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trial of tears. casey anthony heads back to courts. what to expect after days of emotional testimony. back to the compound. cia agents return to the spot where osama bin laden was killed. what have they uncovered so far? last stop. president obama ends his trip with a stop in poland. a look at what he accomplished on this trip. destination unknown. sarah palin gets ready for a bus tour. where is she really headed? good morning, everyone, i'm alex witt. welcome to msnbc saturday, it's 8:00 on the east coast, 5:00 a.m. out west. we have developing news. any minute now the president will hold a joint press conference with polish prime minister donald tusk. the last of the six-day european
trip. earlier he met with the president of poland and discussed the close ties between the two nations. >> i think the relationship between our countries has never been stronger. i am very proud to come here in order to say thank you to the polish people for their friendship. >> kristen welker is joining me from warsaw. good morning. >> reporter: president obama is meeting with the polish president and prime minister in warsaw today. one of the main themes of these discussions, the strong ties between the united states and poleonds. another main topic of conversation, the arab spring. president obama is hoping that poland which has demised itself cana -- democratized itself is help those areas in the middle east. the arab spring a big topic at the g-8 summit in france this week. leaders expressing their strong support for those pro-democracy movements, and also announcing
that international investment banks will be looking to provide aid to some countries, particularly tunisia and egypt. another topic, libya. the united states and allies reiterating calls for gadhafi to relinquish his power there. somethingly, russian president -- interestingly, shoot president medvedev half critical of the military efforts in libya. he is saying that he could serve as a mediator, using his contacts with gadhafi's government and those rebel forces to try and bring an end to the conflict in libya. the president heads home saturday evening. on sunday he travels to joplin, missouri, to survey the tornado-damaged area and also to extend his condolences to the victims. he will attend a memorial service for the victims there. in warsaw, kristen welker, nbc news. >> thank you. we continue to watch the scene in warsaw. the president is getting ready for the joint news conference with poland's prime minister. as soon as the president begins
speaking, we'll bring it to you live. no break from the testimony in the casey anthony murder trial in orlando. there's a half a day of testimony scheduled today and every saturday to move the case along. we'll go live to orlando. and kerry sanders. with another good morning to you, the session follows some pretty emotional testimony yesterday, right? >> reporter: indeed. this is day five of what's expected to be a two-month-long trial. but as you said, testimony on friday was explosive. casey anthony stands accused of murdering her 2-year-old daughter, caylee. prosecutors say the single mother killed her daughter so she could enjoy the carefree hear of a party girl. on friday, the testimony from one prosecution witness ba backfired in gripping fashion. >> casey and caylee had a very -- a very special bond. >> reporter: mallory parker, casey's brother's fiance.
said the only thing she saw in casey was a doting, loving mother. >> did she ever appear neglected to you? >> no. >> did you ever see casey strike or torture or punish caylee in any harmful way? >> no, sir. >> and the best way that you can describe their relationship would be amazing? >> amazing. >> reporter: but that testimony of a mother's love for her daughter was in sharp contrast to video after video after video. in all, 11 recordings of casey on the day and in the days following her daughter's death. seemingly living life as if nothing was wrong. on a shopping spree at places like target, ikea, and winn-dixie. casey's lawyers have accepted the tapes for what they are. >> the parties have agreed to this fact, and it should be considered as true. >> what remains at issue is casey's car, illegally parked and taken to a tow yard. the tow yard operator says when
he approached the car, it had the unique odor of a decomposing body. >> the instant flash in my mind was, ooh, you know, i know what that smells like. >> reporter: later, casey anthony's father george approached the car. >> that particular smell whenever you smell it, it's something you never forget. >> reporter: a former law enforcement officer, george had come to claim the vehicle. now, having not seen his daughter for 23 days and having not seen his granddaughter for 31 days, he says he feared what he was about to discover. >> i don't know if i said it in a high whisper or low-toned voice. but i said, please, god, don't let this be casey or caylee. >> reporter: there was no body. the trunk was empty. but for a bag of garbage. but this is critical to the prosecution's murder charge. they need to show that caylee's body had been in that car because that car is casey's car,
and it links casey to what they say is the alleged murder of her 2-year-old child. alex? >> okay. kerry, that odor, it's described so specifically, but without the body having been there, is that going to be a point of contention? or is it -- is there a presumption that there was a body in that car? >> reporter: it says going to be long and drawn out. first there's going to be continued testimony from george. then cindy anthony is going to give testimony. that's casey's mother. she made a 911 call, and the quote is, you know, "it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car." that is going to come back to haunt casey. that is a very powerful statement. the prosecution has scientific evidence, some which has never been entered into in a courtroom in the united states. it's considered questionable science. in fact, the defense calls it science fiction. and then well are these cans that were sealed with some
swatches of carpet taken from the trunk. and the prosecution said in their early jury selection, they'd like to crack open those cans and pass them around so the jurors can smell it and come to their own conclusions. highly unlikely the judge is going to let that happen because he says that would turn the jurors into witnesses themselves, which is not their role. but you can see the effort and the intention placed on getting proof that little caylee's body was in that car. >> okay. kerry sanders, many thanks. showers and thunderstorms are making their way to joplin, missouri, like they need that, right? rescue workers are racing against time to find 156 people still missing after the deadly tornado. nbc's charles hood lo-- charles hadlock is live in joplin. tell us about the weather forecast today. >> reporter: well, we're seeing clear skies to the south, but to the north you can see the back
end of some thunderstorms that are moving across kansas and into missouri. they're moving off to the west. there's a slight threat of thunderstorms later today. but it's going to give enough sunshine today for people to get pack out and start collecting their belongings from the piling of debris that is now joplin, missouri. the president will be here tomorrow. he's going to attend a memorial service. he'll also tour some of the damaged areas and talk with some of the victims here to provide comfort to the people here who desperately need aid in the form of the federal government coming in. and that has happened. the small business administration has set up shop here, giving small business loans. and companies have come to the aid, too. home depot which had its store smashed to bits and several people died inside including some of the workers, home depot had management on site this week saying that we will rebuild this store. they also offered the city of
joplin $1 million to help the city rebuild. walmart says it's coming back. they need these type of companies here because it provides jobs. and it provides stability. something that joplin desperately needs right now. alex? >> yeah. i tell you, when you look at all of the damage and destruction, i'm rendered speechless. like where do people begin. i'm glad those companies are going to stick with the people there in jp lyn-- in joplin. for more on the search for survivors and plans to rebuild, you may head to msnbc.com. in vermont, more rain today after major flooding there this week. many roads are under water in the state's capital. in some areas the pavement has buckled, leaving cars trapped. over 200 people so far have been forced out of their homes due to the flooding. here to tell us what to expect, the weather channel's chris warren. chris, this question -- where are some of the potential trouble spots? >> there are a few areas we're keeping a close eye on for this saturday. early on we'll be looking to the middle of the country, kansas
and missouri. we're seeing storms fire up. some storms could be severe with large hail, possibly damaging winds, even an isolated tornado. also along the east coast, look at this. this is a look at where we're expecting rain over the next couple of days. the cell oh indicating some of the heaviest rain. now these thunderstorms as they develop will dump a lot of rain. the northeast, we are expecting to see thunderstorms. the best chance for thunderstorms, however, will be away from the coast. even at that they'll be scattered about. a hit-and-miss situation. more isolated, closer to the coast. for the rest of the country, it's going to stay cool and unsettled to the north. southern tier will be hot. eventually seeing a fair amount of sunshine. that is the same story as we head into sunday. while part of the country including the plains will be seeing more silver springlike weather, to the south we're going to see the summer weather. in the west still dealing with weather that is more like winter with still a lot of snow in the mountains. putting a damper on a lot of people's camping trips this weekend. >> okay. chris warren, thank you for the
update. with most of the u.s. returning to summer-like conditions this holiday weekend, many are taking advantage of the nice weather with a trip to the beach including melissa brainy joining us from wildwood, new jersey. with a good saturday to you, marisa. we heard the party started early yesterday in wildwood. can you see evidence of that this morning? >> reporter: yeah, i think people had a pretty good time here, alex. and people are already out enjoying this beautiful summer day. i say summer, it's the unofficial start. the boardwalk's already getting busy. we've seen a few bikers, runners, people getting out to enjoy the sunshine. it's supposed to be in the 80s today. and we do see one or two people venturing for a walk along the water. sitting in beach chairs, taking in all that the jersey shore has to offer. of course the beaches here aren't just about fun, they're also about big business. the tourism division here in the state tells us that tourism in
new jersey brings in about $35 billion a year. things are looking optimistic for the season. people have been booking hotels and booking early. so a very busy weekend expected here in north wildwood. as well as several of the other wonderful shore towns. wonderful up and down the new jersey coast. that's the latest here from wildwood. back to you. >> i've got to ask your opinion because you may have seen that wildwood, new jersey, was voted the best of all the great beaches you refer to in new jersey. what is it about wildwood that makes it so fabulous? i'm going to say for my taste -- see that roller coaster behind you, i'm looking at that. i'd be all over that thing. what is it? >> reporter: right, yeah. that's right. all of the thrillseekers gravitate toward here because there's a lot of families. there's roller coasters, rides for little ones, there's a long boardwalk, a wide boardwalk. you can ride your bike, you can walk.
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16 past the hour. we're getting word from the white house that the president and polish prime minister are running a little bit late. we'll be starting in a few minutes. for those of you waiting to catch the president at that joint press conference, it's just probably going to be closer to the end of the hour. in the meantime, we'll talk with cnbc analyst jonathan alter about what to expect from the joint news conference from the polish prime minister and president obama and talk about the trip to poland, what the hopes were, how much was accomplished, and how much the president walked away with what he wanted to get. >> you have to remember that poland has come a tremendous distance in the last quarter century. i think part of what president obama was trying to do today and on this visit was to recognize the great progress that poland
has made, talk about what an influence solidarity was and put that in context. having poleonds join the united states to create democracy worldwide. both with neighbors not making as much progress as poland such as belarus and also in the arab world where poland has been very much a part the coalition of the willing as it's called in recent years when it came to sending some troops to the region. but i think there's also an indication that poland can be helpful in what's sometimes called democracy building or nation building. >> we're expected to get a positive response from the polish prime minister on that front? yeah. i think poland is emerging as a significant ally of the united
states. i think part of what the trip is about is to cement the bilateral relationship between the united states and poland which hasn't gotten publicity in recent years. >> yeah. >> but i think as part of the strategic plan of the united states to build a new europe. >> yeah. as we talk about the middle east, we look at the success of the president's trip from ireland to england to france, meeting with the g-8 leaders, of course, in deauville in the northern coast of france, and now to poland. an interesting development came out of russia. president medvedev says moammar gadhafi's got to go. he's echoing that which the president said some three months ago or so now. >> this is a big deal. it's a continuation of something that has been a quiet and important part of u.s. foreign policy in the last couple of years which is to get russia to
stop being an impediment to the larger interests of the international community. so they -- on several occasions they kept russia from using its veto in the u.n. security council. and in this case getting them to sign on to the allowed policy in libya is very important. all it takes is for russia or china to stand in the way, and it makes the foreign policy of the united states and european union much more complicated. so part of this is just keeping russia from -- from opposing what they're trying to do. and i think they made some real progress on that. look, the trip's been criticized by observers for not having more concrete accomplishments, you know, not having more pieces of paper for everybody to sign. but sometimes what's important in international relations is what doesn't happen. and if the united states and its
allies can keep russia from being an impediment that's a significant accomplishment. >> okay. we'll have you stick around as we await the president and polish prime minister donald tusk as they get to the joint news conference. thanks. speaking of libya, fresh air strikes there on one of moammar gadhafi's homes. we have a live report from tripoli coming up. plus, how much more you're going to have to spend on your holiday cookouts in year. uncer ] look outside. it's grow time.
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it was 2-1 after six hours. just in time for memorial day weekend, big increases in food prices. bottom line, your cookout this weekend's going to cost you. here to tell us why, more than financial analyst vera gibbons. good morning to you. >> good morning, alex. >> why? how come it cost more? >> 29% more this year. it's a lot. >> 29 snfrt. >> 29% --%? >> 29%. that's $45 for a group of 12. here's why -- we're up again the highest rate of food inflation that we've seen in years. you have grocers passing costs to the consumer. if you look, corn, it was 20 cents an ear last year. 50 cents an ear this year because of the big ethanol push and biofuel production and stuff. beefsteak tomatoes, an increase of 86% because of the weather issues. so everything's up. hamburger, hot dogs. >> how about beverages? drinks, too? >> this does include coffee but does not take into consideration the beer, the wine, the alcohol,
the soda, all of that. that definitely does add up. big weekend for beer sales. nick, our producer, surely knows. >> i think he has some in the booth right now. >> not as big as the 4th of july. 4th of july, 64 million cases. memorial day not far behind with 61 million cases of beer sold. you know, it might be higher because the weather's hot in any number of places. >> we've talked about gas already today. the gas prices. getting to and from your cookout, that's something, too. >> prices down 18 cents from the peak we set on may 11. but they're still over a gallon more. propane costs, not included, too. that's 20% more, as well. >> do you think this will put a damper on the summer fun? >> i don't think so. we're still going to have fun. i'm still going to have fun. i think people may make substitutes, lemonade instead of sewed agenerics, macaroni salad instead of potato salad. >> wear the same bathing suit from last year. if you have to get to a bathing suit at all.
>> try to avoid that. >> stop. i know you will this weekend. enjoy that. thank you very much. on the heels of that and while we're taking a more serious turn, we're going to poland where we're told the polish prime minister, donald tusk, is speaking. president obama is there, as well, he'll be speaking at a joint news conference. there he is. let's take a listen. >> we have gone through difficult, critical years. and in the global dimension with the fate in our own power. our strength and the enthusiasm that allow us to overcome the difficulties is also the effect of our cooperation. you americans have invested in poland. you have invested all in the whole region with lots of your enthusiasm some money to some other types of assistance. and it really works. it's needed to create the great solidarity movement in poland, it was needed to win enthusiasm and freedom. we had nothing else in 1989.
people with the enthusiasm and freedom are enough when you have friends. you have invested in the region, and it work. we talked to others about the price fund. that would result in poland. but the investment toward -- actually the investment in freedom and relative prosperity for 100 million people. today we are speaking about eastern partnership, we are speak being our cooperation that could help those nations and people in the tlaj are waiting for their chance, their opportunity and their freedom. mr. president, i want to see what we --s to what we say in poland quite often, "it works." when people have enthusiasm and there is freedom, then it really works. and the fact that poland can speak with so much pride about ourselves on the eve of the presidency in the european union, that we are also able to show to europe how to manage, how to operate also under the conditions of the financial crisis, it was possible amongst
others thanks to the fact that we together have invested in our future with so much enthusiasm. i want to tell you, and this is what was declared during our conversation, that our experience, this certainty that it worked, can be translated and we can translate this. and we do this when we think about those nations whose leaders you met yesterday. but also those who were waiting for freedom and democracy for even longer. i am speaking here about the region of north africa and some of the countries of the middle east. i'm really very happy that together we were able to accept this ambitious product so that the experience resulting from enterprise fund and other experience experiences polls and americans could implement together, those waiting for such assistance. i would also like to thank you very much for understanding and your kind approach to the idea of another state of of
cooperation and the innovation fund. this idea came into beg during our conversation. there will be followup of the innovation, here in poland we'll give the results in the form of technologies and human intellectual capital. we have been already operating in this area. we have been spending dozens of millions for education of the most skillful manager at american universities. people of technical skills. i think it will also bring results for the future. we have reconfirmed our solidari solidarity. also in the context of joint operations in the most difficult places of the world. we spoke about afghanistan. for polish security, it is important that the memorial ran document the presence of the american detachment in poland is systematically gradually becoming a fact of life. and i have to thank you very much for your readiness to finalize the project. and shale gas, for obvious reason it was -- was the subject
of important talks and nuclear power. we agreed with president obama that these undertakings are really an excellent area for the polish american cooperation. and i am sure that it will bring good results to the polish people, american people, it will be both a joint business and joint common security. tell also be obvious to the united europe. this cooperation that will also give to europe more stability in terms of energy. i would like to thank you once again, mr. president, and while your visit is another help because of your enthusiasm and your ability in the future is proverbial in the world. and we feel that you are one of us. thanks to the fact that we believe strongly in our own strength and our future. thank you. >> thank you very much, mr. prime minister. once again, i just want to thank you and the people of poland for the extraordinary welcome that
i've received since i arrived. and i have to tell you that my wife michelle and the girls very much want to come back because i've told them on the phone what an extraordinary country this is. you're right. in some ways i'm part of poland because i come from chicago. if you live this chicago and haven't become a little polish, then something's wrong with you. you know, poleonds is one of our strong -- poland is one of our strongest and closest allies in the world and is a leader in europe. and i believe that poland's story demonstrates how an extraordinary people can overcome object stack else and build a democracy that demonstrates the great strength and character of this nation
serving as an example for europe and the world. during the conversations, we reaffirmed the strength of our alliance. our alliance is rooted in shared history, shared values, deep ties among our people. our alliance is cemented through nato and the ironclad commitment that it represents. our alliance is also rooted in shared interests, and we -- during our lunch, we reviewed a wide range of issues. i wanted to congratulate poland on behalf of the incredible milestone of apolice chiefing the milestone of -- achieving the milestone of european union. this is the first role since joining the e.u. and speaks to the progress that poland has made politically and economically during this period of time. we look forward to working closely with poland as it assumes these new
responsibilities. along those lines we are interested and excited about poland's plans for the eastern partnership as a priority of its e.u. presidency. and i understand that it will host a summit this fall to raise awareness and support for eastern europe and the south caucuses. and the meeting i had was part of the meeting to shape vision for the union and offers prosperity if to see people. and obviously one of the important roles that poland can play is not just as a promoter of ideas but is a living example of what is possible when countries take reform seriously. we're also aiming to expand our economic bilateral relationship with poland as the prime minister mentioned. poland's economy was the only economy in the e.u. not to fall into recession during the
economic crisis. and has enormous potential for economic growth. as a consequence if their fall we will hold a high-level u.s.-poland round table which brings together private and public sector leaders to promote ideas to boost economic growth and the idea that was raised by the prime minister about a potential innovation fund that is a part of this fall sum. i think it's an excellent idea so we're going to pursue that actively. we also discusses ed the potential to cooperate on a wide range of clean energy initiatives including how we can in an environmentally sound way develop natural gas in both the united states and poland and how we can cooperate on the technology and science around
that. the united states is fully committed to promoting safe nuclear power generation in poland. we're prepared to offer our expert tees of the largest and safest nuclear power industry in the world. finally we discussed the issue of how we can jointly promote democracy. the session i had with democracy experts, including many of the founders of solidarity, who recently traveled to tunisia to share their advice and assistance is just a symbol of why poland is so important. it has gone through what many have gone through and has done so successfully. the united states wants to work with poland, and we welcome their leadership in reaching out to north africa and the middle east. at the same time as prime minister tusk mentioned, here in this neighborhood we still have
challenges. we discussed in particular the unacceptable situation in belarus. president lukashenka has shown a total disregard for democratic values, the rule of law, and the human rights of his own people. his brutal crackdown included the conviction and sentencing of presidential candidates who challenged him in the presidential election. and the repression and imprisonment of member of the free press including one of the polish press. so since this crack down has begun the united states and poland have come together unilaterally. we appreciate poland's strong support of the civil society and generosity to its people. we are looking for -- ford strong cooperation on this front. last point i will make is we
discussed our prospective relationships with russia. and i am a strong believer that the reset between the united states and russia has defendant ed -- has benefitted this region as well as the united states and russia. there's been genuine dialogue about how each country can move forward. we appreciate poland's pragmatic approach to their relationship with russia. i applaud the prime minister for his determination to continue these efforts even if it is not always the most politically popular thing to do. we also believe that we cannot compromise on our most cherished principles and ideals, but we should also seek to cooperate where we can. for example, in areas like counterterrorism, counternarcotics, the spread of nuclear weapons and materials
and the support of joint operations in afghanistan. so this has been an excellent visit, it's fitting that i conclude my trip here in poland. at each stop i've affirmed the fact that america's transatlantic alliance is the cornerstone of our engagement in the world. it's indispensable to the peace and prosperity of the world. helps to uphold the principles of rule of law and individual liberty around the world. and i think that poland is a leader on all these goals. congratulations, mr. prime minister and to the people, thank you very much for your incredible hospitality. thank you. thank you. >> thank you very much, and now i would like to ask questions from the polish press agency. >> good afternoon. we know that the american administration plans to
liberalize the visa system for the polish people. what are the ideas? when can they come into force? in other words, when people of poland will be able to do shopping at 5 8th in -- 58th in new york. and what about the relationship between poland and america and america and the european union? and my last question is but talk about political repressions in belarus? amidst others, the arrest of two people. >> i'm going to try to remember all those questions. with respect to the visa issue, this was a topic that was brought up by your president when he visited the white house, and i promised at that time that we would begin to try to find a
solution. the problem has to too with the existing law that had a specific criteria for who gets a waiver in the visa system and that was based on the rejection rate of visas. poland didn't qualify under that law. and i could not simply waive the law. but what i've now done is put my support behind legislation in congress that would change the criteria so that we're looking at the overstay rate of visas. and our expectation is that by this change in the law, we can be in a position to resolve this issue in a way that is satisfactory to poland but also meets the security concerns of the united states. we very much want you to shop on
58th and anywhere else in the united states. with respect to -- i've forgotten the other questions. there was belarus -- as i mentioned earlier, we had an extended discussion about shale gas and nuclear power. i think the prime minister and i both believe that t important for us to diversify our energy sourc sources. the united states doesn't want to be energy dependent on anybody, and will poland doesn't want to be energy dependent on anybody. what that means is there have to be a broad set of energy approaches. shale gas is an important
opportuni opportunity. it has to be developed in an environmentally secure and sensitive way. we believe that there is the capacity technologically to elk tract that gas in a way that is entirely safe, and what we want to do is to be able to share our expertise and technology with poland in a fully transparent and accountable way because we think that consumers, environmentalist, everybody should be able to look at the data and say this is something that can actually work. with respect to nuclear power, we have to do it in a way that is safe and secure. all of russ mi-- all of us are respectful of what happened in upon japan. we have a track record in the united states of developing nuclear power that is safe and secure. and we are happy to consult with the polish government and have our companies consult with the polish government in terms of
how to approach that. that does not eliminate the need for us in both countries and all around the world to continue to develop other clean energy sources like solar, like wind, biomass, and we are putting a lot of basic research dollars into this clean energy space because we think it's going to be important not only for our individual countries but for dealing with greenhouse gases and climb change. -- climate change. the final point with respect to belarus, we had, as i indicated, a very extensive conversation. i am familiar with the case of the journalists that you mentioned. and we agreed that we have to apply as much pressure as we can on belarus to change its practices. that's going to require close coordination between the united states poland but also between the united states and all of europe. and i think poland is uniquely
situated during its presidency to be able to show extraordinary lou piniella this issue. >> translator: one phrase only. as far as belarus i stated with satisfaction that in our views we are 100% aligned. there is no future for such dictatorships as the one was represented by lukashenka in belarus. both the united states and poland will be ambitiously setting forth a trail or just a road for conduct for the international community so that the belarussian people do not have to pay too long a price and for too long a period. i also informed president obama about our interpretation of the
events in the belarussian economy. talking about the victims of the regime including our journalists, whether our journalists or your journalists and our colleague. already the president and i informed president obama about this particularly polish problem. talking about a visa wafer and 58th. what should be important in poland is that more and more polish people make enough money to be able to afford shopping on fifth avenue. and it mean that it is in the interests of the united states to make sure that as many polish people as possible could get not a chance at shops in fifth avenue but in shops all over the united states in the easiest way because this is business for both parties. i want to almost say, mr. president, that there are many other places in the world where
you can buy things and where you can spend your money. i'm very glad that there are clear signs and your personal engagement, mr. president. and this most probably also allow american people to make more money on polish tourists and polish buyers. talking about energy securiti, this is a breakthrough moment. i'm not talking about our conversation here, but it is reconfirmation of the fact that we are approaching or that we are participants of the energetic breakthrough. it's not really joking anymore or kidding. we are speaking about the chronological cooperation, talking about joint investments. and we are talking about political cooperation of the two nations out of which one is an sblud leader in the area of -- an absolute leader in the area of technology and the other, poland, turned out to be one in resources. that is why it is with great satisfaction that i received in the word of the united states
that in the united states -- people think seriously about cooperation. we want to combine our ideas about cooperation and technological cooperation with the sectors that will be cooperating in real terms with each other. it's manically about our sector. and -- mainly about our sector. and we want to confirm with the polish party to be fully open in the area of nuclear power. american people will be very valuable partners to us as we come through it with experience and goodwill. >> for the american press corps, scott horsley of national public radio. thank you. mr. prime minister, can you tell me if poland today feels reassured about the u.s. commitment to poland's security, and if coming into this meeting you felt that reassurance was required. and mr. president, you've talked a lot about inspiration. inspiration in northern ireland for the middle east peace process, inspiration in eastern
europe for the arab spring. i wonder if you take home with you also some cautionary lessons about the challenges and the experience here and in northern ireland and what you can do as president to maintain that emers emersonian enthusiasm in the middle of economic austerity between the u.s. and europe? >> translator: these were my first words during the meeting with president obama. i spoke with the security of poland. the security of poland has different dimensions. people every day feel safer and more secure if they do not have to pay too high prices. and this i mention of security will be achieve theed by -- achieved by us when we have
energy independence, thus stability and peace through the world. risk, danger, high living cost. they are born where conflicts are born. while the speculation feeds on unrest and war, that's why there's a mention of security of both poland and the united states requires our cooperation so that we could stabilize the situation in the world, especially in the regions which are really very much suffering from the conflicts. with direct security of poland, i have to tell you it is a very important sign for us to reach an agreement which will be finalized by the signing of the memorandum of understanding. the memorandum that in the future will mean the presence of american troops on the polish soil. the order of magnitude is not really large, but that the gesture is very significant. secondly, we spoke about the
future of the installation, the so-called missile defense. the -- president obama informed public opinion in poland a long time ago. i want to stress strongly that the words that i heard from him today give us this sense that together we work also for the sake, for the purpose of polish security. these words -- that nato is to defend nato. these words are very much binding. binding for all the members of nato. and i also want to thanks for these words. definitely after the meeting with absolutely pure conditions, i can tell you that our cooperation with the united states bilaterally and with nato, becomes a country which is more and more secure. our political cooperation that is from president obama leads us to the point had that perhaps never in the future we will have to use arms in this part of europe.
both of the focus is on political methods of conflict resolution and solving threats. and i believe that this is the best way to guarantee security to poland. but note you have to be cautious and you have to be ensured. that is why we speak about the military aspects of security. >> a point about security. as i said, poland is one of our closest and strongest allies. that's been demonstrated time and again. real what he we did was to reconfirm what the prime minister and i have discussed before. which is that nato is the strongest alliance in history, proimarily because it has -- primarily because it has a very simple principle. that is we defend each other. that's what article 5 is all about. when i came into office, i indicated to all the nato members that there's no such thing as a new nato member or
old nato member, they're just nato members. and everybody's the same, and everybody has the same rights and same responsibilities. as a consequence, one of the things that i initiated was making sure that we have actual contingency plans for each country, including those in eastern europe and central europe that obviously are coming out of a fairly recent history of security issues. now, as the prime minister mentioned, that evolution of our security relationship continues to evolve. the aviation industry is being completed, and our missile defense plans that we have laid out that involve poland will allow us to deal with any shared
throats. and, you know, what we want to do is to create an environment in this region in which peace and security are a given. that's not just good for this region, t good for the -- it is not just good for this region, it is good for the united states of america. and we will always be there for poland. now i wasn't sure because it was such a clever question what exactly cautionary notes you wanted me to address. were you referring to cautionary notes about what's happening around the world? were you talking about cautionary notes and any reflections i have about what's taking place back home? i want to make sure i answer your question. >> in northern ireland, i say the end point in northern ireland and eastern europe is a happy end point. but in terms of the process, the lengths of time, the obstacles, the challenges, the patience that was required.
if there's something you learned on this trip that you take home that maybe gives you some thoughts about how you will approach that as president and maintain the interest in a country where our attention spans are short and our resources are limited. >> i think it's an excellent question, and this has been something that i've been reflecting on throughout this trip. keep in mind what the purpose this trip was from my perspective. in addition to re-establishing a wonderful kwfrgz stroconversati strong friends and allies, i wanted to make sure that everybody in our country and everybody around the world understands that the transatlantic alliance remains a cornerstone for american security. we share ideals, we share values. and we have take own
consistently leadership on some of the toughest challenges that face the world. and part of that leadership has always been the promotion of family and democracy in different -- of freedom and democracy in different regions. i was struck by something that the president of the senate or the head of the senate here in poland mentioned during our democracy forum, that he had lived through three waves of revolutionary transformation in his lifetime. he saw the shift from military rule to democracy in latin america. he saw those changes then take place with incredible speed when the berlin wall came down and the iron curtain was pulled usunder and he is seeing what's happening with north africa and the middle east. and in each of these cases, what
you have is a process that's not always smoothes. there are going to be twists and turns. there are going to be occasions where you take two steps forward and one step back, sometimes you take one step forward and two steps back. what's required, i think, is, number one, understanding that you have to institutionalize this transformation. it's not enough just to have the energy, the initial thrust of young people in tahrir square or the initial enthusiasm of the solidarity movement. that has to be institutionalized and the habits of countries have to change. it's not sufficient to have elections, you have to have a process to establish the rule of law and the respect of the
rights of minorities. and constant vigilance when it comes to freedom of the press and freedom of speech and freedom of religion. and you have to broken a set of ethnic conflict that may arise. and sometimes those may flare into violence. so part of the lesson is that you have to institutionalize change, and that is a hard process and a long process. number two is that countries on the outside cannot impose this change, but we can really help. we can facilitate, we can make a difference. and the testimony of those i've spoken to in poland and as is true when i had conversations about the re