. his words connected with the vast majority of americans but the policies don't. >> they still like him like they liked reagan, right?
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welcome back to "morning joe." 54 past the hour and here with us now, the director of a film that sheds new light on autism. academy award winner joins us here and today is the first day of national autism awareness month. you made an interesting transition while we're talking about eye contact, because that's a difficulty for children and adults are autism. >> this film kind of deconstructs the fantasies, people who have autism as lacking social skills. in fact, in this film, you see larry and tracy have difficulty making eye contact, their compassionate. >> who are the wretches and jabberers in the film? >> the wretches are the the people with autism and we're a
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group of jabberers right here. the film is a look inside the lives of adults with autism. this is the generation forgotten. often identified with childhood schizophrenia and in the case of larry who lived in a mental institution, these are people smarter than us. they didn't have language. so later in life, they learned to communicate by typing. it's really taking people on a journey, literally. we go to sri lanka, finland, japan, visiting other people. >> i've got a son that has aspergers, so we've been hooked into that community, but this is like a lost generation.
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>> it really is. >> they just -- nobody paid attention. >> it's a lost generation and the big concern now is we have a generation of kids who have gotten services now going into adult life and these services are not available for adults in terms of housing, employment. people don't think about employing someone with autism and that's a big area that needs to change. >> are the number of people with autism, has it really exploded or are we just diagnosing it now? >> it really is that, larry's a perfect case. diagnosed as childhood schizophrenia. mentally retarded. autism as a label was defining a very narrow group of people, so people like larry and tracy who didn't speak, now x it's a much
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broader definition. it includes your son. a kid who has small developmental delays, but get better. we've added more and more definitions and expanded the diagnose is. >> is it evidence that picking it up early can help? >> absolutely. >> how? >> it helps because i mean, the key thing is that early, the brain is a very malleable thing. so, when you start making changes early, the brain adjusts. including a child in the community, in schools with other kids. you kind of set a norm. that norm becomes the reality. i've seen a lot of kids, i've seen them at 3, then i see them at 6. >> we were talking about this before. a parent with a child with aspergers, the challenges, whether you mainstream them or take them to a specialty school
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and we mainstreamed andrew and i think it made a huge difference. it's a tough battle. so, what does the government do to support these people in this lost generation? >> what the government's doing now, they're trying to push more employment and housing issues and greater efforts, but this is on the cutting blocks at the state level. >> thank you so much. coming up, ari fleischer and willie's weekend review. [ sneezes ] allergies? you think i have allergies? you're sneezing. i'm allergic to you. doubtful, you love me. hey, you can't take allegra with fruit juice. what? yeah, it's on the label. really? here, there's nothing about juice on the zyrtec® label. what? labels are meant to be read. i'd be lost without you. i knew you weren't allergic to me.
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our weak president that kisses everybody's ass is in more wars than we've seen. he's in libya, afghanistan, iraq. nobody respects us and nobody respects our leadership. >> okay, no nuke for -- >> what, could i do worse? you're talking about me like i'm a warmonger. >> i'm not talking. i'm just asking the questions. >> this guy got a nobel peace prize and everybody time i look, he's going into another country. we have to do something about childbirth, opec. we cannot have oil at $105. we have nobody to speak to these guys. messager is the key. if you have the right messager.
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>> what, you scare them? >> absolutely. >> surprise. >> the mere threat of doing that and they know -- >> then why hadn't obama or bush done it? >> because they don't have the capacity to do it. maybe they're not smart enough, tough enough. they should absolutely be doing it cht very tough for our xaeps to compete with chinese. they manipulate their currency and when you manipulate a currency, they're professionals at it. >> china's going to say, we're going to do what we want. >> very simple. 25% tax on china unless they behave. two things, really, three. we'll create jobs in this country, number one. two, china's going to come to the table. >> but you're threatening china with a trade. that's big. >> bill, they're threatening us. >> all right.
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live look from the top of the rock. a very rainy, foggy, dreary day on the east coast. it's 8:00 on the east coast and the first day of april and that shot we showed you is not an april fool's joke. >> it's that miserable. >> i cried when i opened by front door this morning. return to the set, we have john meacham and back with us, former white house press secretary and head of ari fleischer communicati communications, ari fleischer. >> so, donald trump, talked to him yesterday. i really think he is serious about running. i thought like a lot of people it was pr. there was an apprentice promo. he is seriously thinking about running. >> are there any other candidates out there, ari, republican candidates that could really step up to the plate with name recognition? >> sure.
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whoever the nominee is will have 100%. go back four years ago. nobody thought barack obama was going to be the nominee. this is way too early to start handicapping it. >> i thought it was late. >> for people who declare candidacies. it is early for the maneuvering and position going into a successful primary run. it won't get settled for almost a year. >> your thoughts on donald trump. >> say he decides to spend 600, $700 million. >> i'm sorry, i think donald trump is making a full of himself. when you look at what he did, it is not presidential. you do not go around saying that our current president, who i don't agree with, is kissing people's -- it's just not the temperment people look up to in the oval office. he is going to have to learn to put better one foot forward and with more delicacy.
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>> do you think that's what people feel because he gets mobbed by people. >> of course he does, he's a celebrity. sure, and mike tyson would get mobbed, too. >> people wouldn't ask -- >> no, they wouldn't ask him to run for president, but getting mobbed isn't the driving force. >> he's connecting when we go out and talk to people, they are starting and it's happened over the past two or three weeks. they're starting to bring up his name. i think there is a frustration. you look at the republican field and they see somebody like trump, who is assertive. gail collins disagreed with this comparison, but like ross perot, on the front of his feet. he's talking tough about china. >> that's probably a good analogy. ross perot didn't go very far, did he?
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he was able to achieve a segment -- >> ross perot went full out crazy and got 23% of the vote. >> as a third party candidate. >> if he would have kept it together, i think things could have been interesting. >> that's the point i'm making. there's a temperment that american people look for in a presidential candidate. it's a toned down presentation. you can be a fire brand, it will attract a segment and it's doing that, especially when you're famous and entertaining like donald trump and a media attention grabber like trump. it doesn't trans lit into a majority. >> john meacham? >> i think he's a leading cultural indicator. i think the attention, the reaction you have seen is a sign of how frustrated people are with not just the republican field, but how washington works. frankly, i'm surprised as we talked about mayor bloomberg,
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who has looked at this before. we always at this point, begin to look around at the unconventional people because the conventional folks don't seem to inspire, but the more serious is season gets, the closer it gets, you end up with a more conventional figure. >> we have been talking about chris christie for a while, but he's actually, and i think it's a drag on what's happened in wisconsin and ohio and a lot of different things. >> chris christie, his numbers going down in a matchup with president obama. we talked to people and asked who's the republican standout. his name comes up. there's usually a pause if we're talking to an audience, then his name comes up. >> two points. one, i did an event with a former clinton adviser and he reminded the audience that in 2002, people referred to democrats as the seven dwarfs.
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this stage, they're sampling the menu of candidates and elections, the great churning, controversies, great tests of a primary, typically, a strong leader emerges from that muddled field. >> is this muddled field going threw an identity crisis? >> this year, there's no front-runner. >> shouldn't mitt romney be the prumed front-runner? doesn't it speak volumes that we're sitting here wringing our hands? >> you're wringing. i'm not. i love the idea logical competition. >> isn't there a problem? should mitt romney be 20 points ahead charging past republicans? >> that's my point. there is no front-runner. you'd think romney, but no
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front-runner. >> you're in the room and conversations are taking place among republicans. who are they excited about that we're not talking about? >> i think the big name is mitch daniels of indiana. governor daniels decides he wants to jump in, he excites a lot of people especially conservatives especially on economic issues. he's delivered in indiana to reduce surpluses through cuts of taxes. he's the real deal. just like chris christie. so, there are names. i don't know if mitch is going to get in. i don't think mitch yet knows, but he's kind of the one name people are holding back. >> let's circle back to trump. he's out there stirring up a lot of attention right now. last night, it was about china. i think he's probably moved beyond the birther issue. but if he's serious about running and narrows his focus, i, we know, i think it will be
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interesting to say the least and i think with his field as weak as it is, he could make a run. >> i think he sees real vel nerability. >> the question will be, he sort of popped through right now because as john said, people are sort of fed up with politicians. they don't say what they mean, they don't do anything in washington. he's seen whether it's true or not, a doer. but we'll see how that wears on american people when they start digging deeper. >> reminds me a little bit of the moment they elected jesse ventura. people were saying if you're going to act like professional wrestlers, we're going to elect one. >> and he was elected. >> but that's my point. the temperment's similar, but in this case, the winning of a presidential, far, far cry. >> totally. my sense is, it's been 50 years
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since the republicans have not nominated the next in line. the goldwater was the only exception. that's a lot of history to run against. >> i think the default is mitt romney. let's talk about libya for a second. we start with ari fleischer's tweets. obama's timing in libya is like gadhafi giving a pregnant woman an epidural the day after she has the baby. he should have acted sooner. what do you mean? >> if barack obama had done what he did now four weeks ago, we may have had a chance to topple gadhafi. the rebels at that point were on the offensive. it was possible that the gadhafi regime would have cracked under the momentum and fear of what the united states -- >> why should we lunge? we jumped first in iraq and made a mistake. >> i disagree with that, joe. i think the fact that saddam hussein is not in this world
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makes it a better place. >> i have on my notes that fleischer said we got it wrong in iraq. >> we got the intelligence wrong and went to war for a reason that turned out to be wrong. >> should we have waited? been more deliberate before we went in there considering that -- >> libya or iraq? >> iraq. you're saying we should have jumped into libya three or four weeks ago. >> tell me now the intelligence that's wrong. when you're told a fakts -- the possession here is that he has biological chemical weapons. >> president bush, god knows, i do not want to refight the iraq war. we're just talk iing about liby and you're saying we should have gone in earlier. seems when the president, the cia chief an the white house and look at the intelligence of president bush and said, this is all you got. >> everybody but everybody
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thought that saddam had biological weapons. >> no, but the president of the united states was skeptical. >> nobody was skeptical at the time. hillary clinton agreed, bill clinton agreed, john kerry ag e agreed. >> no. history -- tell me whether this history is wrong. tennent says, this is what we got on iraq. bush says, is this all you got. says, this is a slam dunk. i agree that official washington and all of the intel communities across the globe -- the president was skeptical. >> no, he wasn't. he accepted at face value what we were told. >> so, that story was not true? so the president -- >> what we didn't have was a picture of the stockpile. >> i'm talking specifically. i need an answer to this question because i don't want to keep repeating this story that is not true. >> the president accepted a
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fact -- that saddam had biological weapons. >> i'm asking about the specific incident and i need you to answer me specifically. did george tennent give -- >> i never heard that. i'm not in the room when tennent briefs bush. i don't remember who reported that fact. the key thing is the truth was we were told he has it. you act on what you're told. >> right. so, we move forward and the only reason i go there this, i'm saying maybe, because i supported the iraq war. like you, when i'm seeing john edwards and hillary clinton and bill clinton and all the intel agency saying he has weapons of mass destruction, of course, i don't think that's a real stretch. but i'm just saying maybe if we had slowed down. >> the two aren't comparable. in libya, it wasn't the case
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that we have intelligence that gadhafi's a bad guy and there's a rebellion underway. the decision in libya is do you stay out because it's not our business or get in if you get in, get in at a time when you can make a meaningful difference. no, we would have had france. england, we would have many ore nations with us at that time. and now, we have some 15 in. we have 40 in iraq. what president obama did, he decided to wait for the united nations and wait too late. he was so conflicted, he didn't want to go in. we should not back in. >> do you think we should have gone in? >> to libya, absolutely, but four weeks ago. i support what the president did because we'll be better off if gadhafi is toppled, but this half a mission is hard to get
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our arms around. >> what should he do from here then because we are where we are. what's the president's move? >> i do agree with him that the united states should not take out gadhafi. in order to be successful in the aftermath, the libyan people have to feel the ownership of this and the president's right about that, but we should be more aggressive, more assertive behind the scene, arming the rebels indeed, even though we don't know who they are, when we arm afghans, we took down the soviet union. not everything goes in a straight line. we'll be better off without gadhafi and it sends a signal to others in syria, too. our place as americans is on the side of the protest es in the arab world. >> so, what do we do with syria? >> i hope the protesters are able to be successful and we should lend the president's moral authority. his speech the other night when he talk ed about the arabs, he should have closed with the
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statement ta united states stands on the side of the syrian protesters. it's what reagan did. and reagan inspired people to become free because he had the courage to say and when the people in soviet disdense heard that, they knew they would be succe successful. we should be sending that signal, too. >> thanks very much. >> keep the tweets up. he has another. it says, timing in libya is like a manager bringing in his closer, when he falls behind 10-3. booking these things. >> you get more characters. >> our next guest is one of four journalists abused by troops in libya. also, the big jobs report is due out in minutes. plus, we're going to bring in
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there will be no american boots on the ground in libya. deposing the gadhafi regime as welcome as that would be, is not part of the military mission.
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in my view, the removal of colonel gadhafi will likely be achieved over time drk. >> nobody's under estimating the scope of the challenge before us. gadhafi still possesses military capability. he still denies his own people food, water, electricity and shelter and has made no secret of the fact that he will kill as many as he must to crush the rebellion. >> great news. no boots on the ground. >> great. what do you figure the cia agents on the ground are wear i ing? >> sandals, tasz led loafers, but no boots. special ops guys must be wearing crocs. they breathe. >> now, to this side of the story, on march 15th, four new
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york times journalists and their driver drove into a check point in libya and were arrested by gadhafi's soldiers. after six days of captivity, libya finally released the reporters with the help of turkey's ambassador. among the rescued was anthony shadid, who's here with us onset. last week, they wrote about their ordeal "the new york times." in part, it read this -- and the story goes on and anthony, thank you very much to -- for coming in and telling
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it to us. so, take us through what happened. you talk about the abuse that your team went through. at what point did you have any sense that you were going to make it through this? >> i think that first day was the most difficult and especially the moment you described where we were told to lay flat on the ground. i think all four of us thought that was the end, that all four of us were going to soon have a bullet to the head, to be blunt. the one man did say shoot them and it felt like a minute to me that elapsed, but it was probably just a matter of seconds, you can't, they're americans. i kind of dwelled on that a little bit, why that would have saved us. the only thing i gathered is that we were somehow worth something to them. i speak arabic and was reluctant to speak fluently as i was
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laying there because i think i would have endangered my life. >> the death threats did go on though. >> that first day and night was absolutely the most harrowing. there were gun battles that went on, that erupted every couple of hours. we kind of barrelled out of the car and laid on the ground. we were put into a tank and then paraded basically across libya in the back of a truck, blindfolded and handcuffed. at each check point, people shouted abuse as it. to me, one of the more disturbing moments was getting interrogated by our captors. he was asking me in arabic, who you are, where did you come from and as the interrogation ended, i realized he had no idea. i went back to the jail cell and thought, no one knows where we are.
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>> what was going through your mind? >> that it was going to be a hong wait. after that first day, i figured as long as we were in the hands of the state, we weren't going to be killed. >> did you know you were in the hands of the state? >> after the jail cell. it took another day to get into the defense ministry's hands and at that point, treatment did get better. >> in the beginning though, the first couple of days, you didn't know who's holding you. we hear stories of journalists detained in afghanistan and one of the frightening things, you almost want them, you want there to be this centralized organization, but it's just anarchy. so, did you think it was just anarchy? you had been scooped up and somebody was going to kill you and dump you on the road? >> people were referring to the doctor. this was one of gadhafi's sons. it felt like we were in the hands of his militia, basically.
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i thought that was a good thing. sure didn't feel that way on the ground. you're right. we were hoping at every step, that we delivered into something that resembled the state. >> did they sense a moment they realized who they had? that you were with "the new york times" and this was broadcast around the world. >> when we got to tripoli, before we were loaded on to the military plane, it was some of the worst treatment. i was hit in the head by the butt of a gun. we were slapped around. again, you have these gentle moments. as we were strapped into the airplane, the crew came up to us and one guy said, i'm sorry, i'm sorry. said it in english repeatedly. when we landed in tripoli -- >> who was apologizing?
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>> we were blindfolded, so it's tough to identify these people, but i think the ground crew was pretty vicious, but once we took off, it was a different group of people. an arab crew. to each of us. one guy came up and said, i'm sorry. he undid or hands and legs. >> do you know they knew who you were? >> no, i think they were just shocked that we were being beat the way we were. it was not acceptable to them at least. >> can you talk a little about the opposition? how organized, how formidable it is? >> as a reporter covering this, the days before we were captured, it did strike me, even this term opposition may overstate what's goin on. it's pretty chaotic. pretty lead erless although it' trying to rectify that. the rebels themselves, even to call it a rag tag army overstates what they are.
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a bunch of guys in pick up trucks who pretty much barrel backwards when they meet formidable force. >> the question we're having is whether the united states should harm these rebels. in your estimation, what happens or how long do the rebels last without the arms they need? >> you know, it's nice being a journalist because you don't have to recommend policy or anything, but as americans, we have to think very long and hard over what american intervention represents in the arab world. it has gone well. i think libya could be another case of that. i think what we're in store for is a long, messy conflict as the country cops to reckoning. >> when are you going back to beirut? >> probably next week or ten days or so. >> how long have you been there? >> about ten years. >> remember a couple of years ago, can't believe i forgot her
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name, wrote the book on basically the arab spring. any way. i'm kicking -- wright. robin wright. remember, she wrote that hopeful book about how democracy could spring forth. and i thought it was very hopeful. we had her on and i said, god, let's hope this happens. t skeptics were saying she was out of her mind. can you believe two years later, sitting in beirut, in sierra -- all across the middle east. >> it is utterly breathtaking. in the past three, four month, more has happened than iraq. >> it's unbelievable. and just north of you in jordan and of course what's happened in egypt. what's happening in bahrain. >> it's a new arab world. >> i'm sorry, i know we've got to go. turn the music down for one second because you can answer
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this better than anybody that's been on air. why didn't we see a lot of american flags burning in egypt? why are people in libya wrapping themselves in american flags? is there a new transition in the arab world, the post '79 arab world? >> that's a great way to put it. it's a story of egypt. that was powerfully -- that was enunciated every step of the way. it was a story about themselves and what country they wanted to create. that's something you hadn't seen. >> hating america, not about hating israel. it was about hating egypt. >> all right. anthony shadid, thank you so much. best of luck to you as you return to beirut and then on to other travels. the monthly jobs r report, next, with erin burnett.
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breaking news on the jobs market. let's go to erin burnett. what's it looking like? >> it's actually, this is what i think headlines are going to say is a really decisive line in the sand r for the labor market. we're now at a two-year low for the unemployment late, it went down to 8.9. since november, the rate has dropped by the full pount. that is very quick. no other way to look at it. that is significant improvement in terms of jobs added.
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the overall number, 230,000 in the private sector. job losses in the government. 216,000 added. solid number. >> great news. we're cutting government jobs and yet, the unemployment rate still goes down. >> a lot of people could say as the market gets stronger, the rate could go up. that may happen, but history would show once the rate starts dropping as quickly as it is, it will continue to drop. you start seeing this number drop from 8.8, that becomes very significant for this president. >> what are you doing today on your show? >> we're going to be talking about the whole issue of ceo compensation versus regular compensation and we'll see what arguments there are on both sides. they'll say look, we're not back to where we were paid at the
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when i look at uab and bcu at the expense of some other teams, we're not talking about great teams here, i understand that, but i wonder whether some on the committee know whether the ball's round. that sounds harsh, but i'm wondering. these were bad decisions. >> defensible. >> and you know, jay has not gotten tired of hearing that the past two weeks. >> in fact, he asked us to play something, it was digger. the mean spirited, hateful digger phelps that insisted we
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play that. >> we are down to the final four in the ncaa tournament. tomorrow, it's butler and bcu and kentucky and uconn to earn a spot in monday's game. here to break down the games, digger phelps in bristol, connecticut and jay bill isis in houston. >> jay's a lawyer, so he knew all the legal terms to use as far as whether or not if the committee knew if the basketball was round. >> jay, let's explain to the "morning joe" audience what you had to say that day about bcu perhaps not being worthy of being in this tournament and now, here they are in the final four. >> the argument was based upon the regular-season. the performance of not only bcu, but uab in the regular-season. the other teams had done more in the regular-season and accomplished more and should
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have been in first. what you didn't play there and i don't blame you, i said, listen, these guys can win games in the tournament. didn't think they were going to get to the final four, but once the tournament started and they got in, they have played at a much higher level than they did in the regular-season and it's been a the most remarkable run in the tournament's history. never seen anything like it. >> it really has been. jay was making an objective analysis. >> i'm serious. alabama, who is undefeated at home this year, i was say the same thing. alabama should have been in the tournament. >> what an unbelievable run behind their 33-year-old head coach. >> it's amazing because they were 5-6 their last 11 games. joe's right about alabama. they finished 12-4. won the west. beat kentucky and tennessee,
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went 4-2 against the east teams. they can really guard you. when you look at what hey did to kansas. they were just out of sync. we look at jamey king, the big kid inside. he had 26 points and ten rebounds. that will be an issue for butler because i don't know if smith can guard him for how minutes, which will force matt howard staying out of foul trouble. that's going to be a key match-up. >> jay, let me ask you this. let's just be blount about it. i know bcu's a cinderella story, but have you seen as bad playing between kansas and bcu? that was pathetic. and management may have been the worst, seriously, i have seen since fourth grade when my coach showed up drunk. >> but at least they know the ball's round. >> the ball's round. >> kansas did not play well. there's no question about that.
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kansas is the better team. if they played ten times, kansas would probably win seven or eight out of the ten. bcu has shot the ball extremely well. 36% from three point range in the regular-season. in the tournament, 44%. regular-season, the most threes they made was 11. they did that twice. in the tournament, they've made 12 three times. their field goal percentage was ranked 250th. overall defense, 106th, and they've been arguably the best defensive team in this tu tourname tournament. kansas played poorly, but bcu was a big part of that. >> kansas was horrific. my parents both went to kentucky and i'll tell you, this kentucky team has shown all of us
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something, against ohio state then against unc. this is a tough, scrappy team. >> they've got a great point guard in brandon knight, the freshman, but the other, kimba walker. >> he averaged about 30 plus over there when connecticut won it and they knocked off kentucky over there. you go back and look at that game, kentucky played hardly in the first half. connecticut shot 60% and up 50-29. that's not going to happen in this game. he's brought them along, winning five games in the big east as well as getting them now to the final four. in the four tournament games, he's accounted for 176 of their 289 points. that's 61% of his offense because his scoring and assists, so that's going to be a tough job.
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do you double-team him and let the other guys beat you or play him one-on-one? he's got two ways, but the guy for kentucky, you could talk about knight, who went 3 for 15, he won't do that. josh haralson's been the go-to guy. the big guy inside. he had no points. he played about 25 minutes. since that time, in the tournament in four games, he's got 59 points, 36 rebounds. that will be a match-up with alex at connecticut to see who dominated points in the paint and controls the boards. >> jay, he has been a force on the inside. i could not believe how much he dominated ohio state. >> yeah, he has, he played to a draw and he looks like a truck driver, but the kid can absolutely play. he has been as underrated a player as there's bmpb in this tournament. >> your picks.
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jay, who do you like both games then to win it all? >> i picked connecticut to make it to the final four before the tournament and i'm going to stick with it. i think it will be connecticut against butler, but the other game is going to be a great game and i think connecticut will wind up cutting it down. >> digger? >> i'm going with bcu. i love their defense. they've beaten five major power conferences, but i think kentucky, this is a payback game. kentucky wins it all. >> what do you think, willie? >> i like walker all the way to the tournament. >> tell chris maybe next year, we can teach syracuse how to shoot free throws. >> i think kentucky's going to beat uconn. >> i love uconn. >> before we go, do we have pictures of jay bilas in shorts?
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richard simmons. at number three, airplane safety in dolphin shorts. >> these lights lead you to the exit. come on, everyone, let's pony. >> the man who taught us to sweat to the old dis is not instructing passengers on air new zealand to assume the crash position. >> this is one of my favorites. it's called the duck. flat feet, elbows outside your sides, and duck on down. >> in a departure from the stale safety that everyone now ignores before firing off an e-mail or ordering a set of garden gnomes, he bedazzled tank tops and shorts to grab the attention of the traveling public. >> this flight is nonsmoking. it's a safety hazard. so, the captain says, let's kick butt! >> richard simmons, the new face and old thighs of commercial
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airline safety. >> stretch and slide, yeah! >> number two, dui has a way of life. >> these laws are not doing our small businesses in our state any good. >> montana state congressman alan hail took the bad position that dui laws are bad in big sky countries. >> these bars connect people together. they're the center of the communities. >> despite the rousing speech on the floor, the tough new dui laws passed in montana, leaving him nostalgic for a simpler and drunger time. >> they're destroying a way of life in montana for years and years. >> and the number one story of the week. >> i refuse to wait for the imannals of slaughter and mass graves. >> sorry, not war. what are we calling this again? >> obviously, it's military
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action. >> military action was at least an improvement on the term the president had been using. >> he called this military action in libya a turd sandwich. >> which brings us to our continuing coverage. >> if this is not a war, then why may we ask were the anchor in libya holding ak 47s while doing traffic and weather together. >> i'm ready at any time to defend the country. >> with questions about what we're doing in libya and who we're backing there, president obama confessed that this little war -- >> it's military action. >> my bad, man. the president confessed this military action will not be a stroll in the desert. >> it's going to be a bumpy ride. >> a bumpy ride for which the united states had better buckle its seat belts. isn't that right, richard simmons. >> buckle it in, grab, click, pull. grab, click, pull.
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